Here is the real face of Kashmiriat for all of you:
“I will advise Kashmiri Pandits not to take a foolish step to return to the Valley. And those leaders who have sympathy with the Pandits’ return, leave Kashmir and stay with them in Jammu,” - Ahsan Dar – Founder Hizbul Mujahideen [ Aug'03-2008 ]
And the pusedo seculars of India still call Kashmir as a role model secular state of India….I pity them.
Just out as usual english media beaming all that happens in Kashmir and no sufferings of Jammu people. Check IBNCNN now for latest live coverage for Kashmiris. Center distributing generously our hard earned money to fruit growers and other anti national elements.
Comment by Srinagar Press Confrence — August 10, 2008 @ 8:39 am
As a devout Indian and a hindu i pledge not to consume any kashmir fruit or product they can send all their produce to their extended family in pakistan.
Har Har Mahadev..!!
Comment by Bycott Kashmiri Goods — August 10, 2008 @ 9:06 am
People let us overrun these wannabe tallybunnies, by the exteme misfortune of these bumbling fools they have suggested the best way to establish peace in valley. All we have to do is to over run these anti national elements through a peaceful relocation of excess populations from othe states! And do not think that whole country is not behind the Jammuites just look at what efforts are being put in by Punjabis, Himachalis and other states!!!! Har Har Mahadev…..
Comment by Firebrand — August 10, 2008 @ 9:53 am
Question : What is it that is driving Islamofasist towards India ? is it only kashmir, or something more ?
Answer : read it yourself
http://archive.muslimuzbekistan.com/eng/islam/2003/01/a28012003.html
Question : does really recent indian serial bombings had to do anything with Islam..
Answer : Yes, it has everything to do with Islam… here is what “Indian Mujahdeen” sent
http://islam-watch.org/JihadiUmmah/Indian-Mujahideen.htm
Comment by PM — August 10, 2008 @ 10:17 am
#Bycott Kashmiri Goods
Why ? if British left and Islamofascist can discuss right of survival of Israel… why can’t we query right of survival of failed state of Pakistan ?
Claim back Pakistan…
Comment by PM — August 10, 2008 @ 10:20 am
Step up the effort. Continue agitation. The whole India is with Jammu.
Comment by Abhi — August 10, 2008 @ 11:45 am
Continue the sangarsh! we all are with you… no more innocent lives should go without purpose. And no one should ever point out at kashmiri pandits.. you have our full support.
Comment by srikanth — August 10, 2008 @ 1:35 pm
new turn from islamofacist ….
http://www.rediff.com/news/2008/aug/10amar5.htm
will india receive Fruits of kashmiriyat — or — Fruit of Islam ?
Comment by PM — August 10, 2008 @ 2:58 pm
Jammu agitation is not just a religious affair. It is the neglect of a part of India which is completely Indian, that has led to this agitation. Government is appeasing the secessionist forces and it is doing it again and again. Muslims from Jammu region are supporting this agitation but leaders like Farooq Abdullah in the NDTV India debate at 8-9 PM on 10th of Aug 08, calls a muslim guy from Jammu a liar, jsut because he said that muslims are supporting this agitation.
The political parties are doing no favour to the country, they are just interested in coming to power and make money.
Let’s not blame Islam, it is the secessionist forces and some political parties which are calling the agitation in Jammu as communal. Let’s remember that we are country of diverse culture and Indianess is far more rock solid than hollow Kashmiriyat.
Comment by Human — August 10, 2008 @ 6:36 pm
There is no secular Muslim- its OXYMORON. ALL MUSLIM COUNTRIES ARE ISLAMIC.
KASHMIRI MUSLIMS ARE MOST FANATIC CREED- WHO ALLOWED DEOBANDI, WAHABI ISLAM TO FLORISH.
ANYWAY, GUESS THEIR BALOON IS NOW PUNCTURED. JAMMUITES HAVE SHOWN WHAT A HINDU UNITY CAN DO.
Sarat Chandra Chatterjee, pre eminent Indian Novelist said in 1920s:
“THE HINDU MUSLIM PROBLEM WILL BE SOLVED IN A DAY WHEN HINDUS UNITE.”
Our Politicians divided Hindus along caste- that has emboldened these jehadis, islamists.
LET BJP GET 400 PLUS SEAT- AND SEE WHAT WE CAN DO IN KASHMIR. By Shiva’s Grace !
Comment by Tathagata Mukherjee — August 11, 2008 @ 1:16 am
people need to be make aware of what is happening… this can’t be done under extreme Arab investment in indian media….
Shavua tov
have a nice week
Comment by PM — August 11, 2008 @ 2:49 am
Root cause analysis
Kashmir problem is a serious problem….. it is not the problem that has started recently. It has existed since Islam first showed its face in Kashmir. And it will also vanish once people understand the basic fundamental problem is not with the people or India or Pakistan or Muslims or Pandits but the problem is with ISLAM. Have u interacted with muslims without islam they are humans and good people, but the moment you add Islam they become Killers in the name of allah. Kashmir my homeland and Birth place is not the only place that has this typical problem…. it is almost any where and every where Muslims are there.
Problem is very clearly within the roots of Islam…. Understand muhammad to understand Islam…. “In allah hu musabrin” god is with the people of patience…… but if the islam is indeed religion of peace that it claims why IS EVERY MILLITANT THE TRUE FOLLOWER OF ISLAM….. Islam teaches them to kill anyone that doesnot beleive in Islam and Allah or muhamad and is not ready to converyt to Islam.
In what way is a kashmiri pandit different…. when it comes to kashmiri muslims they are just being tru muslims who follow quran…….
Islam says:
Love thy neighbour because he will come to your help first……
But if he follows another faith try to convert him to Islam…….
And if he doesnot then Kill him…………
My brothers and sisters learn that if we want to have peace all over the world help our muslim brothers and sisters to overcome the fundamental problems with Islam…. Direct them to …. http://www.faithfreedom.org
Comment by Kuldeep Trisal — August 11, 2008 @ 5:25 am
Read for yourself how people of Jammu are taking their struggle on agains centers appeasement of KASHMIRI MUSLIMS.
I am proud to be a Jammuite
http://www.dailyexcelsior.com/
Comment by Voice Of Jammu — August 11, 2008 @ 6:50 am
Hey i just checked
http://www.dailyexcelsior.com/
Do you see people with tricolor in their hands and not BJP or Congress flags this is some thing not seen or captured any where in India after 1947 since we achieved freedom.
I must say the atmosplere is what i have heard in stories when India was fighting for freedom struggle… March On March On Jammu people nation is with you fight for your rights and our land.
Comment by Visitor — August 11, 2008 @ 6:56 am
The latent uprising in the Jammu, at ab-initio, instigated by the clerics of Hindu Police thought, and than left like a rudderless boat merely at the mercy of “too may cooks” shall have to be brazenly and unequivocally abhorred. It isn’t, definitely, adding laurels to the Secular credentials of India when the people of the same state are creating an Economic blockade against its own brethren. Mere slogans of “Bham Bam Bhole” can’t mesmerize the professional Army of a Secular country in playing truant with their professional duty. When the dual control of Authority is created in any entity, the same is liable to go astray and the result of creating two high courts, two universities, two NIIT’s, Two Chief Engineers, Two directors, etc, etc in the same state has already sown the seeds of bifurcation. Be ready to have third high court in Leh and the fourth will follow the suit in Kargil.
Are not the main stream politicians to be blamed for all this fiasco. It is never too late to exhibit the political maturity, least it is too late.
Comment by HAKIM PARVEZ — August 11, 2008 @ 9:41 am
Kuldeep,
This is in with reference to your post which mentions:
In what way is a kashmiri pandit different…. when it comes to kashmiri muslims they are just being tru muslims who follow quran…….
Islam says:
Love thy neighbour because he will come to your help first……
But if he follows another faith try to convert him to Islam…….
And if he doesnot then Kill him…………
Where did you get these quotes from?
Get your facts straight and don’t twist them to suit your own need.
Regards
Comment by ZS — August 11, 2008 @ 10:43 am
Remember the sting operation.. in which CNN-IBN was not wishing to release the tapes ?
tapes are out… to divert Jammu-Kashmir topic out of Media…
Comment by PM — August 11, 2008 @ 3:07 pm
It was 1988 when i was 7 years old… I didnt know anything about Hindu Muslim India Pakistan .. All i knew was that i had a friend Shauqat with whom i used a play cricket.. It was an India Pak match which india lost one evening … Next day, i went with my brother to buy a loaf of bread , the shopkeeper in jawahar nagar said something which i can never forget … He said with a beaming smile , “See you indians lost.. ” .. I could not understand what he meant because i was told we are all indians …
That was just one incident which underlines the real emotions of Kashmiri Muslims .. They have never thought of themselves as Indians .. And all this agitation is just an excuse to re kindle the tired and lost flame …
ALL OF INDIA BELONGS TO ALL INDIANS AND EVERY INCH OF LAND BELONGS TO EVERYONE.. Send all of these kashmiris to POK and seal the border .. let them see how the reality in Pakistan…
Comment by sid — August 11, 2008 @ 9:32 pm
Kashmiris looted India for last 60 years thanks to spineless politicians.
Jammuites have shown the way to call their bluff.
NO MORE PAMPERING. NO MORE LOOTING OF INDIA.
Comment by Tathagata Mukherjee — August 11, 2008 @ 10:18 pm
Kashmiris – jis thale main khate hain, usi main ched karte hain.
They bite the hand that feeds them.
Comment by Tathagata Mukherjee — August 11, 2008 @ 10:19 pm
Hello ZS this is reply to you since i dont know ur name…..and cant guess ur religion……
Please take some time to go through website below……. I havent read the Damm Quran or care a shit about iSLAM…….
Website has all the references to guide you… If u are a muslim.u will have a bundle of knowledge and quotes from Islam itself……..
http://www.faithfreedom.org
If u are from other faith please help make this world better place by letting people know Muhammad is a child molester and sinister. Religion spread by him is good for barbarians.
In which MUSLIM country there are other religions coexisting and what percentage…. who ever in a small minority exists are living under constant fear of ISLAMIC Barbarians rapists and looters…..
Think and save the world From Islam and Terrorists….
Kuldeep trisal
Comment by Kuldeep Trisal — August 12, 2008 @ 1:34 am
#Kuldeep
are we not out-focused here… faithfreedom can’t inform you anything, if you can’t look the entire indian history ….
http://voi.org/books/tlmr/
anyways, majority of indians glorify the Islamic past.. which was full of slavery, plunder, rapping and genocides…. yet i will say, do not consider all Muslims to be source of evil.. though Islam is for sure evil…
One more thing; i said you are out-focused because you are pushing the envelope towards religious conflict; where it should be a ideological conflict…. the demands are not met in such way… rather by countering demands….
let me know, when indian government ask for leasing the land to Shri-Amarnath yatra samiti… how many of us asked to take back any assets from Madarssa’s , pir or Mosques… and rather ask them that they need to lease the space every year ?
sorry but the path u r taking is not countering, rather pointer based which leads to no relevance !
Comment by PM — August 12, 2008 @ 4:24 am
Terrorism is the main blockade to the development of India
And pakistan is the main supporter and developer of terrorism in the World especially in India.
I Request people of Kashmir should understand this properly and you are living in a Heaven.
I don’t know why you people are longing for a Hell like Pakistan.
Comment by ANAND — August 12, 2008 @ 8:25 am
Mr Kuldeep it is not fear to talk abusive towards any relifion and abt the person concerned to it. either you have no knowledge or u r fanatic. Please consult your sacred scluptures and learn abt prophet mohammad (Peace be upon him).
Y u r creating anger and hatred in the hearts of inocent people, when u are not able to spread peace and love. This is the free society and freedom of speech it doesn’t means that u can abuse each others religion.
If u can’t control your anger and are not for and on behalf of humanity then please quit. this place is not for you and the people like you.
don’t impure our brotherhood. and we won’t let any buddy to do so at any cost. this jammu & kashmir is one and we are living each other with peace and prosperity.
we respect and love each others religion. No buddy is comming against any inocent person.
I think u r a political agent that is way u want to showcase your shop for forth comming elections.
For gods sake let us alone we are fine and in good health.
Regards
David
Comment by David — August 12, 2008 @ 9:39 am
#DAVID
referring Kuldeeps stand, as a Hindu I already had commented well; but where are your comments regarding Islamic fanaticism. Which Brotherhood u r praising, the Ummah or Muslim Brotherhood (aka Tablighi Jamaat in Indian subcontinent). and what are you really defending .. Islamic slavery, or genocide all around globe on name of Blood trusty Islamic god ‘Allah’
Coming to scriptures, Rama was against stereotyping(a characteristic totally missing in your demonic Mohammed); this was the reason why Rama hadn’t killed everyone in Lanka, against the fanatic Mohammed and his followers that kill anyone that does not submit next to his supremacist Ideology. In fact Rama’s closest ally was Vibhishan, which shared the same genes, creed as well as family, ravana was from… and after war rama haven’t taken a single coin from lanka, but gave Vibhisan the authority; Mohammed, as well as later 4 caliphs– that repersent Islamic golden age were murdered by fellow Muslims, so that expose itself the golden age myth; Mohammed and freaks survived in booty and slavery, in fact 20% zakat(share of looted money in orignal context) was reserved for Mohammed… with Most ironic is perhaps the death of Mohammed, in which the dog was supposedly poisoned by Aisha (the child wife of Mohammed)…
So do you still Want to speak of scriptures ? one more thing, Kuldeep stand was wrong because he demonize all Muslims, ignoring the fact the most of the Muslims are trapped in evil one-way road of Islam, because if they revert then fanaticals kill them … rather then accepting and standing on equality and freedom of expression, which is the key for fighting supremisim.. he was also throwing the victim Muslims sick of Islam with Barbaric Mohammedians….. so before closing, I want to add that i hadn’t condemned Kuldeep not for his view or courage to speak reality about Islam and Mohammed, but because he got diverted from the real line that is between God-of-Love and God-of-Justice….
Under God-of-Justice Mohammedian’s usually claim that we all are guilty of praying wrong god for example …
http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=maHSOB2RFm4
and under God of love, Moahmmedians are guilty for supporting terrorism, supremism, slavery, genocides and unequality between fellow humans… with countless examples spreaded from Sudan to Malaysia…
so let me come to the attacking point on your God of Justice and his prophet. I don’t feel feared or ashamed speaking truth about Mohammed (May he burn in Hell forever), So lets starts with ABC’s of Mohammed and i Hope that after this you will keep your’s Abuser, Arsonist, Adulterer, Amputator, Assassin, Arrogant, Avenger, Bad, Bandit, Barbarian, Bloodthirsty, Belligerent, Brutal, Briber, Beastly, Bully, Cult leader, Cruel, Callous, Criminal, Carnal, Cheat, Charlatan, Cretin, Coward, Crackpot, Con-artist, Conqueror, Child-Molester, Dangerous, Demoniac, Deranged, Enslaver, Evil, Ethnic cleanser, Filthy, Fool, Fraud, Greedy, Gory, Hatemonger, Highway robber, Heinous, Hypocrite, Homicidal, Immoral, Inhuman, Impotent, Ignorant, Illiterate, Intruder, Insane, Insidious, Jackass, Killer, Kidnapper, Lair, Libertine, Looter, Lecher, Lazy, Lewd, Misogynist, Molester, Monstrous, Megalomaniac, Manic, Mad man, Murderer, Materialistic, Meat-eater, Misanthropic, Mass Murderer, Mafia Don, Narcissist, Opportunistic, Pedophile, Prophet Pretender, Plagiarist, Polygamist, Plunderer, Pervert, Profiteer, Poop, Possessive, Paranoid, Pillager, Pimp, Psychopath, Proud, Quack, Raider, Rapist, Revengeful, Robber, Sadist, Slave-owner, Slave-master, Slave trader, Slave Maker, Spendthrift, Slave seller, Savage, Slave buyer, Smelly, Sexist, Sex maniac, Stupid, Superstitious, Schizophrenic, Swindler, Terrorist, Torturer, Tormenter, Tyrant, Thief, Thug, Unclean, Unfair, Vengeful, Violent, Vile, Voyeur, Warlord, Warmonger, Womanizer, Wicked, Whoremonger, Xenophobic, Yucky, Zealot insidious, Gory, Whoremonger Prophet with you…. we don’t want to learn anything about Islamic cult.
we are far more happy with civilizing ourself, and aligning ourself with Vedic civilized way of life…. rather then decivilizing ourself by learning about Islam, and Islamic pedophile-rapist-Murder- prophet.
P.S. Please use your Islamic name, rather then using a Jewish name
References ..
ABC’s of Mohammed :
http://www.islam-watch.org/Amarkhan/personality-profile-Muhammad-Abuser-Beater-Cheater-Deceiver.htm
Aisha killed Mohammed :
http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=_HiMgW9yd7w
Comment by PM — August 12, 2008 @ 12:26 pm
I think pawan ji u must be happy now that lot of massacre has been done by the Indian forces and ur pandit DG Khoda sahib must meet you now in some “Mekhal’ or “Devagon” and would say,” I have done the best i could do my pandit fraternity and i have avenged the death of my fellow 209 pandits”. Shame on you. U are trying to emotionally black mail the populace of India by cashing in on the the anti kashmiri sentiment. Where else do you now need the reservation in Jobs now. I know your worth and your only worth is to harp on the anti kashmiri sentiment and exploit the Govt of India. Our, Kashmiri’ Muslim’s, only problem is that Govt Of India still doesn’t trust us and be ready the day is not so far when the G.O.I. will owe us and you know wher you would land…… definitely not in hell but we will dip you in formaldehyde and preserve you like “Pharaoh” and would put you at display in North/ South Block and would tell everyone that this is the community which was hell bent on taking privileges from the G.O.I. of India at the cost of Kashmiri Miuslims.
Comment by HAKIM PARVEZ — August 12, 2008 @ 12:35 pm
there are a couple of har har mahadev slogans up in this blog..with calls for boycott of kashmiri goods..insulting islam..calling it evil..etc etc..
come on people!! what are we harping so much about being benign and morally upright hindus???? hundreds of people have been killed in this country because of this so called benign faith..the north east has seen assault after assault on its people..basic bloody human rights have been sent to the dogs..kashmir has seen the same for ages..
this country is a divided picture strung on some idealist’s wall..except it..multiple revolutions lurk beneath its so called developing, modern and visionary face..lets not single out islam for any particular treatment..
to build this country we need to be a responsible and understanding majority..throwing our weight around is not going to help..and please please dont even talk about international terror and islam there..the americans and israelis were terrorists much before we ever heard the word..if there is going to be state sponsored murder..opposition is bound to surface..
if there are islamic fundamentalists..there are plenty ull find in a saffron garb as well..
Comment by Rishabh — August 12, 2008 @ 1:21 pm
Dear Mr Hakim Parvez,
The only place where we can express our anger and vent out our feeling is through the pen. Let me be clear that I would be least happy even if my most sworn enemy his hit even by a pebble.
What is happening in Kashmir is unfortunate , and I would blame the hurriyat leaders and PDP for it for inciting people to go this extreme.
They mislead the people into believing non residents would be settled in Baltal and then they gave a sob story of economic blockade ,while as facts and figures tell a different story.
What justification do they have when they ask people to go on hartals indefinitely.
Pls understand that your leaders are misleading you.
Also pls remember that it was not 209 KP’s who were killed. You can read a post on my blog where the IGP has denied it.
Let us all pray for peace and a truly secular Kashmir, where Kashmiri hindus and temples would be respected. And let not the leaders mislead the youths and the population of the valley.
Pawan
Comment by Editor — August 12, 2008 @ 1:24 pm
Mr. Hakim,
This whole issue has religious overtones. It has to do with tolerance vs intolerance. It’s about self intellect, self awareness and about a greater sense of being; which unfortunately a vast majority of muslim fanatics are totally unaware of. Mere education can’t teach you that. You just have to be a little more human for that.
What was harm in tranfering land to the shrine board for 2 months; when you knew religious sentiments were involved. It definitely did not have any earth shattering consequences. I don’t think it was too difficult a task to do.
Below lines are for your self realization.
Why do you think Muslims harliners are always defensive? Why do you always want to take on everybody. I don’t think Islam is weak enough to be perturbed by cartoons or Satanic versus, or Talibanism. But you retaliate.
Will you always hit out at all those who talk; and mind you there are ~5 billion of them.
Every time you hit back, you show your weakness. You show how easy it is to mislead you. You defy your own religon. You just provide more fuel to people. I don’t say you shouldn’t stand up for anything, but not everything
Islam is strong enough to survive on it’s own. Don’t make every problem your own and you’ll find world a better place.
Comment by Abhi — August 12, 2008 @ 2:36 pm
Dear Editor,
I would, ab-initio, request you to come out of the mental block that KP’s were driven out of their homeland by the Kashmiri Muslims. You are believing and reading the borrowed versions. I as a human know my duties and also my rights. The other day (9th August) one of my KP friend called me from Jammu and asked me for some money as his salary was not been paid. How i reciprocated and how i made the money reach to him is quiet immaterial to you as you are only concerned to be called a protege’ of the KP’s by writing all this Goebilism and slander against the Kashmiri Muslims. It was your duty, being a Kashmiri, to write against the act of war in the form of economic blockade declared by ceratin vandals at jammu and instead of agitating the same, you are trying to convince me that there was no econiomic blockade. We are already praying for the peace and tranquility to come to J&K and i would also impress you to pray for the same. For your valued ionformation, despite having a home at Jammu, i seldom stay there but prefer to stay with my KP friends. I would again requset you use your blog for the growth of the inter-kashmiri dialogue and don’t vitiate the already vitaited artmosphere between the KP’s and KM’s( Kashmiri Muslims)
Comment by HAKIM PARVEZ — August 12, 2008 @ 5:11 pm
Please read for yourself what “New York Times” have to say about your leader (Sheikh Abdul Aziz) killed in Kashmir.
“Six were killed Monday, including Sheikh Abdul Aziz, a former anti-Indian militant who joined the moderate faction of the Kashmiri separatist group called the Hurriyat Conference. The government swiftly imposed a curfew on Srinagar, the valley’s principal city, and several other cities and towns. Protesters poured out into the streets anyway and in confrontations with security forces, 13 were killed Tuesday, according to the state police chief Kuldeep Khuda.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/13/world/asia/13kashmir.html?ref=world
Kashmiri Muslims: world is watching you and call you “MILITANTS” or lets say your leaders who you follow blindly
Comment by Voice Of Jammu — August 12, 2008 @ 7:59 pm
Parvez>>I would, ab-initio, request you to come out of the mental block that KP’s were driven out of their homeland by the Kashmiri Muslims.
Yes, true to your holy book, muslims can never make any mistake.
If its 911, then its jewish plot.
If its Godhra, then Hindus burnt themselves.
If its Parliament attack, then it was a BJP plot.
………
If its Mumbai 711, then it was done by Shivsena.
Who sent 500,000 Kashmiri Hindus out from Valley? THEY LEFT THEMSELVES LEAVING THEIR 5000 YEARS OF HISTORY.
THAT’S WHY WORLDWIDE PEOPLE ARE GETTING SICK OF MUSLIMS.
Comment by Tathagata Mukherjee — August 12, 2008 @ 11:49 pm
Dear Mr Hakim Parvez,
Who would know better if the reasons and the people who drove Kashmiri Pandits away from Kashmir more better than me.
I am one of those who were forced to flee to save life,dignity and honor.
Regards
Comment by Editor — August 13, 2008 @ 4:27 am
Mr Editor
Please use your blog to create bridges and don’t appreciate them who want to burn your homeland on the communial grounds. This is same Kashmir and Same people of kashmir who have served the yatries food and other essential goods when Kashmiris were fighting for homeland.
It is the same Kashmiri people who are lifting the yatries on their shoulders and make them able to Darshan.
It is the same Kashmiris who had heartedly served and arranged the merriage cermony of a pandit girl here in Karfali Mohalla Habba Kadal when the fanatics in jammu were killing and burning the homes of inocent Muslims.
how much u find pure to whome u r supporting.
It is the same kashmiri people who are demanding to the govt. not to make seperate residencial coloinies for Pundit baradari as kashmiri people wants to live with them and share happness and sorrows with them as was before.
It is the same kashmiri people who were comming to Pandit baradari homes to serve sweets during the festivals of both sides.
We were togetherly celebrating the merriage cermonies and festivals.
How we people can become selfish and forget all this as we were the two sides of same coin.
During the voilance in jammu, Kashmiri people were enquiring abt the Pandit baradari as news spread across the Kashmir valley that kashmiri pandit baradari is being vandalised by the fanatic people.
How a kashmiri can finght against u. kashmiris always want and are commeted to live rest life with the pandit Baradari with love and deginity.
This is jammu & kashmir we won’t allow any buddy to seperate us and we will together fight for justice and honour.
O people who are misled please for Gods sake let the people of Jammu and kashmir Live their rest life.
Regards
David
Comment by David — August 13, 2008 @ 4:38 am
David : Are these not the same Kashmiris who resisted building of better facilities for Amarnath pilgrims ?
Why has no one commented when Ahsan Dar issued a threat very recently to Kashmiri Hindus ?
Why has no Kashmiri demanded trial against Bitta Karate and Yasin Malik who are known killers of Kashmiri Hindus ?
It is one thing to preach but what is effective if the the things are seen on ground.
Regards
Comment by Editor — August 13, 2008 @ 4:44 am
Dear All,
Let’s for God’s sake shun away with the blame game and stop inciting the emotions of each other as there is no end to the fact that by adhering to these levithian acts, the logic would be eclipsed by emotions. Everyone amongst us have rummaged the “Freedon-Faith. com” and the New York Times editorial and i too have at disposal hundreds of sites, which i don’t want to quote, as they will definitely incite the devil in you. The fact is a fact that all the innocent persons killed in the valley on 11th/ 12th Instant were not militants and were not carrying a Gun. Let’s rise above these petty issues of Hindua, Muslim, Kashmiri Pandit and Kashmiri Muslim and do condemn the innocent deaths, at thje hands of the pirannha’s- whether in Jammu or in Kashmir, which have occured in the last one month. We, in Kashmir, are deeply hurt, at the moment, by these killings and we do, definitely, need a nursing hand and succour and is there anyone there in India and Abroad, with a bit of morality and conscious heart, who can assuage our feelings. Please, for God’s sake, don’t hurt us more.
Comment by HAKIM PARVEZ — August 13, 2008 @ 5:54 am
Dear Parvez,
It is God’s hand which is behind all this, why is it that all the suffering is there in valley only, why is it that the poeple of valley have to suffer always…Gods hand my friend, the supreme justice….look inside yourself and try to find out where things went wrong….the justice is being done…and there is God’s hand behind all this….if the so called Jihad would have been indeed pious, the justice would have been done long time back… there also its GOD who does the justice…. and who is doing is rightfully.
NOONE is hurting you more than yourselves… and who is doing this GOD my friend…listen to his voices and his indications…
Comment by VR — August 13, 2008 @ 6:24 am
Fact of the matter remains.
QUESTION: CAN YOU TRUST KASHMIRI MUSLIM?
ANSWER: KASHMIRI MUSLIM=SNAKE
Comment by Voice Of Jammu — August 13, 2008 @ 7:51 am
Dear VR,
It is definitely the will of the God which is supreme and not even a leaf can fall without Almighty Allah’s will. You should not be happy at the Killing of the Kashmiri Muslims as his axe is silent and noiseless and when it will fall on you, it will definitely hurt you in the same manner as we are hurt at the moment at this macabre and grueson killings of innocent kashmiri’s.
Comment by HAKIM PARVEZ — August 13, 2008 @ 8:28 am
Question: Name a religion/faith which is associated with terrorism all over the world, recently in China and Philippines?
Answer: Terrorism now finally has a religion and a faith Muslim/Islam.
Comment by Voice Of Jammu — August 13, 2008 @ 8:37 am
Voice Of Jammu,
The West has no trouble lampooning Islam because it is not a religion of the land as far as they’re concerned. That’s not the case with India – our country’s Islamic aspect is one of its cultural-spiritual pillars. Urdu was a language born on the Indian soil, the Taj is an Indian monument.
Don’t insult fellow Indians who follow an Indian religio – Islam has been in India for over 1000 years, and it’ll be there for many more thousands of years to come.
Fascist bigotry however “true” it may seem to YOU, is not patriotism. You are an anti-national, you are working to destroy India. Today your target is terrorist Muslims, who will it be tomorrow? Commie Bongs? Terrorist Punjabis? Beggar Biharis? Black Madrasis? God-less Buddhists?
Am not asking you to NOT demand accountability and answers, not critique, or not fight for Hindu rights. I am asking you to not tear apart the idea that is India.
Comment by Arun — August 13, 2008 @ 10:08 am
Question: What is the first word that comes to your mind when you hear them?
Hinduism: Religious Peace loving
Christianity: Jesus Loves You
Islam:
JIHAD 
Refer to the answer ARUN or let me call you “Abdullha”
Comment by Voice Of Jammu — August 13, 2008 @ 10:30 am
Mr Editor
I m not denying that Pundits in jammu had been discriminated in kashmir and had faced cruel days very ago. I personall pay sorry for that. It is not my weakness which formed me to say sorry but my inner contiousness. becoz i want every people of kashmir should come together and find solution to its problems.
Let this blog not to become plateform for hatred, anger, insulting and abusing. This should become a commen ground for the people of kashmir to discuss certain issues.
Don’t you want that the differences created amoung the inocent Kashmiris should be perished for ever. You are the editor of this blog you should to some extent behave like the professional and not biased.
U have to satisfy the cause of this blog and if the cause of this blog is to create differences and gaps then i m sorry.
Mr Arun
Don’t respond to these persons as Voice of jammu, as it is basicall enemy of Jammu, name has been wrongly written. It is the kashmiri Phrase that if somebuddy tries to spit on sky, that spitting fells into his face. It will take long time to him to wash his face.
Regards
David
Comment by David — August 13, 2008 @ 10:33 am
Well said Arun,
India needs people of your thinking. If peole like you exist in India, who doesn’t have a biost against the survival of other religions, do you thaink that Kashmir can’t be won. You will find majority of the like minded people in kashmir who need just a word of recognition andd oneness.
Comment by HAKIM PARVEZ — August 13, 2008 @ 10:37 am
Have you heard some thing like half pregnant
either you are or you are not 
So if world calls Kashmiri Militants, YOU ARE
Truth is a truth is a truth will always be a truth.
Comment by Voice Of Jammu — August 13, 2008 @ 10:46 am
DAvid, why are you using a Jewish name ….. especially when your comment about Mohammed reflects that you are a Muslim…
Comment by PM — August 13, 2008 @ 11:08 am
Voice of Jammu:
> Refer to the answer ARUN or let me call you “Abdullha”
I was born a Hindu, I will remain a Hindu, and so will my progeny for ALL of history, just as my fore-fathers so far have for well over several millennia.
I simply don’t think of Islam as a foreign religion. A Pakistani immigrant to the UK may be “foreign”, but India – the Hindustan – is the authentic ancestral land of the present day Indian Muslims. Islam forms an integral part of what India is, and Indians who follow it are Gujaratis, Marathis, Tamilians, Biharis, Bengalis and Kashmiris – just like the rest of us. They don’t speak Arabic or Persian, they speak Indian languages. They are our own people.
1000 years – that’s how old our Islamic heritage is. If you still consider Islam foreign, you should also clarify just for how many more thousand years Islam will have to be in India before it can be considered Indian. Would 2000 do? How about 10000? 20000?
There is an image of Arab-style Islam that is pre-dominent – in Arabia, people cut off others’ hands, they cast aspersions on others’ religions, don’t let their women drive, call others Kafirs, wide-spread support for terrorism, extremely anti-minority and religiously intolerant, and so on. However, whatever component of these obviously distasteful aspects may have remained in India, I PROPOSE that we see it as an UN-INDIAN aberration not inherent in the religion itself.
Something similar to the caste-system of Hinduism. Remember that the caste-system was institutionalized into Hinduism – you should read the Manu smriti when you get some time. It still exists amongst us. But it is not a “Hindu” problem – it is an Indian problem. This comes with being a multi-cultural people – if any particular section has a problem, its not THEY alone who have a problem, but ALL of us. We collectively take ownership of the issue, we express solidarity, and we fight our devils as one.
The situation is not hopeless at all. There are syncretic interpretations of Islam in India such as Sufism that are entirely un-Arab like. Dargahs litter all over the country. Islamic scholars in India have translated several Sanskrit texts to Persian. Several prominent Indian icons are Muslims. There is an increasing call for reform within followers of Islam itself. I ask you to NOT demonise our fellow countrymen, but to reach out to them, state your views and rationally back them up, campaign for change, engage them in debates, ciriticise them, and lend support to any of their positive efforts.
However, when you DEMAND change and action, you do so by standing STEADY on your belief that you are right, that your conduct is Dharmic, that you are compassionate towards others and you are just. Tearing apart the religious identities of people and virulently attacking their sense of belonging to their own country is LOWLY. The Gita would say that its Tamasic behavior – it’s not something that humans like a Shivaji, a Rana Pratap, or a Ranjit Singh would have done, what to speak of ideals like Ram and Krishna.
Comment by Arun — August 13, 2008 @ 11:42 am
David:
> Don’t respond to these persons as Voice of jammu, as it is basicall enemy of Jammu, name has been wrongly written. It is the kashmiri Phrase that if somebuddy tries to spit on sky, that spitting fells into his face. It will take long time to him to wash his face.
You see, some people cannot differentiate between spit and water – spit on their faces is not nasty enough to make them stop spitting. Out of sheer compassion, they have to be told the difference.
And his spit falls not only on himself, but also on my country and my religion, so I have an issue!
Comment by Arun — August 13, 2008 @ 11:50 am
I had jus heard that jammu people are crazy..THIS blog is a prrof of it..and yea boycott kashmiri goods..no1 IN KASHMIR CARES.WAT U DO..,after u blocked the highway..n left us starving..WE WILL SEND OUR GOODS TO PAKISTAM..AND SHOW U..HELL TO THIS BLOG..
Comment by Meh — August 13, 2008 @ 1:33 pm
Dear PM,
It is not wrong of you that you are insulting the great prophet of muslims (PBUH). It is the unfortunate chapter of your life that you are not enough knowledgeble and no not facts of islam. When you go through the saccred scluptures of your religion and islam, you will stuck your head towards the wall. But my dear i will try to upload some facts and topics about Prophet mohammad in this blog for you to get enough knowledge. I came to this blog to make good relation with Pandit Baradari and non Muslims as well. please don’t make this hell fire. If it will become hell fire it will burn you as well.
Plz don’t be abusive and critic.
Regarding the name, Islam has got no problem with wat ever i may be called but i should be true muslim. for your kind attention David means Prophet Dawood (PBUH).
O brothers having destractive mind and using abusive language plz try to understand we are all human and we ought to be humans always and ever.
Regards
David
Comment by David — August 13, 2008 @ 1:40 pm
Mr.David….
Thanks for replying ….. Great….. Are u David or some illa bulla Khan
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I suggest u read more about muhammad from quran and al hadis and understand….. I know u people only memorize the **** but dont understand…. so I referred you to http://www.faithfreedom.org This is very informative website made by X-MUSLIMS Mr Ali is a great contributor…. have u heard Wafa Sultan talk about ISLAM and muhammad. Please google Wafa Sultan and listen from ur own enlighten Brotherhood and sister hood.
I am not for damn election but I am here to help you from the evil– ISLAM…..
I am here to open your eyes to world around u… kashmir is a small part of big problem.
I have no hatred towards muslim
Please visit http://www.faithfreedom.org read and spend 1 hour there is a lot to read and then reply back to me. Peace and wisdom upon u and all muslims…..
Kuldeep Trisal
Comment by Kuldeep Trisal — August 13, 2008 @ 1:47 pm
1. Introduction to the Life of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH)
Asslamu alaykum! Welcome to ‘the introduction to the life of Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him).’ There has never been a human being so well-respected, loved and followed as Muhammad (pbuh), the final messenger of Allah. There has never been a person who has changed world history so dramatically as Muhammad (pbuh) and his message. The Prophet (pbuh) was the single most important person in the history of the world.
The reason for Muhammad’s (pbuh) success was that he was sent with a pure message from Allah, the creator of all mankind. This message would help us understand how to live our lives. It would tell us about good and bad and about wrong and right. This message would tell us about mankind (about you and me), the universe and the rest of creation around us. This message would tell us about Allah and about our relationship with Allah. The message also told us about the Hereafter, the Day of Judgment, Heaven and Hell.
The Qu’ran is this pure message that was revealed to Muhammad 1400 years ago. These are the words of Allah that were sent to the prophet Muhammad (pbuh). Allah has guarded it and kept it pure from changes and errors. The purpose or mission of the prophet (pbuh) was to deliver this message to Mankind and to follow its teachings.
There is no other message that has such an impact on mankind as the Qu’ran. There are no other revealed books that have been kept pure from changes like the Qu’ran has. The Qu’ran has changed the lives of billions of people in the world. It has helped them become better people and live according to the will of Allah.
There were many prophets that came before prophet Muhammad (pbuh) – 124,000 we are told from Hadith. The Qu’ran tells us that every nation was sent a prophet. The mission of the prophets was to tell their people about Allah and invite them to live their lives according to Allah’s command. This helped them be good and generous people who looked after and cared for each other. The good people would be rewarded with heaven and the people that rebelled and refused the prophet would be punished with hellfire.
When the prophet died, the people would forget part of the message and then add bits to the original message. Eventually, the messages became completely different and the people went astray again. Allah would send another messenger to guide them back to the right path.
This cycle of prophets coming and the people going astray continued for a long time. When Muhammad (pbuh) came, the cycle was broken. The big difference was that the message of Muhammad (pbuh) was for everyone and would never change. If the people went astray, they could turn back to the original message (the Qu’ran) and be guided again. If they did not understand things they could look into the Sunnah which is a practical guide of how the Qu’ran is followed.
Allah said that he would guard the message (the Holy Qu’ran) from any changes. We find that the Qu’ran we have today is the same Qu’ran that was revealed to Muhammad (pbuh) through Angel Jibrael. There is not a word or letter difference between the original and today’s Qu’ran. If anyone goes on the wrong path or gets mixed up, they can read the Qu’ran and receive guidance.
There are no more messengers to come after Prophet Muhammad (pbuh). He was the seal of the prophets. The prophet (pbuh) told us on his last sermon – ‘I have left nothing but two things – the Qu’ran and the Sunnah – follow these and you will never go astray.’
Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was born in Makkah to Amina and Abdullah. Abdullah passed away before Muhammad (pbuh) was born and was brought up by Amina, his mother. When he was six, his mother passed away and then he was looked after by his loving grandfather Abdul Mutallib. Two years later, Abdul Mutallib also passed away and Muhammad (pbuh) was brought up by his uncle Abu Talib.
Muhammad (pbuh) lived a simple life, marrying Khadija when he was twenty five years old. At the age of forty, the first verses came from Allah in the month of Ramadan. The Angel Jibrael brought these first five verses to Muhammad (pbuh). These words were written down by the scribes and memorised by the Muslims. This message continued for twenty three years and is known as the Qu’ran – the word of Allah.
The people originally refused to follow Muhammad (pbuh) and persecuted him. There were only a handful of people who followed Muhammad (pbuh) and his teachings. The Prophet (pbuh) and his followers suffered many hardships in Makkah. After thirteen years, they left Makkah and migrated to Yathrib (Madina) where many people accepted Islam and the teachings spread very quickly.
The Makkans were not happy; they tried to attack the Muslims on many occasions. These were times of trial for the Muslims. There were times when the Muslims faced many problems and hardships but they continued to struggle on. The Muslims were eventually successful and managed to secure peace in the whole region. Many people began to accept Islam in Arabia but the Makkans continued to plot against the Muslims.
Muhammad (pbuh) and his companions returned to Makkah and the House of Allah. The Muslims then removed all the idols from the Ka’bahand Muhammad (pbuh) forgave these people who had persecuted and harmed him for so many years. There was great happiness and rejoicing in Makkah.
Islam continued to spread and reform the Arabs. After the prophet (pbuh) passed away Islam continued to spread all over the world. The rightly guided Khalifas that came after Muhammad ruled justly and cared for the people. There was justice throughout the lands as more and more people, tribes and countries accepted the teachings of Islam.
The Sahabah, the companions of the prophet Muhammad (pbuh), worked hard to practice the ideals of Islam and teach it to the people. Through the efforts of the Sahabah and the early Muslims we are Muslims today, Alhamdu-lillah.
The Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was kind and honest. He looked after his family and friends. He had good character and respected the elders. He looked after the orphans and the poor. He was concerned for the wellbeing of all people. He never stole or swore at anyone. He was loved and respected by everyone – the Muslims and the non-Muslims.
The prophet’s character and actions are also recorded in the Hadith books which give us an insight into this great man. Many people try and follow the example of the prophet (pbuh), indeed he is a role model for all Muslims. We should also be kind and good – following the example of the prophet (pbuh) throughout our lives.
In the Seerah class, you will learn a lot about the prophet (pbuh) and about his life. The lessons are very simple and are only a small introduction to the life of our prophet Muhammad (pbuh). You should spend some of your own time and learn more about this great man.
Comment by David — August 13, 2008 @ 1:57 pm
Dear Readers,
I would appreciate if we dont question each others faith.
Pls be understanding in your comments,else i may have to start moderating the comments.
Hoping each one of you would oblige.
Comment by Editor — August 13, 2008 @ 1:58 pm
Secular Muslim is Oxymoron.
When Muslims in majority, they unleash Sharia that gives non-muslims second class citizenship.
When in Minority, Muslims start shouting democracy, secularism.
Now, whole world is sick and tired of this whole issue and taking up protest.
Comment by Tathagata Mukherjee — August 13, 2008 @ 2:14 pm
Dear Editor,
Thankyou Very much this is the real duty of your to spread the true and respectable message.
I m not angry and nor i will creticise any buddys faith, becoz it is the sacred thing in every buddys heart.
In place of abusing and criticising any buddys faith, we should come forward to help and to listen each others problems and make every buddy happy.
Thank you very much editor for your professional faceoff.
Regards
David
Comment by David — August 13, 2008 @ 2:20 pm
David is performing Taquiyya, Islamic deception hiding behind non-Islamic identity.
Anyway, as long as you live in India, FOLLOW INDIAN LAW. ITS INDIAN CONSTITUTION THAT IS SUPREME.
IF YOU DON’T LIKE, GO TO PAKISTAN. IT WAS CREATED FOR FANATICS LIKE YOU.
Comment by Tathagata Mukherjee — August 13, 2008 @ 2:21 pm
Dear Mukherjee,
Thanks for comments and suggestion for following indian law.
Thanks to almighty i m following the law and feel no harm. When ever it strikes i will try to find right curve.
But my dear why you have so much dirt in ur mind and freely abusing other nations as we are stuck withour own problems.
we have our own problems and we should try to save our selves in place of interfering others. If we do and waste time in such pitty issues u are cheating your land.
Regards
David
Comment by David — August 13, 2008 @ 2:51 pm
After driving out 500,000 Hindus from valley to establish Tabalinized Kashmir, u talk about dirt in mind?
NO WONDER, ISLAMISTS, JEHADIS, TERRORISTS AND THEIR SUPPORTERS LIKE U TREATED AS DIRT.
U GUYS ARE SCUM ON EARTH. BUT SOONER, OR LATER ITS GOING TO EXPLODE IN UR FACE. That’s how society works.
Comment by Tathagata Mukherjee — August 13, 2008 @ 3:00 pm
David aka Kashmiri Jehadi apologist:
Jammuites have shown the way to handle Islamic Jehadi culture of Kashmir. You days of arrogance is over- NOW PAYBACK TIME HAS STARTED.
Comment by Tathagata Mukherjee — August 13, 2008 @ 3:21 pm
@kuldeep trisal
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but sorry to say there is a bit contradiction here:
Michael H. Hart who wrote the book,
‘The Hundred Most Influential Men in History’, the topmost position, i.e. the
number one position goes to the prophet, Muhammad (pbuh).
a child molester and sinster at no1, huh?
u also say” Religion spread by him is good for barbarians.”
another contradiction:
u might know that islam has become the biggest religion followed. and very sad that most people are turning to a religion that is made 4 barbarians. but why?
plz google both d facts to verify them…
hope i didnt hurt ur inflated ego…
rgds
Comment by zahir — August 13, 2008 @ 3:49 pm
>>u might know that islam has become the biggest religion followed
Another lie by jehadis.
Comment by Tathagata Mukherjee — August 13, 2008 @ 3:53 pm
Dear Hindu Fanatics,
I am deeply aggrieved by the venom spitted by you against the most Holy and divine religion of Islam. You kindly come out of this jingoist chauvanism and then only you will be able to see the better part of yourself. Just rummaging through the site Freedom faith.com and than becoming an authority on religion is very absurd on your part. Mr. Zakir naik has amply well replied to Ali Sena, the creator of the site.
It is a well known fact that Muslims have invaded India, umpteen number of times, right from Mohamad of Ghori and the spread of Islam in India and mainly in Kashmir by great sufi saint from central Asia- Hazrat Mir Ali Shah Hamdani(RA), was not through oppression but by conviction. If you fanatics have read Kashmior History by P.N.K. Bamzai with a foreword by Jawahar lal Nehru, you would get the answers to all your limited and Hindu Centric knowledge.
Just please quote me a single Hindu who can recite Ramayana or Mahabarta by heart but you will find at least one person in each locality who can recite the Holy Koran by heart and this is the beauty of Islam.
Moreover, before vitiating other religion you should know about that religion extensively and don’t go by hearsay.
Comment by HAKIM PARVEZ — August 13, 2008 @ 4:40 pm
And reciting Quran by Heart make you like what you are today.
We are thankful we can’t recite Geeta; we are thankful we are just humans.
Comment by AK — August 13, 2008 @ 4:50 pm
Mr Mukharjee,
Remember we are Kashmiris first before we become Muslims/Hindus/Sikhs/Buddhists……and it is only and only in Kashmir that we will continue to be known as Kashmiris…….
Let us all dream of a land where our children will continue speaking to us in KASHMIRI…where our Kashmiri Pandit brothers will live amongst our midst like they have lived for hundreds of years. A land where we would be able to protect our identity…..where the main newspaper would be in a Kashmiri language rather than English/urdu/hindi.
Let us uplift ourselves brothers and let the world know how we are sufferring day in and day out
Comment by David — August 13, 2008 @ 5:00 pm
>>Remember we are Kashmiris first before we become Muslims/Hindus/Sikhs/Buddhists
David (Islamic jehadi hiding under Christian name) lecturing on human rights !! After ethnic cleansing minorities from Valley !
JEHADIS, ISLAMISTS, TERRORISTS, ANTI-NATIONAL KASHMIRIS ARE SCUM ON EARTH.
Comment by Tathagata Mukherjee — August 13, 2008 @ 5:20 pm
How long psuedos will save Jehadis, islamists, terrorists and anti-nationals in Kashmir and India?
NOT FOR LONG FOLKS.
WAKE UP- PEOPLE ARE SICK AND NOW UNITING LIKE JAMMUITES.
DAYS OF JEHADIS, ISLAMISTS, TERRORISTS AND ANTI-NATIONALS ARE OVER SOONER THAN EXPECTED.
Comment by Tathagata Mukherjee — August 13, 2008 @ 5:26 pm
THOSE DAYS OF JEHADI ARROGANCE OF KASHMIRIS ARE OVER.
NOW, SMELL THE COFFEE.
CONTINUED JEHADI ACTIVITIES IS UNITING HINDUS AND SOONER OR LATER, JEHAD SHALL BE BANISHED FROM INDIA ALONG WITH JEHADIS.
Comment by Tathagata Mukherjee — August 13, 2008 @ 5:30 pm
hi all …
i think its better we discuss the plight of kashmiri pandits and the divisive agenda of terrorists in kashmir here ….. i mean i really dont think we care about muhammed or anyone here ….
lets make a plan here so that the terrorists and jehadis loose…. in kashmir and in all of india ….
starting with kashmir … its VERY VERY IMPORTANT TO ABOLISH THE ARTICLE 370 AS SOON AS POSSIBLE….
anyone who objects is a traitor of the country…. if kashmiri muslims object the road to mullahbad is open … they can go the great state of paki – satan … god bless them after that … i am sure u all will enjoy your stay there ….
i mean any religion person anywhere else in india can buy a piece of land at least for housing …. even if it may be small …. its a mark of respect if i want to choose kashmir to build my home … is it not ?? …. no one wants to take away the land of the muslims from there forcibly ….. so why is it stopped??
for this we all have to come and vote for any party that supports “equal right to settle anywhere in India” ……
if its BJP then let it be …. vote for it ….
if its congress …. i dont mind it either ….
but the time has come to rise …. the Jammuites have shown us the way … i salute them … for they have risen with the tricolor in their hands …. for they are not killing innocent women and children … for they are not rising to drive out people from anywhere …..
they have risen to bring to the notice to their fellow country men how they are not treated on equal terms as the valley people …. and how they were driven out from there land under the nose of the sickular central government ….. how tha countries media doesnt give a shit for them …. how the world media doesnt care …
all this has to end … the country has to rise now … the time has come ….
LIVE AND LET LIVE….
Comment by chandra — August 13, 2008 @ 6:04 pm
Kashmir Mosques are blaring anti-national slogans and asking for protest.
This is Kashmiri Secularism I guess.
Comment by Tathagata Mukherjee — August 13, 2008 @ 6:05 pm
I DOUBT IT VERY MUCH, IF WE HAD A STRONG BJP (IN WHATEVER NAME), WHETHER NEHRU WOULD HAVE BEEN ABLE TO GRANT J&K SPECIAL RIGHTS IN 1950s !
We NEED A STRONG NATIONALISTIC POWER IN INDIA.
Comment by Tathagata Mukherjee — August 13, 2008 @ 6:07 pm
NDTV JUST REPORTING: Kashmir Mosques are blaring anti-national slogans and asking for protest.
This is Kashmiri Secularism I guess.
Comment by Tathagata Mukherjee — August 13, 2008 @ 6:07 pm
Let’s not malign any religion here. Religions were nothing but a way of life. It’s their interpretation which has gone wrong; and that too on purpose. Religion should never be taken so seriously that it threatens human life.
What I have a problem is aganist anti nationalist sentiments, which pratically oozes from every Kashmiri Muslim. Talking to anti nationals is non negotiable.
David/Hakim: In case you are willing to comment, make amends we can make some progress; else all this is a futile excise.
Comment by Abhi — August 13, 2008 @ 6:09 pm
HINDUS ARE TOLERANT- BUT NEVER TOLERATED INTOLERANCE.
JEHADIS, ISLAMISTS THOUGHT BY VIRTUE OF PSUEDO SECULARISM, THEY CAN GET AWAY DOING ANYTHING.
ITS NOT HAPPENING FOLKS !!
Comment by Tathagata Mukherjee — August 13, 2008 @ 6:11 pm
Let’s all pledge to bring BJP to power; absolute power.
Comment by AK — August 13, 2008 @ 6:17 pm
AK>>Let’s all pledge to bring BJP to power; absolute power.
A DAY IS NOT FAR WHEN PEOPLE WILL RISE WHICH EVEN BJP WILL NOT BE ABLE TO CONTROL. As we seen in Jammu.
Comment by Tathagata Mukherjee — August 13, 2008 @ 6:19 pm
yes thats the only way to ascertain ourselves in this increasingly hostile world where islamic terrorism is the foremost enemy of this country ….
its time for this country to unite and bring about a change in this country …. can u imagine how china snubbed india under this pathetic upa government…. the prime minister of this country got no invite while italian sonia gandhi did … and she went along with family … is this national pride ???
this is how the congress government wants to take India ahead and become a superpower like china is almost now ??
its time for a nationalist government to take over with maximum seats for BJP so that it is not bulllied by stupid regionalist parties …. i even have started to consider Shiv sena under such parties …. they are not worth of using the name of Shiva … shame on the thackrays to be creating a fight among people of this country ….
REMEMBER THE YOUTH OF THIS COUNTRY AND ALL THOSE WHO HAVE A VOTE … MAKE SURE U VOTE IN THIS COMING ELECTION …. SELECT THE NATIONALIST PARTY … and once its in power …remember to put pressure on it so that it doesnt forgets its isssues ….
TIME HAS COME …. I WILL VOTE FOR THE FIRST TIME IN ALL THESE YEARS … I AM PROUD I WILL DO IT FOR A JUST CAUSE ….
RISE INDIA ….
LIVE AND LET LIVE ….
Comment by chandra — August 13, 2008 @ 6:27 pm
just cool dwn & give a serious thought…
if we kashmiri pandits want to peacefully settle back in kashmir we have no option but to live hormoniously with kashmiri muslim as we used to in older peacefull times.Otherwise, we like it or not, as a small minority we will not be able to survive ,if we still fan hatredness .they have, to be sincere & honest, definetly suffered much more than us.
moreover it is sheer ignorance & foolosness to say that we pandits are “real” inhabitants of kashmir.we shd live with facts instead & the simple fact is that these kashmiri muslims are no foreigners but mass reverted pandits . Such conversion have not occured only in kashmir but throughtout world.LIke in Europe mass conversion to christianity.so what does that mean ? R they now not “real” inhabitants of their land …so this argument is totaly foolish.
moreover as a mtter of fact we kashmiries have suffered bcz. of both the countries–India & pakistan.Pandits were threatened to leave kashmir not by kashmiri muslim but by those pakistani motivated agents who wanted kashmir to join pakistan and also by India which used it as a ground fr labelling kashmiri freedom movement as Islamic terrorism…simple politics ! the apparent feeling that kashmiri muslims also wanted to kick us out was nothing but the fever of propaganda of communal hatredness.similar to what happened in Germany bcz. of Hitler’s propaganda.that doesn’t mean Germans are still anti-semites.
if we looks fairly, then it becomes clear that kashmir had to accede to pakistan owing to the geogrraphical & democraphical facts. but we pandits feel sick about it. we don’t want to accede to a “muslim country” . we have reasons to feel insecure & threatened..right. But then we must undrstand the simple fact that 90% muslim population of kashmir also may have their own reasons to feel insecure being with a “hindu country”…India….we have to be honest & fair.so in this context & culturally we will better be together in Independent kashmir.we pandits & muslims will again live together hormoniously as we used to fr centuries.kashmiri muslims are soft hearted fundamentally speaking.how are more than one lakh sikhs peacefull living in kashmir ???
if today any muslim leader who enjoys support of his comminity speaks of peace & friendship btw pandits & muslims …& wants us to retun back to kashmir..we shd well come his statements instead going back into past & digging rotten graves. what signal are we sending ???
what ever snajay kak has shown in his documentry is a fact & we can’t turn our eyes frm it.i am myself witness to it…along with one crore population.don’t be foolish to accuse them that ur all liers & our India is inocent as dove !!!
i have written all this bcz. i believe in humanity before i afflict myself with any community.time has come to be honest, sincere , seek peaceful solution fr kashmir instead of beating around bush.that will simply result in disaster.let us stop this dirty war of humiliating each others religion.this won’t lead us any where.let us join hands & step forward towards progress & ensure prosperous future fr coming generations.
peace be on u all…vth love…bye
Rajesh Bhat
Electrical engineer
Missouri ,USA.
Comment by Rajesh Bhat — August 13, 2008 @ 7:14 pm
Golden Truth
All You DAVID”S = Dawood, Arun= Abdullha and others who are hiding their real identity all my Golden Truths apply to you all and keep spitting on yourself what else you can do better in your life….. You loosers
now time for next Gold Standard Truth
Question: What are the traits of a Kashmiri Muslim?
Answer:
Filthy takes bath from eid to eid
Untrustworthy
Always Swearing” Allaha Ki Kasam or Khuda ki Kasam” (Caution: but don’t trust them)
Fair Skinned
Antinational
Anti all other religions other than Islam
Very good and friendly as an individual but dangerous and anti hindu as a group.
In kashmir talks anti india outside Kashmir talks as nationalist.
Pro Pakistani
Survives on financial aid from central govt.
Enjoys all quotas and subsidies
Starts Shitting rocks when he has to face a FIERCE DOGRA like me
Uses word secularism to his convenience.
Has looted and is using goods from hindu household who fled Kashmir.
Does not pay water and electricity bills.
cries crock tears.
Rest i am reserving for my next post…….. I think David, Arun and his company Jokers will have a very good morning reading this one.
Comment by Voice Of Jammu — August 13, 2008 @ 7:51 pm
are u a US citizen now mr bhat … tell the truth … do u know how difficult life has become in India … how everyone thinks where the next bomb will explode ….
in the bus ?? … on the bus stop?? … in hospital?? …. in temple where we go to say a prayer?? … these people have not even spared mosques….
i am sure u must be aware of the extent which US has gone to protect itself and its citizens ….
tell me one thing have there been any major blast in US done by these fanatic terrorist jehadis after 911?????????
none … US has taught them a lesson … it mat be losing lives in irag and afganistan … but its better to fight and die than take the insult of being bled everyday ….. too much life has been lost because India is soft on these people … because some parties want to play votebank politics … its time to make them realise that this will not be tolerated anymore ….
its not about being against the religion … its asking the good among them to rise …. its about a call for nationalism …. all people who stand for a united India have to come together …..
if u are naive enough to think that … u will call for peace with the kashmiri militants and they will welcome u then …. GOD HELP U ….
we learned the lessons the hard way even in Punjab …. what some terrrorist elements can do was evident in Punjab … these very warriors of India were turned against the country …. the people who we are so proud of …. who have always been the no 1 servicemen in our security forces ….
sometimes it is necessary to use excessive force to bring things to normalcy and tell the terrorists and their helpers that they will not be left unpunished … that they will get there punishment not just by God but very swiftly here as well ….
there is place for everyone in India to so what they want peacefully … to pursue what they want … to have fun in the way they want … it may not be easy going as far as government institutions are concerned …..
but i am sure this is a country where u get a lot of freedom … and we have to preserve this way of life ….
ITS TIME TO ACT TOUGH AND BRING TO POWER A GOVERNMENT THAT WILL ACT TOUGH ON ALL THIS….
LIVE AND LET LIVE ….
Comment by chandra — August 13, 2008 @ 7:53 pm
Golden Truth
All You DAVID”S = Dawood, Arun= Abdullha and others who are hiding their real identity all my Golden Truths apply to you all and keep spitting on yourself what else you can do better in your life….. You loosers now time for next Gold Standard Truth
Question: What are the traits of a Kashmiri Muslim?
Answer:
Untrustworthy
Filthy takes bath from eid to eid
Always Swearing” Allaha Ki Kasam or Khuda ki Kasam” (Caution: but don’t trust them)
Fair Skinned
Antinational
Anti all other religions other than Islam
Very good and friendly as an individual but dangerous and anti hindu as a group.
In kashmir talks anti india outside Kashmir talks as nationalist.
Pro Pakistani
Survives on financial aid from central govt.
Enjoys all quotas and subsidies
Starts Shitting rocks when he has to face a FIERCE DOGRA like me
Uses word secularism to his convenience.
Has looted and is using goods from hindu household who fled Kashmir.
Does not pay water and electricity bills.
cries crock tears.
Rest i am reserving for my next post…….. I think David, Arun and his company Jokers will have a very good morning reading this one.
Comment by Voice Of Jammu — August 13, 2008 @ 8:09 pm
Message to Rajesh Bhatt
Oye Kashmiri “LOLLEY” Spineless Pandit…!!! I think you will understand what it means when Jammuite says this to you.
You think of settling down in Kashmir(Day Dreamin) with all who drove you out. Dear a generation has passed now and kids born in 1999 will be ending their teens, do you think they will go into that gutter now.
In my opinion you are better of in US enjoying white women and wine dont come back but we will fight to the finish. I have lots of words for you but ill keep them to “Dont Come BACK”
Comment by Voice Of Jammu — August 13, 2008 @ 8:18 pm
#Editor
I appreciate your views, but have a few legitimate question i have for David; i am holding on secular and acceptable language …. even though Islamofacism reminds me butchering of my 60% family. so please let them across….
#David
If you cross check the entire discussion, it was you who introduced Mohammed in this discussion. not me or someone else !
The reference came, when you started condemning Kuldeep using a Jewish name. I have no problem with which religion, or what ever name you uses; or even if you come as a nameless person; as this is a right every person earns in democracy… to represent hims in what ever way he want to represent. Yet i do have a problem with your stand, which is following the lines of Deobandis, Tariq Ramadan or should I say the **moderate** Anjum Chaudri…
As a hindu, I was the 1st one here to oppose Kuldeeps stand, because it was neither secular, nor confined to Human dignity. But where is your commitment to defend Humanity, or what type of secular statement you wanted to make here by praising Islam rather then condemning terrorist attack and genocide perpetrated on name of Islam ?
I disagree with Kuldeep, because I find it barbaric to throw moderate Muslims, who are at right path with barbarians jihadis in Pakistan; but being frank I am not even glad over your reflection of moderateness…. Infact your view port reminds me of a BBC video, which can be located as 1st youtube refence if you google “British Mullah”.
nice but to make bridge, some efforts also need to be made from Muslim side too…. we are sick of Drama like “Global Peace and Anti-terrorism conference”; because there was nothing new in that conference, except defending Islam and blaming the authorities and American-Israel policies… further what we got is intimadation like what Farooq Abdullah today had showed in IBNLive interview throwing entire blame of Jammu.
Before closing, I accept that no religion is perfect and infact Religious bigotry is a threat to Democratic structures…. but where today Hindus speaks against Hindu radicals, so do Christians against Christian radicals, and so do Jews…. this approach is really missing in Islam.. infact what one get is pure denial of it, and surplus a chapter on what is Islam….
Don’t you think that the effort so called Moderate Muslims like you make to teach Islam to non-muslims is somewhere a wrong step at wrong time, because if you put so much effort to educate those which you claim had misinterpreted Islam, then perhaps there will be less Human sufferings. don’t you think that your priority to teach the message of Islam had somewhere gone wrong ?
One more thing.. your comment
>> I m not denying that Pundits in jammu had been discriminated in kashmir and had faced cruel days very ago.
The “Very ago” phrase undermines the sufferings of recent victims; it sounds like you are recognizing the genocide of Buddhist in kashmir during 1948 invasion of Islamist. of those that had fallen decades before… perhaps you need to learn how to apologize in a proper way, before you really say that you personally pay sorry for that.
Greetings.
Comment by PM — August 13, 2008 @ 8:19 pm
“Islamic Jihad In Your Very Own Indian Flavour”
http://islam-watch.org/JihadiUmmah/Indian-Mujahideen.htm
“O Hindus! O disbelieving faithless Indians! Haven’t you still realized that the falsehood of your 33 crore dirty mud idols and the blasphemy of your deaf, dumb, mute and naked idols of ram, krishna and hanuman are not at all going to save your necks, Insha-Allah Allah, from being slaughtered by our hands? Nor is your, fictitious faith in monkeys, pigs and nude statues going to save you from the Wrath of Allah and His Humiliating Pun Punishment punishment.”
DENY THIS
Comment by Voice Of Jammu — August 13, 2008 @ 9:19 pm
http://islam-watch.org/JihadiUmmah/Indian-Mujahideen.htm
We call you, O Hindus, O enemies of Allah, to take an honest stance with y yourselves lest another attack of Ibn ourselves Ibn-e-Qasim sends shivers down your spines, lest another Ghauri shakes your foundations, and lest another Ghaznawi massacres you, proving your blood to be the cheapest of all mankind! Have you forgotten your history full of subjugation, humiliation, and insult? Or do you want us to repeat it again? Take heed before it is too late!
Yes! We – the terrorists of India – THE INDIAN MUJAHIDEEN, – the militia of Islam whose each and every Mujahid belongs to this very soil of India – have returned, to execute the compulsion of Allah
DIGEST IT OR DENY IT
Comment by Voice Of Jammu — August 13, 2008 @ 9:22 pm
piss on Indian gadhauddins……
Comment by chandra — August 13, 2008 @ 10:02 pm
Mr. Sid, A word from a shopkeeper breeded hatred for years…. 7 years old Sid carrying hatred for 20 years and asking the people to whom land belongs to leave it and live like nomads. You have been in Kashmir and have seen what being a nomad means, ” Pandits “.
Down to the facts: Who are you to give a verdict of expelling Kashmiri’s from the place their generation have learnt to breathe and where they have taken their first breath of life. I am an Indiian but who am I to decide fate of the people of a land who I claim to be a part of me.
I too have an experience that provoked me to reply to this comment, though, older than your age than your experience. I asked a Kashmiri friend whether he is an Indian or Pakistani. He said, if being a Pakistani means being pious (what it literally stands for), Yes, I am but if it is a piece of land than ” no chance”.
Whom are you trying to alienate from Kashmir?.
How do you define a place without its people, ” Kashmir without Kashmiris”
Kid you are commenting “extremism” and I pity that you blame Kashmiri’s of being extremists.
Comment by Somnath Raina — August 13, 2008 @ 11:23 pm
dunt kno how to represent u ..coz u not a hindu even as i belive evry religion preaches to respect other religions ….so Mr.Infidel
you said wrong about our religion …now u will be thinkin who i m …well i m a revert to islam coz this religion impressed me a lot and gives reasons for everything…but then don’t u think you are a communist ..have heard about communilism in india ..but then u are real and live example …havent heard a single muslim writing anything wrong about any religion how can u then …? and had it been a problem with islam ..then my dear you would had been dead hundreds of years ago as kashmir has always in muslim majority …but then islam neva preches violence thts why u saying these things coz we give u right to speech …u able to move freely coz islam prohibits supression ….you able to abuse us at our face coz we believe in eradicating violence and not the criminal ..you able to write anything against us coz we have enough confidence in our selves to answer your every question …so mr..who so ever …ask …where u have got the difficulty in understanding my religion …coz if u think wrong about my religion its a curse on me as well ..as i need to educate u …seee this is ISLAM….
Comment by peter — August 14, 2008 @ 12:21 am
@Tathagata Mukherjee
i said u 2 verify the fact.u cant deny what thousands of sites say. can you?
@voice of jammu
why dont u counter d facts i asked u to in ‘those who donot want facilities to amarnath pilgrims”?
Comment by zahir — August 14, 2008 @ 3:26 am
hello everyone
I Think all the muslims with wrong aliases got the message home…. They visited and checked http://www.faithfreedom.org now it is up to them to listen to mullas or the muslims that have left Islam. Now at least it is there choice and they have to decide with cool and logical head. I wish good luck to all of them.
Dinosaurs once ruled the earth and they were most powerful. Even with their little intellect they would have never thought they will go extinct one but they are extinct now. The fact is the same will be fate of ISLAM it is just a matter of time. Movement has started in that direction and is started by EX-Muslims themselves.
Rest of all great job… adios, bye and happiness to you now and for ever. I am sure my words / comments will stay here and will be available for others to read.
BTW USA pandit jee can call me I live in California. And was in kashmir last year too…. To tell u fact kashmir has become hell on earth ask ur davids and others.
Those who understand kashmiri and for Kashmiri muslims the fact is: — “aanim soi wavim soi lagim soi panasi” that is muslim tragidy. this can be related to both Terrorism / gun culture and Islam.
To others who agree with the Ex-Muslims be it kashmiri pandits, hindus, christians or even muslims for that matter even just any human …. please cut and paste web site http://www.faithfreedom.org and write about and spread the word in as many forums as you can. we all have to work together and the world has to wake up.
Thanks moderator for deleting some of my harsh words I get emotional and carried away, especially when I think about my muslim brothers whom we need to save from ISLAM…..AMIN —
Bye
Kuldeep Trisal
Comment by Kuldeep Trisal — August 14, 2008 @ 3:39 am
You no what ur problem is you dun know the true meaning of democracy,unity,strength..people like you are responsible 4 communal clashes going over here …If u try n allow ur mind to think itz we kashmiris,we muslims who r being targetd not hindus n 4 wat would dey b targeted coz majority comprises of u ppl na…We jus demand freedom n wat we get…. deaths???????DEATHS OF INNOCENT PEOPLE
If we start thinking like you Ahhh den we wont allow u to conduct ur yatra…we wont evn allow you to enter our jannat..n leme me make a point kashmir alone is a jannat we dun need to add jammu to it…got it..I jus wana say luk deeper prespective of life n den react..We r fighting 4 no reason .Itz jus the bad politics goin on n we people r being taken 4 granted…Atleast we should try n bring peace to our state.letz get united n bring peace n progress to J&K..Inshallah!!!!
Comment by Eva — August 14, 2008 @ 3:41 am
total fuss.u better stop blogging
Comment by zaid — August 14, 2008 @ 3:41 am
Mr Rajesh, Mr Somnath, & Mr Pm
Thank you very much for coming in this blog and thanks for taking time from ur precious time to comment in this blog and thanks for ur secular commenting and making efforts to draw the bridge between Non Muslim Brothers and Muslims. I m not getting angry abt the rashness and abt the words they are using.
They have suffered a lot and it is our duty to make their hereafter life more secure and enjoyable. But at the same time it is unfortunate that they are abusing other faiths and other communities which are dangerous.
We have to take concrete steps to make them knowledgeable and tolerant. With the help of god and also with the companionship of urs we will definitely get the success. This blog gave us platform to make our angry brothers very close to us who by the cruel hand of time had aparted from us. Their anger and abusing gave me another reason to smile, because who so ever is hard from outer is very soft from inner side. If we analyze these persons psychologically, they are easy to mould and eager to know facts.
Mr Rajesh I thank you once again for putting another issue related the Independent Kashmir (Without the interference of India & Pakistan). I find it very worthy to be discussed and I personally invite Pandit friends and brothers to discuss this issue with free and fair mind. Becoz it is the core issue which can give us reasons to smile.
Mr Peter,
Thanks for commenting and plz be on the blog regularly. We all need every positive and secular persons support to eradicate dirt from our minds.
Regards
David
Comment by David — August 14, 2008 @ 4:45 am
Today Islamic Lesson 14/08/2008
Generosity, Clemency and Conduct
Abdullah ibn Amr narrated:
“Allah’s Messenger (s.a.a.w.) neither spoke in an insulting manner nor did he ever speak evil intentionally. He used to say, ‘The most beloved to me among you is the one who has the best character and manners.’” (Narrated by Al-Bukhari)
AbuHurayrah narrated that the Prophet (s.a.a.w.) said:
“The most Perfect believer in respect of faith is he who is best of them in manners.”
(Narrated by Abu-Dawood)
Qatadah ibn Malik narrated that Zayd ibn Ilaqah related on the authority of his uncle, Qatadah ibn Malik, that the Prophet (s.a.a.w.) would supplicate:
“O Allah, I seek Your protection against undesirable manners, acts, and desires.” (Transmitted by Al-Tirmithi.)
Anas ibn Malik narrated:
“I was walking with the messenger of Allah (s.a.a.w.) and he was wearing a mantle of Najran with a thick border. A Bedouin met him and pulled the mantle so violently that I saw this violent pulling had left marks from its border on the skin of the neck of the Messenger of Allah (s.a.a.w.). And he (the Bedouin) said: Muhammad!, command that I should be given out of the wealth of Allah which is at your disposal. The Messenger of Allah (s.a.a.w.) turned to him and smiled, and then he ordered for him a provision.”
He also narrated:
“Eighty men from the men of Makkah descended upon the Messenger of Allah (s.a.a.w.) from the mountain of Al-Taneem, in [full] armor, with the intent of doing battle with him. He (Muhammad, s.a.a.w.) captured them peaceably and then did not kill them” (Narrated by Muslim)
A pagan by the name of Zaid ibn Sa’ana came to the Messenger of Allah (s.a.a.w.) in order to collect a debt. When he drew near Muhammad (s.a.a.w.) he wrenched him by his clothes violently, exposing his shoulder, and spoke rudely at him. Finally, he said: “You sons of AbdulMuttalib are all a procrastinating lot.” Immediately, Umar ibn Al-Khattab leapt at him chastising and rebuking him harshly, all the while the Messenger of Allah (s.a.a.w.) looked on smiling. Then the Prophet (s.a.a.w.) said to Umar: “He and I were in need of other than this O Umar; You should have commanded me to excel in my repayment, and have commanded him to excel in his request for repayment.” He (Muhammad, s.a.a.w.) said: “There [still] remains in his term three [days]” He (Muhammad, s.a.a.w.) then commanded Umar to see to his recompensation and to increase him twenty ’saa’ (weights) as compensation for the terrorization he had endured (from Umar). This man later became a Muslim” (Narrated by Al-Bayhaqi, ibn Habban, and Al-Tabarani)
Anas ibn Malik said:
“Allah’s Messenger (s.a.a.w.) had the best disposition amongst people. He sent me (when I was a child) on an errand one day, and I said: By Allah, I would not go. I had, however, this idea in my mind that I would do as Allah’s Apostle (s.a.a.w.) had commanded me to do. I went out until I happened to come across children who had been playing in the street. In the meanwhile, Allah’s Messenger (s.a.a.w.) came there and he caught me by the back of my neck from behind me. As I looked towards him I found him smiling and he said: Unays, did you go where I told you to go? I said: Allah’s Messenger, yes, I am going. Anas further said: I served him for nine years but I know not that he ever chastised me about a thing which I had done why I did that, or about a thing I had left as to why I had not done that.” (Narrated by Muslim)
In another narration, he said:
“I served the Prophet (s.a.a.w.) at Madinah for ten years. I was a boy. Every work that I did was not according to the desire of my master, but he never said to me: Fie!, nor did he say to me: Why did you do this? or Why did you not do this?” (Narrated by Abu-Dawood)
Ibne Malik also said:
“No one was more beloved to us than the Messenger of Allah (s.a.a.w.), [however], if we saw him we would not stand up for him for we knew how much he disliked [for us to do so]. And on one occasion someone called to him saying: ‘O best of mankind …’ He replied: ‘That is Abraham, peace be upon him’ ” (Narrated by Muslim)
Adi ibn Hatim al-Ta’ee came to the Prophet Muhammad (s.a.a.w.) to ask about Islam, so Muhammad (s.a.a.w.) invited him to his home. When they sat down, a small girl brought a pillow to the Messenger of Allah (s.a.a.w.), however, he placed it between him and Adi and sat on the ground. Adi later said: “[When I saw that] I knew that he was not a king”
It was also narrated that Muhammad (s.a.a.w.) once said:
“I am but a servant, I eat as the servant eats, and I sit as the servant sits”
Muhammad (s.a.a.w.) would tie his own camel, feed his own animal, eat with the servants, knead dough with them, and carry his own groceries from the market.
Comment by David — August 14, 2008 @ 4:58 am
Here is ur Mohamad….
Since September 11, 2001, there have been over 11,000 terrorist attacks, resulting in the deaths of hundreds of thousands of civilians and a lot more injuries, throughout the world. The perpetrators of these attacks were not monsters; they were Muslims. They were pious people who believed and acted in accordance with their faith. There are millions more who think like them and are ready to do the same.
If you think Islamic terrorism is a new phenomenon, think again. Islam owes its success to terrorism. The prophet of Islam boasted, “I have been made victorious with terror”. [Bukhari: 4.52. 220] Since the day Muhammad set foot in Medina, he started his campaign of terror. His followers have been doing the same ever since.
Muslims are intolerant, supremacist, bullies, and violent. They are highly inflammable and can explode if they are not treated preferentially and with respect. At the same time, they abuse others and violate the rights of people of other faiths. This is psychopathology.
To understand Muslims, one must understand their prophet. Muslims worship and emulate Muhammad. Islam is Muhammadanism. Only by understanding him can one know what makes them tick.
Understanding Muhammad is a psychobiography of Allah’s Prophet. It seeks to unveil the mystery of that man. Historians tell us Muhammad used to withdraw to a cave, spending days wrapped in his thoughts. He heard bells ringing and had ghostly visions. He thought he was demon possessed, until his wife reassured him he had become a prophet. Convinced of his status, he was intolerant of those who rejected him, assassinated those who criticized him, raided, looted, and massacred entire populations. He reduced thousands to slavery, raped, and allowed his men to rape female captives. All of this, he did with a clear conscience and a sense of entitlement.
He was magnanimous toward those who admired him, but vengeful toward those who did not. He believed he was the most perfect human creation and the universe’s raison d’être. Muhammad was no ordinary man. He was a narcissist.
Understanding Muhammad, ventures beyond the stories. Focusing on the “why” rather than the “what,” it unravels the mystique of one of the most enigmatic and influential men in history.
Muhammad believed in his own cause. He was so certain of the reality of his hallucinations that he expected everyone to believe too. He would make his Allah indignantly ask “What! Do you then dispute with him [Muhammad] as to what he saw?” (Q.53:12) This is psychopathology. Why should others believe in what he saw? Wasn’t it up to him to prove what he saw was real? Only a narcissist expects others to believe in his claims without asking for evidence.
Muhammad was an orphan. Spurned by his mother in his infancy and left in the care of a Bedouin couple, he had a loveless childhood. He then passed to the care of his grandfather and uncle who took pity on him and spoiled him. Not receiving love at a time he needed unconditional love and not receiving discipline when he needed to learn about boundaries, he developed narcissistic personality disorder, a trait that made him a megalomaniac bereft of conscience. He fantasized about unlimited power, expected praise and admiration, believed he was special, and expected others to believe him and go along with his ideas and plans. He took advantage of others, was jealous, yet believed others were jealous of him, and was extremely hurt when rejected, even killing those who deserted him. He lied and deceived, feeling entitled and justified in doing so. All these are traits of narcissistic personality disorder.
Thanks to another mental illness, temporal lobe epilepsy, the prophet of Islam had vivid hallucinations he interpreted as mystical and divine intimations. When he claimed he heard voices, saw angels and other ghostly entities, he was not lying. His problem was that he could not distinguish reality from fantasy.
He also suffered from obsessive compulsive disorder, causing his fixations on numbers, rituals and stringent rules. This explains why he lived such an austere life and why his religion is filled with so many absurd rules.
Normal Footprint Muhammad had fleshy and swelled hands and feet. His footprint shows he had acromegaly.
In the later years of his life Muhammad was affected by acromegaly, a disease caused by excessive production of a growth hormone, resulting in large bones, cold and fleshy hands and feet and coarse facial features such as enlarged lips, nose and tongue. Acromegaly occurs after the age of 40 and usually kills the patient in his early 60s. It causes impotence, while it increases libido. This explains Muhammad’s sexual vagaries in his old age and why in the later years of his life he had such an insatiable craving for sex. He would visit all his 9 wives in one night to touch and fondle them, without being satisfied. His impotence explains his insecurity, paranoia, and intense jealousy of his young wives. He ordered them to cover themselves, lest other men would cast a lusting eye on them. Today, half a billion Muslim women veil themselves, because Muhammad was impotent. Muhammad’s illnesses explain a lot of mysteries of Islam.
The combination of all these psychological disorders and his unusual physiognomy made Muhammad a phenomenon that set him apart from ordinary people. His uneducated followers interpreted his differences as signs of his prophethood. Like devotees of all cults, they rose to champion his cause with dedication. By defying death and butchering others they made Islam the world’s second largest religion, now the biggest threat to world peace and the survival of human civilization.
Why is it important to know Muhammad? Because over a billion people try to be like him and do as he did. Consequently, the insanity of one man is bequeathed to all his followers. It is by understanding him that we can see through them, and be able to predict these unpredictable people.
We live in a dangerous time. When a fifth of humanity worships a psychopath, eulogizes suicide bombing and thinks killing and martyrdom are ultimate acts of piety, the world becomes a dangerous place. When these people acquire the atomic bomb, the earth becomes a powder keg.
Islam is a cult. It is time for mankind to wake up and realize that this cult is a threat to mankind and there can be no co-existence with Muslims. As long as Muslims believe in Muhammad, they are a threat to others and to themselves. Muslims must either leave Islam, leave their culture of hate and join the rest of mankind as fellow humans, or non-Muslims must separate themselves from them, ban Islam, end the immigration of Muslims and send home those who plot against democracy and refuse to integrate.
Islam is incompatible with democracy. It is a warring creed that uses democracy to destroy it and to establish itself as a world wide dictatorship. The only way to avert the clash between this barbarity and civilization, a world disaster, is to expose the fallacy of Islam and demystify it. Muslims must be weaned from Islam for humanity to live in peace.
Understanding Muhammad is imperative for both Muslims and non-Muslims. This book makes that task easy.
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Ali Sina is the author of Understanding Muhammad: A psychobiography of Allah’s Prophet [ISBN: 978-0980994803]. He is the founder of faithfreedom.org, the organ of the movement of ex-Muslims that tries to unveil the truth about Islam to the world and help Muslims leave it, abandon their culture of hate and join mankind in amity.
Comment by Kuldeep Trisal — August 14, 2008 @ 5:16 am
have fun… with Islam
Question no. 1
Muhammad married Ayesha when she was 6-years old and consumed his marriage with her when she was 9-years-old. How could a 54 year-old man calling himself the messenger God have sexual feelings for a 9-year-old girl?
1- Ayatollah Montazeri
In those days the tradition of Marriage was based on tribal customs and rituals. The objective of marriage was mainly to foster friendship with the father of the bride and therefore the marriage of the Prophet with Ayesha was a political move.
Sina.
This is not a good excuse to marry an underage child. I am not bothered of the marriage of the prophet with a daughter of Abu Bakr, but the fact that Ayesha was a child. It is not proper for a messenger of God to have sexual feelings for a little girl and it is unconscionable to act on them. In this day and age if a 54-year-old man has an intercourse with a 9-year-old girl he will be jailed and despised as a pedophile. Why should the Prophet be forgiven?
2. Ayatollah Montazeri.
The Prophet at the age of 25 married Khadijah, a woman who was 40-years-old and did not marry with another woman as long as she was alive. If the Prophet was a lustful man, he would not have married with an older woman and stay faithful to her all her life.
Sina:
Khadijah was a wealthy woman and the Prophet was a poor employee of her. Marrying a wealthy woman for him was climbing the ladder of social status. At that age, he was an orphan boy with little ambitions. Being a poor young man, no one paid attention to him. Kadijah was to him a boon. She gave him the comfort and the ease of mind from financial worries. Now he could afford to retreat to his cave and let his imagination fly; meet Jinns, battle with Satan, converse with Gabriel, and other creatures that haunted his feeble mind.
The fact that he remained faithful to Khadijah was not due to his chastity or loyalty but because she was a powerful woman and would not have tolerated infidelity from him. At that time Muhammad had no followers and he would have lost everything if he had offended his wealthy wife. That would have destroyed him completely.
However, he showed his true colors when he came to power and virtually nothing could stop him from doing what he pleased. It was then that he broke all the norms of the decency by the leave of his Allah.
3- Ayatollah Montazeri.
The Prophets intention in marrying numerous old and widowed women, apart from sociopolitical considerations, was to foster their social status. Those were the days when women, especially slave girls, had little or no value and ignorance was such that they used to burry their daughters alive.
Sina.
The Prophet married Khadijah, as I explained above, for her wealth. After her death he married Ayesha who was only 6 years old and due to Abu Bakr’s request did not consummate his marriage with her for three years. During this time he needed a woman and the non-believers would not marry him as they thought he was a lunatic. Among his handful of followers there were few eligible women to whom he could marry. Sauda was a Muslim woman and a widow. She was ideal under the circumstances. She could warm his bed and take care of his home and needs. He married her two months after the death of Kahdijah. Khadijah and Sauda were the only wives of the Prophet, with whom he married not for lust but out of necessity. Hafza, the daughter of Omar also may have not been very beautiful according to her own father and the Prophet may have married her to please him and for political reasons. Every one of his other wives was a beautiful virgin or a beautiful divorcee or widow. Majority, if not all of them were in their teens. Prophet married them or simply slept with them without marrying them only because of their looks. Some times he had to bend few rules and even bring Allah to reveal some verses for him in order to allow him get what he wanted. As was in the case of Zeinab Bent Jahsh, Maryah and Ayesha. None of his wives were suffering from malnutrition or were lonely poor widows prior to marrying him. The stories of Safiyah, Maryah and Zeinab are love stories, flavored with lust, betrayal and crime.
You also correctly described the deplorable condition of the slave girls in those days, but you forgot to mention that many of these slave girls were free people before the Prophet took away their freedom and reduced them into slaves. Are you saying that the slave girls should have been grateful to the Prophet for killing their loved ones and sell them in the markets to a Muslim who would use them as a maid and a sex slave?
4- Ayatollah Montazeri
The marriage of the Prophet with Ayesha took place in the first or second year of the Hijra at the insistence of her father Abu Bakr and some of his friends. The Prophet, for sometimes after the death of Khadijah, remained single. His main objective in accepting this marriage was for political reasons. The reason for this marriage was that the Prophet was under the intense pressure by his enemies like Abu Lahab and Abu Jahl and was completely dependant of the protection of other tribes. Abu Bakr had a lot of tribal influence. And rejecting his offer, in those conditions, for the Prophet was not prudent. In reality this marriage was symbolic and not to satisfy his sexual instinct, because, as a rule a 53-year-old man cannot have sexual feelings for a 9-year-old girl.
Sina
The Prophet did not marry Ayesha at the insistence of her father. There are many Hadithes that show it was the Prophet who desired Ayesha and asked Abu Bakr to give him his then 6-year-old daughter for marriage. In fact Abu Barkr was shocked by such a request. He objected that he was a foster brother to the Prophet, which would have made such a marriage illicit. But the Prophet dismissed his concern saying that they were not real blood brothers and their oath of brotherhood was of no relevance in this case.
Sahih Bukhari 7.18
Narrated ‘Ursa:
The Prophet asked Abu Bakr for ‘Aisha’s hand in marriage. Abu Bakr said “But I am your brother.” The Prophet said, “You are my brother in Allah’s religion and His Book, but she (Aisha) is lawful for me to marry.”
Arabs were a primitive lot with little rules to abide. Yet they had some code of ethics that they honored scrupulously. For example, although they fought all the year round, they abstained from hostilities during certain holy months of the year. They also considered Mecca to be a holy city and did not make war against it. A foster son’s wife was deemed to be a daughter-in-law and they would not marry her. Also it was costmary that close friends made a pact of brotherhood and considered each other as true brothers. The Prophet disregarded all of these rules anytime they stood between him and his interests or wishes.
Abu Bakr and Muhammad had pledged to each other to be brothers. So according to their costumes Ayesha was supposed to be like a niece to the Holy Prophet. Yet that did not stop him to ask her hand even when she was only six years old.
But this moral relativist Prophet would use the same excuse to reject the daughter of Hamza who was also a foster brother to the Prophet because she was not very pretty.
Sahih Bukhari V.7, B62, N. 37
Narrated Ibn ‘Abbas:
It was said to the Prophet, “Won’t you marry the daughter of Hamza?” He said, “She is my foster niece (brother’s daughter). ”
In the following Hadith the Prophet confided to Ahesha that he had dreamed of her before asking her hand from her father.
Sahih Bukhari 9.140
Narrated ‘Aisha:
Allah’s Apostle said to me, “You were shown to me twice (in my dream) before I married you. I saw an angel carrying you in a silken piece of cloth, and I said to him, ‘Uncover (her),’ and behold, it was you. I said (to myself), ‘If this is from Allah, then it must happen.’ Then you were shown to me, the angel carrying you in a silken piece of cloth, and I said (to him), ‘Uncover (her), and behold, it was you. I said (to myself), ‘If this is from Allah, then it must happen.’ ”
The excuse that this marriage was “political” can be also dismissed easily. Abu Bakr was a good friend of the Prophet; he was one of his followers and his foster brother, he belonged to the same tribe of the Prophet; there was no need for the Apostle of Allah to sleep with his little daughter in order to foster his friendship. The evidence shows that the holy Prophet took advantage of this man’s devotion and abused the trust that he had in him and coerced him into giving his little girl in marriage to him. How could you deny the request of a man whom you believe to be a messenger of God?
Abu Jahl (the father of ignorance) was a derogatory nicknames given to Abul Hakam (the father of erudiciton). It’s difficult to see in what ways sleeping with a 9-year-old girl would have protected the Prophet from him? As you said this marriage took place one or two years after Hijra. His enemies were in Mecca. Even if such a marriage could have protected the Prophet, which is absurd, he was already safe in Medina, so that alibi is unacceptable.
Anyway, the point is not that the Prophet married a daughter of Abu Bakr. The point is that he had sex with a 9-year-old child. If you say it was done to protect himself, then the Prophet was an opportunist who raped a little girl to save his own life. Please don’t say it was not rape because a 9-year-old child is not mature enough to consent and if she cannot consent it is rape. Your defense incriminates the messenger of Allah even more than my accusations.
You said that the marriage was symbolic. How symbolic it could be if the Prophet approached Ayesha when she, according to her own testimony, was still playing with her toys and gave her a completely different kind of toy to play with that “SURPRISED” that little girl?
Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 90
Narrated Aisha:
When the Prophet married me, my mother came to me and made me enter the house (of the Prophet) and NOTHING SURPRISED ME BUT THE COMING OF ALLAH’S APOSTLE TO ME IN THE FORENOON.
You wrote, “As a rule a 53-year-old man cannot have sexual feelings for a 9-year-old girl.” That is absolutely true. This is precisely my point. Unfortunately we are not living in a perfect world and there are people who are psychologically disturbed and violate the rules. Even today there are old men who fantasize having sex with small children, keep their photos and exchange them on the Internet. They are known as pedophiles and to protect our children we put them in jail. If the Prophet hadn’t “surprised” that little girl in the same forenoon that her mother took her to his house, I could have accepted that the marriage was “symbolic”, even though its merits are not clear. But when we see that the Apostle of Allah consummated his marriage with that little girl in the same day that she was taken to him, it is hard to see it as “symbolic”; symbol of what?
5- Ayatollah Montazeri.
There is no doubt that the climatic conditions influence the physical and psychological growth of girls and their growth are more accelerated in hot climates.
Sina:
In the previous point you explained that the marriage was symbolic and “as a rule a 53-year-old man cannot have sexual feelings for a 9-year-old girl”. But now you are approaching from a totally different angle.
I am afraid 9-year-old girls in Arabia are still 9-year-old children. Unless you advance a scientific evolutionary theory that human race has undergone a huge mutation during these 1400 years and in those days women reached adulthood at the age of 9, the fact remains that the Prophet had sexual feelings for an underage girl and this was wrong. To be convinced that 9-year-old children were always children, even during the time of the Prophet, we do not have to look farther than another Hadith narrated by Ayesha herself. In the following hadith Ayesha is revealing that she was playing on a swing when her mother took her to the Prophet.
Sunan Abu-Dawud Book 41, Number 4915, also Number 4915 and Number 4915
Narrated Aisha, Ummul Mu’minin:
The Apostle of Allah (pbuh) married me when I was seven or six. When we came to Medina, some women came, according to Bishr’s version: Umm Ruman came to me when I was swinging. They took me, made me prepared and decorated me. I was then brought to the Apostle of Allah (pbuh), and he took up cohabitation with me when I was nine. She halted me at the door, and I burst into laughter.
And used to play with her dolls.
Sahih Bukhari Volume 8, Book 73, Number 151
Narrated ‘Aisha:
I used to play with the dolls in the presence of the Prophet, and my girl friends also used to play with me. When Allah’s Apostle used to enter (my dwelling place) they used to hide themselves, but the Prophet would call them to join and play with me. (The playing with the dolls and similar images is forbidden, but it was allowed for ‘Aisha at that time, as she was a little girl, not yet reached the age of puberty.) (Fateh-al-Bari page 143, Vol.13)
Sahih Muslim Book 008, Number 3327:
‘A’isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported that Allah’s Apostle (may peace be upon him) married her when she was seven years old, and he was taken to his house as a bride when she was nine, and her dolls were with her; and when he (the Holy Prophet) died she was eighteen years old.
As a rule one would say that if she was still playing with her dolls, she was not mature enough to learn about sex, first hand, from a man who could be her grandfather.
6- Ayatollah Montazeri.
The difference of age between men, and the women they married, in the primitive societies, was acceptable and customary. Also it was not indecent or lewd for older men to marry very young girls and people of those days did not deem that to be something immoral. Even up to this day, one can find marriages with very young girls among the Arabs. As a rule one should not compare the customs of the primitive and tribal societies with the customs of the modern and advanced societies of today.
Sina
I agree that primitive societies had some customs that are shocking to our modern sensitivity. Primitive people did a lot of things that appall us today. They had, human and animal sacrifices; practiced gender discrimination, slavery and many forms of abuses of human rights. I am not condemning primitive societies for they did not know better. I am condemning modern people who follow those primitive societies by following the examples of a man who was just a product of his primitive society. I am condemning a man who called himself the Prophet of Allah, the “Mercy of God in the worlds” Rahmatu’llah lil Alamin” and the example for all mankind, who instead of setting the example of morality and rectitude followed the customs of his primitive society and thus reaffirmed them and perpetuated them as something to emulate. I am condemning a society that has forgotten its own past splendor and glory and is now trying to copy the customs of a primitive society and wants to establish their primeval precepts by following their prophet who had nothing new to add to that primitive society bur was a product of it.
Yes, we should not compare the customs of the primitive and tribal societies with the customs of the modern and advanced societies of today. But why should we emulate them? Why should we follow them? Why should we accept their prophet who was incapable to break away from that primitiveness, barbarity and savagery?
If the Prophet was truly a prophet, he would have acted differently. He would have not followed the customs of his primitive society but would have set a new standard. If he followed the example of his primitive society why are we following him? On one hand the Muslims of the world study Muhammad’s life meticulously, try to imitate him in everything he did. They dress like him, shave like him, walk like him and talk like him, do as he did and live as he lived. They believe everything he did, was ordained by God and he was sent to be the example to all humanity. Yet you say that he did just what his ignorant and primitive society used to do and we should forgive his sins because he was just a victim of that society. How pitiful are we who have not seen this yet. Look what has befallen to our mighty nation that has forsaken its own past glory and is now blindly following a man who followed the customs of his primitive society. Could we sink deeper than this? Is there any humiliation more denigrating than this?
7- Ayatollah Montazeri
The issues of each time and place must be viewed according to the standards of their own time and place and not according to standards of other times and places. On the other hand we find that the Prophet (pbuh) practically did not confront with many customs of his own time that were not in contrast with the educational and spiritual goals of Islam, but dealt with them gradually and with realism in order to slowly eradicate them.
Sina
I agree that issues should be apprised in the context of to their own time and place. Something that was acceptable 1400 years ago in Arabia may not look that good today. Perhaps we should not judge those people so harshly. But the question is why should we follow them? The solutions that were appropriate then are no more suitable for our time. Why follow a doctrine that has lost its utility and is stuck in history?
Muslims are advised to follow the Sunnah of the Prophet. You say that the Prophet was an Arab, following the traditions of his own people, so what he did was right in that context. But by following him now aren’t we perpetuating those unfit and outdated customs of those Arabs of 1400 years ago?
You affirm that the Prophet did not confront those bad customs that were not in contrast with spiritual and educational goals of Islam. My question is then, what are the spiritual and educational goals of Islam? What is the main goal of Islam anyway? The Muslim’s answer is of course, to recognize that God is one and he does not have any partner and that Muhammad is His messenger. This is the main concern of Islam. Moral and ethical issues are secondary. All the sins can be forgiven. Theft, homicide, murder and pedophilia are forgivable but assigning a partner to God is not.
“Allah forgiveth not that partners should be set up with Him; but He forgiveth anything else, to whom He pleaseth; to set up partners with Allah is to devise a sin Most heinous indeedl” (Q.4: 48).
In other words, Saddam Hussein, Idi Amin, Ben Laden, Khalkhali and Khomeini will be forgiven despite all their crimes because they were Muslims and did not set partners to Allah but Gandhi who was a Hindu and as Muslims claim believed in a multitudes of deities will be burned for eternity in hell.
This Allah must be sick. He is a lunatic and a very miserable being for wanting so desperately to be known by his creatures and being so jealous. If this is the god of Muhammad he is not worthy of any praise but needs to be locked in a mental hospice very urgently.
As to those bad habits of the people that the holy Prophet did not confront directly but tried to deal with them gradually in order to eradicate them, what are they? In our world, pedophilia is a crime. It’s a shame that the Prophet did not consider pedophilia important enough to deal with it immediately because it did not contrast the spiritual goals of Islam. But I would have been still happy if I could see that he at least discouraged it. But no, he did not discourage it at all. He actually endorsed it by himself setting the example. This is not the way to “eradicate” something. This is the way to confirm it, to perpetuate it and to promote it.
Prior to Islam, we Iranians were a cultured people. We did not have these barbaric customs and traditions. Thanks to Islam these shameful traditions have also crept into our culture and are being practiced in our motherland.
Pedophilia is only one of the gifts of Islam to us. The holy Prophet endorsed many traditions that are equally despicable. Assassination of one’s enemies that is now so customary in our country was also a tradition of the Prophet. He used to send assassins to the houses of his enemies to kill them at night. The honorable members of the Islamic Regime of Iran are following that tradition of the messenger of God (peace be upon his immaculate soul)
Comment by Kuldeep Trisal — August 14, 2008 @ 5:21 am
Question: Who is a secular Kashmiri Muslim?
Answer: This breed never existed or is extint, However Kashmiri Muslim uses “SECULAR” word often to his convenience when he is outside Kashmir or in a hindu dominated part of the contry.
Comment by Voice Of Jammu — August 14, 2008 @ 5:24 am
Some more i am open to Muhammad crap…. tried to help u but u keep on going to talking abt islam…. so if u want to cut and paste more I can fill alll the comments with anti muhammad and islam ….. is that the deal or u will stop preaching islam……. here
I will be personally happy to do that for u david u are good at heart and islam has corrupted it with………. PBUN
Question No. 3
The Prophet attacked Kheibar, enslaved Safiyah and raped her in the same day that he killed her husband, father and many of her relatives. Is this how a messenger of God should behave?
Ayatollah Montazeri,
As for the Question concerning Safiyah, it is important to pay attention to the following points.
1- Safiyah was the daughter of Huyah ibn Akhtab the chief of the tribe of Bani Nadir. She had lost her father in the battle of Kheibar and her husband had been killed before the peace treaty. The hostages in those days had very hard and dire life. For this reason according to the recommendation of the prophet (pbuh) the women of the idolaters who were captured in war either married Muslim men who were previously married to other women or became their slaves maids to ascertain their own survival. Polygyny in those days was customary and was the best way for the protection of the women who had not husbands-let alone the women who were hostages.
Sina
Dear Ayatollah Ozma Montazeri,
It is true that Safiyah had lost both her father and her husband and many of her relatives, but you forgot to mention that she lost her loved ones because the Prophet killed them Killing men and stealing their women was the tradition of the cavemen. One would expect that the Prophet of God would not perpetuate the barbaric traits of the cavemen but rather set a new standard of ethical and moral conduct.
You make it sound as if the Prophet was doing these women a favor by marrying them and saving them from their miseries but forget to mentions that it was him who put them in this dire situation in the first place. These women were not hostages before Muhammad raided their towns, killed their loved ones and enslaved them.
What the Prophet did was what the bandits and the brigand used to do in the old days. One must be completely screwed up with his values to see any goodness in this utterly shameful and barbaric act of the Prophet. Killing men and possessing their women were acts of savagery. There is not a single good in such a heinous deed.
If as you say the Prophet wanted to save these poor women from very hardship that they were facing why he did not marry the older women? Why he picked the prettiest of all? Safiyah was chosen because of her looks. Here is the Hadith.
Narrated ‘Abdul ‘Aziz:
Anas said, ‘When Allah’s Apostle invaded Khaibar, we offered the Fajr prayer there yearly in the morning) when it was still dark. The Prophet rode and Abu Talha rode too and I was riding behind Abu Talha. The Prophet passed through the lane of Khaibar quickly and my knee was touching the thigh of the Prophet . He uncovered his thigh and I saw the whiteness of the thigh of the Prophet. When he entered the town, he said, ‘Allahu Akbar! Khaibar is ruined. Whenever we approach near a nation then evil will be the morning of those who have been warned.’ He repeated this thrice. The people came out for their jobs and some of them said, ‘Muhammad (has come).’ (Some of our companions added, “With his army.”) We conquered Khaibar, took the captives, and the booty was collected. Dihya came and said, ‘O Allah’s Prophet! Give me a slave girl from the captives.’ The Prophet said, ‘Go and take any slave girl.’ He took Safiya bint Huyai. A man came to the Prophet and said, ‘O Allah’s Apostles! You gave Safiya bint Huyai to Dihya and she is the chief mistress of the tribes of Quraiza and An-Nadir and she befits none but you.’ So the Prophet said, ‘Bring him along with her.’ So Dihya came with her and when the Prophet saw her, he said to Dihya, ‘Take any slave girl other than her from the captives.’ Anas added: The Prophet then manumitted her and married her.”
Thabit asked Anas, “O Abu Hamza! What did the Prophet pay her (as Mahr)?” He said, “Her self was her Mahr for he manumitted her and then married her.” Anas added, “While on the way, Um Sulaim dressed her for marriage (ceremony) and at night she sent her as a bride to the Prophet . (Sahih Bukhari 1.367)
From the above Hadith we learn that the raid of Khaibar was a bolt from the blue. The people of the town were not warned and were not prepared for this foray. It was typical of the Prophet not to let his victims to defend themselves. He would attack them dishonorably with no warning. In fact the name Quzvah means nothing but “sudden attack”. Khaibar broke no treaty with the Prophet; there was not any sign that they would endanger the Muslims. The only reason that the Prophet invaded that town, killed whoever stood in his way and took the pretty women as sex-slaves was that he needed their wealth.
The holy Prophet did not stop at that, he even forced those elderly men and women whom he did not kill and did not take as sex slaves to toll the land and give him 50% of the proceeds. Any person with a grain of fairness would know that this is not justice. What the Prophet did was unholy and satanic.
Ayatollah Montazeri,
2- After Safiyah became a hostage, there were a few people who wanted to marry her. But since she was the daughter of the chief of the tribe, the Prophet in consideration of he social status, did not allow others to marry her. Safiyah herself was reluctant to marry ordinary people. Therefore the Prophet (pbuh) for the sake of protecting Safiyah, accepted to marry her. The Prophet gave Safiyah the choice to return to her relatives or stay in Medina and embrace Islam. And told her that if she wanted to remain a Jew he would not impose Islam on her. Safiyah chose the latter. The historians agree that being a wife of the Prophet was a great privilege and was regarded with high esteem. The Holy Quran (Ahzab:6) calls the wives of the Prophet as “Mother of the Believers”
Sina
As for the Safiyah, it is evident that the Prophet took her for one reason only that was because she was a beautiful woman. Muhammad took it away from Dahya after seeing her. It had nothing to do with the position of her father. If the Prophet had any regards for her father and his position he would not have slew him. The truth is manifest as the sun. You are free to close your eyes and deny it.
You said that the Prophet gave Safiyah the choice to join her people or follow her. The Prophet killed her father, her husband and many of her relatives. Those who were left were to work the land and pay 50% of their income to the Prophet as Jazyeh. Even then the Prophet changed his mind in a short period of time and expelled all the Jews from Khaibar. So the choice you are talking about was not much of a choice. It was the choice between pleasing sexually an old fetid man who was the murderer of her loved ones or joining a bunch of old men and women who were neither warriors nor young enough to serve as sex slaves to the followers of the Prophet. In the first case she had the chance to live but if she joined her people her fate was uncertain, she had to work in the fields and pay half of the proceeds to Muhammad (pbuh). There is not much choice here.
Being a wife of the Prophet may have had its prestige. However, I believe it is much preferable to live with one’s loved ones than with their murderer; even if that murderer is the Prophet of Allah.
Ayatollah Montazeri,
3- If the Messenger of Allah –God forbid- was a lustful man he would not married a 40-year-old woman in his youth when he had the chance to marry with the best of girls of the noble tribes of Arabs. On the other hand, people who are lustful are also inclined towards luxuries and gluttony and are attracted towards other pleasures and gratification that life can offer. While as history has recorded the Prophet and his wives had a very modest and low in accordance to their own time, to the extent that his wives complained and put the Prophet under the pressure. In this connection the Ahzab 28,29 was revealed and gave his wives the choice to stay with the Prophet and endure the poverty or divorce and go for the comfortable life of the world.
Sina
The messenger of Allah WAS a lustful man. But when he was young he was poor and no one paid much attention to him. No young girl with noble linage would have married a pauper like Muhammad who was running after the Camels of another woman. The Prophet had no chance to marry a beautiful young woman. Kadijah with her wealth and power was a boon to the Prophet that changed his life completely. The true nature of the Prophet became evident when Khadijah died and he became powerful by raiding the merchant Caravans. It was then that he started to amass wealth and women.
Muhammad was not a wealthy man when he immigrated to Medina. Khadijah must have lost most of her possessions during the three hard years when the Meccan boycotted the Prophet and his family to retaliate against his continuous taunting of their deities. His first year in Medina was very hard. He had very little money to live on. His robbery attempts at several merchant caravans were all aborted. It was only at Nakhlah that by treachery he could steal the caravan and enrich himself with the booty. It took him several more of these forays and the genocide of the Jews and the confiscation of their properties to amass a lot of wealth.
And He made you heirs of their lands, their houses, and their goods, and of a land which ye had not frequented (before). And Allah has power over all things. (Q.33: 27)
But the Prophet had very little regards for his wives and would not give them what they wanted. That is why when they complained he threatened to divorce them and it is true that at one time Muhammad’s wives complained because he would not give them enough of the wealth that he used to steal from the un-believers. It is in continuation of the above verse that the Prophet makes his Alah says
O Prophet! Say to thy Consorts: “If it be that ye desire the life of this World, and its glitter,- then come! I will provide for your enjoyment and set you free in a handsome manner.(Q.33: 28)
But if ye seek Allah and His Messenger, and the Home of the Hereafter, verily Allah has prepared for the well-doers amongst you a great reward.(Q.33: 29)
The Prophet was a master manipulator and knew how to control his wives and make obey him and be at his service.
Comment by Kuldeep Trisal — August 14, 2008 @ 5:28 am
Mr Kuldeep,
Almighty allah says in the holy Quran……
When truth comes infront of the falsehood, falsehood perishes and falsehood is by it nature bound to perish.
just consult word by word what you have written, it is just false hood and it will perish.
It is only you in this blog that you are quoting this Ali sina (may almighty Allah bring him on true path and bring him to justice) and it is world over know that its writing is controversial and false. A long lecture of Dr Zakir Naik i savailable for this you should contact IRF Mumbai for materials.
Tomorrows Islamic Lesson will be on Prophet Mohammad In sacred Scluptures of hindu religion.
Regards
David
Comment by David — August 14, 2008 @ 5:31 am
Message to KULDEEP TRISAL:
Kuldeep dont lose your heart and dont get emotional. You are fighting and enemy in this case its the Islamic Fundamentalists (KASHMIRI MUSLIMS) so what if you offend few with your thoughts.
The same have done so in public blaring from Masjids day and night can some one deny this even the so called Davids and other hiding real identity who are all produce of “WEAK WOMB”.
Carry on friend
Comment by Voice Of Jammu — August 14, 2008 @ 5:38 am
DOES ISLAM PROMOTE PEACE?
My recent one-page article: “Islam: More than a Religion” has inspired a lot of emails—some positive, some negative. Whether you are for or against what I have written, I appreciate hearing from you. God has given me a deep love and a burden for Muslims. My wife and I have hundreds of friends and acquaintances who are Muslims. Since “9-11″, many non-Muslims in the West have been quizzing me on Islam—the most common question being, “Is Islam a religion of peace?” I confess that I do not know everything there is to know about Islam, but based on two decades of living in a majority-Muslim country and hundreds (perhaps thousands) of hours spent studying the Qur’an and other Islamic source materials, let me attempt to answer this question from an Evangelical Christian perspective.
The Arabic word for peace is salaam—a word included in the Arabic/Muslim greetings. Islam is Arabic for surrender or submission. Muslim means one who submits. For many non-Muslims, the word Muslim is synonymous with angry mobs and suicidal bombers. Such stereotyping of Muslims is patently wrong. Most Muslims are ordinary, peace-loving people with their own set of dreams and problems and should be treated with the same respect we give to any other fellow human being.
For the record, let me say that Jesus Christ taught his followers to “love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you.” (Injil, Matthew 5:44 NKJV). Notwithstanding Jesus’s clear teaching and example, over the centuries, much violence and evil has been committed by those who call themselves “Christians”. Just as there are many who call themselves Muslims who do not live according to the teachings of Muhammad, it is safe to say that many who call themselves “Christians” do not live according to the teachings of Christ.
Let me also say that I can identify with Muslims around the world who are upset with the shameful moral standards portrayed in so many American movies and other media forms which often glamorize violence and normalize anti-family/anti-God values. While there are still multitudes of people in the West who lead godly lives and enjoy close, loving family relationships, the media tends to ignore such examples, choosing rather to publicize the amoral ones. Unfortunately, many mistakenly equate such permissiveness and evil with “Christianity.” Nothing could be further from what Christ taught and exemplified. While it is true that the American nation was founded on Christian principles, the USA is not a “Christian nation”. In the strict sense of the word, it is wrong to speak of any country as a “Christian nation” since Jesus Christ said, “My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, My servants would fight, so that I should not be delivered to the Jews; but now My kingdom is not from here.” (John 18:36) The only “Christian nation” acknowledged in the Bible is made up of helpless sinners from “every tribe and tongue and people and nation” (Revelation 5:9) who have been “born again” (See Injil, John 3) or “saved” (See Romans chapters 3 to 5, and 10) by believing the Good News of the prophets concerning GOD’S WAY of Salvation. True Christianity is not a RELIGION, but a RELATIONSHIP with God through Jesus Christ. I’ll comment on this further at the end of this article.
Now let us get on with our subject: DOES ISLAM PROMOTE PEACE? If so, what kind of peace? Recently, a Muslim young man gave me a pamphlet entitled “Islam Explained” (by the Islamic Circle of North America). It states that Islam “instructs people on how they may live together in peace and harmony regardless of race, class or beliefs.” While I would agree that most Muslims are in favor of “peace and harmony regardless of race, class or beliefs”, the question we want to answer is: Are Muslims for peace because of Islam or in spite of Islam? Does Islam itself promote peace and tolerance? Consider the following data …
1. WHAT THE QUR’AN SAYS. The familiar term jihad, often translated holy war, literally means struggle. Many Muslims emphasize that jihad is about struggling against evil desires and, if necessary, defending one’s homeland and religious heritage. “Fight for the sake of God those that fight against you, but do not attack them first. God does not love the aggressors. Slay them wherever you find them. Drive them out of the places from which they drove you. Idolatry is more grievous than bloodshed…. Fight against them until idolatry is no more and God’s religion reigns supreme.” (Qur’an 2:190-192) [Note: Qur’anic quotes from N.J.Dawood’s English translation (The Koran, Penguin Books, UK, 1993)]. A favorite verse of moderate Muslims is 2:256 which says: “Let there be no compulsion in religion. True guidance is now distinct from error.” Militant Muslims, however, will point you to numerous Qur’anic texts where Muhammad (as Allah’s spokesman) commands his followers to fight and subdue all who resist Islam. What leads young men to volunteer to die for the privilege of killing others “for the cause of Allah”? Could it have something to do with the fact that Islam offers no certain hope of heaven to any of its adherents, with one exception? Consider these few Qur’anic verses…
* “As for those who are slain in the cause of God, He will not allow their works to perish. … He will admit them to the Paradise He has made known to them.” (47:4-6)
* “Let those who would exchange the life of this world for the hereafter, fight for the cause of God; whether he dies or triumphs, We shall richly reward him. … The true believers fight for the cause of God, but the infidels fight for the devil. Fight then against the friends of Satan …” (4:74,76)
* “The believers who stay at home––apart from those that suffer a grave impediment––are not the equals of those who fight for the cause of God with their goods and their persons. God has given those that fight with their goods and their persons a higher rank than those who stay at home …” (4:95,96)
* “Slay the idolaters wherever you find them. … lie in ambush everywhere for them. If they repent and take to prayer and render the alms levy, allow them to go their way …” (9:5)
* “Those that make war against God and His apostle and spread disorder in the land shall be put to death or crucified or have their hands and feet cut off on alternate sides, or be banished from the land. They shall be held up to shame in this world and sternly punished in the hereafter: except those that repent before you reduce them …” (5:34,35)
* “Make war on them until idolatry shall cease and God’s religion shall reign supreme” (8:39)
* “Prophet, rouse the faithful to arms. If there are twenty steadfast men among you, they shall vanquish two hundred; and if there are a hundred, they shall rout a thousand unbelievers, for they are devoid of understanding.” (8:65)
* “Fight against such of those to whom the Scriptures were given … and do not embrace the true Faith, until they pay tribute out of hand and are utterly subdued.” (9:29)
The Qur’an contains scores of similar verses.
Most Muslim Scholars see the world divided into two “houses”—the House of Peace (Dar Al-Salaam) and the House of War (Dar Al-Harb). The general idea is that Muslims belong to the House of Peace, while those who have not yet submitted to Islam belong to the House of War until they are “utterly subdued.” However, even this distinction is often blurred since militant Muslims (who take the above verses at face value) also include moderate Muslims in the House of War. Consider further…
2. ISLAMIC NATIONS AROUND THE WORLD. The concept of jihad is rooted in another concept—Shari’a (Islamic law). Many of the world’s more than forty majority-Muslim countries have embraced Shari’a, and those that have not are under relentless pressure to do so. For example, over the past nine years in Algeria, some 100,000 Muslims have been slain by militant Muslims. The reason? These militant Muslims want political control of the nation. This is a growing trend in the Islamic world—even though it is a trend despised by most Muslims.
In the 94% Muslim country of Senegal (where freedom of religion is granted and Shari’a is refused), several Middle Eastern countries send over their Islamic teachers, build Islamic schools and finance more mosques in an effort to “purify” Senegal’s Islam. So what does “pure Islam” look like? Many Muslims will tell you that there is no country in the world that exemplifies true Islam. Yet Islam claims to be a religion that has the answers for society, a religion that offers peace and wholeness. So where should we look to get an example of what true Islam looks like? Iran? Afghanistan? Pakistan? Libya? Turkey? Indonesia? Egypt? How about Saudi Arabia?
While most Muslims decry the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia as corrupt—it is nonetheless the “keeper of Islam” and the religious center toward which more than one billion Muslims face five times a day as they repeat their prayers in Arabic. In Saudi Arabia, freedom of religion is nonexistent. It is illegal to read a Bible or vocalize a non-Muslim prayer in the privacy of your own home. Under Islamic law, conversion to Christianity by a Saudi citizen is punishable by beheading. Saudi’s leaders do not support the idea that Islam “instructs people on how they may live together in peace and harmony regardless of race, class or beliefs.” According to Amnesty International, the persecution of Christians in Saudi Arabia has “increased dramatically” since the Gulf War. More than a thousand cases have been documented in which Christian foreign workers have been arrested, imprisoned and/or beaten for participating in private worship meetings. Add to that the fact that numerous incidents go unreported, especially among Egyptians, Indians, Koreans, Filipinos and other Third World workers who fear further reprisals against them and their families.
A more moderate Islamic nation across the Red Sea from Saudi Arabia is Egypt. I recently met a family who has fled Egypt to seek asylum in the West. The reason? Constant harassment because of their religious beliefs. In Egypt, Christians can’t even paint their walls or do minor repairs on their church buildings without a building permit—a permit that is virtually impossible to obtain. One particular woman had her identity papers confiscated and is being kept under house arrest—all because she left Islam to follow Christ. The charge of “denigrating Islam” is regularly leveled against Christians who are involved in leading a Muslim to Christ. Many Christians living in Upper Egypt have been pressured to pay “protection money” to Muslim racketeers. Those who refuse have been subjected to violent attacks. In October of 1995, Shehata Fawzi (a Christian farmer) was shot to death when he refused to pay 5000 Egyptian pounds to local Muslims. The Cairo-based center for Human Rights/Legal Aid reports the murder of dozens of Copts over the past several years. Last report, the government has failed to put a stop to it. Meanwhile, the militant Gama’a al-Ialamiya group wants to replace Egypt’s “moderate” government with a more strict Islamic state!
The harsh reality is that in every country where Shari’a is embraced, non-Muslims face restricted religious freedom and harassment—for nothing other than their religious beliefs. It should be said that there are times when governments, groups or individuals use Islam primarily as a pretext for carrying out their political-economic-cultural agenda. A horrifying example can be seen just south of Egypt—in central Sudan, where, since 1983, the Muslim government of Khartoum has exterminated more than two million Sudanese. Another five million have been displaced. Burning of villages and farms, slavery, rape, torture, forced Qur’anic indoctrination of children, and bombings of churches are regular events. Meanwhile, over in Indonesia, Laskar Jihad, a well-organized, well-funded, and well-armed Islamic militia has waged a campaign to annihilate the Christian population there. Over the past several years, thousands of Indonesians have been butchered for refusing to convert to Islam. If Islam is for “peace and harmony regardless of race, class or beliefs”—then where is the loud and clear, widespread outrage from the Muslim community over such carnage committed in the name of Allah?
Yes, accusations could be raised about horrible atrocities committed by many who have called themselves Christians (Crusades, Inquisition, slave trade, abortions, etc.). Yet, is there not a fundamental difference between the two? While the Bible clearly states that governments have a right to use the “sword” as “God’s minister, an avenger to execute wrath on him who practices evil” (Romans 13:4), the use of violence to further Christianity is in absolute opposition to the teaching and example of Jesus who prayed for those who crucified Him, “Father, forgive them…” (Luke 23:34). On the other hand, the use of aggression to further Islam is, at times, in apparent harmony with the teaching of the Qur’an (see above verses in the first point) and the example of Muhammad.
3. MUHAMMAD’S EXAMPLE. History tells us that, at first, Muhammad did not use force to induce the Jews, Christians and pagans to accept Islam. Later, however, when people and circumstances turned against him and when he began to gather an army to himself, he began telling his followers that the latest “revelations from Allah” were saying things like, “Prophet, make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal rigorously with them. Hell shall be their home.” (9:73) Thus began Muhammad’s career of warring in the name of Allah. Those defeated by Muhammad were offered protection if they would submit to the dictates of Islam. Those that refused to become Muslims had the “choice” either to pay tribute or to be put to death. This is the apparent “peace and tolerance” Muhammad offered to non-Muslims in his treaty with the people of Khaibar and to others. Non-Muslims were the Dhimmis (the people of obligation) and, as such, were to be “utterly subdued” (9:29).
About twenty years ago, a Muslim neighbor lent me his book on the life of Muhammad, hoping to attract me to Islam. Amid the many positive things recorded about Muhammad, one phrase that sticks with me to this day is that the Muslim author wrote that Muhammad could be both “compassionate and cruel.” One of the better-known examples of Muhammad’s “cruel side” is recorded in several Hadiths, as well as in other writings such as the History of Tabari, Sirat Rasul Allah, and the Kitab Al Tabaqat Al Kabir …
“A group of eight men from the tribe of ‘Ukil came to the Prophet and then they found the climate of Medina unsuitable for them. So, they said, ‘O Allah’s Apostle! Provide us with some milk.’ Allah’s Apostle said, ‘I recommend that you should join the herd of camels.’ So they went and drank the urine and the milk of the camels (as a medicine) till they became healthy and fat. Then they killed the shepherd and drove away the camels, and they became unbelievers after they were Muslims. When the Prophet was informed by a shouter for help, he sent some men in their pursuit, and before the sun rose high, they were brought, and he had their hands and feet cut off. Then he ordered for nails which were heated and passed over their eyes, and they were left in the Harra (i.e. rocky land in Medina). They asked for water, and nobody provided them with water till they died.” (Hadith, Sahih Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 52, Number 261: Narrated by Anas bin Malik.)
The oldest still-available biography of Muhammad is called the “Sirat Rasul Allah” (“Life of the Prophet of Allah”). This book was written by Ibn Ishaq a century before any of the major works of the Hadith. “Sirat Rasulallah” is considered the most authentic biography of Muhammad. On page 515, we read of an event that took place about three years before Muhammad’s death. This specific narrative tells of Muhammad’s conquest of Khaibar, a large Jewish settlement with some of the best date palms in the region. The Jews of Khaibar were prosperous merchants, craftsmen, and farmers. Kinana al-Rabi, who was said to have had the custody of a certain hidden treasure, was brought to Muhammad who asked him about it. Kinana denied that he knew where it was. A Jew came to the apostle and said that he had seen Kinana going round a certain ruin every morning early. When the apostle said to Kinana, “Do you know that if we find you have it I shall kill you?” he said “Yes.” Muhammad gave orders that the ruin be excavated and some of the treasure was found. When he asked Kinana about the rest of the treasure he refused to produce it, so the apostle gave orders to al-Zubayr Al-Awwam, “Torture him until you extract what he has.” So he kindled a fire with flint and steel on his chest until he was nearly dead. Then Muhammad delivered him to Muhammad b. Maslama and he struck off his head. Were Muhammad’s actions in keeping with a religion that is for peace? And this is only one such example among many.
Friends, do not take my word on this. Do your own research. Take a look at the above-mentioned biography (English translation: “The Life of Muhammad” by A. Guillaume; Oxford Univ. Press) or “23 Years: A Study of the Prophetic Career of Mohammad” (by Ali Dashti; Mazda), or read some of the Hadiths. You will even read of instances in which Muhammad had innocent people put to death (such as Abu Afak, a 120-year-old man and Asma bint Marwan the mother of five children, a slave woman mother of two children, and the one-eye shepherd, all murdered while they slept. Their only crime was that they somehow offended “the prophet.”)
I am keenly aware that such information is both painful and offensive for my dear Muslim friends. Yet truth is truth. Jesus didn’t beat around the bush when He said, “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thorn bushes or figs from thistles? Even so every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. … False prophets will arise and show great signs and wonders, so as to deceive, if possible, even the elect. See, I have told you before hand. … Let them alone. They are blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind leads the blind, both will fall into a ditch.” (Injil, Matthew 7:15-17; 24:23,24; 15:14)
4. HISTORY OF ISLAMIC EXPANSION. Encarta Encyclopedia ‘99 says: “The remarkable speed of [Islam’s] religious expansion can be attributed to the fact that it was accomplished primarily through military conquest. Muhammad drew Arabs of the Arabian Peninsula to Islam by his forceful personality, the promise of salvation for those who died fighting for Islam, and the lure of fortune for those who succeeded in conquest. The caravan raids of the early years of Islam soon became full-scale wars, and empires and nations bowed to the power of this new religious, military, political, economic, and social phenomenon.”
Yet in the booklet “The Basics of Islam at a Glance” prepared by The Islamic Cultural Center (Tempe, Arizona), we read: “There is no historical proof that Islam was ‘spread by the sword.’ Even non-Muslim scholars now admit that this is nothing more than a vicious myth which cannot be substantiated by historical fact.” However, on an Islamic question-and-answer website we find a more honest assertion: “Question: Some enemies of the religion claim that Islam was spread by the sword. What is your response to that? Answer: Islam was spread by proof and evidence, in the case of those who listened to the message and responded to it. And it was spread by strength and the sword in the case of those who stubbornly resisted, until they had no choice and had to submit to the new reality.” (www.islam-qa.com – question #5441)
Many say, “Well, what about Joshua and the Israelites? The Bible records that they exterminated entire cities of people!” True. But a close look reveals a quite different set of circumstances. Just as God (after hundreds of years of patient forbearance) had judged evil with a flood in Noah’s day, and fire from heaven on Sodom in Abraham’s day, so God used the people of Israel to judge the Canaanite nations. God waited hundreds of years before judging these nations, giving them time to repent and turn from their wicked ways of idolatry, immorality and human sacrifice. They ignored the witness of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, Joseph, Moses and the ten plagues that came upon the Egyptians. Thus, God, at this particular time in history, used the Israelites to carry out His judgments. But please notice that this was no random warfare! These battles were carried out under specific commands from God with limitations. Sometimes God forbade the children of Israel to take any part of the spoil. The victories included miraculous interventions from God—such as Jericho’s wall falling outward (confirmed by archeology by the way) after the Israelites had marched around them on seven consecutive days. Notice also that God was fair and impartial in His judgments. For example, in the Torah, Numbers 25-31, we read how God first strikes the Israelites with a plague because of their idolatry and adultery. 24,000 Israelites die. Only after God had judged Israel does He send them forth to judge the surrounding nations.
Muhammad’s wars and later Islamic wars of expansion were very different from God’s acts of judgment as recorded in the Old Testament of the Bible. Muhammad would make treaties with the idolaters as long as he was still in the minority, but when he grew strong, he freely used the power of his human army—taking justice into his own hands. He gained great wealth from the war spoils. Muhammad’s wars were partial—always against non-Muslims, with little or no mercy—quite different from what we see a loving, long-suffering God doing through His prophets and chosen people under the Old Covenant. What’s more, Muhammad totally ignored the long-promised “New Covenant” which Jesus established and in which He commands His disciples: “Bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you. … A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another; as I have loved you, that you also love one another. By this all will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.” (Injil, Matthew 5:44; John 13:34,35)
5. TREATMENT OF APOSTATES. Under Islamic law (based on the Qur’an, the example of Muhammad [sunna] and the consensus [idjmaa]), whoever falls away from faith in Islam commits an “unforgivable sin.” Such “apostates” must be taken into custody by force, and called on to repent. He who does not turn back to Islam has, according to Shari’a, forfeited his life and is to be put to death by the state. While this is not carried out on a regular basis in most Islamic lands, the threat of it is there.
According to the daily paper, Al Alam, King Hassan II of Morocco, also the imam of his country, presented the following state of affairs before a human rights commission on May 15, 1990: “If a Muslim says, ‘I have embraced another religion instead of Islam,’ he—before he is called to repentance—will be brought before a group of medical specialists, so that they can examine him to see if he is still in his right mind. After he has then been called to repentance, but decides to hold fast to the testimony of another religion not coming from Allah—that is, not Islam—he will be judged.”
It is no wonder that a major section of the Muslim population in majority-Muslim countries like Algeria, Egypt, Turkey, and Indonesia resists the full introduction of Shari’a. They do not wish to come under the frightening yoke of oppression which demands that thieves have their hands and feet amputated, adulterers be whipped, and converts to Christianity be killed. However, a significant minority of Muslims passionately demand the immediate adoption of Shari’a and are prepared, in some places, to fight for it with the help of terrorism and revolutions. In each Islamic country, militants and moderates wrestle over the Shari’a. Unquestionably, Islam is going through a global identity crisis—trying to define what it will become in the 21st century.
In pointing these things out, let me remind you that I am not blind to the madness of the Inquisition of the Middle Ages, in which those who refused to submit to the “Church” were subsequently tortured and killed for their “apostasy”. Once again, however, we must point out that this evil in Church history was in direct opposition to the law and spirit of Christ. Please keep this distinction in mind. In Jesus’ Parable of the Lost Son (Luke 15), the father did not have his rebellious son followed, locked up, tortured, starved or killed. He gave his son freedom to choose (and to suffer the natural consequences of his choices). While God has committed much authority to individuals and to governments, torturing or killing those who refuse to believe and obey God’s way of Salvation is NOT something He has asked man to do! Ultimately GOD will judge every person. “For it is written: ‘As I live, says the LORD, Every knee shall bow to Me, And every tongue shall confess to God.’ So then each of us shall give account of himself to God.” (Romans 14:11,12; Isaiah 45:21-23)
6. TREATMENT OF WOMEN. Our search for an answer to the question “Does Islam promote peace and tolerance?” would not be complete without at least mentioning Islam’s treatment of women. This is a subject which requires a very balanced approach. Many Muslims point to the extremes and licentiousness of women in the West as portrayed on television as proof that only Islam can put a stop to such permissiveness. This is because they do not know what the Gospel of Jesus Christ does in the life of those who believe. The loose women flaunted in movies do NOT reflect what a true Christian woman is like. If you know some true Christian women personally, then you know that such godly women are characterized by a desire to obey the Bible, which teaches “the young women to love their husbands, to love their children, to be discreet, chaste, homemakers, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God may not be blasphemed.” (Titus 2:4,5)
While the status of women varies greatly between Muslim countries, I highly recommend two insightful books, “Not Without My Daughter” (by Betty Mahmoody) and “Princess” (by Jean Sasson). The first book opens a window on the lives of women in Iran, the latter on those in Saudi Arabia. We have all been made aware recently of the extreme oppression of women in Afghanistan. Though the Taliban has been ousted, much of their strict legal code remains intact. While the vast majority of Muslims condemn the extremes of the Taliban, few are willing to speak out on behalf of the women in their own lands. Muslims have a very difficult time understanding a true Christian’s marriage relationship, in which the husband is the leader, but a servant-leader who loves his wife enough to put her needs before his own. The New Testament Scriptures teach that “husbands ought to love their own wives as their own bodies; he who loves his wife loves himself. For no one ever hated his own flesh, but nourishes and cherishes it, just as the Lord does the church.” (Eph 5:28,29) Meanwhile the Qur’an says,”As for those [wives] from whom you fear disobedience, admonish them and send them to beds apart and beat them. Then if they obey you, take no further action against them.” (4:34)
We now come to the most important point of all…
7. THE MUSLIM’S RELATIONSHIP TO GOD. As important as the above points are in answering the question “Does Islam promote Peace?”, they all pale into relative insignificance when compared to this final point.
Islam sees Muslims as slaves of Allah. While the Qur’an says that God is closer to man “than his jugular vein” (50:16)—such nearness is a technical nearness. For Muslims, God is great, but unknowable. Like so many who call themselves Christians, Muslims have religion, but they do not have a personal relationship with God. If you like religion, Islam has a lot to offer. But if you want a relationship with the one true God and the peace and assurance that comes from knowing Him personally, then you will need to look back into the Scriptures of the prophets and to the Gospel of Jesus.
Muslims are quick to say, “We believe all the prophets!” and “We believe in Jesus! He was a great prophet!” In response to these statements, I ask my Muslim friends, “What does it mean to believe a prophet? Does it not mean to understand and believe their message? And where do we find the message of the prophets? Is it not in the Scriptures of the prophets?”
The Qur’an frequently mentions the Torah (Taurat), the Psalms (Zabur) and the Gospel (Injil) as being the Word of God (5:44-46; 4:163; 40:71; 10:94; etc.), and that “the Word of God shall never change. That is the supreme triumph.” (10:64) If the Qur’an is trustworthy to a Muslim, and if he is honest, there is no way that he can reject “the previous scriptures” (Qur’an 20:133). Yet all of my Muslim friends reject the message of these books, saying that they have been altered, corrupted, changed, ad nauseam. After twenty years of asking, I still wait to hear who changed what and when. As is the case to this very day, many of the Jews and Christians were guilty of twisting their Scriptures with their tongue (Qur’an 3:71,78), but the fact is that the Scripture was considered intact during the time of Muhammad (3:93; 10:94; 21:7; etc.).
The Scriptures of the Bible are based on tens of thousands of ancient copies of manuscripts. Some of the scripts of the Old Testament go back to the 3rd century B.C. and some of the Gospel (New Testament) scripts go back to the 1st and 2nd century A.D. with complete New Testament scripts dating back to the 4th century A.D. The Bible has been wonderfully preserved—especially when you remember that the oldest books of the Bible have been copied by hand over a period of about 2900 years (before they were first printed). For the Qur’an this period was 2000 years shorter—and it certainly shows no fewer variations between its many ancient copies. Contrary to what so many have been led to believe, the Bible is by very far the best documented and preserved script of antiquity. There is more evidence for the reliability of the text of the New Testament than there is for any ten pieces of classical literature put together. The New Testament text is in better textual shape than the 37 plays of William Shakespeare which were written a mere 300 years ago (after the invention of the printing press!). Yes, there are minor variations between the thousands of copies of Scripture—a word here and there, a paragraph omitted in some and included in others—but these variations in no way affect the message of that which the prophets have written. By the way, it is important to see how the Scriptures of the Bible prove themselves to be the Word of the one true God. One of the main ways the Biblendreds of precise prophecies about nations, cities, individuals and the Messiah. Though written hundreds of years beforehand, history records the precise fulfilment of these prophecies. Folks may try to brush aside the hundreds of fulfilled prophecies recorded in the Bible, but they cannot deny them. The Qur’an cannot measure up to this standard in the slightest. If me saying this upsets you, please do write to me personally and I will be happy to back up this point with a list of fulfilled Bible prophecies. Listen to what God Himself has to say. “Present your case,” says the LORD. “Bring forth your strong reasons … Show the things that are to come hereafter, that we may know that you are gods … Indeed you are nothing, and your work is nothing; He who chooses you is an abomination.” (Isaiah 41:21-24)
Over a period of 1500 years, God inspired some 40 prophets and apostles to write down His words and His dealings with mankind. God wants us to understand who He is and what He is like, why He made man, the nature and consequences of sin, and how helpless sinners can be brought into a close relationship with a holy and perfect God and enjoy peace with Him forever. This is the message of God’s prophets.
The sad, hardcore reality is that—while Islam professes belief in “all the prophets”—IT DENIES THE CENTRAL MESSAGE OF THE PROPHETS. What is the central message of the prophets of the Bible? That God, in His infinite plan and unmeasurable love, would “become flesh” in order to fulfill the symbolic meaning of millions of animal sacrifices and hundreds of detailed prophecies—by willingly shedding His blood as the perfect substitutionary sacrifice to pay the sin-penalty for helpless sinners, and then conquer death by rising from the grave—thus establishing an everlasting peace between the one true God and all who believe in HIM and HIS way of salvation.
Muslims feel that God is “too great” to need to become a man in order to reveal Himself to us. If you feel this way please keep in mind that there is more than one kind of “greatness.” There is the “greatness” of a king who lives in his imperial palace, surrounded by wealth and luxury and slaves to keep Him comfortable, yet remains indifferent to the pains of his subjects. There is also the greatness of a skilled doctor who forsakes a lucrative medical practice in his homeland to go to the poorest of the poor and serve them, heal them, and lay down his life for them. Which kind of greatness do you think is most worthy of a merciful and gracious God?
Listen to what the prophet Isaiah wrote concerning the coming Messiah 700 years before Jesus was born. “Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a Son, and shall call His name Immanuel [meaning, "God with us"]. For unto us a Child is born, unto us a Son is given … and His name will be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. … He was wounded for our transgressions, He was bruised for our iniquities; The chastisement for our peace was upon Him, And by His stripes we are healed.” (Isa. 7:14; 9:6; 53:5)
Seven centuries later, the promised Prince of Peace was born into our sinful world. The night before His crucifixion, He told His disciples, “Peace I leave with you, My peace I give to you; not as the world gives do I give to you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid. … Greater love has no one than this, than to lay down one’s life for his friends. If the world hates you, you know that it hated Me before it hated you. … If they persecuted Me, they will also persecute you. … But all these things they will do to you for My name’s sake, because they do not know Him who sent me.” (John 14:27; 15:13,20,21)
Hours later Jesus willingly allowed the religious leaders to arrest Him, try Him and turn Him over to the Roman authorities to be crucified. Thus, in the same hills where Abraham, some 2000 years earlier, had killed a ram in place of his son and predicted the greater sacrifice that was to come—Jesus died as the once-for-all sacrifice to pay for the sins of the world—so that whoever believes in Him should not perish, but should have eternal life. This was God’s plan from the beginning.
As predicted, on the third day after Jesus died, He came out of the grave, the triumphant Savior and Lord of all who believe in Him. That same day, Jesus met with two Middle-Eastern men who did not understand how Jesus, who had been crucified, could be the Messiah. Jesus said to them, “O foolish ones, and slow of heart to believe in all that the prophets have spoken! Ought not the Messiah to have suffered these things and to enter into His glory? And beginning at Moses and all the Prophets, He expounded to them in all the Scriptures the things concerning Himself.” (Luke 24:25-27)
Muslims are much like those two Middle-Eastern men. As with most Jews, the concept of a crucified Messiah is a contradiction in terms (like a married bachelor!). They do not understand “all that the prophets have spoken.” Muslims even go so far as to deny the historical record of Jesus’ death since the Qur’an states: “They denied the truth and uttered a monstrous falsehood against Mary. They declared: ‘We have put to death the Messiah, Jesus the son of Mary, the apostle of Allah.’ They did not kill him, nor did they crucify him, but it appeared so to them.” (4:157) Amadou Hampaté Ba in his book “Jesus as Seen by a Muslim” writes: “Any disloyalty to Jesus must be punished in the same way as blasphemy against Mohammed. There is no doubt about it, in Islam, that the one who blasphemes against Jesus is promised hell fire.” Yet concerning Christ’s death Ba writes: “On this point, we differ with our Christian brothers. For us, Jesus will certainly die, but he has not yet died.”
Dear friend, if Jesus did not die on the cross, then please tell me, WHAT IS THE MEANING OF THE ANIMAL SACRIFICE? And WHY ALL THE PROPHECIES ABOUT A SUFFERING MESSIAH? And WHY DID JESUS HIMSELF KEEP TELLING HIS DISCIPLES THAT HE WOULD BE CRUCIFIED AND BE RAISED AGAIN THE THIRD DAY? I invite you to read Psalm 22 and Isaiah 53 for starters—two Old Testament passages which predict with precision how the Messiah would suffer and die as a sacrificial payment for the sins of the world. God is holy and His holiness requires that sins be paid for. “The payment for sin is death!”—NOT good works—but death and eternal separation from God! Jesus died in our place. He took our hell, so that God can count us righteous and allow us to live with Him forever.
The Senegalese people of West Africa have a proverb that says: “A woodcutter doesn’t cut down the village’s main tree!” Located on the edge of the Sahara desert, each village has its primary, centrally located shade tree under which folks pass the time of day, drink tea, and hold important meetings. What would happen if a woodcutter started to chop down the village’s biggest, most central tree? Yes, the villagers would become very angry … and they would put a stop to it … immediately!
To my dear Muslim friends who reject the historical and prophetical record concerning Christ’s crucifixion I say: How do you think God feels when you chop at His “main tree”? All of God’s prophets pointed to the sacrificial death of the Messiah. Nothing is more basic to God’s plan of salvation. Yet Islam teaches that there is no need for such a sacrifice … and that it, in fact, did not even happen!
Friend, it is unwise to chop at God’s “main tree”" Listen to what Jesus said to His disciples some months before He willingly gave Himself up to die for our sins. “From that time Jesus began to show to His disciples that He must go to Jerusalem, and suffer many things from the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised the third day. Then Peter took Him aside and began to rebuke Him, saying, “Far be it from You, Lord; this shall not happen to You!” But He turned and said to Peter, “Get behind Me, Satan! You are an offense to Me, for you are not mindful of the things of God, but the things of men.” (Injil, Matthew 16:21-23)
Does Islam promote peace? How can it promote true peace when it denies the very means God has provided to establish a lasting peace between God and man, and between man and man? All the prophets bear witness to the fact that Jesus”made peace through the blood of His cross. And you, who once were alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now He has reconciled in the body of His flesh through death, to present you holy, and blameless, and above reproach in His sight… For [Christ Jesus] Himself is our peace, who has made both one, and has broken down the middle wall of division between us …” (Colossians 1:20-22; Ephesians 2:14) Or as the prophet Micah wrote of the Messiah 700 years before He was born, “This One shall be peace.”
God wants to give you His peace that surpasses human understanding, but we must submit to HIS WAY of salvation. To all who truly believe that Jesus is who He and the prophets said He was, and that He died in your place for your sins, and rose again from the dead—God promises to give that which religion can never provide: Salvation from the penalty and power of sin, a credited-righteousness, assurance of sins forgiven, a cleansed conscience, a deep peace, an untouchable joy, a new nature, a personal relationship with God, an eternal home with Him in Paradise, and more! One day Jesus will return to earth to establish His Kingdom of peace, meanwhile He wants to establish His kingdom of peace and righteousness inside of you. But you must believe the Good News about who He is and what He came to do. “Do you believe the prophets?” (Acts 26:27)
Remember, to believe in Jesus Christ is not to embrace a RELIGION. Religion is humans trying to work their way to God through prayers, good works, etc. The Gospel (Injil, Good News) of Jesus Christ is God coming to men and women in the Person of Jesus and offering them a RELATIONSHIP with Himself. And what makes it so wonderful and sure is that the Gospel of Jesus Christ is that “which God promised BEFOREHAND through His prophets in the fHoly Scriptures…” (Romans 1:2).
There is so much more that I would like to write, but I must stop here. However, if the true message of God’s prophets is not clear in your mind—don’t YOU stop here! Get a copy of the Bible and begin by reading the New Testament or log on to: http://www.goodseed.com/theprophetsenglish.aspx and download the book ALL THAT THE PROPHETS HAVE SPOKEN. You will be amazed at how unmistakably clear God’s true message is! The back cover of this book reads: “History is strewn with wars and scrapping over religion. With the advent of the global village, people of different beliefs are being pressed up against each other, and the potential for major conflict is enormous. It behooves us to know what our neighbors believe and why they believe it. Though we may never agree with them, when we know what people believe, at the very least, we can intelligently disagree without being disagreeable.” This book is a must read.
Another excellent book is THE WAY OF RIGHTEOUSNESS. It’s a bit longer, but, like “All that the Prophets have Spoken”, it too clearly explains the central message of God’s prophets. Check it out at http://www.injil.org/TWOR/.
If you have any questions or comments, I would love to hear from you personally. Write me at: info@alltheprophets.org.
Above all, I beg you to take seriously this invitation from GOD Himself …
“You will seek Me and find Me, WHEN YOU SEARCH FOR ME WITH ALL YOUR HEART … For I know the thoughts that I think toward you, says the LORD, THOUGHTS OF PEACE and not of evil, to give you a future and a hope.” (Jeremiah 29:13,11)
Comment by Kuldeep Trisal — August 14, 2008 @ 5:43 am
I am personally tired to helping these muslims….. Why dont they understand i am helping them…..
Jammu thanks for the message….. but we need to fight Islam in every aspect of our lives…. I have read so much abt the -ve things of ISLAM…. I am sure muhammad will be getting fried in the fire of hell….
take is in the right sprit…. with ur name or without ur name spread the message in all corners of net…….
Victory of Humanity is in the anhilation of ISLAm…. It is hard task but all of us have to educate muslims and save them from ISLAM as much as we can…. People will help them they are ex muslims……
I heard wafa sulta talking that muslims put mure than 100 bullets in her professors body and shouted allah hu akbar… allha is great……. Isnt it barbarian religion……. tell me man….. help them…..
Thanks Kuldeep Trisal
Comment by Kuldeep Trisal — August 14, 2008 @ 5:52 am
Dear VOJ,
Y u r appreciating Mr Kuldeep, he is weak in knowledge he is in wrong path. He is criticising the faiths, Wat kind of responsibility u r obeying. My dear friend it can only create gaps and differences.
Don’t you want the two aparted communities should come together and should enjoy and live together.
Plz take measures to understand and pray to almighty to give you and me true path.
Regards
David
Comment by David — August 14, 2008 @ 5:56 am
Dear Kuldeep:
How much more i can agree with you. Can any Kashmiri Muslim deny my “GOLDEN TRUTH” messages. We are going to hit 100 on this post soon with all the messages did any muslim offered appology for driving out hindus, looting their houses, killing, murdering raping. This is the pysch they are made of and will not change we have make sure all these so called “HATTOS/KASHMIRI SULLAS” as we call them in Jammu are shown their right place “SHIT POT”.
Comment by Voice Of Jammu — August 14, 2008 @ 5:59 am
I wanted to take th honour of hitting 100.
All you sullas go to hell.
Comment by Voice Of Jammu — August 14, 2008 @ 6:00 am
Question: Who are responsible for latest terror problems in Philippines:
Answer: Muslim Militants have been openly attacking civilians and terrorising them to which the Philippines govt has responded with a crackdown. Please read more.
http://toastedbread.wordpress.com/2007/07/11/islamic-terrorism-problem-in-philippines/
“Troops are killed, some beheaded, in southern Philippines
International Herald Tribune – 1 hour ago
By Carlos H. Conde MANILA:
At least 14 government troops were killed in some of the heaviest fighting with Muslim insurgents in the southern Philippines in recent months, officials said Wednesday”
Comment by Voice Of Jammu — August 14, 2008 @ 6:12 am
David ur dawood….
why will any one be obeying u It is india not a muslim country and u are not mulla yet.
Gaps are created by muslims when they killed Hindus and kashmiripandits and danced around there bodies…..
U talk of great deeds can u muslims talk about bita karate who killed so many pandits which he accepted on tv interview also and force kashmir govt to put get him executed…..
What would have happened if he was hindu and had killed muslims……
U are the reason for us to leave kashmir…. what gaps will u bridge after 20 years…..
all I ever heard form u is
pakistan pakistan pakistan….
Wasn’t it you who yelled from mosques that pandits leave and keep ur ladies behind…….
what love is this now……. This is known as Kashmirayat from muslim perspective….
Like muhammad killed the husbands and then married their widows and became the saviour of widows…. but he made them widows in first place……
Think how well muslims play to the tune of ISLAM and muhammad…….
Happy writing
Kuldeep Trisal
Comment by Kuldeep Trisal — August 14, 2008 @ 6:17 am
Question: What is the problem China’s Xinjiang region facing?
Answer: Islamic Jihad
“A dozen pre-dawn blasts set off by “terrorists” and an ensuing police crackdown killed at least 11 people, including 10 attackers in China’s restive Xinjiang region on Sunday, close on the heels of an audacious raid that killed 16 policemen, forcing Beijing to tighten security for the ongoing Olympics”
http://www.expressindia.com/latest-news/Dozen-bombs-rock-China–s-Xinjiang-region–11-dead/347047/
Please Read More
Comment by Voice Of Jammu — August 14, 2008 @ 6:20 am
What about Advani, Thakrey, thogadya, katyar et al.
What about Shiv sena, VHP, Bajrag Dal BJP.
What about Ayodhiya and Gujrat and Mumbai roits by Thakrey.
What about massacer of sikhs at Chatisingpora with the help and mind of Indian agencies.
What about the Muslims living at Jammu from long long ago and fanatic hindus are killin g them.
What about he truck drivers who are hindu as well as muslims on doing its business and fanatic hindus are stoping them on the basis of religion and cast and Burning them with patrol bombs.
What about Swords , Trishools and Patrol bombs.
What about propagand u r spreading around the world about the Muslims.
There are long queue of comments and truths.
I m not here to create hatred and fuss. Let us forget this all and search a better option to live and create better examples for rest of the world.
Regards
David
Comment by David — August 14, 2008 @ 6:36 am
Question: What Techniques Kashmiri Muslims applied to Drive out Kashmiri Hindus from Kashmir?
*It started with Mufti engineering his daughters abduction Mehbooba Mufti.
*Kashmiri Muslims armed with AK 47 stared threatening and killing Hindus in Kashmir
*Kashmiri Muslims openly started burning hindu houses.
*Kashmiri Muslims did not stop at this they started selectively attacking and raping Hindu women.
*Mosques in Kashmir openly started threatening hindus and telling they to change their faith or leave leaving their women folk behind or face death.
* Kashmiri Muslins openly danced around the dead bodies of killed hindus.
* Kashmiri Muslims started abducting school/college going hindu girls.
* Kashmiri Muslims started grenade attacks on hindu houses.
* Kashmiri Muslim mob you to gather outside hindu houses and threaten them.
Comment by Voice Of Jammu — August 14, 2008 @ 6:42 am
Question: What is one unique character that makes Kashmiri Muslim distinct?
Answer: He is two faced and confused of his identity
Comment by Voice Of Jammu — August 14, 2008 @ 6:47 am
Read This
A group of Hindu fanatics beat up a worker belonging to the Maharashtra Village Ministries at Joadmoha of Yavatmal district in Maharashtra on 13 May 2008. The police failed to take action against the culprits till the filing of this report.
Rev DB Kulothungan, General Secretary of Maharashtra Village Ministries (MVS) said the incident happened when a group of villagers numbering around 30 came to stop a prayer meeting held at Shrikant Chandekar’s residence on 13 May 2008. When Shrikant refused to stop the prayer meeting, he was beaten up by the culprits.
Shrikant went to Joadmoha police station to lodge a complaint against the culprits the same day. But the police did not take any action to protect Shrikant and his church members.
Desh Pande, Head Constable of Rural Police Station, Yavatmal in Maharashtra said a FIR No 238/2008 with non-cognizable case had been filed against the culprits under 504 and 505 section of the India Penal Code.
According to aicc Legal Secretary Lanshinglu Rongmei, beating up a Pastor and disturbing a religious gathering is a cognizable offence and the police are supposed to pick up offenders immediately and take action without any warrant from the court. “Making the cognizable crime as non-cognizable is the mischief done by Joadmoha police against the Christian community. This kind of approach will only help Hindu fanatics attack the Christian minority more,” she said.
Prakash Tode, Field Coordinator of MVH, has appealed to the Maharashtra State Minority Commission through its Vice Chairman Dr Abraham Mathai to look into this matter. The Christian community in Maharashtra continues to face discrimination from the Sangh Parivar. In May 2007, two Pastors belonging to the Friends Missionary Prayer Band were beaten up by Hindu fanatics in the presence of TV camera, dragging them out with the police on duty watching them as silent spectators.
Link: http://indianchristians.in/news/content/view/2095/45/
Regards
David
Comment by David — August 14, 2008 @ 6:54 am
Taste the flavour
Hindu fanatics attack Christians again in Orissa state
New Delhi, Jul. 9, 2008 (CWNews.com) – A Christian orphanage has been destroyed and a parish church attacked in India’s Orissa state, in the latest assault on the Christian minority there, the AsiaNews service reports.
A Jesuit residence and church, and a nearby orphanage under Protestant administrators, were looted and destroyed by Hindu zealots in the town of Tumudiband. Christians in the same district has been troubled by attacks in the past. “The fanatical forces of Hindutva want to eliminate Christians from Orissa, especially those in Kandhamal district,” said Archbishop Raphael Cheenath of Cuttack-Bhubaneshwar.
Witnesses say that the attackers were easily identified, but police have made no arrests. “There is collusion between the government and the fanatical groups,” the archbishop charged.
Link: http://www.catholicculture.org/news/features/index.cfm?recnum=59560
Regards
David
Comment by David — August 14, 2008 @ 6:59 am
Hindus force closure of Christian worship centre in Tamil Nadu
Written by correspondent
Tuesday, 05 December 2006
Hindu radicals stopped Christian worship service and closed the prayer hall at Vellamody village in Kanyakumari district of Tamil Nadu on 5 December 2006 with the help of the local police.
Pastor Jesurathinam and the congregation were assembling for the Sunday worship at 7.30 in the morning. A mob of 200 Hindus, including women forcibly entered the prayer hall during the worship service. They were led by BJP propagation wing leader SS Mani and other local leaders. They demanded that the Christian worship be stopped and the prayer hall be removed from the village.
The radicals held a demonstration outside for about two hours claiming that a Hindu temple existed close to the prayer hall and there should not be a Christian worshipping centre. The local police arrived and asked the pastor to stop the worship.
Meanwhile Hindu radicals stopped a Christian prayer service in Mumbai on 1 December 2006. There was a healing crusade jointly organised by Christian Missionary organisations at Kalidas theatre in Mulund on the suburbs of Mumbai. The activists of Hindu Janajagruti Samiti protested against the healing service accusing the Christian missionaries of alleged converting Hindus under the guise of curing incurable diseases.
Another program, to be held again on 3 December 2006 at the same venue, had also to be cancelled. The manager of the theatre confirmed that the Christian organizations had earlier planned to have the programme on 3 December 2006 but the programme had to be cancelled under pressure from Hindu radicals.
Link: http://indianchristians.in/news/content/view/1237/43/
These are the comments about the Hindu fanatics with only one faith of India. What will be the approach of this misled people towards other faiths
Regards
David
Comment by David — August 14, 2008 @ 7:02 am
Dear All,
This site has become a palyground to slander Islam especially by Trisals,Mukherjee’s etc who have nothing but irrational and borrowed rationale of Ali Sena at disposal. Ali Sena is well answered by Dr Zakir Naik. And apart from the said discourse of Dr Zakir Naik, which are available on irf.com, you can also sign in for discourses on Sri Sri Ravi Shanker and othet Hindu Philosphers. If you see them, you would be more than dissatisfied with your concocted Mythology in the form of Hindu Religion.
I can’t even refer to you as Hindu’s as word Hindu is a Geographical Term and attributes to the People which had settled during the Indus Valley Civilization on the other part of River Indus and you are feeling proud in calling yourself as Hindus.
Dear you feel proud in quoting to Ramayana written by a Gambler and Mahabharta- a fiction Story, which has been made as a comic story in USA and is being telecast on TV 19 as a Comic Story, and do forget to quote the Holy Vedas , which are 4 in Number, and which truly form the part of your ancient holy scriptures. Sr Sri Ravi Shanker can corroborate the same to you. The mention of our Holy Propher Mohamad (PBUH) is well made in the Vedas.
Regarding the fequent use of word Jehad by these Hindu Jingoists, you have to have get first the connotation of Jehad. Jehad in arabic means Survival. And the Survival can be for anything viz. Survival for livelihood, Survival for Family, Survival for Country, bla, bla, bla. And you pseudo Intellectuals attribute Jehad only to those Holy Warriors whose survival is at peril.
Islam does’t make a person pussilaniomous and coward like Hindus because had you not been spiritless and Cowards you would have never left Kashmir at the Killing of mere 209 Pandits.
You are off and on contributing your Exodus from the Valley to the Kashmir Muslims but my dear KP’s the fault lies in your cowardness. Tell me how may of KP’s are in the Indian Army. I think the number must be not more tha 100. If you care so much for your country why don’t you join Indian Army and by doing so you would defonitely get a Golden Chance to prove your Loyalty to India and also take the vengence from the Kashmiri Muslims. But my dear, you can’t do that as you are more interested in getting reservations from the G.O.I and avail those benefits and than start writing against the Kashmiri Muslims. When some amongst you are in Kashmir you start narrating stories how Dogra’s have skipped with the Kashmiri panditani’s and do the vice versa at Jammu.
It is my candid request to you fanatics to come out of this whrilpool of delusion and you should well be aware that G.O.I. is ready to sacrifice hundreds of Jammu’s for Kashmir.
Long live Hindu Muslim Fraternity.
Comment by HAKIM PARVEZ — August 14, 2008 @ 7:06 am
Question: Who is Kashmiri Muslim afraid of?
Answer: Accepting the fact that they were all converted hindus and murderers of their Kashmiri Hindu friends.
Comment by Voice Of Jammu — August 14, 2008 @ 7:07 am
Christian students attacked in Andhra Pradesh
Written by Correspondent
Tuesday, 29 July 2008
Miryalguda: Hindutva activists have attacked a team of Christian students at Miryalguda in Nalgonda district of Andhra Pradesh. They have also seized Christian literature from them and burned them down.
Two girl students belonging to the Christian community were distributing Christian literature among the college students on 29 July 2008 when three Hindutva activists arrived on the campus on a motorbike. Without any warning, they manhandled the team members and snatched the books and other Christian material from the team. They also took three boxes of books that the team had taken with them and dumped them into a ditch nearby and set fire to them. The attackers even pelted stones at a Christian house nearby.
Comment by David — August 14, 2008 @ 7:08 am
Question: Who is the most sought out criminal/terrorist in India and the world?
Answer: DAVID ohhhh sorry… Dawood
Comment by Voice Of Jammu — August 14, 2008 @ 7:17 am
“Ram Janmma-bhumi” Myth and Hindu fundamentalism
By- Avijit Roy
E mail : avijitroy@hotmail.com
Epic is not a history. Epic is always fanciful whereas history is plain informative. So searching historical truth in an epic is just a mere hypocrisy and disgrace to its literary value. For such reasons, nobody look for Greek historical evidences in Homeric epic Odyssey or Iliad though it is true that the two epics were written entirely based on contemporary Greek civilization and various contemporary popular beliefs on gods and goddesses. But in Indian subcontinent it has become a common trend to search historical truth in ancient epic like Ramayana or Mahabharata. The main reasons behind the deceitful quest is that both Ramayana and Mahabharata have successfully been portrayed as “holy scripture” now a day to the common mass by clever media ignoring its literary and poetic composition. The problem of considering an epic as “holy scripture” begins when a simple literary composition becomes “holy”, the believers fail to accept a single word of it as imaginary, each and every sentence becomes irrefutable “Bed-bakkyo” (gospel truth) to them.
Ramayana is a very ancient literary composition. Probably most of the readers are not aware that there are several types of this epic exist. For example, in ancient Buddhist literature “Dashrath Jatak” Ramayana it was clearly mentioned that Shita was not the wife of Ram, rather she was a sister of Ram. Then again, “Adbhut Ramayan” described Shita as an abandoned child of Ravan and Mondodori- who was found in the ridge of agricultural land by the Royal sage, Nanak. At the same time a severe deviation in the story is observed in North Indian Ramayana and South Indian Ramayana, Addhatma Ramayana, Jogbashista Ramayana, Bhushundi Ramayana Ram-charaita Manash or Tulshi Ramayana and Krittibashi Ramayana. Besides these, there are a lot of fictional prose and alternative versions of Ramayana are available in other Asian countries outside India. Therefore, a lot of confusion raises about the main story of Ramayana. We however, will limit our discussion within Balmiki Ramayana.
Balmiki Ramayana is the “aadi” (original) Ramayana. Most of the scholars agree on the matter that Balmiki Ramayana originally consisted of five parts starting from Ajodhya kanda to Judhya kanda. Balmiki Ramayana described Ram NOT as an avatar but just as a mighty king who was eminently skilled in warfare. There was no supernatural phenomenon characterizing Ram that could be related to a deity. Bal-kanda and Uttar-kanda in Ramayana were the addition of later stage. Some of the stories dealing with supernatural events were added in that age, but according to L. Besham, the avatarism and supernaturalism of Ram was added mainly in Gupta age (around 4th-5th A.D). The avatar image of Ram was firmly established after the external attack of Turkey-Afghan.
In the year of 1988-90 we all know, Indian TV channel -”Doordarshan” shamefully broadcasted Ramayana and Mahabharata (the two most popular TV serials) from strictly religious point of view – focusing mainly on avatar image and supernaturalism which eventually created a massive sensation about “Ram-Janmabhumi” (birthplace of Ram) myth among the Hindu community in the subcontinent at that time. It is ought to mention that the story which was shown in the TV serial was not based on original Balmiki Ramayana, but entirely based on Tulshi Ramayana – commonly known as “Ram-charita Manash”. Tulshi Ramayana, which came actually as a result of spiritual movement stimulated in middle age, portrayed Ram as Avatar, completely deviating from original spirit of Ramayana. The main purpose of Tulshi Ramayana was to establish Vishnu as the supreme God and Ram as an Avatar ! Doordarshan even being a government media, took a very deceitful strategy of spreading lies and blind belief among the Hindu community which excited fundamental and communal politics relating “Ram-janmabhumi” issue in later stage. When Ramayana was being broadcasted for the first time as a TV serial, a tremendous flow of upholding Hindu-myth was observed among the common mass.
In twenty-first century while the whole world is advancing in technical field using science and logic, the ignorant mass in our subcontinent are engaged in violence in Ajodhya and Gujarat inspired by their holy scripture. How can we hide our ignorance and shame from rest of the the whole world ? It is the high time now to dissect the religious scriptures from rational point of view and educate the common mass against all type of fundamentalism and communalism.
courtesy : “Mohakabbyo o moulobaad” by Joyontanuj Banarjee.
Comment by David — August 14, 2008 @ 7:21 am
#David
we never deny the existance of Radical Hindus… but it seems, you have still haven’t understand the point… perhaps thats why in your pseudo-secularness you are still pushing Allah and Mohammed in this discussion…
so let me come to point, you want the paganic system which was also followed under ottoman, by name millet system. In this system each society is allowed to ruled under his/her religious law, with limited freedom, as prescribed in sharia….
we majority here do not want such system, as God-of-justice usually ends up in genocide and mass murder…… we follow God-of-love, but how can Muslim understand that… had they ever recognized any massmurder or genocide?
P.S. Gujarat riots occured after Muslim burn train in godhra, in which around a 1000 people dies…. Muslim recognize the killing of Muslims, but not suffering of those who died in fanatic Muslim attack on train in Godhra…..
Look at tragic side, these are same Muslims that even do not recoganize that Muslim OBL , who killed 3000+ people in an hour during attack on WTC…
the story is same in Thailand, Beslan, Sudan, Serbia, Israel, Lebanon, Philippines …. so what is your point for this ?
Comment by PM — August 14, 2008 @ 7:24 am
Question: What are the traits of a Kashmiri Muslim?
Answer
Filthy takes bath from eid to eid
*Untrustworthy
*Always Swearing” Allaha Ki Kasam or Khuda ki Kasam” (Caution: but don’t trust them)
*Fair Skinned
*Antinational
*Anti all other religions other than Islam
*Very good and friendly as an individual but dangerous and anti hindu as a group.
*In kashmir talks anti india outside Kashmir talks as nationalist.
*Pro Pakistani
*Survives on financial aid from central govt.
*Enjoys all quotas and subsidies
*Starts Shitting rocks when he has to face a FIERCE DOGRA like me
*Uses word secularism to his convenience.
*Has looted and is using goods from hindu household who fled Kashmir.
*Does not pay water and electricity bills.
*cries crock tears.
* Burns Indian flag in Kashmir and hold Indian flag outside Kasmir.
*Talks JIHAD in Kashmir and talk WORLD PEACE out side kashmir
* Cheers for Pakistan cricket team in Kashmir and Indian Team outside Kashmir.
* Will marry a 16 year old who can be called her grand daughter.
*In kashmir will offer Namas 5 times outside Kashmir will enjoy during ramzan
*In kashmir will celebrate 14th Aug out side Kashmir celebrate 15th Aug.
Well next for rest…!!!
keep reading and enjoy 
Comment by Voice Of Jammu — August 14, 2008 @ 7:30 am
This is the best of all hahahahhahahah hehehehehheheh hohohohohohohohoh
…!!!!
Comment by HEHEHEH — August 14, 2008 @ 7:39 am
Hey this is so very true. I am a student in Pune and my friends room mates are Kashmiris and its the mirror image of them i read on top they are all double faced.
Comment by TRUE — August 14, 2008 @ 7:42 am
Dirty people living in a very nice place….
Hey by the way i call you to my place in Kerala to take a bath.
Comment by Indian — August 14, 2008 @ 7:45 am
I think you all should use this blog constructively. As I said earlier, religion used to be a guiding force; nothing more. It was a way of life. It’s how to interpret it that makes a difference. It’s not to be taken seriously.
I’ve seen very few solutions coming forward to difuse the situation at hand. We have all life to fight the Mahomads and Rams of the world; but let’s put out the fire first.
Aprreciate some valuable inputs.
Comment by Abhi — August 14, 2008 @ 7:49 am
>>Question: What are the traits of a Kashmiri Muslim?
They are TRAITOR.
They deserve the life they had right now in Kashmir.
If these morons would have used this amount of energy constructively the kashmir would have prosper . Who will explian this to these *MORONS*, we(kashmiri pandits) started life from scratch after migration and I am proud of being that we made it in life.
I believe we should boycott *KASHMIRI MUSLIMS* , stop entertaining them.
Don’t offer the jobs to them in India, let them focus on getting the freedom in valley.
I don’t mind paying huge TAX which goes to valley beggers, let them work towards the freedom for years to come.
PS: I still believe there would be a *FEW(nearly 0%)* percentage of muslims who are not traiters , I have sympathies for them.
Comment by Vicky — August 14, 2008 @ 7:50 am
Abhi , we don’t have anythings against Islams but yes we hate *kashmiri muslims* for all that they have done , they are parasites in India.
Comment by Vicky — August 14, 2008 @ 7:52 am
Mr Pm,
I know that all and i feel sorry for these misled persons. I will never call them as Muslims, Hindus sikhs etc. these people are simply misled and fanatic people.
I can’t attach them with any religion. these people have got no religion and they are simply ment for destruction.
r u amoung these people, (yes/No)
By discussing abt them is to give publicity to them and that is the core issue of them and they are getting it free of cost. Let them keep alone and they will be aparted because overall their is suprem power i.e. Almighty Allah(By wat ever name you call him).
I came here to join hands with you people not to insult or see insulting any buddy, to any buddy’s religion.
I requested them very oftenly not to abuse and insult. I have long directory of what the fanatics do around the world. But i don’t wat to spread hatred and make sore hearts of people.
I was born in 1984, and when the massacer done by the fanatics of kashmir on Pandit brothers and sisters in kashmir occured i was little. i know nothing about that but when i m listening about that i m not defending them i m condemning these attacks which aparted our loving one’s the only pandit Baradari.
We kashmiris are thirsty abt these Pandits and we once again wanna to live and enjoy with them. When ever i come to Jammu i have there lot of pandit friends, i always invite them to kashmir to live together. they have got no hatred to me and so m i.
i have a very good friend, she is a head of Educational institute there(jammu), she call me as David brother. When ever i m visiting there she is asking abt the suituation and enquiring abt my family and so m i.
we have got no differences and so i m inviting every buddy here to make a band which will be know as peace band and we will extend our peace mission around the world with out any discrimination.
Regards
David
Comment by David — August 14, 2008 @ 7:54 am
I agree to all that is mentioned by voice of jammu…
Thanks dear….you have shown the correct face of kashmeer muslim
all you mullas go to pakistan they have some thing for you. like parvez musharraf said their “”hearts”" which are in their ASS and they shit their hears every day and pollute the world.
Comment by Rahul — August 14, 2008 @ 7:56 am
Sun rises in East and sets in west
Terrorism rises from west (Pakistan) sets in east(Kashmir).
Comment by Voice Of Jammu — August 14, 2008 @ 8:02 am
Thanks Vicky…. I will add TRAITORS in my next post…. please help me with few more….. Thanks People for your support….keep reading my GOLDEN TRUTH series…
Thanks Again
Comment by Voice Of Jammu — August 14, 2008 @ 8:05 am
David,
>>We kashmiris are thirsty abt these Pandits and we once again wanna to live and enjoy >>with them
It is hard to believe but sounds good to hear.
I am kashur batta and hope to return to valley one day.
I see the only professional which had florished in valley is terrorism , it is an industry by itself
Comment by Vicky — August 14, 2008 @ 8:09 am
David,
>>We kashmiris are thirsty abt these Pandits and we once again wanna to live and enjoy >>with them
It is hard to believe but sounds good to hear.
I am kashur batta and hope to return to valley one day.
I see the only professional which had flourished in valley is terrorism , it is an industry by itself
Comment by Vicky — August 14, 2008 @ 8:09 am
>>I will add TRAITORS in my next post
This word is enough to define all the points you have put .
once again I don’t have anything against Islam, but surely grudges against *kashmiri muslims* …..
Comment by Vicky — August 14, 2008 @ 8:12 am
>>Islam does’t make a person pussilaniomous and coward like Hindus because had you >>not been spiritless and Cowards you would have never left Kashmir at the Killing of mere
>>209 Pandits.
Those 209 kashmiris would have become 209 ambani’s tatas .
Don’t waste your time here , go and fight for freedom and be parasite on india.
look at your community(if you are kashmiri muslim) what you have achieved in last 20 years, you never know what is there in future.
We never know we will have to leave valley in 90’s but who know we might come back and *DOMINATE* you again.
You are losers , go fight for freedom go go go ….
Comment by Vicky — August 14, 2008 @ 8:28 am
I hope you must be satisfied with my elaborate posting.I do agree with Abhi that we should reach to a consensus amongst ourselves. But lets identify the problems and the grieviences first which are to be addressed. Is it pseudo Hindu Identity, Amarnath Land Transfer, KP’s self made Exodus from Kashmir, KP’s Privileges and Job Reservation in Punjab, Haryana, N-E, Kerala, etc or their Induction in the Indian Army, or panacea for their Cowardice.
Comment by HAKIM PARVEZ — August 14, 2008 @ 8:35 am
all these kashmiris …pakistanis and moslems in India are a gullible lot …. who fail to understand who is preaching this hatred and why …..
we all know that all this fanaticism is funded by saudi and other oil rich moslem countries …. who banish anyone spreading such things in their countries but fund such people in other moslem countries … which prevents them from follwing the path of wisdom and prosperity ….so they fight among themselves or take to the name of jehad … which i dont know what is … its an imaginary term which is of no consequence in this world ….
if moslems of this world soon do not understand that this path they have taken to create trouble in all good natiions of the world …. the very nations they are citizens of …. a time will soon come when EACH ONE OF THEM WILL BE WIPED OUT FROM THE FACE OF THE EARTH ……
we will start a revolution starting in India itself….GUJARAT WAS JUST A SMALL SHOW TO OPEN YOUR EYES…… so u better change …. i dont care what religion u follow …. its ur thoughts which need to change ….
LIVE AND LET LIVE …..
Comment by chandra — August 14, 2008 @ 8:38 am
Mr Vicky,
You forgot to mentionn about LN Mittal. Had you been in Kashmir you would have still been a society of Govt. Clerks. Getting reservations has made you an intellectually bankrupt society and you harp only on anti kashmiri sentiment. It is still not late, come out of this whirlpool of Delusion.
Comment by HAKIM PARVEZ — August 14, 2008 @ 8:42 am
Question: Who are Sons In Law of Govt Of India?
Answer: Kashmiri Muslims
Comment by Voice Of Jammu — August 14, 2008 @ 8:57 am
Mr vicky,
Ok dear we will become Indians there is no problem if you can give me answer to these questions:
We are ready to support you and become Indians if you convince us Kashmiris on the following queries or in other words if you can give us sound answers to these particular questions, We will take back all that has been said against you or India.
So here goes:
Can India/Pakistan (In your case its INDIA)get all Kashmirs together as one entity i.e. a Jammu & Kashmir as it was 60 years ago and if India does go to an international court for arbitration, would this international court support India’’s claim over Kashmir and ask Pakistan/China to hand over their annexed parts to India???????
IF INDIA CANNOT GUARANTEE US A ONE KASHMIR AS IT HAS BEEN FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS, THEN WE SEE NO REASON TO BE WITH AN ENTITY THAT IS HELL BENT ON DIVIDING OUR MOTHERLAND INTO SMALLER PARTS.
We ARE NO HINDUS/NO MUSLIMS/NO SIKHS and NO BUDDHISTS BUT HUMAN BEINGS FIGHTING FOR OUR RIGHT TO EXIST AS KASHMIRIS IN A KASHMIR WHERE THERE IS NO LINE OF CONTROL, NO DEMARCATIONS ON THE BASIS OF RELIGION AND NO COMPARTMENTALIZATION OF TERRITORIES.
WE know and understand that INDIA can never give us ONE KASHMIR but maybe you can convince us that it can!!! So the ball is in your court.
Regards
David
Comment by David — August 14, 2008 @ 8:58 am
Question: What are Indian Muslims who moved to PAKISTAN in 1947 called there and how are they treated?
Answer:
MUHAJIRS 
They are treated as second class citizens of PAKISTAN 
Comment by Voice Of Jammu — August 14, 2008 @ 9:01 am
Question: What is the future of Kashmiri Muslims in Kashmir?
Answer: Unless they stop their anti India propaganda and pro pakistan approach they will not be accepted by other people of India. PERIOD
Comment by Voice Of Jammu — August 14, 2008 @ 9:09 am
Hindu fanatics attack Christians in Rajahmundry of Andhra Pradesh
From our correspondent
The distribution of copies of the Bible and other Christian literature at the Government Junior College by members of a church-based group from Eluru has kicked off a row between the college principal and leaders of Vishwa Hindu Parishad (VHP) and Hindu Dharma Prachara Samiti at Buttaigudem village in West Godavari district of Andhra Pradesh.
A US-based Christian missionary, with support from the members of a church in Eluru, distributed copies of the Bible and Christian literature at the college on 18 November 2006. On learning about this, several activists led by VHP district president B Subba Rao and Hindu Dharma Prachara Samiti secretary A Murali Krishna arrived at the college on 20 November 2006 and raised objections and called for the boycott of classes.
There was a heated argument between the leaders and college principal G Jayaraju. The leaders alleged that the college principal had allowed the distribution of copies of the Bible and Christian literature while classes were going on. Jayaraju clarified that he did not give permission for anyone to distribute any material, and said they could have distributed them when students came out from the classes for recess.
Unconvinced by the response, VHP leaders squatted on the road and raised slogans calling for action against those who were resorting to distribution of religious material. Meanwhile, the police intervened and tried to pacify both parties. VHP activists lodged a complaint with the police against the principal for allowing religious activity in the college.
College principal Jayaraju also lodged a complaint with the police saying the VHP activists had tried to obstruct classes and targeted him personally, as he was a Dalit. On 21 November 2006, activists of Kula Vivaksha Porata Samiti, Yerukula Hakkula Porata Samiti and Ambedkar Yuvajana Sangham took out a procession supporting the college principal and submitted a memorandum to the mandal revenue officer.
Jangareddigudem deputy superintendent of police Ch Rama Rao said, “We booked cases against both the parties, based on their complaints. We are verifying facts and will take action against the culprits after an enquiry report. At present, there is no tension on the campus.”
Earlier a group of Hindu activists attacked a hotel in Rajahmundry on 15 November 2006 where some foreign visitors were staying and abused them for allegedly converting Hindus to the Christian faith. They also sought details about their Visa status and the purpose of their prolonged stay in the place.
“This has come in the way of a month-long preparation for the scheduled religious meetings in the town, forcing the organizers to cancel all the meetings. This has also created confusion and fear among the Christian community,” Pratap Sinha, one of the organizers, said. “This is a repeat of what happened in Vijayawada a few years ago,” he added.
Comment by David — August 14, 2008 @ 9:15 am
Question: Name one thing that Kashmiri Muslim can not stand or do?
Answer: Praise India and other religions.
Comment by Voice Of Jammu — August 14, 2008 @ 9:24 am
Question: What is the solution for Kashmir Muslims Problem?
Answer: Their mind and gene pool is now polluted ( Which once originated from hindu pandits) They need a acid wash of their minds and genes.
Comment by Voice Of Jammu — August 14, 2008 @ 9:28 am
Hindu fanatics turn trident into deadly weapon
By Ranjit Devraj
NEW DELHI: The ‘trishul’ (trident) may have been carried around by the Hindu god Shiva and other gods of the ancient world, but India’s political opposition sees danger in supporters of the ruling Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) party carrying the three-pronged item around — especially with elections around the corner.
This month, Praveen Togadia, the firebrand leader of the Vishwa Hindu Parishad (World Hindu Forum), which provides muscle to the pro-Hindu BJP, was ordered arrested by the government in western Rajasthan state, led by the opposition Congress party, when he tried to distribute stylised trident heads to supporters in a special investiture ceremony.
The practice of distributing tridents or at least the metallic, business end of it, goes back to the black days of the anti-Muslim pogrom in neighbouring Gujarat state last year. More than 2,000 people perished then, but BJP Chief Minister Narendra Modi won a resounding victory in state assembly elections held later in December.
Acutely aware of what he faces from the symbolism on which the BJP thrives, Rajasthan Chief Minister Ashok Gehlot ordered on April 8 a ban on the “acquisition, possession and carrying of double or multi-bladed sharp or pointed weapons,” but took care to exclude from the ban use of such items in religious, rather than political, functions.
Gehlot said the version of the ‘trishul’ that was being distributed by Togadia could not be conceived as the religious symbol of renunciation it is supposed to be, but was a “deadly weapon”. In fact, people had complained to him that its free distribution posed a security threat, he added.
Togadia’s ‘trishul’ is in fact carefully crafted out of stainless steel with a central prong that is less than nine inches in length and two inches in width, including the side prongs, so as to technically circumvent existing laws defining the dimensions of lethal weapons.
Instead of a long shaft, the ‘trishuls’ have a short handle with which activists can grip the object and wave it about at rallies, when it is not sheathed in a pocket stitched into cloth sash worn by VHP activists.
Last week, Togadia insisted that the ‘trishul’ was not a weapon and that the investiture ceremonies would continue especially in areas dominated by tribals and low-caste Hindus to ensure that they remained within the Hindu pale. “We do not consider ‘dalits’ (low-caste Hindus and tribals ) as outsiders — in Gujarat ‘trishuls’ were mostly distributed among such groups,” Togadia said unrepentantly.
In Togadia’s estimation, the VHP has so far distributed half a million ‘trishul’ through its investiture programmes. Charges against him also include trying to “overawe by means of criminal force or show of criminal force”, and attempts to “create hatred and disaffection between two groups” and sedition.
Recorded portions of the speech he made shortly before his arrest show him calling upon a gathering to “raise your ‘trishuls’ and pledge that you will worship Bhagwan Shankar (Shiva) and Ma Durga (a female deity) that you will build the Ram temple (at Ayodhya) and destroy Pakistan and make India a Hindu Rashtra (Hindu state).”
Ayodha in Uttar Pradesh state is the site of the VHP’s controversial pet project — the building of a grand temple to Ram, a warrior deity, believed (by Hindus) to have been born there 10,000 years ago. But the pro-Hindu groups’ plan has run into serious legal and archaeological complications.
Ten years ago, Hindu fanatics led by the VHP and the BJP demolished the Babri Masjid, a mediaeval mosque in Ayodhya, which they said had been built by Muslim invaders over a temple marking the birthplace of Ram.
The frenzy whipped up over that issue resulted in the majority Hindu community in this country voting into power, for the first time in modern India, a BJP government headed by Atal Bihari Vajpayee in 1998.
But subsequently, the temple building agenda had to be shelved because of a court stay on all religious activity at the site until its ownership is settled.
The courts also ordered the archaeological excavation of the plinth on which the Babri Masjid had stood to determine whether any temple existed at the site.
So far, the excavations carried out by the Archaeological Survey of India (ASI), which is involved in restoration and conservation work and charged with the maintenance of monuments and museums, seem only to have confirmed Muslim habitation at the site.
By April 20, the Archaeological Survey of India had uncovered several Muslim graves that clearly preceded the invasion of India by Babar, the founder of the Mughal empire in India and for whom the demolished structure was named.
Items discovered after more than a month of excavations at the site indicated Muslim habitation on the site three centuries before the arrival of Babar, as well as shards of glazed pottery that are the hallmark of settlers from Central Asia.
Z.A. Jaffri of Delhi University, one of the archaeologists appointed by the courts to supervise the excavations, declined to set the exact dates of the graves, but said they were “distinctly Muslim” since the skulls pointed west.
According to news reports, VHP leaders at a conference at Ayodhya on Monday held to decide future action on the temple building issue has demanded that the Muslim community now withdraw unconditionally all claims to the site at Ayodhya, regardless of what the courts have to say.
The reports quoted Rajendra Singh Pankaj, secretary of the VHP, as saying that the sites disputed by Muslims and Hindus at Ayodhya, Mathura city and Kashi (Varanasi) should be handed over to Hindus “and not test our patience”.
The revival of the temple and ‘trishul’ issues are aimed at beefing up pro-Hindu sentiment before the state assembly elections, due in November in the states of Rajasthan, central Madhya Pradesh and in Delhi, which houses the central government.
All three states are ruled by the Congress party which, though in the opposition at the centre, rules 16 of India’s major states and is sworn to resist what it calls the Hindu fundamentalist agenda of the BJP.
Regards
David
Comment by David — August 14, 2008 @ 9:31 am
How much i upload how u read, it is better to forget all and let us become friends and caretaker of each other.
I Once again invite you all on the platform of peace and prosperity. Tolerance and respect, unity and discipline.
May Almighty Allah gave us knowledge.
Regards
David
Comment by David — August 14, 2008 @ 9:35 am
Question: Can you trust Kashmiri Muslim as a friend?
Answer: Traitors can not be caretakers, Killers can not be protectors, Kashmiri Muslims can not be a friends to any INDIAN.
Comment by Voice Of Jammu — August 14, 2008 @ 9:44 am
David,
For nth time, get your cause correct. You are so bloody confused. What do you want?
1) Independent Kashmir
2) Go with pakistan
3) “One” Kashmir with India
4) “One” Kasmir with Pakistan
5) “One” Kashmir irrespective of who controls it
If you have read History, you would know that a mass movement is only successful if you have a united cause supported by all. Right now, you are fragmented and appear like sa poit kid who does not get his candy.
If you really don’t identify with India; then you should boycott it completly.
a) Don’t use any Indian goods or services
b) No trade with India
c) No admission in schools and colleges
d) No holding of Indian office
e) No to any job
Can you all do this? Live Indian, eat Indian, wear Indian; but when asked your country you don’t hestate in saying “Pakistan”.
It’s not about Hindu or Muslim; it’s about a nation. Until you sort out your issues, you nothing about parasites.
Comment by AK — August 14, 2008 @ 9:51 am
its shame i have not seen one acceptance here by any moslem here that ….. “yes our religion has lost its path …. its goin the way of jehad …. which has no acceptance in this worlld …. we should modernise our system …. mix with the main population …. ” …
nobody stops muslims from joining the software jobs , government jobs and the like …. but how many do we see …. a handful …..
and the ones who are there are getting into anti national activities …. i thank God that these people are handled carefully in our armed forces ….
these people have no gratitude of any sort …. all they can say is …. look at the hindu fanatics … look what they are doin to the christians ….
look into yourself and you will find the answers …. look at your own homes … look at what your religion is preaching ….
dont give us the teachings of your religion …. we are not iinterested in them …. if it is that good ….. then follow the goodness in it ….
there are hard facts about moslem religiion all over the world ….
Comment by chandra — August 14, 2008 @ 10:32 am
Hi Rishab
The hindus never think like muslims (of kashmir) in the first place. they are generally peaceloving and respectful to others. what you see today (you referred to some har har mahadev slogans)is a result of the continuous neglect of their interests in jammu…even now u can see how the media / govt give more prominence to the kashmir politics / leaders than the jammu region.
its more like whoever makes a bigger noise they are heard. jammu people have remained calm for decades and kashmir guys have been vociferous and have got all they wanted and still they do get what they want. So, for our media guys, what happens in kashmir is more important and jammu is like a ranji match…not much of value…
so the govt much first act fast, take appropriate action if necessery, same time should be firm in dealing with seperatists, and once they establish peace and calm then they can negotiate for a formula reg the land issue.
Comment by satheesh — August 14, 2008 @ 10:38 am
All the civilized and literate Muslims in Kashmir know one fact that they will prosper only if they are with India. They know this very that if they go with Pakistan or if they become independent then they will be perished. They know that NOT being with India would be a desaster for them as well as their future generations.
The only problem is the leaders who instigate the fanatics and they in turn threaten the civilized and the literate class. So in order to save their lives they support the fanatics but only from outside as their inner consience is always with India.
Now a feasible solution — e.g. to let the crop grow peoperly, the farmer always makes sure that the weeds dont grow in the fields.
By applying the same principle to the Kashmir problem – the only peaceful solution to it is remove the WEEDS i.e. All the hurriat leaders, All the leaders of PDP, all the leaders of NC and all the leaders of the other raegonal parties who always talk anti-India. This will ensure the removal of fanatics also. Now how to remove them is the task that the govt has to undertake. Either kill them or tell them to go to Pakistan… Govt has to decide.
In the end we will have a clean and peaceful Kashmir again – the one we had decades ago – where Hindus, Muslims and Sikhs lived like brothers and sisters.
Comment by Rohit — August 14, 2008 @ 10:42 am
#David
>> I know that all and i feel sorry for these misled persons. I will never call them as Muslims, Hindus sikhs etc. these people are simply misled and fanatic people.
not just any fanaticals, they are religious fanaticals…. so ignoring the religious part of this fanatism is like saying Just ignore koran in Islam….. Islamofacism can’t go without Islam.. like Islam can’t go without koran….. What do you think? why not take the Western approach then…. perhaps Muslim need to revise koran, like new testimonials of Christians….. perhaps that might help you guys to stop the misinterpretation of Islam…
>> I can’t attach them with any religion. these people have got no religion and they are simply ment for destruction. r u amoung these people, (yes/No)
yes I count myself with them… as i count myself as a part of the society, and they live not across border, but with in our borders. so I am a part of same society, in which you as well as those fanaticals live…. now the question is where do i see the difference!
I counter the Ideology by condemning it… because without countering you gave a free space to that bigotry ideology to develop and evolve further…
>>By discussing abt them is to give publicity to them and that is the core issue of them and they are getting it free of cost.
I am condeming them in one voice, because by not condemning(what you tagged as discussing)… I am doing a insult to victims, whose voice was never heard… one more Question.. is you motive to stop this discussion? as it’s discussion on blog like this that you are also counting under your discussion tag.
>> Let them keep alone and they will be aparted because overall their is suprem power i.e. Almighty Allah(By wat ever name you call him).
who is that almighty ? a blood thirsty god, whose verses are chanted when peoples are beheaded in Iran/Iraq?afghanistan/Bosnia/Palestine and so on… sorry but that almighty does not adhere to principle of Human dignity… so no almighty for me.
>>I came here to join hands with you people not to insult or see insulting any buddy, to any buddy’s religion.
what is more important… respect for Human life or Respect to Religious Ideologies ? what is insult ? ignorance to mass-killing … or condemning mass-murderers ?
>>I requested them very oftenly not to abuse and insult. I have long directory of what the fanatics do around the world. But i don’t wat to spread hatred and make sore hearts of people.
I request them to condemn fanatism in open voice.. even if someone get insulted ! even if it counts to Blasphemy in eyes of fanatics… afterall being tagged as Islamophobe is a small price we need to pay to fight islamofacism…
>>I was born in 1984, and when the massacer done by the fanatics of kashmir on Pandit brothers and sisters in kashmir occured i was little. i know nothing about that but when i m listening about that i m not defending them i m condemning these attacks which aparted our loving one’s the only pandit Baradari.
I m not speaking of Pandit Baradri (community). I am speaking of human Baradri …. and golden rule of humanity does not ask the Baradri before sharing pain… so if you wanted to look, there too after 1984 a lot of such events occur, with perhaps the latest the darfur genocide, or malaysian Hindu genocide, Bahai genocide in Iran, or Ahmedi genocide in pakistan …
>>we have got no differences and so i m inviting every buddy here to make a band which will be know as peace band and we will extend our peace mission around the world with out any discrimination.
think of what i said, because the peace you are speaking is based on God-of-justice… it never survived long…… and neither it will…
Comment by PM — August 14, 2008 @ 10:43 am
Question: Do you think less education in Muslims is the reason for Jihad world over?
Answer: The more they are getting educated the more venomous they are becoming
9/11 is one example where all of the Jihadis who carried out the attacks were well educated no to mention OSAMA who is a billionaire.
Comment by Voice Of Jammu — August 14, 2008 @ 10:47 am
Dear All,
I think we have spiited enough of venom against each others identities, faiths and castes. Let us make a truce, as somewhere the line has to be drawn.
Lets us condemn and abhor,enequivocally, the Killing of Hindu’s in Jammu and Samba at te Hands of Indian Forces and the other side should also be fair and candid enough to abhor the innumerable lost of precious lives in Kashmir and Kishtawar at the hands of same Indian Forces.
Comment by HAKIM PARVEZ — August 14, 2008 @ 11:00 am
David,
Islam is the root cause of Terrorism in not only Kashmir but all parts of the globe.
Your not approving; won’t chabge the facts.
Comment by Islamic Terrorism — August 14, 2008 @ 11:01 am
Mr. Parvez,
I appreciate your stand and condemn the killing on both sides as well. May better sense prevail.
Jai Hind!!! Long Live India!!! Please recite with me Parvez.
Comment by AK — August 14, 2008 @ 11:09 am
Dear Hakim
I completely agree to your point that lets condemn the killings of Hindus, Mislims .. who ever.
But dont say killings at the hands Indian forces. Why are you stressing the word Indian ? Why dont you say only Security Forces ?
Yesterday also I saw one seteratist leaders being interviewed on TV and he was always stressing the word Indian with what ever he said.. Indian forces have done thsi .. Indian forces have done that… Indian govt is doing this… indian administration is doing that… In fact he went to the extent of saying ” is this what YOUR democary ” is all about…
Why is it so.. Can you please answer this …
Comment by Rohit — August 14, 2008 @ 11:10 am
Question: Are Kashmiri Hindus living in self imposed exile?
Answer: Only a Kashmiri Muslim “BASTARD” can say this. Who would like to leave his house and belongings and run to a place without a roof over his head.
You take this step only when your life, family, honor and prestige is under threat.
Enjoy reading
Comment by Voice Of Jammu — August 14, 2008 @ 11:11 am
#HAKIM PARVEZ
Truce ? Thanks for your stand… but answer is a big “NO”
1st.. Islam never stands with its aggrements, infact no historical point proves in which Islam stands on its words..
2nd … We are talking about human life, not about some scrap peace of paper….
3rd …. we learned what should never be repeated, rather then making deal over Human lifes….
Comment by PM — August 14, 2008 @ 11:12 am
Hakim ….
comdemn the islamic terrorrists in the same breadth as you condemn security killings in jammu and kashmir ….
loss of life is of no use for anyone …. but the bigger issue is that …. all over the world a phrase has emerged and moslems are just not understanding this …..
the phrase is “ISLAMIC TERRORISM” …..
does anyone think that moslems ALL OVER THE WORLD ARE OPPRESSED … they may be in one country or 2 ….. but this is a global phenomenon ….. nobody is naive enough to accept that “o moslems are so oppressed everywhere on this planet … o pity them …. o thats why they take to arms ” ….
there is a big question that is being asked to moslems all over the world … “WHY IS THERE NO UNQUESTIONED CRITICISM OF ISLAMIC TERRORISTS FROM ALL MOSLEM CENTERS AND WHY THE GENERAL MOSLEM POPULATION IN ALL SUCH TERRORISM AFFECTED COUNTRIES CONTINUES TO HELP SUCH TERRORISTS” ?
these are the questions which u need to answer … not to me … but to yourself …. and discuss this within your community …
people all over the world now have started to hate the moslems because they preach hatred in their religion and they are creating trouble in the very own countries which feed them …. its a shame for islam ….
LIVE AND LET LIVE ….
Comment by chandra — August 14, 2008 @ 11:17 am
Rohit … i agree with you when you say that these kashmiris are pissooss who always say .. Indian this and Indian that ….
if they bellieved in being citizens of this country …. then they would just say “security forces” …. or “democracy” …. and such …..
look at how i just used the phrase secruty forces in my above blog …. unlike hakim as u pointed out ….
LET ME WARN OUR COUNTRYMEN … DONT BE SO NAIVE TO TRUST THESE SERPENTS …. THEY WILL STRIKE WHEN YOU ARE COMPLACENT … AND THEY WILL NEVER HESITATE TO STRIKE YOU ON YOUR BACK…. THEY ARE A BREED OF COWARDS ….. KILLING WOMEN AND CHILDREN …
LIVE AND LET LIVE ….
Comment by chandra — August 14, 2008 @ 11:41 am
Dear friends & brothers,
I m trying and will try in future also to Convince you to come forward to accept the peace message where every buddy is respected and where there is no abusing and no hatred.
Today i m taking another bold step to join the world of blogging and naming it as the “Peace Mission sans Frontiers”
I personall invite you to come and join me on my personal blog dedicated to peaceful World , and share your ideas and dreams with me with open mind and freedom.
It’s link is:
http;//david4ever.wordpress.com
(just posted a recent blog)
Mr Editor
I will always and regularly like to visit & comment on your blog and i love this and respect this and love you all who are commenting. Brother/Friend Editor, we will togatherly make our J&K free from hatred, anger, abusing and arrogance.
I will also satisfy my previous promise that i will paste islamic Lessons on this blog when ever i may get time.
currently i have lot of time because of this unfortunate voilence otherwise i got hardly any time from my office. because i have to satisfy my US office and to work hard from Kashmir becoz of huge responsibilities.
Love you all and not but not least Brother Editor
Mr Editor ur one sided hair style, black Spectacles and shallow beard is very much suiting on you. I will meet you soon in jammu. Inshallah
love you all
Regards
David
Comment by David — August 14, 2008 @ 11:51 am
Hakim + David + more Kashmiri Muslims in general .
>>You forgot to mentionn about LN Mittal.
I wanted all KP’s to be like that, I bet then then we will make you dance.
It is just matter of throwing money and getting a professional terrorist work for you, that is what pakistan did for you.
You were not that strong and fell in the trap, it is where the *CHARACTER* of person comes.
We all have worked hard, I remmeber the days when our entire family were staying in a single room which were not used.
We kept focused and progressed in life , you seem to be jeleous of it .
>>Had you been in Kashmir you would have still been a society of Govt. Clerks. Getting >>reservations has made you an intellectually bankrupt society and you harp only on >>anti kashmiri sentiment. It is still not late, come out of this whirlpool of Delusion.
Go anywhere in India and you will see KP florishing in professional/economically at the cost of leaving there homeland. We have captilized the opportunity and moved ahead in life , have been UNSTOPPABLE … you guys crib and fight for freedom …
It is about *TALENT* , no one can stop talanted people.
We have not progressed because of reservations only , that is your wrong conception.
Yes reservations had worked as catalyst our progress …..
We are now UNSTOPPABLE …
Watch our next generation , inspite of all I am worried about our cultural extension which is the only loss I see .
Rest all we can cover .
Your energies are going in wrong direction which is known to all.
Comment by Vicky — August 14, 2008 @ 12:01 pm
David:
You need to propogate your message of peace to the muslim world who is fighting JIHAD all over the world whith evil intentions of taking over all non muslims one day.
As far as we are concerned we are peace/county/human loving people.
You(MUSLIMS) need to prove rather than do lip service.
Comment by Voice Of Jammu — August 14, 2008 @ 12:02 pm
who is the owner of dis site
ur a big motherfucker
Comment by BECKS — August 14, 2008 @ 12:08 pm
>>Ok dear we will become Indians there is no problem if you can give me answer to these >>questions:
Please do favor to India by not becoming Indian’s , stay over there in valley we will feed you.
We don’t mind to shelling some money out there , Indian is booming …. Moreover the money comes back to India.
If your heart does not let you to be India , don’t do .
, you will get freedom .
fight unto death
btw, you guys have started the fight way in 1990 , I don’t think it will every end let us be practical .
I can forgive you what about those who has miserable life in there older ages(our grandparents) .
The way to fight back will not be violence , but to show you how much we advance in life.
Make you feel more jealous, it is human tendency.
I would love to do that .
Comment by Vicky — August 14, 2008 @ 12:14 pm
David …
>>HUMAN BEINGS FIGHTING FOR OUR RIGHT TO EXIST AS KASHMIRIS IN A >>KASHMIR WHERE
Does that mean you will start taking a gun and target innocent people?
I don’t have more words to say .
Comment by Vicky — August 14, 2008 @ 12:24 pm
प्रश्न : कौन सा धर्म है , दुनिया भर में आतंकवाद से जुड़ा है ?
उत्तर : मुस्लिम इस्लाम
Comment by जम्मू की वॉइस — August 14, 2008 @ 12:31 pm
Translation: English » Hindi
Golden Truth
Question: Kashmiri Muslim?
Answer
Nahata nhi hai
* yakeen k kaabil nahi hai
*Always Swearing” Allaha Ki Kasam or Khuda ki Kasam” (Caution: but don’t trust them)
*safeed Skinned
*Antinational
*Anti all other religions other than Islam
*Very good and friendly as an individual but dangerous and anti hindu as a group.
*In kashmir talks anti india outside Kashmir talks as nationalist.
*Pro Pakistani
*Survives on financial aid from central govt.
*Enjoys all quotas and subsidies
*Starts Shitting rocks when he has to face a FIERCE DOGRA like me
*Uses word secularism to his convenience.
*Has looted and is using goods from hindu household who fled Kashmir.
*Does not pay water and electricity bills.
*cries crock tears.
* Burns Indian flag in Kashmir and hold Indian flag outside Kasmir.
*Talks JIHAD in Kashmir and talk WORLD PEACE out side kashmir
* Cheers for Pakistan cricket team in Kashmir and Indian Team outside Kashmir.
* Will marry a 16 year old who can be called her grand daughter.
*In kashmir will offer Namas 5 times outside Kashmir will enjoy during ramzan
*In kashmir will celebrate 14th Aug out side Kashmir celebrate 15th Aug.
Well next for rest…!!! keep reading and enjoy स्वर्ण सत्य
प्रश्न : कश्मीरी मुस्लिम ?
उत्तर
नाहटा nhi है
* yakeen ज्ञ्र् kaabil nahi है
* हमेशा शपथ ग्रहण ” Allaha या खुदाबख्श की कसम की कसम ” ( सतर्कता : लेकिन उन पर भरोसा नहीं करते हैं )
* safeed चमड़ी
* विरोधी
* विरोधी अन्य सभी धर्मों के अलावा अन्य इस्लाम
* बहुत अच्छी है और अनुकूल है लेकिन एक व्यक्ति के रूप में खतरनाक और हिन्दू विरोधी एक समूह के रूप में .
* कश्मीर में भारत के बाहर बातचीत कश्मीर वार्ता के विरोधी के रूप में राष्ट्रवादी .
प्रो पाकिस्तानी *
* चलता पर केन्द्रीय सरकार से वित्तीय सहायता .
* सभी आनंद मिलता है और सब्सिडी में आरक्षण
* आरंभ Shitting चट्टानों सामना करने के लिए जब उस ने मेरे जैसे एक उग्र डोगरा
* धर्मनिरपेक्षता को अपनी सुविधा के उपयोग शब्द है .
* ने लूट लिया और माल का उपयोग कर रहा है हिन्दू के घर से भाग गया जो कश्मीर है .
* क्या पानी और बिजली के बिल का भुगतान नहीं है .
* crock आंसू रोता है .
* बर्न्स भारतीय ध्वज और कश्मीर में भारतीय ध्वज पकड़ से बाहर Kasmir .
* वार्ता कश्मीर में जिहाद की बात करते विश्व शांति और कश्मीर से बाहर की ओर
* चीयर्स के लिए पाकिस्तान क्रिकेट टीम में कश्मीर और कश्मीर में भारतीय टीम के बाहर है .
* क्या शादी एक 16 वर्षीय कहा जा सकता है जो उसकी बेटी भव्य है .
* कश्मीर में प्रदान करेगा Namas 5 बार बाहर के दौरान कश्मीर का आनंद ले जाएगा रमजान
* कश्मीर में 14 अगस्त से बाहर करेगा मनाने की ओर कश्मीर 15 अगस्त मनाने
शेष अगले के लिए ठीक है … ! ! ! और पढ़ने का आनंद ले रखें
Comment by जम्मू की वॉइस — August 14, 2008 @ 12:38 pm
* Mr. Ak: I don’t have any hesitation in reciting Jai Hind or Ling Live India! Of Course, a it is always better to have a Strong neighbour.
* Mr Rohit: Why i say Indian Forces beacuse these forces work under the directions and control of Union of India. Hurriyat, etc may also be telling the Indian Forces but i don’t toe their line or philosophy.
* Word for Voice of Jammu/Chandra/Pm/Vicky: There is a famous quote in Kashmiri that ” A Dogs tail was put in a hearth for 12 years to straightin it, but the tail came out in the same form even after being put in the hearth for so may long years”, Same implies to you. Your mind also needs a thorough Galvanising. And, bear it, we are not the Enemies of India but the people like you, who are arrogant and Parish minded, are its Enemies.
God Bless us All- Friends and Foes Alike.
Comment by HAKIM PARVEZ — August 14, 2008 @ 12:47 pm
Reply to HAKIM PARVEZ
HP you including all Kasmiri Muslims are produce of Weak Womb and a Weak deformed Penis to top it all ” TEDHA HAI PAR MERA HAI” we can not deny that you are part of integral part of India.
Comment by जम्मू की वॉइस — August 14, 2008 @ 12:52 pm
The entire problem is only because certain section of Muslims in Kashmir dont think they belong to India. They dont consider themselves Indians and they are also the ones who are adultrating the normal Muslims in Kashmir… They are the ones who are brainwashing the general working innocent class of Kashmiri Muslims with the false propoganda of Economic Blockade, killing of innocent people etc… etc…
Is it possible for a country like India where the number of Muslims is far greater than that in Pakistan to be partial to a particular community and impartial to a particular country… Can india afford to do this…
Our India and all of us are want only peace… we are not biased to Hindus or Muslims or Sikhs … we are biased only to Humanity…
Comment by Rohit — August 14, 2008 @ 12:53 pm
>>” A Dogs tail was put in a hearth for 12 years to straightin it, but the tail came out in the >>same form even after being put in the hearth for so may long years”,
I think it should be modified now .
It should state 20 years , you have been there for 20 years fighting for freedom.
go and fight for freedom, don’t compromise on it . Stick to it till you get is .
Comment by Vicky — August 14, 2008 @ 12:55 pm
Dear Jammu Ki Voice,
We are not the product of a weak womb. Jodha Bhai shall quiet lucidly answer your question.
Moreover, i have already answered to your blog and also given a classification of your Species.
Comment by HAKIM PARVEZ — August 14, 2008 @ 12:59 pm
@ DAVID : Where have you seen me ?
@ BECKS : I would have normally edited the kind of comment you have put in. Since you chose to direct the insult towards me , i would prefer keeping it un-edited. However I would challenge you to prove me wrong for any of the post.
Request to all : Pls have a meaningful exchange with facts.
I would be updating this blog with a new post…..hopefully tonight.
Comment by Editor — August 14, 2008 @ 1:00 pm
>>Can india afford to do this…
kasur musarman tarah ni ye phikrey .
( Kashmiri muslims will not understand it)
Comment by Vicky — August 14, 2008 @ 1:01 pm
HAKIM PARVEZ:
The breed you understand and enjoy is “PIG”
So all you pigs enjoy what you usually DO….. playing in dirt that is what you make KASHMIR. You dirty SULLAS”.
Comment by जम्मू की वॉइस — August 14, 2008 @ 1:10 pm
Dear Hakim…
I really appreciate when you say that you dont toe the philosophy of these seperatists… Thanks for that… This is what we all Indians want… At least this proves one point that everybody doesnt favour these seperatist idots…
Dear Hakim if all the Mislims in Kashmir think this way then imagine how that place will become… it will be again a PARADISE on earth… I hope all think this way…
Comment by Rohit — August 14, 2008 @ 1:11 pm
Islam part of all the present problems in the world.
Comment by जम्मू की वॉइस — August 14, 2008 @ 1:25 pm
Question: Why do Kashmiri Muslims protest with pakistani flag in Kashmir?
Answer: Kashmiri Muslim is Antinational.
Comment by Voice Of Jammu — August 14, 2008 @ 1:31 pm
Dear All,
Lets again resolve and reiterate to having a prolific and cohesive dialogue based on facts and logic and don’t get swayed by the emotions and let always logic surpass the ethreal.
If we all are not even to brige the gulf between ourselves i.e. Socities, faiths, clans than what is the outcome of our emanciapated outlooks and intellect.
Lets resolve to make world an arena of peace and harmony.
You will have 100% support from me.
Waiting for the reply from the likeminded one as i am not now intersted in replying to the hostile one.
Comment by HAKIM PARVEZ — August 14, 2008 @ 1:31 pm
Dear Brothers,
Prophet Mohammad says (PBUH):
“O! People with virtuous deeds, make your presence like a fruitful tree, as any buddy threws stones to it, It showers fruits to them.”
we are not here to fight, but we are here to spread peace and prosperity all over. but you are denying today, one day will come u will become best parts of this band and spread peace without any hesitation and anger.
Brothers! Anger makes one’s soul dark and eyes blind. do you want to choose this way or peace way!
Now it is upto you, but i will never stop, never fade 7 never hate you people. becoz i think and understand it is my duty to show u right path and path of prosperity.
“If you are not able to become star in the sky, try to become candle in ur home!”
Mr Editor,
M i right about u or not?
viewers can visit me at: http://david4ever.wordpress.com
Comment by David — August 14, 2008 @ 1:49 pm
Enemy is not muslim it is ISLAM…. take away ISLAM from muslim he becomes Human…… That is the reason why ISLAM is dangerous for India and world….
We all have to understand it and help muslims to leave Islam and based on truth in ISLAM all I have put up earlier is facts in ISLAM and abt muhammad…….
To get rid of Terrorism get rid of ISLAM from Muslims……. Teach them and educate them……
If they dont listen Then do ALLAH HU AKBAR to them same way they did to wafa sultans prof and many others like taka lat tiploo (PBUT)……
Kuldeep Trisal
Comment by Kuldeep Trisal — August 14, 2008 @ 1:49 pm
Mr. Trisal,
Hope you are back from the work and thatz why you have just signed in and have again started reciting slander against the Holy Religion of Islam.
The fault doesn’t lie in you but in your upbringing. You should not have grouse against Islam but aginst your parents who have not trained you in being a Human.
Comment by HAKIM PARVEZ — August 14, 2008 @ 2:01 pm
Terrorists, Jehadis, Islamists hiding under non-muslim name performing Taquiyya !!
Anyway, those days of Islamic arrogance is over.
Jai ho Jammuites ki. They have shown the way to handle these assholes who eat india’s, but support Pakiland.
Comment by Tathagata Mukherji — August 14, 2008 @ 2:10 pm
“Voice of Jammu” you are trying to be emotional, when you say that
Kashmiri Muslims protest with pakistani flag in Kashmir, hence they are antinational.
You are not 100% correct on this.
The concept of a Nation is different in Islam. Muslims believe that all muslims belong to one nation, which is called a “Ummah” . So a muslim staying in Bosnia and Pakistan and Bharat belong to the same nation. This ummah is not yet complete, because the “kafirs” are still existing in the “Dar-ul-harb”. Bharat is part of “Dar-ul-harb” ( meaning the Home of Hostility )
In 1947 we had a partition of Bharat…. and Pakistan was called as “Islamic Republic of Pakistan” whereas Bharat was NOT called as “Sanatan (Dharm) Republic of Bharat”. Pakistan is already a part of Ummah and the so-called Hindus allowed the Muslims to stay back in Bharat after 1947. That was a big mistake, isn’t it.
Since the Muslims believe in Ummah, they will raise any flag which is closer to the “islamic brotherhood”, which agitates you and to some extent me too. So, the so-called Hindu ( which I prefer to call as Sanatani ) is to be blamed to certain extent.
“voice of jammu” – a question to you ? If you have “bed bugs” or “cockroaches” or “mosquitoes” in and around your house, what do you do ? Do you stay with them or do you use a pesticide to KILL them ?
Comment by Chintamani — August 14, 2008 @ 2:11 pm
Reply to Chintamani
Chintamani you DaaG..!! why are you hiding behind and hindu name. You know this is your problem you think you are intelligent but you are no better than a cheap THIEF.
Go hide under the burkha of your wife/sister/mother.
Comment by Voice Of Jammu — August 14, 2008 @ 2:21 pm
#chita mani … yes we have some cockroaches in India … that is moslems who preach hatred and are serpents …. and insha ullu …. we will get rid of them ….
cockroaches like you …. will see how the people of India will rise and squash you just like bugs …. u pisss sssooooooo….
LIVE AND LET LIVE …
Comment by chandra — August 14, 2008 @ 2:35 pm
Mr hakim… u look also of the generation that was born after 1989… dont blame u… if u were born earlier wouldnt have asked the question about my upbringing…. and type of influence I have seen about ISLAM.
Thank goodness my upbringing was done by kashmiri pandit family. They left kashmir and moved to safer place in India. Unfortunately I have seen so much of Islam before I left and always wondered how could people be like that in the name or religion.
Reading and understanding different cultures in the cult type of religions made me understand that Islam is the biggest and the dangerous cult on earth. And now I have taken upon this herculean task of saving world and especially muslims from ISLAM. We ( you all and myself and others ) together will achieve this and make it possible.
No use of killing any muslim….. we have to kill the thought behind terrorists…. that is muhammads Islam……
Thank you and have a good peaceful and thoughtful sleep…..
Kuldeep
Comment by Kuldeep Trisal — August 14, 2008 @ 2:40 pm
Pakistani Flag Hoisted in Kashmir University
Srinagar, Aug 13: The situation in Kashmir took a new turn Wednesday evening, when the students of Kashmir University, highest seat of learning in Kashmir, hoisted a Pakistani flag on main gate of the campus.
The locals of Hazratbal, some 12 kms from the summer capital Srinagar, said that hundreds of students of Kashmir University came out on roads on Wednesday evening. Raising pro-freedom, pro-Pakistan and anti-India slogans, the university students hoisted the Pakistani flag on the main gate of the university. They also removed the “Gandhi Bhavan” board in the campus and raised pro-freedom slogans. The board has been named after the Indian father of nation, Mahatama Gandhi.
The Pakistani flag was also hoisted on the office of Vice Chancellor’s Secretariat. The Vice Chancellor of Kashmir University, Prof Riyaz Punjabi is the Indian track-II diplomat.
The students have virtually taken over the control of the University, which is the highest seat of learning. Thousands of students are studying in the university.
One of the university students was told over phone that the university is witnessing a total revolution with students virtually in control of the University.
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The real face of these traitors.
Comment by Tathagata Mukherji — August 14, 2008 @ 2:51 pm
“Voice of Jammu”. I have no problems for calling me a DaaG. I woulld request you to please read my post very carefully and then decide whether you have really understood what I have said.
I don’t “think” that I am intelligent… I am simply stating the facts. To counter Islamic fanatics and terrorists you need to understand how they think and what they read.
What do you have to say about my statement which says
“Hindus allowed the Muslims to stay back in Bharat after 1947. That was a big mistake, isn’t it.”
Comment by Chintamani — August 14, 2008 @ 2:51 pm
@voice of jammu
that was not a pakistani flag. remember pakistani flag has a white strip.
if bjp can protest with saffron flag, why cant hurriiet protest with green?
Comment by zahir — August 14, 2008 @ 2:54 pm
Zahir>>if bjp can protest with saffron flag, why cant hurriiet protest with green?
BJP is not chanting anti-indian , pro-pakistan slogan.
Anyway, u guys shall be screwed, and not even Allah can save these folks. Just watch how it happens in the coming years and decades.
TOO MUCH PAMPERING created scums like these. Now, smell Coffee !
Comment by Tathagata Mukherji — August 14, 2008 @ 2:56 pm
Chandra you are correct in saying that
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“yes we have some cockroaches in India … that is moslems who preach hatred and are serpents …. and insha ullu …. we will get rid of them …. ”
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but you are incorrect when you saying that
cockroaches like you …. will see how the people of India will rise and squash you just like bugs …. u pisss sssooooooo….
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Chandra, Please note that in my Post I am using the name of the country as “Bharat” and not “India” The name “India” was given to us by the Britishers/westners. The correct name of our country is “BharatVarsha” and not “India”
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Comment by Chintamani — August 14, 2008 @ 2:59 pm
Zahir, Whatever green or red strips the Kashmiri Muslims have on the flags, it has a chand-sitara on it, so we take it as islamic flag… whichever country it belongs too. Muslims are not expected to raise a saffron flag, since they have hatred towards anything and everything that is saffron.
Comment by Chintamani — August 14, 2008 @ 3:07 pm
Chintamani ….. i got the point …. perhaps you were not clear enough in your post ….
and its not about the name …. i would not mind if kashmiri moslems say JAI BHARAT OR JAI INDIA …. or JAI HIND ….
its about the patriotism …. its about the belonging to the country in which you have always lived …. and i wont even mind if after JAI INDIA they add JAI KASHMIR always …. but these people are the most untrustworthy and serpentine creatures who are destroying themselves …. and if they cant understand this soon enuf …. then they will get destroyed by us ….
and they are the most gullible and stupid creatures if they think that they can think of ummah or anything …. they cant even live peacefully among themselves … forget getting the whole world … look what happens in paki-shaitan every day … and kashmiri stupid moslems shout about paki-shaitan …. ?? … ARE YOU KASHMIRI MOSLEMS SOME CHOOTIYAS ….shout anybodys praise but paki-shaitan….. you pple are just pathetic … God have mercy on you …
LIVE AND LET LIVE ….
Comment by chandra — August 14, 2008 @ 3:10 pm
mr zahir muslims can protest with green flags…. but what they do while protesting raise anti india slogans…… and say “hum kya chathte aazadi” doing anti national things… and what not thats against india…
I m not against islam …even i respect it eqully as i respect my own religion.. i m against people who divide contry on the base of religin .. i m aginst those media chanls who do a step motherly tretmnt against jammu… i m against those people who r anti indians…….. if any muslim is having any problem with my comment i ll say he is not an indian AND HE IS NOT WORTH THAT…
PROUD TO BE AN INDIAN.. JAI HIND ..
Comment by Neha bhat — August 14, 2008 @ 3:15 pm
Reply to zahir
Zahir amd all you “Sullas” India hates you. All you can think is always anti india. You can take your family across LOC and stay there for ever and be happy. Stop consuming our food and land.
Comment by Voice Of Jammu — August 14, 2008 @ 3:18 pm
THIS IS NOT A RELIGIOUS FIGHT.
ITS A FIGHT BETWEEN NATIONALISTS AND JEHADIS/ISLAMISTS/TERRORISTS/ANTI-NATIONALS.
NOW, MAKE NO MISTAKE: YOU GUYS (JEHADIS/ISLAMISTS/TERRORISTS/ANTI-NATIONALS) SHALL BE SCREWED THROUGHLY.
NATIONALISTS ARE UNITING, AND SOONER OR LATER YOU JEHADIS/ISLAMISTS/TERRORISTS/ANTI-NATIONALS DAYS ARE OVER.
Comment by Tathagata Mukherji — August 14, 2008 @ 3:24 pm
NO GANDHIBABA, NEHRU IS COMING TO SAVE U JEHADIS/TERRORISTS/ANTI-NATIONALS/TERRORISTS THIS TIME.
U ARE AT MERCY OF 100 CRORE PLUS INDIANS.
MODI IS COMING- AND FINISH OFF THESE SCUMS FOREVER.
Comment by Tathagata Mukherji — August 14, 2008 @ 3:26 pm
When Pakistan attacks LAL MASJID in pakistan and kills mullas its killing hardliners and no one in Kashmir objects.
If you arrest hardliners in Kashmir who are blaring anti india slogans and killing hindus it violation of human rights.
Shame on your Islam and Muslim Community.
Comment by Voice Of Jammu — August 14, 2008 @ 3:28 pm
#HAKIM PARVEZ
I repeat my stand; even if you compare it with dog’s tail ; but your Piggy snort’s (don’t mind because animalification was started by you) need to clearly countered.
India, like any other country, is a political identity which use to envelope in Past what today counts Afghanistan, Pakistan, Bangladesh, and even Iran… Though the vast number of Historic vedic temples can even be found in Russia; but countries like russia were never a part of India…
as predominantly we are contexting ourself with Indian democracy in this modern context, as Indians cope up with the reality which Muslims failed in case of Israel, Beslan and even in case of kashmir……. so I will not put things questioning the legaity on existence of Bangladesh, pakistan, Afghanistan and Iran like Muslim question on Israel; but I will also not ignore the Islamic bigotry….. so lets check some basic facts
1) Democratic India, wrapped well in modern context, is a political Identiy inside geographic area mixed of not only Hindu nationalist parties, which Muslim condemn… but also with Islamofacist Jammat-e-Islami, PDP and various other ulema union parties that do share in many historical chapters to follow an Ideology of ‘Namak-Harami’ …. it also enwarps pseudo-secular congi’s ; whose president can’t sleep after Jihadi haneef was exposed in Australia; but can sleep after serial blast… then we also have psuedo-congi communist that want special treatment to Muslim… and so on…
So the question is not regarding your indianess as all above are counted as indians… in fact even ‘Indian Mujahdeen’ call themselves proudly Indian; and even a pakistani owned restaurant sell its food with name ‘Indian food’…. the Question is, which political sphere you want to defend, preserve and support.
2) You are not enemy of India, but can i say that you are behaving like an enemy of Human dignity? India is known with various name, including Bharat, Hindustan and the most historic name whose legacy is today claimed today by Pakistan, and more heavily by Iran…… Arya-vrat. so even if you have enimity towards india, India will survive in what ever way. even if the peoples inside it follow Jihadi Islam, or vedic Hinduism, or Buddhism… so question of enmity is your personal domain, likes-dislikes with no one really interested in that…
the question is which political stand do you have…. what future do you dream for India. a democratic India, or some other form of India ruled on religious norms.
3) Indian have a proud, that their India never launched a war on anyone in his entire history; rather give shelter to the victim…. is it true for Indian Muslims ? if i am right, it was Indian Muslims who acted as a black Islamic sheep, and and had attacked Haseemite empire of Jordan, giving authority of Islamic holy cities to Wahhabi-saudis…. forgot the lessons from 1920’s..
or should i speak in modern context… will Indian Muslim stand up against Indian Muslim politicians, that call for beheading of Danish cartoonist ….. beside this had attack taslima which condemn genocides… not to mention that this never matches the india, that i support… Aka: an india which give shelter to victims and weak peoples.
4) your big words remind me of Mawdudi…. a prominent figure that had opposed indian partition, but also had empowered Indian nationalist muslims via Islamic banking… the money was later used to attack indian hindus, and foundation of pakistan was laid… he was also not an enemy of India… what he followed is command of a 6th century rapist-looter what i pointed above in my uzbekmuslim link. so what are you following ?
5) which genocide does today Muslim world recognize.. except Bosnian and Gujarat ofcourse !! ? why should we make a deal with perpertrators, who even dont feel sorry for what they have done in past, and are willing to repeat it….. though victims currently are not us, but someone else…. why should we let others to fall in same sh*t ?
6) why is it that you want a deal ‘Only’ with Kashmiri pandits… and is taking a very spoiled and unclear political stand, ignoring the fact that victims are beyong kashmir, kashmiri identity and kashmiri pandits…. Victims are even beyond India…. victims are generic Humans around the globe, that disagree with political Islam….. so why us to make a deal with such anti-human system.
7) secular democracy has roots in Freedom (mainly Freedom of expression ) and equal rights, and Freedom of Religion comes far more later …. 1st comes Freedom of expression and Freedom of Speech. Muslim context repersent other way of political system, In which Freedom of religion comes 1st, then comes everything (not to mention that slavery of kufars is also accepted as its allowed and prescribed in Islam); which is against against equality…. so what do you represent.
so from all point, base comes on one question… what you want to defend…. Political Islam and Religious-centric-society in which the god you pray defines what right you have, … or secular-Human-centric democractic values that provide equal rights to all citizen from any religion, caste, color ….
One more thing, so many article above Bashing Hindus … must not forget that India even a mix of so many political ideologies still promise everyone equal rights in its secular law, including to bigot Muslims; and is a flourishing democracy that is praised around the world….. but let me ask, one single Islamic country that promise equal rights to non-muslims, forget the democracy and secularness…. what they have accepted after 50 yrs of universal human right declaration was Cairo Human right declaration, which even don’t consider non-muslims worth to be human.
Questions ?
Comment by PM — August 14, 2008 @ 3:35 pm
“The Amarnath Shrine Board must be allotted land to erect temporary structures for pilgrims. This is our country and the land belongs to us. Why should we be scared to acquire it from the Jammu and Kashmir government?” RAMDEV told a packed a media conference here.
Comment by Tathagata Mukherji — August 14, 2008 @ 3:42 pm
There are two “bhat” posts on this blog. I thought that the “bhats” will put the facts in this blog and they will not think like pseudo-secularists. But I am wrong.
Neha says “I m not against islam” but if “Islam is against you” then what will you do ? If they come to kill you, what will you do ? Will you still say that you are “PROUD TO BE AN INDIAN”
VoiceOfJammu –> Muslims will allways think anti-Bharat because BharatVarsha does not have all muslims. You are saying that muslims should cross LoC, but believe me even if they go, they will come back, once again, because of the preachings in Koran and that Bharat is still a non-muslim majority country.
I am putting you the same question again after amending a little bit, so that you understand what point I want to make. Please read it carefully. I think you must have been a kid when so-called Babri was demolished, but we were grown-ups in Dec 1992 :
“voice of jammu” – a question to you ? If you have “bed bugs” or “cockroaches” or “mosquitoes” in and around your house, what do you do ? Do you catch them and put it in your neighbour’s house (LoC) ? And if you kick these “bugs” out, will they not multiply and again infect/attack your house? My answer would be to use a “pesticide” to kill these “bugs”. What is yours ?
Comment by Chintamani — August 14, 2008 @ 3:47 pm
Jehadis/Wahabis/Deobandis/terrorists/Anti-Nationals:
Ur days are numbered. MAKE NO MISTAKE ABT IT AS 100 CRORE PLUS INDIANS ARE UNITING.
Comment by Tathagata Mukherji — August 14, 2008 @ 3:47 pm
RESETTLE KASHMIRI HINDUS IN THE VALLEY: RAMDEV
The guru also linked the issue of the “resettlement” of the Kashmiri Hindu oustees, who were forced to leave the state when insurgency in the state peaked during the 1990s, to his Amarnath crusade.
He said the displaced Kashmiri Hindu Pandit community should be re-settled in Kashmir.
Comment by Tathagata Mukherji — August 14, 2008 @ 3:51 pm
Neha there is no need to respect Islam…. I understand why u say so is because u are nice and decent person yourself…..
To understand your enemy(jehadis) understand ISLAM
And to kill your enemy teach ISLAM and make it understood in right way.
I am not cooking up any thing… it is there in the religious texts and needs people with guts to question them….. because Muhammad said:
“O ye who believe! Ask not questions about things which if made plain to you, may cause you trouble… Some people before you did ask such questions, and on that account lost their faith.” (Quran. 5:101-102)
Kuldeep Trisal
Comment by Kuldeep Trisal — August 14, 2008 @ 3:54 pm
JEHADIS/TERRORISTS/ANTI-NATIONAL KASHMIRIS CREWED MORE THAN THEY COULD TAKE.
NOW, INDIANS, PARTICULARLY IN NORTHERN INDIAN STATES ARE GOING TO UNITE AND SEND BJP IN A BIG WAY.
JEHADIS SCREWED UP BY BABA BHOLENATH – ROYALLY !!
Comment by Tathagata Mukherji — August 14, 2008 @ 3:56 pm
NATIONALISTS ARE GOING TO RISE WHENEVER, WHEREVER INDIA IS UNDER ATTACK BY ANTI-NATIONALS.
Those days of Jehadi pampering by Gandhibaba, Nehru are over.
At last.
Comment by Tathagata Mukherji — August 14, 2008 @ 4:00 pm
Kuldeep Trisal,
Your post is the BEST of all till now….. HATS OFF TO YOU !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You nailed it perfectly…. To the point…..
To understand your enemy(jehadis) understand ISLAM
We do not need a “TIT FOR TAT”
but the need of the hour is “BIGGER TIT FOR TAT”
To finish “terrorism” you need a “super-terrorism” and not “anti-terrorism”
Comment by Chintamani — August 14, 2008 @ 4:04 pm
I agree with u chintamani our goal is same ways may be different…..
U attack and kill muslims ur way — Goal is terrorist free world
My way attack Islam.. The root cause of all evil….. Goal to free the world
There is no other way…. cant sweet talk to terrorist telling him I beleive u. Either Kill him or kill ISLAM. Then Bitta karatas and Yasin Maliks will be ruling us instead kill them.
Who ever kills one of the above two(yasin malik or bitta karate) I will give him myself 5000 US$ I swear and raise more money for him My promise….
Kuldeep trisal
Comment by Kuldeep Trisal — August 14, 2008 @ 4:11 pm
Dear PM (of Jammu),
The Marxisit axiom that Religion is the Opium and the sacred tool of exploiting the Humans shall best suit the pagans, which are, off and on, cursing the Islam for their individual and collective follies.
The true gist of any religion lies in its appeal and, of course, the criticism it invites. Islam for that matter is an eye sore for all the individuals, of course, for them who don’t swear by it.
For prophessing your own individualistic religion, you have to first imbibe the basic fandamentals of it and don’t go by declarations or treaties.
I would be more than happy if any one of my Hindu Blogger Friends would have accepted and replied to my earlier blog wherein i had written that the word Hindu is itself a misnomer as it has a Geographical connotation. Swearing by Ramayan/ Mahabharta doesn’t make you a true hindu. I would have appreciated had anyone amongst you quoted anyone amongst the 4 Vedas, which do form the basic Holy manuscripts of the Hindu Religion. How can i debate with a person who hasn’t even read or isn’t aware of his basic manuscripts, which , of course, form the main fundamentals of his faith.
No one can better describe the concept of Democracy than a true muslim and the fault in not adopting the said protocol lies in that individual not in the concept. Similar is the case with the Islam. Presently you will find more hardcore elements (in every religion) who in the garb of prophessing a particular faith do slander that faith, unintentionally. Our prophet Mohamad (PBUH) had said that when you don’t have anyone to deliberate upon while addressing a problem you should have consultation with your cap. The concept is that since cap can’t speak but you need to discuss and deliberate with someone. And if its is not the basic principle of democrarcy i.e. deliberation, than what is this?
Withal, the concepts and ideas should always be your own and pristine not borrowed one. I would more than apprreciate if you could give your own concept of anycracy than be dependant on the concepts of socialist democcracy, bla, bla, bla.
Comment by HAKIM PARVEZ — August 14, 2008 @ 4:25 pm
Great to see all Indians united and taking a tough stand…. Great work guys!!! Keep up at it… We should forget everything and unite to fight Islamic terrerism and anti national elements.
Comment by AK — August 14, 2008 @ 4:29 pm
yes ….this is what is the need of the hour is …
to UNITE AND BRING THIS ISLAMIC TERRORISM DOWN …AND ANYBODY WHO HELPS THEM IS AN ENEMY AND WILL BE BROUGHT DOWN TOO ….
FOR THIS IT IS NECESSARY TO BRING NATIONALIST PARTY BJP TO POWER AND MAKE SURE THAT IT DELIVERS ON ITS PROMISES ….
MAKE SURE WE ALL VOTE FOR BJP IN THE ELECTIONS THIS TIME ….
LIVE AND LET LIVE ….
Comment by chandra — August 14, 2008 @ 4:35 pm
Kuldeep Trisal…. Our AIM seems to be same…. When I said…..
To finish “terrorism” you need a “super-terrorism” and not “anti-terrorism”
What I was referring to was
the definition of terrorism as per the FBI
“Terrorism is the unlawful use of force or violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives.”
Now lets see what Koran says. Koran directs Muslims to follow Islam and what does the Koran states for non-believers in Allah ~( i.e. Kafirs i.e. infidels)
(Koran 69:30-37) “(It will be said) Take him and fetter him and expose him to hell fire. And then insert him in a chain whereof the length is seventy cubits. Lo! he used not to believe in God the tremendous, and urged not on the feeding of the wretched. Therefore hath he no lover hear this day nor any food save filth which none but sinners eat.”
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So should we not amend the English dictionary and put the “Islam” and “Terrorrism” as synonyms
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Comment by Chintamani — August 14, 2008 @ 4:37 pm
This is a good one…. I just got full form of ISLAM
Ignorance, Savagery, Lopsided thinking, Arrogance and Misogyny
Comment by AK — August 14, 2008 @ 4:46 pm
Mr hakim…..
I think we should keep to the subject or terrorism…..
We are not asking u to become hindus….. we are asking you about ur own faith AND TERRORISM…… will u allow ur neignbour who is 54 yrs old marry ur 6 year old daughter or sister…… yes or no…. Momahad did it… do u want to live a life like that of a pervertand follow his footsteps …..
Kashmiri muslims openly said that leave ur ladies behind in kashmir and we will kill u all men who are pandits….. exactly what muhammad did killed people and then married their wives and said he married widows…. but who made them widows in first place…….
remember” asi kay gachi pakistan batav rous batnav saan” remember u kashmiri muslims and mourans did u not act like ur mohamad. meaning for non kashmiri hindus is “what we want is pakistan without kashmiri pandits but with their sisters and mothers and wives” This is kashmiriyat the muslim way. BLAME GOES TO ISLAM AND MOHAMMAD IN PARTICULAR WHO TOLD THEM LIVE A PERFECT LIFE LIKE MINE.
Somebody questioned my up bringing…. I listened to that when I should have heard about the brotherhood of man and father hood of God…… AND heard about how loving and caring our muslim neighbour is…….. but muslim is good as long as he is alone…… but with ISLAM especially after friday prayers when mullas tell them muhammad said u have place in heven if u kill pandits……. what happens.
Time for you to leave ISLAM and be humans…….
Thanks for reading
Kuldeep Trisal
Comment by Kuldeep Trisal — August 14, 2008 @ 4:53 pm
Shame on you KASHMIRI MUSLIMS you stink.
Comment by Voice Of Jammu — August 14, 2008 @ 5:04 pm
Mr Trisal,
I am so sorry for your self imposed Exodus and don’t have any words to salute your pussilanimity, spritlessness and cowardice. You left Valley because u deserved it as we didn’t want any coward in the valley.
How many of the KP’s are in the Indian Army. Why don’t the KP’s join Indian Army. Why there is not anyone amongst you like Maharana Partap or Tipu Sultan. The problem lies in your generics because you need only reservations in J&K, Kerala, Mahrashtra and, of course, Jobs just harping on the anti Kashmiri Muslim Sentiment.
You cowards, had you been in Valley you would have still been a society of Govt Clerks. U should be gratefull to the Kashmiri Muslims to expose you to the whole of India.
My sincere advice go and join Indian Army (which you pandits would never do) than be posted in Kashmir and you may get a chance to take revenge from us. Otherwise, your writing wouldn’t impress me as i know it is fathomless and delusive, as i know ur worth and guts.
Comment by HAKIM PARVEZ — August 14, 2008 @ 5:16 pm
I m wondering y u people are calling india as your nation. I think u r not aware about you history.
Can u give me answer to these questions:
How India has formed?
How these Himalayas come into existence?
what is the history of J&K and to which country it is actually associated?
To which country the fossils found in Kashmir during the excavation resembles and reflects the culture and traditions?
Y u r in shadow and illetrate !
Regards
David
viewers can visit me at http://david4ever.wordpress.com
Comment by David — August 14, 2008 @ 5:23 pm
Hakim,
Does ISLAM make you retarded or what? Please go and do some homework before you make broad claims. FYI, there are a lot of KPs in Indian Army. Leutinent General, GOC, Northern Command is a KP. But I guess doing Namaaz 5 times a day; you don’t even get time to pee.
But Muslims are really brave; must admit. They have the ts to marry their sisters and produce retards (scientificaly proven)
Comment by AK — August 14, 2008 @ 5:28 pm
You said it right Mr. Parvez about the
“”Marxisit axiom that Religion is the Opium “”
Yes Parvez !! man-made religions like Islam is the Opium for Muslims which had a bumper crop in Upa-gana-sthan which in modern history is called as Afghanistan, till United States bombed the Taliban regime. So nowadays this opium is sowed in Pakistan and elsewhere, Wahabi Saudi Arabia being the financier.
You said it right Mr. Parvez about the
“”The true gist of any religion lies in its appeal and, of course, the criticism it invites. “”
Yes Parvez !! Till now it is criticism… because criticism is the first step towards aggresive compaign with an ultimate goal of complete anhilation of the “criticised”. Unfortunately the majority Dharm (which you call as religion) in Bharat is just coming out of the shell of passivism. Jammu is just a start…
You said it right Mr. Parvez when you said
“”…that the word Hindu is itself a misnomer as it has a Geographical connotation. ”
The word Hindav was first coined by Zorashtrians. Even in the Avesta, the people to the East of River Sindhu were called as Hindavs and later on the Persians started calling Hindavs as Hindu. That is because there is no “S” in Old persian language. The “S” is called as “H” in Old Persian. The people from East of Sindhu accepted the word “Hindu” as the King Zarathrusta had declared that his citizens in the kingdom are “fire” workshipers and fire is also sacred in the Vedic rituals (which is part of the greater Sanatan Dharm )…. AND BY THE WAY THE WORD PARVEZ COMES FROM THE SANSKRIT WORD “APAR” + “VEZ” AND ITS A PERSIAN NAME AND NOT A MUSLIM NAME. SO BEWARE THAT FEW WAHABIS FROM SAUDI MAY EVEN TARGET YOU.
You said it right Mr. Parvez when you said
Swearing by Ramayan/ Mahabharta doesn’t make you a true hindu.
I do not restrict to myself as a Hindu, but a person who belongs to the “Sanatan Dharm” which roughly translates to “Eternal set of principles/laws”.
Ramayan is “Ram” + “Ayan” which means historical travelog of Prabhu Ramchandra from Ayodhya to Lanka. Remember, that it is a travel history, ending with a war. Inform your “Islamic brotherhood” that after “Ramayan” there was a “Mahabharat” which is again a historical war against the evils and devils of Adharm… and the adharm in today’s context is Islam.
Satya Sanatan Dharm Ki Jay !!!
Comment by Chintamani — August 14, 2008 @ 5:29 pm
Dear AK,
But no KP has ever got liquidated in Kashmir. So how can i believe that KP’s flourish abundantly in the Indian Army. Leave aside Generals, for which you don’t have worth, yes, cooks… must be lot of them as they seldom go to the battlefield to fight.
Check the web site of Indian Army or file an application under RTI, you would yourself feel ashamed for your statement and chromosomes, of course.
Comment by HAKIM PARVEZ — August 14, 2008 @ 5:35 pm
Dear AK,
How is a Genl Ghai, GOC and Genl Panag of N-Command related to you.
Comment by HAKIM PARVEZ — August 14, 2008 @ 5:37 pm
david johnson … u are confused …..
hakim …
nobody would have run away from kashmir …. if serpentine and the hypocrite kashmiri moslems did not have supported the terrorists ….
whenever India has had enough of all this in kashmir … it will send someone like gill there and everything will turn normal very soon ….. BEWARE ….
LIVE AND LET LIVE ….
Comment by chandra — August 14, 2008 @ 5:43 pm
Question: Are Kashmiri Hindus living in self imposed exile?
Answer: Only a Kashmiri Muslim “BASTARD” can say this. Who would like to leave his house and belongings and run to a place without a roof over his head.
You take this step only when your life, family, honor and prestige is under threat.
Enjoy reading
Comment by Voice Of Jammu — August 14, 2008 @ 5:49 pm
Question: What Techniques Kashmiri Muslims applied to Drive out Kashmiri Hindus from Kashmir?
*It started with Mufti engineering his daughters abduction Mehbooba Mufti.
*Kashmiri Muslims armed with AK 47 stared threatening and killing Hindus in Kashmir
*Kashmiri Muslims openly started burning hindu houses.
*Kashmiri Muslims did not stop at this they started selectively attacking and raping Hindu women.
*Mosques in Kashmir openly started threatening hindus and telling they to change their faith or leave leaving their women folk behind or face death.
* Kashmiri Muslins openly danced around the dead bodies of killed hindus.
* Kashmiri Muslims started abducting school/college going hindu girls.
* Kashmiri Muslims started grenade attacks on hindu houses.
* Kashmiri Muslim mob used to gather outside hindu houses and threaten them.
Comment by Voice Of Jammu — August 14, 2008 @ 5:51 pm
I told you I am not here to kill muslims but to teach u ISLAM not the mulla way but the real way putting truths on ur face, Making you aware of the lie Quran has told you, and ur mullas have twisted in order to have personnel gains.
I have seen some pics of mullas marrying small girls less than 10 yrs old and mullas are more than 50 yrs old let me find a link and post it here. But then it is what Muhammad did he followed ISLAM.
Kill muslims and 10 more will be born and I dont want to be killer but want to be educator, to teach u Islam and guide you so u can guide others that way no one dies but ISLAM — the thought behind Terrorism.
I am sure there are enough people with young blood to kill people like you… isn’t most of the army Hindus, that have butchered enough muslims.
It is easier to fight with AK47 but I am talking ISLAM defend urself and ur muhammad why u are becoming shaky.
Keep to the topic of terrorism…. or ISLAM as both are synonyms.
here is ur link I promised can this pic say a lie… will u marry ur 6 year old sister or daughter to this mulla they are free after talaq talaq talaq…..:
http://www.faithfreedom.org/Gallery/16.htm
Pictures dont lie: Hindus you also please see the pics and give your opinion.
Keep posting…. bring it on I am waiting to teach u….. no answers from you the mullas want more…. ISLAM ALLOWS it
Kuldeep Trisal
Comment by Kuldeep Trisal — August 14, 2008 @ 5:55 pm
Question: What is the contibution on Kashmiri Muslim to India?
Answer: Terrorism, Loot, Killings, making 5lk hindus refugees in their own county,rapes and much much more.
Comment by Voice Of Jammu — August 14, 2008 @ 5:57 pm
#HAKIM PARVEZ
communist best allies are today Muslims.. infact the paganic system you are points is no different form islamic sharia…
forgot that Jesus was taken from one religious court to another, and at last was crucifixed on name of committing Blasphemy …. that was a system based on religious-god-based-justice; a similar system is been tried to be remounted today, by no one else…. but the Muslims…. comments ?
your Prophet ( may god forgive him for whole misery he brought to world, and let her soul in peace ) never discussed anything except womens, sex , slavery and attacking inncent peoples of other clans , that do not subjected themselves Mohammedian ideology, and moon god allah…. am i wrong ? the annual fest of Ed-ul-fitr is perhaps the best example of that! can you please specify how he sorted the peoples to be slughtered, to be slaved and to be raped; when he attacked Banu Qaynuqa. Not to mention that he crossed the limit when he slaughtered civilians, whereas normally a war is confined to military conflicts. Certainty it also explain why ‘Muslim Jihadi warrior’ attack civilians, rather then facing army face to face….
Hindu word is not even mentioned in Ramayan, Mahabharat or vedas… should i discuss where the word came from ? its a persian word which Mohammedians had given to peoples of vedic civilization when Islamofacist dealed with slaves from indian subcontient. Brown skin slaved were known as Hindu, which means dark in persian…. treatment of vedic peoples was one of the worst one can think under islamic emporers, including those who are mentioned as Great Mughals in indian history… thanks to 1st Education minister of India(a muslim imported by congressians; that had activly contributed in past as a member of young turks that killed millions during Armenian holocuast). It was British which identified religion with names like Buddhism, Hinduism in Indian history after 1000 yrs of Islamic rule …… not to mention that Aurangzeb(the Muslims till today address that fanatic Mohammedian as allemgir) pointed all of them as Paganic kuffars…
so a person is Hindu, when he understand what it really means….. rather then how he was born….. and a person is hindu when is understand how he was oppressed under islamic rule; when he stand stiff so that history does not repeat, and he confine himself with the defination of Human dignity, under which he will not let even others to fall under that…. and currently i will call call indians as seculars, and not hindus… seculars who are not well informed about their own past
Regarding Manuscript.. no vedic person follow it today… in-fact it was discarded centuries back. even during krishna’s period no one followed manuscrippt…. beside this what you in-fact ignored is 6 centuries time period previous to Islamic invasion, a time when teachings of budda replaced old previous capitalisc teaching that prevailed in indian subcontinent after , and the fall of followers of Budda is crowned to Jihadis attack,and not on what is defined as Hindus…
Comment by PM — August 14, 2008 @ 5:57 pm
its a shameful religion of paedophiles …. they should be hanged along with afzal guru …
upa is a sickular government that the terrorist is still not hanged ….
make sure that we all vote for the BJP this time …
LIVE AND LET LIVE …
Comment by chandra — August 14, 2008 @ 6:01 pm
History of Kashmir:
According to the instruments of partition of India, the rulers of princely states were given the choice to freely accede to either India or Pakistan, or to remain independent. They were, however, advised to accede to the contiguous dominion, taking into consideration the geographical and ethnic issues.
In Kashmir, however, the Maharaja hesitated. The Maharaja, fearing tribal warfare, eventually gave way to the Indian pressure and agreed to join India by signing the Instrument of Accession on 26 October 1947. Kashmir was provisionally accepted into the Indian Union pending a free and impartial plebiscite. This was spelled out in a letter from the Governor General of India, Lord Mountbatten, to the Maharaja on 27 October 1947. In the letter, accepting the accession, Mountbatten made it clear that the State would only be incorporated into the Indian Union after a reference had been made to the people of Kashmir.
In the last days of 1948, a ceasefire was agreed under UN auspices; however, since the plebiscite demanded by the UN was never conducted, relations between India and Pakistan soured,[11] and eventually led to two more wars over Kashmir in 1965 and 1999. India has control of about half the area of the former princely state of Jammu and Kashmir; Pakistan controls a third of the region, the Northern Areas, or historically known as regions of Gilgit and Baltistan; and Pakistan Occupied Kashmir. According to Encyclopaedia Britannica, “Although there was a clear Muslim majority in Kashmir before the 1947 partition and its economic, cultural, and geographic contiguity with the Muslim-majority area of the Punjab (in Pakistan) could be convincingly demonstrated, the political developments during and after the partition resulted in a division of the region. Pakistan was left with territory that, although basically Muslim in character, was thinly populated, relatively inaccessible, and economically underdeveloped. The largest Muslim group, situated in the Vale of Kashmir and estimated to number more than half the population of the entire region, lay in Indian-administered territory, with its former outlets via the Jhelum valley route blocked.”
The UN Security Council on 20 January 1948 passed Resolution 39, establishing a special commission to investigate the conflict. Subsequent to the commission’s recommendation, the Security Council ordered in its Resolution 47, passed on 21 April 1948, that the invading Pakistani army retreat from Jammu & Kashmir and that the accession of Kashmir to either India or Pakistan be determined in accordance with a plebiscite to be supervised by the UN. In a string of subsequent resolutions, the Security Council took notice of the continuing failure by India to hold the plebiscite.
The Government of India holds that the Maharaja signed a document of accession to India October 26, 1947. Pakistan has disputed whether the Maharaja actually signed the accession treaty before Indian troops entered Kashmir. Furthermore, Pakistan claims the Indian government has never produced an original copy of this accession treaty and thus its validity and legality is disputed. However, India has produced the instrument of accession with an original copy image on its website. Alan Campbell-Johnson, the press attache to the Viceroy of India states that “The legality of the accession is beyond doubt
Links for further information:
http://www.kashmiri-cc.ca/misc/UNRESOLV.htm
Regards
David
Viewers can visit me at : http://david4ever.wordpress.com
Comment by David — August 14, 2008 @ 6:06 pm
>>Kashmir and you may get a chance to take revenge from us
killing you will not be the way to take revenge , I wish you guys live for 100 years and we rule you back , We dominate you , you let serve as drivers,cobblers,butchers etc
>>You cowards, had you been in Valley you would have still been a society of Govt >>Clerks
We were there because of out *TALENT* and meritocracy .
All the seats which probability would have taken by KP’s goes to you now (engineering/medicine etc) , but you still will not grow .
Growth is not important to you , what is important is freedom .
Keep calling us coward who cares , this coward pays hefty tax on which you guys thrive.
It is like begging in a golden bowl .
Comment by Vicky — August 14, 2008 @ 6:11 pm
@ Kuldeep
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I have seen some pics of mullas marrying small girls less than 10 yrs old and mullas are more than 50 yrs old let me find a link and post it here. But then it is what Muhammad did he followed ISLAM.
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This is shocking , I did not know this .
Comment by Vicky — August 14, 2008 @ 6:17 pm
Vicky it is true read more about islam and u will understand the facts about terrorism…. Muhammad is to be blamed to the Terrorism in present age……
He left a horrible example to muslims to follow…. otherwise could you see this happen in 21st century……. Blame ISLAM
Dont be shocked there is toooooooooooooooooo much crap in ISLAM…..
Why did muhamad marry 6 year old Aiesha when he was 54…… Imagine what a pervert…..
look what mullas do now…….. Link below
http://www.faithfreedom.org/Gallery/16.htm
Teach ISLAm to MUSLIMS and help them they are crying for help….. listen to them
save MUSLIMS from ISLAM….
Muslim – ISLAM = Human
Human + ISLAM = Terrorist
Human+ISLAM+ Mohammad = pervert mulla who incidentally is terrorist
Keep bringing it on….. Ask muslims how old was aiesha whe Muhammad married her U will be surprised….. and They want to live the life like his……
Kuldeep Trisal
Comment by Kuldeep Trisal — August 14, 2008 @ 6:39 pm
Kuldeep,
This is really shocking for me , I will take out some time and read this book.
Not sure if I get this book here in India , can you send me the softcopy of this book.
BTW , which part of the country are you putting ?
Regards,
Vicky
Comment by Vicky — August 14, 2008 @ 7:11 pm
Question: Who were the people who embraced ISLAM initially?
Answer:
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* People with weak moral character who can marry as many times as he feels.
* Can marry and lay with his sister (saves him time and energy
* Outlaws who were told to convert or get executed.
* Vandals who could not lead normal life in civilised society.
* Thieves
* Thuggs
And the list goes on
Comment by Voice Of Jammu — August 14, 2008 @ 7:11 pm
Check this PIC… what will you call this.
http://www.faithfreedom.org/Gallery/5.htm
Comment by Voice Of Jammu — August 14, 2008 @ 7:17 pm
How in human
http://www.faithfreedom.org/Gallery/11.htm
It is very hard to believe, but this is the truth.
Comment by Vicky — August 14, 2008 @ 7:22 pm
And they call us coward. They are sick ;(
http://www.faithfreedom.org/Gallery/17.htm
Comment by Vicky — August 14, 2008 @ 7:26 pm
these suckers need to be taught the harshest lessons …
Comment by chandra — August 14, 2008 @ 7:30 pm
http://www.faithfreedom.org/Gallery/19.htm
they don’t respect there women too ….
Comment by Vicky — August 14, 2008 @ 7:34 pm
We are very sad over Balwant Rai Khajuria’s suicide in Jammu. He killed himself over the Amarnath land row. Balwant Rai Khajuria, a retired official, consumed poison and ended his life at Hiranagar, 60 km southwest of Jammu.
Balwant Rai Ji Amar rahe !!!!
Jai Bharat !!!
Comment by Chintamani — August 14, 2008 @ 7:36 pm
Balwant Rai Khajuria, a retired official, allegedly consumed poison and ended his life at Hiranagar, 60 km southwest of Jammu.
The witnesses said he collapsed in front of members of the Shri Amarnath Sangharsh Samiti, which has been protesting the cancellation of the land allotment to a board managing the Amarnath yatra in the wake of protests in the Kashmir Valley.
Full coverage: Amarnath land row
He reportedly said before dying: “The government is not listening to us. I hereby end my life for the cause.”
On July 23, Kuldip Kumar, a young man from Bishanah, a township about 20 km west of Jammu, came to Samiti leaders on a relay hunger strike and committed suicide in a similar manner
Comment by Voice Of Jammu — August 14, 2008 @ 7:44 pm
Dear All wish you a very happy independance day…!!!
Comment by Voice Of Jammu — August 14, 2008 @ 7:50 pm
Voice to Jammu.
what is the take of Jammu’e people on the ongoing issue?
How long people are ready to continue the protest, are they ready to do it for more than 3/6 months ?
Comment by Vicky — August 14, 2008 @ 7:54 pm
JAI HIND …
GOD BLESS BALWANT RAI …. HE WILL BE REMEMBERED FOR A REVOLUTION I AM SURE ….
ITS TIME THIS PATHETIC GOVERNMENT WAKES UP ….
LIVE AND LET LIVE …..
Comment by chandra — August 14, 2008 @ 7:59 pm
Just returned from the Midnight salute to the tricolor on our area. We all had floral tributes to Field Marshall Manekshaw and had only two slogans “Vande Mataram” and “Bharat Mata Ki Jai ” But that was enough for us to get charged.
A Very Happy Independence Day to you ALL
Jai Bharat !!!
Comment by Chintamani — August 14, 2008 @ 8:01 pm
Someone said they put flags on Kashmir University …. and someone said it was muslim flag not pakistani…….. or was the Independence day of pakistan being celebrated…..
God bless muslims with courage to REMOVE ISLAM from Earth, so muslims can transform to humans…..
Vicky you have just touched the ice berg of muslim culture…….
I have seen execution videos of muslims cutting the throat of americans and could not sleep for 2 nights…….. and it was done by the people shouting GOD IS GREAT…. That is one eyed muhammad in their ISLAM. I didnot have courage to see other three…. that is the reason I wont give the website details….. but I am sure people who wanna see it they can google it easy…….. I dont want someone have night mares because of ISLAM and what it does……
Let us educate them and first we have to read more about the religion ISLAm and muhammad the mad cap.
Thanks for visiting and seeing for yourself…… What do u think of muslims
Can we be friends to them….. Holy crap No way……
Keep writing….. pen is mightier than sword…….
Kuldeep Trisal
Comment by Kuldeep Trisal — August 14, 2008 @ 8:07 pm
No it is not possible to be friends with them unless you suppress them completely and mince no words and actions in dealing with them …
LIVE AND LET LIVE ….
Comment by chandra — August 14, 2008 @ 8:12 pm
watch on bbc … crocodile tears kashmiri moslems are spreading for the killing of some sucker terrorist there ….
a day will come then THEY WILL SHED REAL TEARS FOR THERE STUPIDITY ….
ZEE news says that Gujarat police have caught some “SIMI Activists” for the Jaipur and Ahmedabad blasts …….
sucker moslems again plotting terror against there own country …. bring them to book and hang them till death ….
LIVE AND LET LIVE …
Comment by chandra — August 14, 2008 @ 8:17 pm
Vicky:
Jammu people are united and determined and they will not back off. They only need support of millions of Indians like you. The mood on the ground is what we used to hear in only stories when India was fighting it freedom struggle. With tricolor in their hand
* Rich helping the poor
* Strong helping the weak
* young helping the old
On and on they march together with one voice saying we want our Amarnath land back nothing less than this.
Comment by Voice Of Jammu — August 14, 2008 @ 8:18 pm
VOJ
ALL THE BEST WISH I WAS THERE NEXT TO YOU GUYS >>>>> KEEP IT UP>>>>>
ALL OUR BEST WISHES WITH YOU
Kuldeep
Comment by Kuldeep Trisal — August 14, 2008 @ 8:23 pm
>>Thanks for visiting and seeing for yourself…… What do u think of muslims
I need some time to read through the links and then make any conclusions , it is too early to say anything now.
I will speak to my muslim friend and know details from him too.
I don’t want to push my energies in this now, I am already getting devaited from work.
It is useless to educate them, they will not understand it .
kashur musarman taray na ye phikrey .
Comment by Vicky — August 14, 2008 @ 8:25 pm
see what the danish thought of islam and muhamed …..
LIVE AND LET LIVE …
Comment by chandra — August 14, 2008 @ 8:25 pm
VOJ
excellent and ALL the best .
Comment by Vicky — August 14, 2008 @ 8:32 pm
Vicky… I am not sure how a muslim can be your friend… but anyways….whenever you meet your muslim friend.. asking him following questions… one at a time.
1) What is meant by Kafir ?
2) What do muslims mean by Jihad ?
3) What does he mean by “Umma” ?
Take care… because a muslim is a muslim is a muslim, there is nothing called as a “good muslim” or a “moderate muslim”.
Comment by Chintamani — August 14, 2008 @ 8:35 pm
This may well be indicative of the government’s confusing approach toward resolving the latest turbulence in Jammu and Kashmir. In a rapid sequence on Thursday, CRPF’s Inspector General Sunil Kumar Jain was shifted out of violence-hit Srinagar by the Centre.
Jain, a 1984 batch IPS officer from Assam and Meghalaya cadre, was asked to “proceed on a tour to headquarters pending transfer”.
While there was no reason given out for this move, sources in the know claimed that his functioning was hampered by some state police officials resulting in heated exchanges at various meetings.
At the same time in New Delhi, an official communication was issued. It announced the names of the winners of the President’s Medal for distinguished service.
However, by evening, the Home Ministry had dropped Jain’s name from the list.
http://www.ndtv.com/convergence/ndtv/story.aspx?id=NEWEN20080061582&ch=8/15/2008%201:08:00%20AM
Comment by Voice Of Jammu — August 14, 2008 @ 8:36 pm
sorry i forgot to give the link for the danish cartoons …
these are both informative about the stupidity of islam as religion and muhammed as a stupid person but also HILARIOUS …..
http://www.faithfreedom.org/comics/01.htm
ENJOI….
let me know how was the read ….
LIVE AND LET LIVE …
Comment by chandra — August 14, 2008 @ 8:43 pm
CRPF’s Inspector General Sunil Kumar Jain was shifted out of violence-hit Srinagar by the Centre. He was in the President’s list earlier, but Shivraj Patil dropped him later from the list.
THIS IS A PLAIN APPEASEMENT POLICY BY THE GOVERNMENT OF BHARAT.
ARISE, AWAKE AND STOP NOT TILL THE GOAL IS REACHED.
—SWAMI VIVEKANAND
Comment by Chintamani — August 14, 2008 @ 8:44 pm
Chintamani
He does not give a shit to all these crap words
>>jihad….. blah blah
I will still not agree with you that all the muslims are same , yes 99% are same or more than that.
There are surely some good ones like the guys who exposed themselves at here
http://www.faithfreedom.org/index.htm
Comment by Vicky — August 14, 2008 @ 8:45 pm
Name? – Abu Dalah Sarafi. – Sex? – Four times a week. – No, no, no… male or female? – Male, female… sometimes camel…
Comment by PM — August 14, 2008 @ 8:46 pm
Hey Chintamani
Read what SWAMI VIVEKANANDA SAID long back about Muhammad…. See u can see he was also very nice and powerful leader in his own way:
http://www.hindubooks.org/david_frawley/arjuna/yogic_spirituality_and_islam/mohammed_according_to_vivekananda_pg1.htm
It is amazing read and read it all boils down to Muhammad or ISLAM.
Hindus dont bend backwards…… if u dont know ISLAM look around there are lots of people to guide u like myself…. know ISLAM not the way mullas teach and then….
End the terrorism by wiping ISLAM off the earth…… Some muslim here is saying amin
keep writing —- bring it on….
Kuldeep Trisal
Comment by Kuldeep Trisal — August 14, 2008 @ 8:52 pm
Vicky ::
You may not agree that all the muslims are same
Believe me….. Though they have muslim names, the ones you are referring to are not “practising islam”
Comment by Chintamani — August 14, 2008 @ 8:54 pm
Let me share a real time incidence with you. 7 years back i was travelling from Bangalore to Delhi. 5 of my other fellow passengers were Kashmiri Muslims who were students of a madrasa somewhere in Bangalore undergoing 5 years training. As i am from the state of J&K i could pick up bit of Kashmiri language which is otherwise very difficult to understand. They were openly taking of Jihad and converting india into Islamic India. When i confronted them, they started speaking for India. When i was back in bangalore i sounded alarm with my friends. No one took it seriously till there was a terror attack at one of the educational institute followed with other incidence. Folks why i am sharing this with you is its time we understand they are everywhere around us so just be prepared to handle this menace.
Comment by Voice Of Jammu — August 14, 2008 @ 9:01 pm
#kuldeep
Had you read what churchill said about Islam …. they hate it the most..
anyways it is your right to condemn any ideology, including islam…. never give up…
yet distinguish between “Muslim trapped in one side road of Islam” and Islamofacist Muslim… like Rama distinguish between Vibhisan and Rawana, though both were of same gene-pool
Comment by PM — August 14, 2008 @ 9:01 pm
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Let me share a real time incidence with you. 7 years back i was travelling from Bangalore to Delhi. 5 of my other fellow passengers were Kashmiri Muslims who were students of a madrasa somewhere in Bangalore undergoing 5 years training. As i am from the state of J&K i could pick up bit of Kashmiri language which is otherwise very difficult to understand. They were openly taking of Jihad and converting india into Islamic India. When i confronted them, they started speaking for India. When i was back in bangalore i sounded alarm with my friends. No one took it seriously till there was a terror attack at one of the educational institute followed with other incidence. Folks why i am sharing this with you is its time we understand they are everywhere around us so just be prepared to handle this menace.
Comment by Voice Of Jammu — August 14, 2008 @ 9:03 pm
PM
I am not talking about the gene pool as I said Muslim – ISLAM = human
It is hard to find a person like Vibeshan when he is following ISLAM — ISlam is the bad way of life that Muhammad lived and told his followers to follow his footstepts.
Nice story from Muhammads life (I have many more) may help you get better idea:
The more I read, the more I questioned Muhammad’s sense of justice. The following is very disturbing. I dare say any man who reads it and is not taken aback with disgust has a long way to go to become a human.
Sunan Abu-Dawud Book 38, Number 4348
Narrated Abdullah Ibn Abbas:
A blind man had a slave-mother who used to abuse the Prophet (pee_be_upon_him) and disparage him. He forbade her but she did not stop. He rebuked her but she did not give up her habit. One night she began to slander the Prophet (pee_be_upon_him) and abuse him. So he took a dagger, placed it on her belly, pressed it, and killed her. A child who came between her legs was smeared with the blood that was there. When the morning came, the Prophet (pee_be_upon_him) was informed about it.
He assembled the people and said: I adjure by Allah the man who has done this action and I adjure him by my right to him that he should stand up. Jumping over the necks of the people and trembling the man stood up.
He sat before the Prophet (pee_be_upon_him) and said: Apostle of Allah! I am her master; she used to abuse you and disparage you. I forbade her, but she did not stop, and I rebuked her, but she did not abandon her habit. I have two sons like pearls from her, and she was my companion. Last night she began to abuse and disparage you. So I took a dagger, put it on her belly and pressed it till I killed her.
Thereupon the Prophet (pee_be_upon_him) said: Oh be witness, no retaliation is payable for her blood.
I felt the above story was a manifest injustice. Muhammad condoned a man killing a pregnant mother and his own unborn child just because he said that she insulted the Prophet!
(Arabs used to sleep with their maid slaves. Qur’an perpetuates this tradition Q.33: 52. Muhammad himself slept with Mariyah, the maid slave of his wife Hafsa, without marrying her.)
Forgiving someone for killing another human being just because he said she insulted Muhammad is unacceptable. What if that man was lying to escape punishment? What does this story say about Muhammad’s sense of Justice? During the past 1400 years, how many husbands escaped punishment for killing their innocent wives by accusing them of blaspheming the prophet of God and this Hadith allowed them get away with it?
DID U LIKE ABOVE TRUE STORY FROM LIFE OF MUHAMMAD>>>>>
Kuldeep Trisal
Comment by Kuldeep Trisal — August 14, 2008 @ 9:14 pm
you think our Government will take it seriously ? if they can allow Islamic banking, which had funded indian partition last time… then they can do anything against india.
anyways in post-Mumbai blast india, many blogs were banned in india… all were anti-Jihad, except mughalistan-dot-com….
I was the one who requested US government to ban that jihadi website hosted in US, i was the one who got it banned, and i was the one who placed official complain against that website in CIA…. and the website was taken down by US department of defense.
and what indian government did ? banned a non-existing website in India …. what a drama!!!
Comment by PM — August 14, 2008 @ 9:18 pm
See how Muhammad dealt with unbelievers:
Sunan Abu-Dawud Book 38, Number 4359
Narrated Abdullah ibn Abbas:
The verse “The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Apostle, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite side or exile from the land…most merciful” was revealed about polytheists. If any of them repents before they are arrested, it does not prevent from inflicting on him the prescribed punishment, which he deserves.”
How could a messenger of God maim and crucify people because they resist accepting him? Could such a person really be a messenger of God? Wasn’t there a worthier man with moral and ethical fortitude to bear this mighty responsibility?
I could not accept the fact that Muhammad slaughtered 900 Jews in one day, after he captured them in a raid that he started. I read the following story and I shivered:
Comment by Kuldeep Trisal — August 14, 2008 @ 9:18 pm
Also, I found following story shocking:
Sunan Abu-Dawud Book 38, Number 4396
Narrated Jabir ibn Abdullah:
A thief was brought to the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him). He said: Kill him. The people said: He has committed theft, Apostle of Allah! Then he said: Cut off his hand. So his (right) hand was cut off. He was brought a second time and he said: Kill him. The people said: He has committed theft, Apostle of Allah! Then he said: Cut off his foot.
So his (left) foot was cut off.
He was brought a third time and he said: Kill him.
The people said: He has committed theft, Apostle of Allah!
So he said: Cut off his hand. (So his (left) hand was cut off.)
He was brought a fourth time and he said: Kill him.
The people said: He has committed theft, Apostle of Allah!
So he said: Cut off his foot. So his (right) foot was cut off.
He was brought a fifth time and he said: Kill him.
So we took him away and killed him. We then dragged him and cast him into a well and threw stones over him.
It seems that Muhammad passed judgment before hearing the case. Also by cutting a thief’s hand he is left with no other means to earn his bread except begging, which would be difficult since he is defamed as a thief and so hated by people. Therefore re-offending becomes his only means of livelihood.
After living many years in the West and being received kindly by people of other religions or of no religion, who loved me and accepted me as their friend, who let me into their lives and hearts, I could no longer accept the following mandates of the Qur’an as the words of God:
Comment by Kuldeep Trisal — August 14, 2008 @ 9:20 pm
#kuldeep
i m not against you, its only that the stand you are using might not be well accepted. faithfreedom is a good resource, as well as a great website…. but it does not goes down the neck of many Dhimis….. what you need is to understand the language Dhimi understand; for which you need to counter it in different way….
if you really want to read about something.. then start with Amin-al-husseini….. and how he was linked with india… the day you will start understanding this, the day you will get key to fight jihad.
try tellthechildrenthetruth-dot-com … and then extend it further…
BTW that devil amin al husseini was also india before indepandance, and during one of Non-allignment submit Nehru with husseini declared India as Islamic country… remember this was the same nehru, and same Gandhians which cry for secularism…
but then also remember, that we need to be globally connected… as nationalism is not the key to fight it…. had you seen what they had done with serbs ? jihadwatch has a good `article about it..
Comment by PM — August 14, 2008 @ 9:24 pm
MORE EDUCATION FOR MUSLIMS WHO WILL READ THIS OR CHECK IT OUR…. ALL RATIONAL FROM QURAN….. THANKS TO EX-MUSLIMS WHO HAVE MADE THIS KNOWLEDGE AVAILABLE EVERY WHERE …..
HAPPY READING
KULDEEP TRISAL
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More on Islamic tolerance: as told by a muslim
(re: From the pages of the book: Leaving Islam-Apostates speak out (by Ibn Warraq)
( Why I Left Islaml
Qur’an and hadith are full of outrageous verses like these that, to me, are clear proof that Muhammad was not a prophet, but a cult leader. To force people to denounce their own family is what cults do. He was an impostor who lied so loudly and so forcefully that the ignorant people of his time believed in him. Then the following generations echoed these lies passing them to the next. Philosophers and writers were born in this atmosphere of lies and elaborated on them, embellished them, and made them credible. But when you go to the core of the religion, when you read the Qur’an and study the hadith you see they are nothing but pure nonsense. Rumi was a great poet and a mystic, he tried to give Islam mystical significance that it lacked. But what Rumi said is Rumi’s thinking. The Qur’an is bereft of mystical meanings. Muhammad’s concept of religion and god was extremely primitive. Why Rumi, Attar, Sohravardi or other mystics strive to attribute meanings to senseless verses of the Qur’an has to do with their upbringing as Muslim kids. On one hand, unlike the more rationalist thinkers such as Ar Razi, they could not denounce Islam altogether for it was ingrained in their subconscious mind. Nothing is more difficult to get rid of than religion. This is truly the most potent narcotic if it is administered to a person from childhood. Yet as intelligent people, it was not possible for these great minds to accept the Qur’an at face value. Therefore they tried to find esoteric meanings in meaningless verses of the Qur’an and it was they who gave birth to a new religion that had nothing to do with what was taught by Muhammad. Yet this religion was palatable to those with brains.
Thus we have two Islams. One that strives to attribute mystical significance and otherworldly meanings to the inane teachings of the Qur’an, as is professed by Sufis, and the other that rejects any interpretation of these verses beyond their literal meanings, as is practiced by the majority of Muslims with their hub in Saudi Arabia among the Wahhabis. And, of course, there are a myriad of sects between these two extremes, each interpreting the Qur’an according to their own whims and caprices, each calling others mortad or heretics and constantly making war among themselves to impose their own “pure” version of Islam on others.
However, the real Islam is not what its philosophers and mystics have inferred but what is in the Qur’an and that is the Islam of the fundamentalist and the terrorist. The real Islam is the Islam that abuses women, allows men to beat their wives, imposes penalty tax on religious minorities, wants to dominate the world by subduing all non-Muslims, calls for Jihad, and killing of non-believers until Islam becomes the only dominant religion of the World.
My rejection of Islam is not based on the bad deeds of the Muslims but on the bad teachings of its holy book and on the bad deeds of its founder. Many cruelties and heinous acts of violence, perpetrated by Muslims throughout the centuries were inspired by the Qur’an and the Sunnah (the examples of the prophet). That is why I condemn ISLAM for the bad things that Muslims do. Any effort to humanize Islam is a waste of time. The obstacle to any reform is Qur’an. The enemy is Islam and that is the target of my attacks. I do that, despite knowing that I have become the magnet of the hatred of fanatical Muslims and my own life could be in danger. Yet I know that by eradicating Islam we can save the world from the dangers of a catastrophe that otherwise is looming over our heads and could cause more disaster than the first and second world wars combined. Eradication of Islam means restoring peace among humanity and civility, democracy and prosperity in the Muslim world.
Comment by Kuldeep Trisal — August 14, 2008 @ 9:28 pm
mr chintamani.. i stand on what i said.. i m not against islam… and it is not islam thats against me it is the people who profess it… because i feel that the way the molvies or muullas have interpreted various texts of islam .. the people think that it is writeen there. so in my view it is the interpretation that matters.. … i know many people will comment on what i have written …. but i feel it is not the religion that teaches us to do wrong but it is we guys that take it wrongly…
and i totally agree with wht u said about pests and pesticides.. obviously those pests should be killed …
Comment by Neha bhat — August 15, 2008 @ 4:09 am
According to the instruments of partition of India, the rulers of princely states were given the choice to freely accede to either India or Pakistan, or to remain independent. They were, however, advised to accede to the contiguous dominion, taking into consideration the geographical and ethnic issues.
In Kashmir, however, the Maharaja hesitated. The Maharaja, fearing tribal warfare, eventually gave way to the Indian pressure and agreed to join India by signing the Instrument of Accession on 26 October 1947. Kashmir was provisionally accepted into the Indian Union pending a free and impartial plebiscite. This was spelled out in a letter from the Governor General of India, Lord Mountbatten, to the Maharaja on 27 October 1947. In the letter, accepting the accession, Mountbatten made it clear that the State would only be incorporated into the Indian Union after a reference had been made to the people of Kashmir.
In the last days of 1948, a ceasefire was agreed under UN auspices; however, since the plebiscite demanded by the UN was never conducted, relations between India and Pakistan soured,[11] and eventually led to two more wars over Kashmir in 1965 and 1999. India has control of about half the area of the former princely state of Jammu and Kashmir; Pakistan controls a third of the region, the Northern Areas, or historically known as regions of Gilgit and Baltistan; and Pakistan Occupied Kashmir. According to Encyclopaedia Britannica, “Although there was a clear Muslim majority in Kashmir before the 1947 partition and its economic, cultural, and geographic contiguity with the Muslim-majority area of the Punjab (in Pakistan) could be convincingly demonstrated, the political developments during and after the partition resulted in a division of the region. Pakistan was left with territory that, although basically Muslim in character, was thinly populated, relatively inaccessible, and economically underdeveloped. The largest Muslim group, situated in the Vale of Kashmir and estimated to number more than half the population of the entire region, lay in Indian-administered territory, with its former outlets via the Jhelum valley route blocked.”
The UN Security Council on 20 January 1948 passed Resolution 39, establishing a special commission to investigate the conflict. Subsequent to the commission’s recommendation, the Security Council ordered in its Resolution 47, passed on 21 April 1948, that the invading Pakistani army retreat from Jammu & Kashmir and that the accession of Kashmir to either India or Pakistan be determined in accordance with a plebiscite to be supervised by the UN. In a string of subsequent resolutions, the Security Council took notice of the continuing failure by India to hold the plebiscite.
The Government of India holds that the Maharaja signed a document of accession to India October 26, 1947. Pakistan has disputed whether the Maharaja actually signed the accession treaty before Indian troops entered Kashmir. Furthermore, Pakistan claims the Indian government has never produced an original copy of this accession treaty and thus its validity and legality is disputed. However, India has produced the instrument of accession with an original copy image on its website. Alan Campbell-Johnson, the press attache to the Viceroy of India states that “The legality of the accession is beyond doubt
Links for further information:
http://www.kashmiri-cc.ca/misc/UNRESOLV.htm
Visit me at: http://david4ever.wordpress.com
Comment by David — August 15, 2008 @ 4:21 am
Todays islamic Lesson for all Brothers
Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) in Hindu Scriptures
by Dr. Zakir Naik
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Muhammad (pbuh) prophesised in Bhavishya Purana
According to Bhavishya Purana in the Prati Sarag Parv III Khand 3 Adhay 3 Shloka 5 to 8.
“A malecha (belonging to a foreign country and speaking a foreign language) spiritual teacher will appear with his companions. His name will be Mohammad. Raja (Bhoj) after giving this Maha Dev Arab (of angelic disposition) a bath in the Panchgavya and the Ganga water (i.e. purifying him of all sins) offered him the present of his sincere devotion and showing him all reverence said, “I make obeisance to thee. O ye! The pride of mankind, the dweller in Arabia, Ye have collected a great force to kill the Devil and you yourself have been protected from the malecha opponents.”
The Prophecy clearly states:
The name of the Prophet as Mohammad.
He will belong to Arabia. The Sanskrit word Marusthal means a sandy track of land or a desert.
Special mention is made of the companions of the Prophet, i.e. the Sahabas. No other Prophet had as many companions as Prophet Muhammad (pbuh).
He is referred as the pride of mankind (Parbatis nath). The Glorious Qur’an reconfirms this
“And thou (standest) on an exalted standard of character”
[Al-Qur'an 68:4]|
“Ye have indeed in the Messenger of Allah, a beautiful pattern (of conduct)”.
[Al-Qur'an 33:21]
He will kill the devil, i.e. abolish idol worship and all sorts of vices.
The Prophet will be given protection against his enemy.
Some people may argue that ‘Raja’ Bhoj mentioned in the prophecy lived in the 11th century C.E. 500 years after the advent of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) and was the descendant in the 10th generation of Raja Shalivahan. These people fail to realise that there was not only one Raja of the name Bhoj. The Egyptian Monarchs were called as Pharaoh and the Roman Kings were known as Caesar, similarly the Indian Rajas were given the title of Bhoj. There were several Raja Bhoj who came before the one in 11th Century C.E.
The Prophet did not physically take a bath in the Panchgavya and the water of Ganges. Since the water of Ganges is considered holy, taking bath in the Ganges is an idiom, which means washing away sins or immunity from all sorts of sins. Here the prophecy implies that Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was sinless, i.e. Maasoom.
According to Bhavishya Purana in the Pratisarag Parv III Khand 3 Adhay 3 Shloka 10 to 27 Maharishi Vyas has prophesised:
“The Malecha have spoiled the well-known land of the Arabs. Arya Dharma is not to be found in the country. Before also there appeared a misguided fiend whom I had killed; he has now again appeared being sent by a powerful enemy. To show these enemies the right path and to give them guidance, the well-known Muhammad (pbuh), is busy in bringing the Pishachas to the right path. O Raja, You need not go to the land of the foolish Pishachas, you will be purified through my kindness even where you are. At night, he of the angelic disposition, the shrewd man, in the guise of Pishacha said to Raja Bhoj, “O Raja! Your Arya Dharma has been made to prevail over all religions, but according to the commandments of Ishwar Parmatma, I shall enforce the strong creed of the meat eaters. My followers will be men circumcised, without a tail (on his head), keeping beard, creating a revolution announcing the Aadhaan (the Muslim call for prayer) and will be eating all lawful things. He will eat all sorts of animals except swine. They will not seek purification from the holy shrubs, but will be purified through warfare. On account of their fighting the irreligious nations, they will be known as Musalmaans. I shall be the originator of this religion of the meat-eating nations.”
The Prophecy states that:
The evil doers have corrupted the Arab land.
Arya Dharma is not found in that land.
The Indian Raja need not go the Arab land since his purification will take place in India after the musalmaan will arrive in India.
The coming Prophet will attest the truth of the Aryan faith, i.e. Monotheism and will reform the misguided people.
The Prophet’s followers will be circumcised. They will be without a tail on the head and bear a beard and will create a great revolution.
They will announce the Aadhaan, i.e. ‘the Muslim call for prayer’.
He will only eat lawful things and animals but will not eat pork. The Qur’an confirms this in no less than 4 different places:
In Surah Al-Baqarah chapter 2 verse 173
In Surah Al-Maidah chapter 5 verse 3
In Surah Al-Anam chapter 6 verse 145
In Surah Al-Nahl chapter 16 verse 115
“Forbidden to you for food are dead meat, blood, flesh of swine, and that on which hath been invoked the name of other than Allah”.
They will not purify with grass like the Hindus but by means of sword they will fight their irreligious people.
They will be called musalmaan.
They will be a meat-eating nation.
The eating of herbivorous animals is confirmed by the Qur’an in Surah Maidah, chapter 5 verse 1 and in Surah Muminun chapter 23 verse 21
According to Bhavishya Purana, Parv – III Khand 1 Adhay 3 Shloka 21-23:
“Corruption and persecution are found in seven sacred cities of Kashi, etc. India is inhabited by Rakshas, Shabor, Bhil and other foolish people. In the land of Malechhas, the followers of the Malechha dharma (Islam) are wise and brave people. All good qualities are found in Musalmaans and all sorts of vices have accumulated in the land of the Aryas. Islam will rule in India and its islands. Having known these facts, O Muni, glorify the name of thy lord”.
The Qur’an confirms this in Surah Taubah chapter 9 verse 33 and in Surah Al Saff chapter 61 verse 9:
“It is He who hath sent His Messenger with Guidance and the Religion of Truth, to proclaim it over all religion, even though the Pagans may detest (it)”.
A similar message is given in Surah Fatah chapter 48 verses 28 ending with, “and enough is Allah as a witness”.
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Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) Prophesised in Atharvaveda
In the 20th book of Atharvaveda Hymn 127 Some Suktas (chapters) are known as Kuntap Sukta. Kuntap means the consumer of misery and troubles. Thus meaning the message of peace and safety and if translated in Arabic means Islam.
Kuntap also means hidden glands in the abdomen. These mantras are called so probably because their true meaning was hidden and was to be revealed in future. Its hidden meaning is also connected with the navel or the middle point of this earth. Makkah is called the Ummul Qur’a the mother of the towns or the naval of the earth. In many revealed books it was the first house of Divine worship where God Almighty gave spiritual nourishment to the world. The Qur’an says in Surah Ali-Imran chapter 3, verse 96:
“The first house (of worship) appointed for men was that at Bakkah (Makkah) full of blessings and of guidance and for all kinds of beings”. Thus Kuntap stands for Makkah or Bakkah.
Several people have translated these Kuntap Suktas like M. Bloomfield, Prof. Ralph Griffith, Pandit Rajaram, Pandit Khem Karan, etc.
The main points mentioned in the Kuntap Suktas i.e. in Atharvaveda book 20 Hymn 127 verses 1-13 are:
Mantra 1
He is Narashansah or the praised one (Muhammad). He is Kaurama: the prince of peace or the emigrant, who is safe, even amongst a host of 60,090 enemies.
Mantra 2
He is a camel-riding Rishi, whose chariot touches the heaven.
Mantra 3
He is Mamah Rishi who is given a hundred gold coins, ten chaplets (necklaces), three hundred good steeds and ten thousand cows.
Mantra 4
Vachyesv rebh. ‘Oh! ye who glorifies’.
The Sanskrit word Narashansah means ‘the praised one’, which is the literal translation of the Arabic word Muhammad (pbuh).
The Sanskrit word Kaurama means ‘one who spreads and promotes peace’. The holy Prophet was the ‘Prince of Peace’ and he preached equality of human kind and universal brotherhood. Kaurama also means an emigrant. The Prophet migrated from Makkah to Madinah and was thus also an Emigrant.
He will be protected from 60,090 enemies, which was the population of Makkah. The Prophet would ride a camel. This clearly indicates that it cannot be an Indian Rishi, since it is forbidden for a Brahman to ride a camel according to the Sacred Books of the East, volume 25, Laws of Manu pg. 472. According to Manu Smirti chapter 11 verse 202, “A Brahman is prohibited from riding a camel or an ass and to bathe naked. He should purify himself by suppressing his breath”.
This mantra gave the Rishi’s name as Mamah. No rishi in India or another Prophet had this name Mamah which is derived from Mah which means to esteem highly, or to revere, to exalt, etc. Some Sanskrit books give the Prophet’s name as ‘Mohammad’, but this word according to Sanskrit grammar can also be used in the bad sense. It is incorrect to apply grammar to an Arabic word. Actually shas the same meaning and somewhat similar pronunciation as the word Muhammad (pbuh).
He is given 100 gold coins, which refers to the believers and the earlier companions of the Prophet during his turbulent Makkan life. Later on due to persecution they migrated from Makkah to Abysinia. Later when Prophet migrated to Madinah all of them joined him in Madinah.
The 10 chaplets or necklaces were the 10 best companions of the Holy Prophet (pbuh) known as Ashra-Mubbashshira (10 bestowed with good news). These were foretold in this world of their salvation in the hereafter i.e. they were given the good news of entering paradise by the Prophet’s own lips and after naming each one he said “in Paradise”. They were Abu Bakr, Umar, Uthman, Ali, Talha, Zubair, Abdur Rahman Ibn Auf, Saad bin Abi Waqqas, Saad bin Zaid and Abu Ubaidah (May Allah be well-pleased with all of them).
The Sanskrit word Go is derived from Gaw which means ‘to go to war’. A cow is also called Go and is a symbol of war as well as peace. The 10,000 cows refer to the 10,000 companions who accompanied the Prophet (pbuh) when he entered Makkah during Fateh Makkah which was a unique victory in the history of mankind in which there was no blood shed. The 10,000 companions were pious and compassionate like cows and were at the same time strong and fierce and are described in the Holy
Quran in Surah Fatah:
“Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah; and those who are with him are strong against unbelievers, (but) compassionate amongst each other.”
[Al-Qur'an 48:29]
This mantra calls the Prophet as Rebh which means one who praises, which when translated into Arabic is Ahmed, which is another name for the Holy Prophet (pbuh).
Battle of the Allies described in the Vedas.
It is mentioned in Atharvaveda Book XX Hymn 21 verse 6, “Lord of the truthful! These liberators drink these feats of bravery and the inspiring songs gladdened thee in the field of battle. When thou renders vanquished without fight the ten thousand opponents of the praying one, the adoring one.”
This Prophecy of the Veda describes the well-known battle of Ahzab or the battle of the Allies during the time of Prophet Muhammed. The Prophet was victorious without an actual conflict which is mentioned in the Qur’an in Surah Ahzab:
“When the believers saw the confederate forces they said, “This is what Allah and His Messenger had promised us and Allah and His Messenger told us what was true.” And it only added to their faith and their zeal in obedience.”
[Al-Qur'an 33:22]
The Sanskrit word karo in the Mantra means the ‘praying one’ which when translated into Arabic means ‘Ahmed’, the second name of Prophet Muhammed (pbuh).
The 10,000 opponents mentioned in the Mantra were the enemies of the Prophet and the Muslims were only 3000 in number.
The last words of the Mantra aprati ni bashayah means the defeat was given to the enemies without an actual fight.
The enemies’ defeat in the conquest of Makkah is mentioned in Atharvaveda book 20 Hymn 21 verse no 9:
“You have O Indra, overthrown 20 kings and 60,099 men with an outstripping Chariot wheel who came to fight the praised one or far famed (Muhammad) orphan.”
The population of Makkah at the time of Prophet’s advent was nearly 60,000
There were several clans in Makkah each having its own chief. Totally there were about 20 chiefs to rule the population of Makkah.
An Abandhu meaning a helpless man who was far-famed and ‘praised one’. Muhammad (pbuh) overcame his enemies with the help of God.
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Muhammad (pbuh) prophesised in the Rigveda
A similar prophecy is also found in Rigveda Book I, Hymn 53 verse 9:
The Sanskrit word used is Sushrama, which means praiseworthy or well praised which in Arabic means Muhammad (pbuh).
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Muhummad (pbuh) is also prophesised in the Samveda
Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is also prophesised in the Samveda Book II Hymn 6 verse 8:
“Ahmed acquired from his Lord the knowledge of eternal law. I received light from him just as from the sun.” The Prophecy confirms:
The name of the Prophet as Ahmed since Ahmed is an Arabic name. Many translators misunderstood it to be Ahm at hi and translated the mantra as “I alone have acquired the real wisdom of my father”.
Prophet was given eternal law, i.e. the Shariah.
The Rishi was enlightened by the Shariah of Prophet Muhammad. The Qur’an says in Surah Saba chapter 34 verse 28
“We have not sent thee but as a universal (Messenger) to men, giving them glad tidings and warning them (against sin), but most men understand not.”
[Al-Qur'an 34:28]
Regards
David
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Comment by David — August 15, 2008 @ 4:27 am
Mr david,
why dont we talk abt quaran….. MY question still holds.: it is below
Will u marry ur 6 year old daughter or sister with a 53 year old . No muslim has answered me yet. Come on is the ans yes or no???
come on dawood urf david
Do u have any question for me in one line like above feel free to ask after you answer.
Muslim-ISLAM = HUMAN
Let me see ur guts…. or become human
Kuldeep trisal
Comment by islamjehad — August 15, 2008 @ 4:41 am
Mr david,
why dont we talk abt quaran….. MY question still holds.: it is below
Will u marry ur 6 year old daughter or sister with a 53 year old mulla like muhammad. No muslim has answered me yet. Come on is the ans yes or no???
come on dawood urf david
Do u have any question for me in one line like above feel free to ask after you answer.
Muslim-ISLAM = HUMAN
Let me see ur guts…. or become human
Kuldeep trisal
visit here:
http://islamjehad.wordpress.com/
Comment by islamjehad — August 15, 2008 @ 4:43 am
i agree with you I lost so let us change my formula to since you love peace and I agree world needs peace too. THA U HAVE SHOWN ON UR BLOG
ISLAM-MUSLIM=PEACEFUL HUMAN
IS THIS BETTER.
kULDEEP TRISAL
SOME SERIOUS JEHADIS HERE TOO SAY HELLO TO THEM
http://islamjehad.wordpress.com/
Comment by kULDEEP Trisal — August 15, 2008 @ 4:56 am
Neha,
Honestly speaking no religion had done good to mankind, imagine if we all were from same religious then there would not have many differences.
I also am not agaist ISLAM, but the links/facts what Kuldeep and other brought are prompting me to investigate more.
Anyway I don’t want to waste time on these worthless issues, let KM spend there life on it .
We(KP’s) need to progress in life , life in wonderful and we have whole India to venture.
As kuldeep said earlier , the KM invited the trouble(aanum soa wayum soa lagum soa panus) and now let them bear the consequences.
Let us not have any symphathy for KM, simply BOYCOTT them.
It is fact that these guys are suffering from last 20 years , they are incapable to doing any good in life. They just know how to crib ….
Cheers,
Vicky
Comment by Vicky — August 15, 2008 @ 4:59 am
Kuldeep ji,
>>Will u marry ur 6 year old daughter or sister with a 53 year old mulla like muhammad
“kraul ma sa tul yeman”
I will be shocked to know if this is a fact , it is beyond my comprehension to understand the ration behind it.
Comment by Vicky — August 15, 2008 @ 5:06 am
#david
thanks for letting us know, that you propagate zakir naik……. a supporter of beheading, islamofacism, sharia, stoning, amputation, polygamy, pedophiles, slavery, terrorism and all other evils…
Comment by PM — August 15, 2008 @ 5:32 am
#david
Hinduism mentioned a lot; but as said that Mohammed was rejected by Jews, Christians as well as from Hindus ….moght be u should read what swami vevanand said.. Kuldeep linked it here…
Beside zakir naik once said Ibhrahim is Brahma, and differences came is as phonetically Arabic is readed right to left, and sanskrit from left to right… what he forgot to mention is that phonetically koran matches well with narok ( Hell )…..
so i will say, koran is gateway to hell…. it convert heven into hell…. love that ?
Comment by PM — August 15, 2008 @ 5:38 am
Kuldeep
Also my question about the india and Himalayas are also pending. I also wants answer of that question.
Regarding the question that Prophets Marriage.
U knowledge is as resticted as that is Ali sena. But any ways.
At that time the age of the prophets belowed was 6 years there is no doubt. But prophet Mohammad (PBUH) looked after his wife till the age of 9 and then the merriage was complete.
As per the Islamic Shariah it is permissble to marry nine year girl. And over all it was the order of the almighty.
let me pose you a question now:
What was Seeta doing during that long period with Rawan, and y she cried when Raam took her back from that place and she again and again looked towards that place.
and
how it sounds that god’s wife is being kidnaped and during that time she was not unhappy. how can u count the strength of that kind of God?
and also show me ur guts by answering the Comment related to plebicite. scroll above to see that post.
Regards
David
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Comment by David — August 15, 2008 @ 6:08 am
Dear Indians on Blog,
Wish you a Happy Independence Day.
What are your resolutions for the day…..write more aggressivelly against Islam and abuse the Muslims, more vociforoussly.
Lets resolve to be Friends and write only blogs related to fraternity and Harmony, on this Day.
I hope everone agrees to me!
Wish you again a Happy Independence Day.
Comment by HAKIM PARVEZ — August 15, 2008 @ 6:20 am
#david
your answer is good for discussion with your Islamofacism companions… but as said, you are proving that Islam regards women nothing more then a sex object….. so you only reflect your filthy ideology; what else can one expect from follower of a pedophile…..
anyways here is answer. Sita regarded the peoples around during her time in lanka as friends; the caretaker (female) demon was even referred as mother many times by sita; sita looked back at time in lanka not as prison, or with hate….. in fact she looked it as home of mother, and in fact when she returned, the demon caretaker fulfilled all duties of mother, including the ceremony of vidai given to her daughter (sita)….
then came illitratte dhobi, which raised question about sita’s relation with rawana. not to mention the “agni pariksha” was given by sita to prove herself; but i have no problem on expecting such question from you, as islam promote illitracy…. and certainly refer women always like evil….
http://islam-watch.org/SujitDas/Holy-Islam-Illiteracy-Poverty-Backwardness.htm
Comment by PM — August 15, 2008 @ 6:47 am
David,
>>how can u count the strength of that kind of God?
I don’t .
>>And over all it was the order of the almighty.
So that means if Almight orders you to marry a 6 year kid when you are 50 you will ?
lol
it will be interesting to see how Kuldeep and others react to your thoughts
Comment by Vicky — August 15, 2008 @ 6:54 am
#david
checked Aisha’s Memoirs ……. ??
http://islam-watch.org/Amarkhan/Aisha-Prophet-Muhammad-wife-Memoirs.htm
Comment by PM — August 15, 2008 @ 6:55 am
PM:
Do you really think you need to justify the strengths of our GOD’s ?
Happy Independence Day
Comment by Vicky — August 15, 2008 @ 6:56 am
mr david i feel sorry… for all of u………. acc to ur islamic sharia it is permissible to marry at 9… quite surprising… thaks for letting all of us to know the reality about islam….
anyways i won’t comment any more on that but ya would like to say what u said about mata sita… it is well said that little knowledge is very dangerous. ..she was kidnaaped because it was with the will of the god.. as her kidnapping was imp for sanghar of ravana… and she was not living in mehal but she was in ashok vatika.. crying whole time …. u must read whole before commenting on religious texts..
and what u said about plebicite…
i ll answer that.. indian govt has said that plebisite will be conducted in kashmir … but only when ur mujhadin’s from pok will be out of india.. so first throw each 1 of them out then ask for plebisite
Comment by Neha .. — August 15, 2008 @ 7:14 am
Neha,
>>thaks for letting all of us to know the reality about islam….
That is why I wrote this initially and I am sure that majority of KP’s are unware of all this .
I am sure our parents all don’t know about it else they would have passed this info to us, thanks to internet .
I wrote this initially
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I also am not agaist ISLAM, but the links/facts what Kuldeep and other brought are prompting me to investigate more.
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You know next time I meet kashmiri muslim I will try to get his views on this … i am imagining how he will face this fact
Comment by Vicky — August 15, 2008 @ 7:34 am
david johnson ….
there will be o plebiscite in kashmir or anywhere in India ….
India now has the say in this world that no one can object to what it wants …. It is a nuclear power now and the world has been brought to accept that …. the nuclear deal is the acceptance of this fact …
so now once this deal is over and we have a nationalist government we will pluck out those people from kashmir who are traitors and ARTICLE 370 WILL BE ABOLISHED AND OUR BIHARI BROTHERS AND OTHERS FROM INDIA WILL SETTLE THERE …
then off course we will have the plebiscite or anything that you want …..
… :d ….
LIVE AND LET LIVE …
Comment by chandra — August 15, 2008 @ 8:21 am
Y it has shocked you, that islam permits a girl of 9 to marry.
Have you ever read about:
The anatomy of a girl or women
Genetic configuration.
Psychological and hormonal constituents of a girl.
Ok dears tell me why Indian girl looses its virginity at the age of 12.
Why the polls show that at the 2020, almost all the girls of India at the age of 12 have loosed it virginity.
What is the actual and scientifically proved age of a girl when she actually starts menstrual cycle?
Even you don’t know to whome you are getting marry. You have to take litmus test.
Scientifically is has been proved that girl is able to get marry when she is at the age of nine or crossed this age. to stop all such kind of illegality and cruelness towards the girl and society. and to stop the dirty intentions in the society islam had permissed it.
Regards
David
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Comment by Davidn — August 15, 2008 @ 8:47 am
Mr Vicky,
when u next time meet with any Kashmiri Muslim, also tell him entire episode of Banwas.
Regards
David
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Comment by David — August 15, 2008 @ 8:53 am
#david ….
scientifically proven where ??
AFGHANISTAN??
and scientifically proven by whom??
TALIBAN ??
LIVE AND LET LIVE …
Comment by chandra — August 15, 2008 @ 8:59 am
chandra
Do you think it makes sense to discuss this when people argue with such statements?
I don’t see any senses so I am simply not replying them.
The more they are educated they become more dangerous, let them be uneducated and rely on US forever.
What can Afganistan do without the technology to US or India , they can do anything….
Let us be practical.
Just keep throwing some money and and make them HAPPY , I see that is what GOI us doing for last 20 years.
Comment by Vicky — August 15, 2008 @ 9:17 am
U SURPRISE ME MR DAVID…..hw can a human being write such rubbish things.. …
rightly said by mr chandra proven in afgan and by taliban….
stop writing such stupid things on the name of scientific research… and please don’t refer the facts of afgani and pakistani books…and hw far is it right to marry with a person who is of her grandfathers age….
and please invite me when u see such kind of marriges happening
u wrote this is to stop crulty tell me how is not cruel when a 6 year old child will marry 50 yr old man…. secondly is it not cruel to have 7 wives by 1 man(now legally 4 wives).
answer me mr dawood or osama
Comment by Neha .. — August 15, 2008 @ 9:20 am
chandra,
>>and scientifically proven by whom??
You talking science to them, what is there contribution to science.
ZERO
A pity on them .
Comment by Vicky — August 15, 2008 @ 9:21 am
DAVID YOU HAD ASKED THE QUESTION ::
how it sounds that god’s wife ~(SEETA) is being kidnaped.
YES ITS A FACT THAT SEETA WAS KIDNAPPED, AND THAT IS WHY RAMAYAN TOOK PLACE, ENDING WITH THE TOTAL DESTRUCTION OF EVILS AND DEVILS RESIDING IN LANKA.
THE DEVIL IN CURRENT CONTEXT IS “EACH AND EVERY MUSLIM.”
THE EVIL IN CURRENT CONTEXT IS “ISLAM”
Comment by Chintamani — August 15, 2008 @ 9:22 am
Neha ,
>>answer me mr dawood or osama
Kashir koor firing now
Hey common , I think we need to change our stance on Islam now .
believe me till yesterday I had high regards for it but I am not sure now after knowing the facts .
>>and hw far is it right to marry with a person who is of her grandfathers age
You don’t need to explain this , MORONS will not understand it .
It had worked for them so let them do , why should it bother us ?
It should bother us when they mess with us which they did in 1990’s and we should not forget that in our LIVES, just keep the fire going in you.
We will get a chance to take REVENGE in our life in any form .
Cheers,
Vicky
Comment by Vicky — August 15, 2008 @ 9:25 am
vicky,
exactly…. kashir koor firing now… i think u r right its as impossible as ” kutte ke dhum seedi karna” so i don’t think that they will ever understand the difference between right and wrong..
def we will get a chance to take revenge… very soon …..
Comment by Neha .. — August 15, 2008 @ 9:40 am
Neha,
Bingo …. Just keep that fire inside .
If 10% KP can do that I am sure we will take a REVENGE in some form.
Cheers,
Vicky
Comment by Vicky — August 15, 2008 @ 9:45 am
You Indians,
You would prefer to want your panditani’s to run away with the Jammu Dogra’s and Gupta’s/ Sharma’s at the age of 12 but would not like to get them marry at 12.
This is your irony as a society that you are Hypocrates by your Genes.
Comment by HAKIM PARVEZ — August 15, 2008 @ 9:55 am
Neha and all KP’s ,
Just see the level of cheapness that gets reflected in public forums.
How can one come to this level and start talking such non sense just because they are shown truth with evidences ?
Don’t let the fire go off because they are not trustworthy.
Cheers,
Vicky
Comment by Vicky — August 15, 2008 @ 10:06 am
these kashmiri moslems have lost all reasons now ….
neither have they any freedom struggle now ….
the whole world knows that it is of no use to support their so called “freedom struggle” and help in supporting another tali- ban …..
their brothers are living like slaves in the Pok …. which everyone knows is no “azaad kashmir”…. if that resembles what you are fighting for … then GOD HELP YOU …..
ITS TIME YOU REALIZE YOUR STUPIDITY …
WE HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO FEED YOU FOR GENERATIONS TO FOLLOW …. SO WE WONT MIND TO CONTINUE DOING THAT ….
IF YOU REALLY WANT TO MAKE DIFFERENCE … BRING THE TERRORISTS TO BOOK … AND START EDUCATING THE VALLEY MOSLEMS …. AND NOT THROUGH YOUR
” MAD – RASSAS” ….
GIVE THEM PROPER EDUCATION …. SO THAT THEY WILL KNOW WHO A TERRORIST IS ….
THEN THEY WILL BE ABLE TO UNDERSTAND THE DIFF BETWEEN INDIA AND paki-shaitan …..
GOD HELP YOU STUPID PEOPLE ….
LIVE AND LET LIVE ….
Comment by chandra — August 15, 2008 @ 10:06 am
>>WE HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO FEED YOU FOR GENERATIONS TO FOLLOW …. SO >>WE WONT MIND TO CONTINUE DOING THAT ….
yes , just throw money to them for years to come.
The money comes back to Indian only.
I think they should be allowed to trade with pakistan , india will become richer .
Comment by Vicky — August 15, 2008 @ 10:10 am
#Vicky
I believe in Vedas and Bhagwat geeta ………… not in strength of God stuff; its typical Muslim . the way they live in dilemma of many gods, and then say their is no god except all-blah, usually sounds to me like “Shudh desi ghee” at shop of halwai…… please don’t ignore that desi ghee do not need reference of Shudh; and so did the god is not someone that need proclamation (sahada) and dawa! ..
anyways the concept of Vedic universe is too different from Islamic concept of ‘end of days’; where ISlamic allah left behind its followers bodies to get spoil inside graves…Vedic Hindu lifecycle is continues…
Mahavakiya says
Prajnanam Brahma, Ayam Atma Brahma; Tat Tvam Asi, Aham Brahmasmi …
so to understand God, you need to understand yourself, your origin, as well as your Human side… because when you understand your human part; then any only that you can understand the Humanity that prevails inside everyone, and understand the basic needs of every Human.. sharing their fear’s and pain; and giving them love and hopes..
Beside this I follow Bhagwat geeta …. a great work infact…
it says that God is indescribable, boundless yet Human tries to describe it to understand the self and universe, but Human has its own boundation… in fact God is this vast universe, which take sacrifice(ahuti) of its own to reincarnate itself in different forms…..this is how the cycle of life goes…
but what is then a avtar, if everyone has a part of god in him… and what is then the concept of karma…
Avtar is that person, who is born with this knowledge of self, and with this knowledge of Human dignity… something what misses completly inside Mohammed…
beside this karma is not confined with oneself alone, but it has to do with society a lot…God is free from karma, it is Human which bear the pain of Karma…. if we allow the down gradation of Human dignity on name of Muslim sensitivities… then it will pay us back…. this is how evil survives; but then comes a person that turns the whole thing back on track remounting the basic of Human dignity back in society… throwing God-of-Justice in gutter, and God-of-love prevails again…
We suffered Indian partition because we ignored how Islamofacist utilized india for spreading terror around the globe.from 1920’s onwards Indian money was used to kill Jews in Middle east. India was used as a base for terrorism by those Islamofacist. even we ignored the sufferings of fellow indians… forget how chapters of minor-Hindu girl kiddnaped, raped and converted by Islamocacist, and later named as Islam-bibi was ignored by congress to appease Islamofascit.. later the same Islamofacist turned against us. now once again we are at historic turn… but ironically we are allowing them again to use our motherland for Islamic evil deeds…
anyways Happy independence to you…
Comment by PM — August 15, 2008 @ 10:15 am
You KP’s,
You would prefer to want your panditani’s to run away with the Jammu Dogra’s and Gupta’s/ Sharma’s at the age of 12 but would not like to get them marry at 12.
[ Sentence deleted ].
This is your irony as a society that you are Hypocrates by your Genes.
Comment by HAKIM PARVEZ — August 15, 2008 @ 10:51 am
Pawan ,
>>[ Sentence deleted ].
Did you deleted this sentence ?
I think Pawan you are the editor.
Comment by Vicky — August 15, 2008 @ 11:00 am
What a pity!!!This is mere frustation of the Hindutva groups and the majority of Indians.They fail to realise they have once again ignited the uprising in Kashmir valley by killing the innocent people,blocking the highway and stopping the consumable resources ,which will hit back India very bad in near future.Kashmir is a disputed territory which has been stated in the UN council.We kashmiris are ready to shed blood and give sacrifice for our land,for it belongs to only kashmiris and not India.India claims kashmir to be integral part of India but still it deploys more than 7 lakhs troops,just because of the fear.You indians can never match the spartans of Kashmir Valley.If you can,just keep on trying.
Comment by Shahbaz Yousuf — August 15, 2008 @ 11:24 am
@Readers/Commentors
I myself being from same roots, can understand the pain and agony we possess to get back, from where this all started and the way it started. I respect all the views expressed here (and I have gone through each one of them).
One concern that I was having about above series was that why there is need to reply people like David/Zaheer/Hakim who don’t want to understand the point and not ready to accept India as their country even after so many explanations given above. It is better to ignore such fellows in such situations.
I was routed here from root website – http://www.rootsinkashmir.org/ (blog – http://rootsinkashmir.wordpress.com/) and liked reading the blog.
Pawan is organizing the online network pretty well with others in conjunction and would like to congratulate him on that.
@Editor
It was nice to read all the posts on this blog and I trust you on that you are bringing true facts and news related to our roots.
For all thoughts and discussions, a forum is more appropriate place than comments on a post but as far as I have been to all other websites on network, I myself couldn’t find any forum in place. Hopefully there will be some forum in place on Roots In Kashmir for such worthy discussions.
Comment by Nitesh — August 15, 2008 @ 11:26 am
yousuf …
its clear who is frustated here …. serpents who have been trying to spread terror for 20 years ….
and really nobody here will trust whatever numbers you give here ….
the fact is nobody anywhere nomore trusts and belives in your so called “freedom struggle”….
freedom is within you … whenever you realize that … you will be a better man ..
till then we will keep on weeding the sucker serpentines from kashmir … and when we have had enough we will send someone like gill there and everyone will fall in line …
fact is unknowingly stupid kashmiri moslems have ignited the fire in the majority of Indians …. and now they are just afraid “WHAT WILL HAPPEN IF BJP COMES TO POWER” … so in this fear they have started shouting “freedom” again …
we all know who we should have pity on … keep counting the bodies ….
you will see …
LIVE AND LET LIVE …
Comment by chandra — August 15, 2008 @ 11:34 am
>>We kashmiris are ready to shed blood and give sacrifice for our land
Please keep fighting , whole India is with you
>>You indians can never match the spartans of Kashmir Valley
TALANTED(muslims too) SPARTANS are already out , they are working around India
I guess you should appear them to return back and support you.
All you guys have to do is retain TALANTED guys there , they will surely get you freedom without blood
We don’t want you guys to die ……
Amen !!!! Suma Amen !!!!
lol
Comment by Vicky — August 15, 2008 @ 11:42 am
>>and when we have had enough we will send someone like gill there and everyone will >>fall in line
Don’t scare them .
Comment by Vicky — August 15, 2008 @ 11:43 am
>>They fail to realise they have once again ignited the uprising in Kashmir valley by killing the innocent people,blocking the highway and stopping the consumable resources ,which will hit back India very bad in near future
Here goes one more TERRORIST threat !!! now they now how one more excuse to continue their sexually apartheid blowjob in Islamic style…. right Mr. Shahbaz Yousuf ?
>>We kashmiris are ready to shed blood and give sacrifice for our land,for it belongs to only kashmiris and not India.
dude I am afraid…. !! what you think indians are serbians ?
Comment by PM — August 15, 2008 @ 12:24 pm
true face of the secular kashmiri moslem …
i think the blog is meeting its purpose …
so many of them have been exposed nothing more than aspiring terrorists …… and who knows may be some of them are already one of them … ??
lets blow the cover of more of them …
LIVE AND LET LIVE …
Comment by chandra — August 15, 2008 @ 12:57 pm
Mr David…. U never answered me…. I am not asking explanation why did Muhammad marry 6 year old and had sex with her at the age of 9yrs.
I am asking will u marry ur daughter or sister at age of 6 with the pious 50 muslim mulla who lived life exactly like muhammad “as u muslima call perfect” and let him consummate when ur sister/daughter is age of 9. Quaral and ur almighty allah command. If u think that something is ethically or morally wrong with that, Then question am I better person with ISLAM or without ISLAM. And take the right decision.
Wanted you people to realize that:
Muslim – ISLAM = PEACEFUL HUMAN (simple formula)
What muslims say is that people dont follow quran that is why this problem in the world, like jehad. So muslims have to become good muslims for world to become better. Wont happen. Any person who follows quran and muhammad cannot be good fundamental contradiction. hence my formula:
Muslim – ISLAM = PEACEFUL HUMAN (simple formula)
Take ur time, talk to people ask mullas but use ur brain, I am sure you will take the right decision and ISLAM WILL BE WIPED OUT OF KASHMIR AND INDIA.
Thanks everyone else in taking interest in understanding the fundamental of ISLAM. Wasn’t it an eye opener.
To educate you
Kuldeep Trisal
Comment by Kuldeep Trisal — August 15, 2008 @ 1:15 pm
I think we muslims are achieveing our objective of making KP’s Fanatics, rudderless and emotionless, and pro active.
You cowards why are you now dependant on that Sardar Gill…. You will always be a dependanty community as you are a bal-less community thtz why you left kashmir.
Had you been a community like Dogras you would have never left Kashmir.
Today also you r firing gun from the shoulders of the Dogra’s.
How may of you got killed in the Jammu Agitation.
Thatz why i, often call you a spineless society.
Comment by HAKIM PARVEZ — August 15, 2008 @ 1:20 pm
Hakim you could answer my question above will you yes or no?????
I am asking will u marry ur daughter or sister at age of 6 with the pious 50 year old muslim mulla who lived life exactly like muhammad “as u muslima call perfect” and let him consummate when ur sister/daughter is age of 9. Quaran and ur almighty allah’s command. If u think that something is ethically or morally wrong with that, Then question am I better person with ISLAM or without ISLAM. And take the right decision.
Wanted you people to realize that:
Muslim – ISLAM = PEACEFUL HUMAN (simple formula)
Answer please
Kuldeep Trisal
Comment by Kuldeep Trisal — August 15, 2008 @ 1:29 pm
Kuldeep ,
>>Thanks everyone else in taking interest in understanding the fundamental of ISLAM. >>Wasn’t it an eye opener.
surely , we did not know the facts.
Comon they don’t have answers
.
Cheers,
Vicky
Comment by Vicky — August 15, 2008 @ 1:35 pm
mr hakim parvezzz….. as u have made it clear to all about ur cheap thinking ….. i won’t comment on that..
u r right……… ur motive can never be a person to live nd let live
it was ur objective to move us out of the valley and u did that… and wht u said that if it were dogras they would have never left so mr hakim let me make it clear ……
It is not possible for any one in this world holding only 5%of th total poplulation to live with 95 % of millitants…
and u r saying that we r firing from shoulders of dogras … by this u r trying to make ur intention clear ie to divide… but let me make it clear if u had opened ur eyes proplerly u would have seen that kps r not behind …. they too r ready to sacrifice life..in jammu agitation almost all kps have become its part..
and stop passing baseless and cheap comments …. because this only shows hw cheap u people r
Comment by Neha .. — August 15, 2008 @ 1:39 pm
they dont have no answers …
their teeny tiny minds have been piss washed ….
its time they wake up … or eise they will die in there sleep ….
LIVE AND LET LIVE …
Comment by chandra — August 15, 2008 @ 1:41 pm
BOLTI BAND
Comment by Neha .. — August 15, 2008 @ 1:44 pm
kuldeep ji they are showing there true colors .
Who will explain then “kutta bhi apni galli me sher hota hai” ?
There MORONS will not understand simple math .
1KP != 100 KM’s ( Physically)
may be when you marry within relations you get MORONS , it is scientifically proved .
Comment by Vicky — August 15, 2008 @ 1:45 pm
now that is scietifically proven …. :d:)….
LIVE AND LET LIVE …
Comment by chandra — August 15, 2008 @ 1:49 pm
>>>I am asking will u marry ur daughter or sister at age of 6 with the pious 50 year old >>>muslim mulla who lived life exactly like muhammad “as u muslima call perfect” and let >>>him consummate when ur sister/daughter is age of 9
umko jawab chaheye …
humko chaiye aazadi … aazadi to do sins …..
lol
Comment by Vicky — August 15, 2008 @ 1:54 pm
Dear All,
When you speak against my divine and Holy religion… u appreciate yourselves for being moderate and emanciapted. How can you slander my religion when you better know that you don’t even spare a Phallus of Shiv and don’t even spare a sinble pebble on road whom you don’t make a psedo god.
I would again reitertae that why don’t you have any Prithvi Raj Chauhan or Tipu Sultan from your community.
Why do feel shy in accepting that you are community of a pussilanimous, spineless, cowardly people.
You are definitely a community of reservations harping on the anti kashmiri sentiment throughout India .
Comment by HAKIM PARVEZ — August 15, 2008 @ 2:14 pm
Kuldeep ji ,
I am wondering if you had ever asked such questions to the KM when there was normalicy , probabily in early 80’s.
Or you were not knowing about it then yourself ?
Regards,
Vicky
Comment by Vicky — August 15, 2008 @ 2:29 pm
Hi Vicky
Unfortunately I didnot know in 1980 what muslim religion was all about. But I have asked quite a few well educated muslims recently they want to avoid the question. when u really want them to speak they give answers like hakim parvez. Well 3 of my muslim friends stopped speaking to me, the problem is that muslims dont know that they have an option of abandoning there religion, if they want to. But I can see them less change, but they get emotionally disturbed. Imagine ur dynasties live with this lie and it shows on ur face, u will be emotionally ruined. Either you will say I cant beleive you, or u will change ur idealogy.
Mr Hakim my question is not to slander ur religion but let us follow it with better logic:
muhammads life is the ideal and perfect life says quran am i slandering ur religion no.
muhammad married aiesha at the age of 6 and consummated her at the age of 9 is this slandering ur religion no
based on above two extrapolating the facts to yourself:
I am asking will u marry ur daughter or sister at age of 6 with the pious 50 year old muslim mulla who lived life exactly like muhammad “as u musliman calls perfect” and let him consummate when ur sister/daughter is age of 9. Am I asking u something ur muhammad did not do — NO . Am i slandering ur religion NO.. it is in ur religion
If u think that something is ethically or morally wrong with that, Then question yourself am I better person with ISLAM or without ISLAM. And take the right decision.
LEAVE ISLAM THERE IS THE OPTION –THINK PEOPLE ARE DOING IT.
All the best
Kuldeep Trisal
Comment by Kuldeep Trisal — August 15, 2008 @ 2:48 pm
hakim …
this is not about kashmiri pandits only ….
i am not a kasmiri pandit …
and i would call myself an Indian and Hindustani before saying i am a Hindu ….
you have not got the PULSE OF THIS NATION …. UNITY IN DIVERSITY ….
this is because you are following the wrong religion that preachs hatred …
CHANGE ….. IT WILL BE BETTER FOR YOU ….
LIVE AND LET LIVE …
Comment by chandra — August 15, 2008 @ 2:58 pm
hakim…. no one would have uttered a single word … if ur religion would not have sowed the seeds ofterrorism…. now i want all of u to…
imagine world without muslims….
no terrsm
no millitants
no innocent killing
and no migration ..
and no other problems in this world .. so mr hakim stop commenting on kashmiri pandits.. and see where u people stand…..
Comment by Neha .. — August 15, 2008 @ 3:30 pm
Hello Kuldeep ,
I understand it now , I think most of the people are now aware of this fact.
Comment by Vicky — August 15, 2008 @ 3:31 pm
sorry it is kashmiri muslims that i wanted to point
Comment by Neha .. — August 15, 2008 @ 3:31 pm
Neha just a question for you
>>I m not against islam …even i respect it eqully as i respect my own religion.
What is your opinion now ?
Comment by Vicky — August 15, 2008 @ 3:37 pm
seriously till yesterday i was completely having a opp.. opinion..
but now i feel it is not worth my respect
the religion in which a child of 6 can marry with 50 year … this religion is beyond my imagination..
seriously thank god that i m not a muslim … and i wonder hw can people still say that their rel is best
Comment by Neha .. — August 15, 2008 @ 3:46 pm
I think now we should make sure that people are aware of such facts and then leave to them if they respect/disrecpect it .It should be there personal choice .
We should start with KP’s , start from the relations and social gatherings .
We need all KP to be aware of this first .
Comment by Vicky — August 15, 2008 @ 3:52 pm
>>the religion in which a child of 6 can marry with 50 year … this religion is beyond my >>imagination..
Or may be there were some reasons which are beyond our comprehension , I mean for one particular case .
Look how bluntly they now say it is correct and they will follow it , that is shocking ;(
Comment by Vicky — August 15, 2008 @ 4:02 pm
Islam is a Religion of Peace and word itself connotes submission to Peace, The people, whom you call Jehadi’s, are a section of people who are pro- active like you are. The problem with them is that they want instant results and the problem with you that you wait for the results to come.
But why didn’t you answer my question that why don’t you have anyone like Tipu Sultan or Maharana Partap.
Why don’t you KP’s join the Indian Army.
Why you want reservations in all the states of India… Of Course, Jobs also.
Why are you exempted from paying the Income Tax.(And you talk of paying taxes)
Why do you still get a Migrant Fund (Beggar Fund from our Taxes/Revenue)
Why do you still live in Muthi/ Pokhroo Camps ( Not to assuage the feelings of Gupta’s/ Sharma’s)
Comment by HAKIM PARVEZ — August 15, 2008 @ 4:14 pm
Hello Vicky and neha,
I have touched just the ice berg…… There is so much stuff that we can prove to our ignorant muslims how badly they have been misguided by allah and muhammad. And this lie has carried on to this age…….. I am trying to restrict myself from typing or copying more about ISLAM. It really depends on them what they want me to talk about.
Also want to make it clear to them I am asking them to abandon ISLAM…. they don’t have to follow anything or any religion other than their conscience, that is it. That will be the transformation because they cant follow there conscience if they follow ISLAM and vice versa.
ISLAM tells them to marry there daughter or sister at age of 6 but conscience says no…. that is why I don’t get any answer from muslims……… the result is
I have achieved what I wanted to make them aware that they are HUMANS with out ISLAM………………….. Haven’t I.
Thanks for going through all this and I followed peaceful process as much as I could to drive my point home,
Thank you david and Hakim and other muslim Brothers for being very diligent and cooperative and showing that you agree with your conscience and not ISLAM. I am proud of you both. Peace be upon u both. Help others and spread the word.
With lots of best wishes
Yours truly
Kuldeep Trisal
Comment by Kuldeep Trisal — August 15, 2008 @ 4:28 pm
Dear All,
I trust and know for sure that all my questions posed to u will, definitely, haunt you all your life and whever you confront a Kashmiri Muslim you will pee and murmer… Hey he is the one who has done to us what no one could do … He has made KP’s a Parasite on other communities.
Jammu Dogra’s, you have a history and beawre of these KP’s.. When they can’t be Loyal to there Kashmiri Roots, How can they be Loyal to U. Think it over. And you will soon get the answer from them only.
Good nite.
Comment by HAKIM PARVEZ — August 15, 2008 @ 4:40 pm
hakim U never told me whether u use ur conscience or ISLAm as the question was posed to u.
Now when u are talking about the dogra u forgot they are Hindus first….. but u forgot they are Humans before that……… so please become a human and join our team of peace…….
This loyal word we hear from muslims a lot why? Dog is considered most loyal but muslims dont like to have dogs why? That is because ISLAM teaches them read below
Mohammad was against dogs because he was a caravan raider and thieves do not like man’s best friend.
To this day our furry friends make excellent burglar alarm systems: if someone starts tampering with the locks or the windows, Fido will bark up a storm and warn his sleeping masters that an emulator of the Islamic prophet might be trying to sneak into the premises.
It is noteworthy that Mohammad particularly hated black dogs (hard to see during nighttime raiding activities).
HA HA HA Think what muhammad is and loyal word doesnot sound good out of muslims mouth.
People from jammu are humans and so are pandits we are talking basic humanity and not loyality. If you want something loyal HAVE A DOG BUT MUHAMMAD WONT LIKE THAT……….. Cool
Take care
Kuldeep
Comment by Kuldeep Trisal — August 15, 2008 @ 5:05 pm
I explained already above
Here below is the quran words translated
Book 16, Number 2840:
Narrated Jabir ibn Abdullah:
The Prophet of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) ordered to kill dogs, and we were even killing a dog which a woman brought with her from the desert. Afterwards he forbade to kill them, saying: Confine yourselves to the type which is black.
Book 004, Number 1032:
Abu Dharr reported: The Messenger of ‘Allah (may peace be upon him) said: When any one of you stands for prayer and there is a thing before him equal to the back of the saddle that covers him and in case there is not before him (a thing) equal to the back of the saddle, his prayer would be cut off by (passing of an) ass, woman, and black Dog. I said: O Abu Dharr, what feature is there in a black dog which distinguish it from the red dog and the yellow dog? He said: O, son of my brother, I asked the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) as you are asking me, and he said: The black dog is a devil.
Bring it on for your loyality
Kuldeep
Comment by Kuldeep Trisal — August 15, 2008 @ 5:23 pm
TO HAKIM PARVEZ:
You will soon be history and then you can RIP.
Traitors = Kashmiri Muslims
Killers = Kashmiri Muslims
Rapists = Kashmiri Muslims
Looters = Kashmiri Muslims
Antinational = Kashmiri Muslims
Problem = Kashmiri Muslims
Jihad = Kashmiri Muslims
Liars= Kashmiri Muslims
Comment by Voice Of Jammu — August 15, 2008 @ 6:01 pm
TO HAKIM PARVEZ:
>>>>Why do you still live in Muthi/ Pokhroo Camps ( Not to assuage the feelings of Gupta’s/ Sharma’s)
ONLY A PERVERT KASHMIRI MUSLIM CAN THINK OF THIS POINT. WELL IF I THROW MY TWO CENTS ON YOUR FACE PARVEZ(BEGGER KASHMIRI MUSLIM) WE IN JAMMU ARE ONE INCUDING kASHMIRS,DOGRAS AND JAMMU MUSLIMS IRREESPECTIVE OF CASTES.
Comment by Voice Of Jammu — August 15, 2008 @ 6:06 pm
16/08/08
Islam is a religion of peace. Please read what it has said about the the other religionists.
8:12, I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them
8:15-16, O ye who believe! when ye meet the Unbelievers in hostile array, never turn your backs to them. If any do turn his back to them on such a day – unless it be in a stratagem of war, or to retreat to a troop (of his own)- he draws on himself the wrath of Allah, and his abode is Hell,- an evil refuge (indeed)!
8:17, It is not ye who slew them; it was Allah: when thou threwest (a handful of dust), it was not thy act, but Allah’s: in order that He might test the Believers by a gracious trial from Himself
8:60, Against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your power, including steeds of war, to strike terror into (the hearts of) the enemies, of Allah and your enemies, and others besides, whom ye may not know, but whom Allah doth know. Whatever ye shall spend in the cause of Allah, shall be repaid unto you, and ye shall not be treated unjustly.
Comment by Thiagan — August 16, 2008 @ 3:17 am
mr hakim i ll answer ur stupid questions…
first of all clear ur figures… there are a lot of kps in armiy …so don’t comment if u don’t know.
secondly we have never asked for reservations…it is just because we were migrants thats why we were given admissin in some prof coll. but we never gat reservations in jobs…
who said that we don’t pay tax…. we do pay tax…(and we don’t have black money like u people have that we will hide) only those people r exempted from who don’t have jobs as they lost their huge buisness and property in kashmir .. that too because of u millitants.
mind ur language mr hakim we are not beggers… if ur community would have faced the same situation they would have died like rats. we kps live with dinity even after facing so much….
and what u said “ur govt” it is an indian govt and from ur statements it is clear that u r not an indian … so we don’t get any begger fund instead the govt helps those who faced so much because of migration.
i warned u earlier to stop writing rubbish things… people in migrant camps live there because they have no other place to live and what ever u said about migrant camps happen in srinagar not in jammu… the whole world knows this
and mr hakim this phrase suits u ” ulta chor kotwat ko daante”
Comment by Neha .. — August 16, 2008 @ 5:00 am
Neha,
R u a female… Don’t get scared…
Comment by HAKIM PARVEZ — August 16, 2008 @ 7:14 am
dont worry U pervert could not answer me and start running around did u leave ISLAM already are are u on a look out for ur 6 year old sister I know couple of mullas
Kuldeep
Comment by Kuldeep Trisal — August 16, 2008 @ 7:18 am
Neha,
You are wasting your time by replying to them , could you not make how cheap they can go from there latest statements.
So I request all KP not to answer these guys , “gus khodas sanav kanay to chikas khasan aasi”
So be cool and focused in life , at individual level the *deserving* HUMAN in life.
bye,
Vicky
Comment by Vicky — August 16, 2008 @ 7:24 am
another parvez is running away from his dream land … pak-shaitan ….
hakim will follow him when he is caned out of kashmir ….
….
LIVE AND LET LIVE ….
Comment by chandra — August 16, 2008 @ 7:24 am
Kuldeep,
I think you got your answer earlier , let us not insult them more now.
You have put across what you wanted and which was logical enough for any HUMAN of this era to understand.
I am *SURE* those who understand this fact have start changing , this is need of time .
You don’t get results overnight , let us have patience.
Vicky
Comment by Vicky — August 16, 2008 @ 7:30 am
Vicky,
U have left the Arena like a true KP who believes and Prophesses ” The Best Way To End A Fight Is To Lose It”.
Now all KP’s must have got the answer to their Exodus. This is how you left Kashmir.. Like Mr Vicky the Great….
Comment by HAKIM PARVEZ — August 16, 2008 @ 7:35 am
does this sound sadist question to you…… come on….. u agree that someone who does like this is a sadist……. I only asked the question…….. in that case what will you call muhammad who did it in his life……………. Think —– shame on you being a muslim you called muhammad sadist….. or have u already loined my hands but are hesitating….
we are happy to know that you called muhammad sadist and disassociated urself from ISLAM….. welcome to HUMANS…… now behave like one….
Kuldeep Trisal
Comment by Kuldeep Trisal — August 16, 2008 @ 7:43 am
vicky I agree with you, i need to do more reading and tomorrow I will start attacking muslim Blogs if you know any let me know…. I am fully loaded with ammunition to make the world ISLAM free and Terrorism Free…….. make them understand the lies Muhammad told them…..
Kuldeep
Comment by Kuldeep Trisal — August 16, 2008 @ 7:46 am
Hakim,
I make sure when I met any KM anywhere I provoke them to take *FIGHT* with me , but not a SINGLE KM had a balls to openly say me Dallay Batta to me .
They all seems to be good inside India and I don’t have any reason to use my muscles over them , because my conscious/religion does not allow that .
I can easily get a group of hindu guys and get you beaten in every part of india , but we are not COWARDS
I don’t believe in 10 indians beating a single KM , that would cowarness ..
Unfortunately I can’t see you physically now ;(
Neha pointed you all about the tax payment/reservations etc , I could also have told you the same but I don’t see it useful .
Kuldeep had send across the message and it had hit you .
anyway that was the answer to your cowardness , ask your muslims friends if they had ever beaten a single KP out side the valley . lol
Comment by Vicky — August 16, 2008 @ 7:57 am
Vicky,
U are definiitely a Coward and a Dalle Batte… Why should you need the help of 10 Hindus to beat a Single KM.
Even if u c me, will hav the guts to beat me… though i am not so strong… but where will you find 10 Hindus at that time….
Moreover, unless and until you are not intoxicated you can’t fight a single Muslim.
Comment by HAKIM PARVEZ — August 16, 2008 @ 8:11 am
>>Why should you need the help of 10 Hindus to beat a Single KM.
exactly , I just wanted to hear this from you …..
I wanted you guys to tell yourself that this is cowardness , we left valley because you were 95 KM and targetting 1KP .
lol
Comment by Vicky — August 16, 2008 @ 8:19 am
kuldeep,
yes you need to bring the awareness ..
I think you have succeed , look David had not come back he seems to be more logical
the other one is fighting and will not accept the fact immediately , it takes time .
Comment by Vicky — August 16, 2008 @ 8:22 am
hakim……… I M NOT SCARED OF PEOPLE LIKE U… BUT INSTEAD U HAVE PROVED THAT U R SCARED BY SKIPPING TO ANSWER by WRITING DOWN COMMENTS IN OTHER SECTION……..
u have proved that u people are cowards, spitting venom and parasites on india….
Comment by Neha .. — August 16, 2008 @ 8:48 am
” we left valley because you were 95 KM and targetting 1KP” .
great reply VICKY…
Comment by Neha .. — August 16, 2008 @ 8:57 am
It’s poetic justice. You guys will continue to suffer as long you live. Try as hard as you may, you’ll be at the mercy of India. For all your life you will be tainted as traitors.
When you meet non-muslim people (not just from India but rest of the world as well), they may not tell you on face; but the fact is they strongly despise you; and look down upon all of you. You are the lowest scums of the society, and disease that needs to be prevented spreading across.
Comment by AK — August 16, 2008 @ 10:36 am
This is Quran on Lust:
Koran 33:51 “You may have whomever you desire; there is no blame.”
Koran 66:1 “O Prophet! Why forbid yourself that which Allah has made lawful to you? You seek to please your consorts.”
Koran 66:4 “If you (women) turn in repentance to him, it would be better. Your hearts have been impaired, for you desired (the ban) [on how many girls Muhammad could play with at a time]. But if you back each other up against (Muhammad), truly Allah is his protector, and Gabriel, and everyone who believes—and furthermore, the angels will back (him) up.”
Koran 66:5 “Maybe, if he divorces you (all), Allah will give him in exchange consorts better than you—submissive, faithful, obedient, adorers who worship, who travel, and are inclined to fasting—previously married or virgins.”
Comment by AK — August 16, 2008 @ 10:44 am
Dear Sister Neha,
Why i told you to answer me about your gender because as a female i didn’t want you to read all the venom we are spitting at each other reason being that, at times, we tend to go out of control and do write many unparliamentary remarks, thatz y i told you don’t get scared so that you will react.
I , do, respect the women folk as i am myself surrounded by Mother and Sisters.
On reading this quote from me M/s Trisal, Vicky, AK, Voice of Jammu would definitely react.
Comment by HAKIM PARVEZ — August 16, 2008 @ 11:27 am
M/S Trisal, AK, PM, Voice of Jammu, Vicky et al,
I now remember your names by heart. PM is also out of the Blog. I am thinking that when i am back in states after a week how would i tease you as i would not have time there. I would definitely have to find some way out there.
How all of you celebrated the Independence Day, yesterday. Don’t Lie. Be truthfull.
Comment by HAKIM PARVEZ — August 16, 2008 @ 11:32 am
mr hakim,
if u really do respect women folk then why r u writing so bad about kashmiri womens…i have read ur all comments .. and i really don’t feel u respect womens…
and when i wrote that stop writing these rubish things u told me not to get scared…
make it clear… i m having a low i q level….
Comment by Neha .. — August 16, 2008 @ 2:27 pm
Paiveiz…..
Kashiri batini yem pazaar valnay che ratas yini krihen huun boozni chava paar.
BUM BUM BHOLAY
Kuldeep
Comment by Kuldeep Trisal — August 16, 2008 @ 3:05 pm
Dear Sister Neha, (Do Read My Blog Carefully)
I had already replied to your blog. Why i wrote the word scared becoz i wanted to give you a confidence that i am not going to write or use a derogatory remark against you.. Believe me if you trust your brother.
I, as an individual, don’t have any bias against KP’s as my earlier blogs of 13/14th August would bear a witness. But when i appealed for peace and to find an amicable solution to the HoLY Amarnath Land Row, my proposal was turned down. Is it the baby of the Politicians only to find Solutions. Aren’t we all on the Blog Competent enough to find a Solution to this Land Row.
And when you started abusing my Religion, i too reciprocated. But believe me i wrote, ab initio, as a mere political commentrator on this blog.
I have myself been to Amarnath, To Parbat, To Shanracharya Temple, To Khir Bhawani, To Zeethyar and who else understands and misses you more than me.
Karl Marx has said religion is an Opium and Where Logic Ends the Religion Starts. When Religion was Involved by some Bloggers, i went out of Control.
I left for sometime from the blog sat in my Garden and rethought.. And told to myself..Parvez you are doing something wrong.. Afterall, all KP’s are your brothers and the women folk like your sisters and even Mothers and here i am… A person refined.
Dear Sister Neha, i have two sisters and i swear upon them.. I don’t have any bias against KP’s. But the other side should also reciprocate.
Religion to me is neither a Dogma Nor an Emotion But a Service.
I am once again Sorry if i Have hurt you.
Comment by HAKIM PARVEZ — August 16, 2008 @ 3:55 pm
I am very inclined to reply to above but I have great respect for you feelings and the humanity you have showed I am pleased….. I am sure neha will reply back to you….
I am also very have and wish you and ur both sister a very happy and prosperous life. I can understand your hesitation in my question you took the right decision, we are all happy for you.
My purpose is not to attach any ones faith / religion…. but the objective was to explain your own religious text word by word so that u can decide better, why the problems exist. This is not only for muslims but for all the hindus too we have to understand quran but not the maulvi way but meaning word for word and ask our coincidence and help and educate all.
well you could go and sit in the nice garden but when we go out we only see dust and pollution…. but we are happy for you…. My sabzaar be in your and your sisters life for now and ever.
Thanks your own
Kuldeep Trisal
Comment by Kuldeep Trisal — August 16, 2008 @ 4:36 pm
Dear Kuldeep,
If you need any of my service at any given time i would be too glad to serve my Kashmiri Brother.
I should confess here that its not the religion which binds the people but the culture.
Our culture is one, our language is one, our circle is one than y do we fight with each other.
I do really feel for your Exodus from Kashmir and would be too glad if you return to Kashmir.
I have 15 Rooms in my House, i would be too glad to offer you my room if you ever want to come back to Kashmir.
My Blessings and wishes for you are every KP.. Let you prosper and we also prosper.
Comment by HAKIM PARVEZ — August 16, 2008 @ 4:47 pm
Hakim Parvez, Have you given up Islam. That’s great !!! Anyways Hakim is a Arabic word ( not a muslim one ) and Parvez ( is corrupt form of Sanskrit word “apar” + “vez” )
Its good that “Islam” is out of “Human” now.
But be aware if other “Muslims”. If they come to know this, you may be treated as a “Kafir”
All the Best to you….
Comment by Chintamani — August 16, 2008 @ 5:19 pm
Kuldeep,
>>the other one is fighting and will not accept the fact immediately , it takes time .
I don’t believe it works in lesser time , see I told you that it will take time.
I was not sure if will happen so early .
However I am yet not sure if people have really changed or it is just a drama again.
Comment by Vicky — August 16, 2008 @ 5:21 pm
Hakim I hope it is not
Pilim na tai choikey gram
Thanks for the offer….. It takes more than one room and more than one kashmiri muslim…….
I suggested make videos and prove….. the more the people the more the weight age….
As I said we start with one person and then the movement carries itself it amplifies by multiple factors….
Best wishes for the video…..
Kuldeep Trisal
Comment by Kuldeep Trisal — August 16, 2008 @ 5:33 pm
mr hakim saib ..
i think the war of words is over now…. anyways i m glad…
i m happy that u gave me respect and behaved the way in which a human being is expected to b..
i m not against islam as i said earlier .. but when i read ur rubbish comments i could not stop my self from writing..anyways again i would like to suggest all of my frnds that please don’t write anything against any religion… BECAUSE THIS ONLY SHOWS THAT WE TRY TO PROVE OURSELF BETER THAN THE OTHER PERSON … SO PLEASE STOP ALL THIS… IF U WANT TO WRITE…. DISCUSS THE LAND ISSUE… BUT DON’T INVOLVE RELIGION IN IT … THIS IS MY HUMBLE REQUESTT TO ALL READERS AND WRITERS…
NEHA
Comment by Neha .. — August 17, 2008 @ 4:02 am
Strange…
The fights starts and ends with no concluison…
finally enemies become brothers n sisters…however the main issue remains the same..
wt will happen the the kashmir dat BELONGS to india and is getting away from its natural root.
What about the land issue? still remains
Comment by raksha — August 18, 2008 @ 11:58 am
because I guess Muslims vanished as fast as they could, great job vicky, kuldeep, neha, chintamani and others…..
Muslims when they get the hit on their belief and realize there is nothing more to say they will vanish….. I think people have asked them very fundamental questions about quran and there belief and since they were educated they realised this was a loosing battle…..
Land issue has become so huge details are changing every now and then…. of course HINDUS are serious and will make sure muslims goto pakistan…. be be here on our terms….. Land has to be logically belong to Amarnath…..
God bless whole community
Comment by Koul Anil — August 18, 2008 @ 12:43 pm
Let’s be smarter!!
This is EXACTLY what PDP and Hurriyat wanted – to create divide between people of Kashmir and rest of the country – Unfortunately – they are succeeding.
We have to defeat the Propaganda not the Kashmiris.
We need to avoid taking any step that will alienate people of Kashmir from India.
We need to help them move away from Hurriyat and PDP to either congress or bjp.
We need to create integration not just geographically but mentally also.
Land is not the problem – let’s not fight for that – fight for togetherness and integrity. We can change the path of this fight to creating a stronger and united India.. otherwise Kashmiris will start thinking we are their enemies. Let’s win them with love and determination.
Comment by niceguy — August 19, 2008 @ 8:33 pm
We can use the current agitation to bring Kashmiri Pandits back to their home.
This will create a big problem for all jehadis and pro-pakistani leaders. and automatically they will be exposed.
Comment by niceguy — August 19, 2008 @ 8:35 pm
Niceguy either U are very nice and crazi guy or u are not kashmiri Pandit..,, In any case who ever you are read and watch video it will help…..
Islam not muslims have taken our land and birth place…….
All muslims were humans like us before they became intoxicated with islam…..
It is not a matter of land any more…………
whole world has realised truth about the “PEACE FULL ISLAM”…………
Which religion can really coexist in MUSLIM Majority…………
Whole world is ready to take it down…………
Muslims are in the fight with the world…………..
see for yourself…… Wafa Sultan…. we are not creating it it is fact……
http://switch3.castup.net/cunet/gm.asp?ai=214&ar=1050wmv&ak
Arise muslims…….. It is ok you we all will help you and support you…….
We can understand the betrayal of your Propfit Muhammad and quran ………..
Anil
Comment by Koul Anil — August 20, 2008 @ 1:57 am
>>We can use the current agitation to bring Kashmiri Pandits back to their home.
And get them KILLED again .
Comon niceguy, let us understand the ISLAM.
It is not problem with Muslims , it is problem with ISLAM.
Let us not run away from the fact, we have KHAN’s in bollywood, cricket etc …. we love them as MUSLIMS , we can understand now that they don’t follow ISLAM and are HUMAN .
Let us accept the fact and EDUCATE PEOPLE about this.
Comment by Vicky — August 20, 2008 @ 8:29 am
Our problem is not PAKISTAN Or Muslim , the problem is the “Muslims BLINDFAITH/illogical in ISLAM” ……
Comment by Vicky — August 20, 2008 @ 8:31 am
Being a KP it would be tough to see Kashmir going away to Pakistan, but it would be better for all of us now …..
It has taken me just 3 days to analyze/conclude after I was enlightened about ISLAM .
We have perished for last 20 years and I never had personally believed that the religion preaching could be a problem but it was *SHOCKING* to know the facts .
Comment by Vicky — August 20, 2008 @ 8:37 am
As I browse through the pages of the newspaper, my heart wrenches at the thought of what I have just read. The J&K issue, a pot boil. The tug of war between two sects over the land allotment issue for Amarnath Shrine has stretched way too much beyond every body’s expectations and endurance. And like the actual game of tug of war that has a hole dug in the center where the defeated ones fall, analogous to that scenario, are the Kashmir Protests. People on either sides of the tug are pulling in the opposite directions and the contenders from either side are continuously falling into the pit. The saddest part of the story is that even after witnessing there fellow men fall into the hole the others relentlessly keep tugging. They feel it’s a fight for freedom, but I just have one thought that hits my mind every day. Freedom from what?
I want to look each protester in the eye and tell them, my dear brothers and sisters, you need freedom; I agree, but not from any government but from the chains of communalistic thoughts that have been engraved into your thought process by the hardliners. India needs freedom from any fanatic who wants to get himself fame and put his fellows to flame.
Today as India stands in the 61st year of its independence, it’s a matter of shame that we are heading towards the worse.
What are you protesting for my dear friends? I am one of you. Having my roots in Kashmir I belong to a Kashmiri Pundit family that was forced to flee for the fear of their lives and issues of integrity. I have lost my land and my people who got murdered by the so called “freedom fighters” of the country that you endorse. The loss I have suffered goes beyond words.
So many children who were forced to flee the land with the parents have a seeded thought of suppression which by no means is healthy for any individual,such wounds take a lifetime to heal. And the same is happening with the children in Kashmir, who witness the game of blood every single day.
I have suffered the loss but I am still tolerant rather openly welcoming all Muslims as I feel there is no difference between us. It’s just the communal tags that have been attached with us that have turned us into foes.
Wake up my dear Fellow Kashmiri people, Think about your future generations and try to accept that you are rooted to India through Kashmir. I as an individual respect what Islam preaches but it for sure does not preach that we shed blood of our own people.
Before signing off I would like to express that it was indeed shocking to hear that the renowned Ms.Shabaana Azmi could not buy a piece of land in Mumbai because she belonged to the Muslim community, but I was hoping that Ms.Azmi could have handled the issue in a more dignified manner than bringing it up at such sensitive times when the crown state of the nation is burning under communal riots and when the states like Gujarat, Bangalore, Mumbai are still reviving from the IM led bomb attacks.
I am an ordinary person, a common individual of the country, who just wants to appeal to the people, not to forget what I wrote but to please genuinely give it a try to douse the communalistic thoughts inside our minds. We need to grow out of these for a brighter tomorrow for all of us irrespective of our religious roots.
Comment by Shivi — August 20, 2008 @ 2:49 pm
Shivi …
If u come back and read then you have hit the nail on the head …
“FREEDOM FROM WHAT?”
This is the question kashmiri moslems need to ask themselves …
No body will need army in the “valley”… if pakistan stops pushing terrorists in the valley and moslems in valley stop helping them … rest they can govern themselves … they have there tourism business they can run …OF COURSE ON THE BORDER WE NEED THE ARMY AGAINST PAK-SHAITAN …
they can get along with the world … which will be IMPOSSIBLE under pak-shaitan …
so choice is theirs …
future and life vs …. terrorism and sharia talibanism…
LIVE AND LET LIVE …
Comment by chandra — August 20, 2008 @ 3:26 pm
Mr Shivi,
I liked the way in which u expressed ur views.. after a long time i could see a person who thinks something more than religion….ii agree with u whta u said for the kashmiri muslims…but i think that u are wrong when u say thet u openly welcome these muslims… these muslims have thrown us out of our native place…. made us reff in our own country… still u r saying that u welcome them…. don’t do this.. at least make them feel that they have hurted us…
ok tell me if wht they did with us …we did that… would they forgive us… its not possible…
so i m not telling be againt islam but i m against those who preach it in bad way… kill people on the name of religion…
Comment by jaggu — August 20, 2008 @ 3:43 pm
Great arguments……. but they will look nice in news papers etc ……where we try to prove unity between hindu and muslim….. and so on
Tell me in which part of the world people who follow ISLAM live in total Harmony with any other religion…… especially when they are in majority……. please give examples…
When ever u see a nice muslim hugging a hindu from bottom of his heart and with open arms ….. Be certain that he is not following ISLAM ……..
Even when they have 100% muslim population they kill each other……
Think what %age of Hindus live in Pakistan and what %age of muslims are here in India….
In India muslims can speak openly do they have same rights in Pakistan…. rather do they have any rights there……..
I have interacted with most people with most of the religions but ISLAM being a religion….. That is crap….
True story….I had a very close muslim friend who was in financial trouble and had lost job…. I allowed him to stay with me and he even did nimas in my house….. I never objected…… Then he kept on bugging me if I like ISLAM and would convert…. I used to tell him no many times…. Then one day I asked him jokingly will u consider converting to Hinduism….. immediately his colors changed he said take back ur works or I will be the worst person u have ever met…. and he was about to get more angry I told him I will take back my words get out at this moment from my house….. He left and that was last I saw him…..
What does it teach you …. love adjustment …. or blind In HUMAN following which will lead to the end of humanity…………….
Thanks for reading…………….
Comment by koul Anil — August 20, 2008 @ 4:14 pm
Chandra ,
I am hoping that people do understand what you and me have tried to put forth in words.Acceptance is the most important thing here.Sometimes i feel sorry that we are so driven by some fanatics that we forget our own thought processes.
And Jaggu , thanks for agreeing on what i commented and about the “openly welcome these muslims” part , i am talking about the community in general.If a “Geelani” or a “Yasin Malik” can brains wash some of the Muslims and make them hardcore in their thoughts against us , lets not forget even Hindus have hardcore fanatics who are quite capable of misleading the people,and they do.does that make all the Hindus bad ?So lets not put a BAD TAG on the whole community but try to pick out people who are creating the communal menace.
I am sure you know that most of the kashmiri population is easy to be misled coz they are being misinformed most of the times.
For us it should not be important as to who belongs to which sect , thats all i want to say.we have to start somewhere.You start or They start or I start.But unless we don’t accept the fact that we all are molded from the mud of the same land its useless to even probe further into anything.
I know we got displaced from our native place , the pain is as much mine as is yours , but if this accusation continues , we will have no results.
Kahin se tou shuru karna hai , tou apne se hi kyun nahi.
Comment by Shivi — August 20, 2008 @ 4:20 pm
Anil , i know this all sounds very idealistic and good to ears and in your words “meant for newspapers” , but believe me , I think thats the way to start.
And about your story , I agree we all have had episodes of similar nature.But again i feel that they have been brain washed , its instilled in their minds.Thats what we need to fight Anil.And its a very subjective opinion.
Thanks.
Comment by Shivi — August 20, 2008 @ 4:24 pm
Shivi I am very happy that u answered…… But the fact ISLAM has no examples of any tolerance….. They are very negative to criticism of their religion……
I fully agree that they have been brain washed….. By whom….. ISLAM…… till ex-muslims tell muslims and there is overall awareness, that world wide people have started leaving ISLAM and started being humans…. nothing will happen……
Muslim never from his birth would have ever thought that there was ever an option of leaving ISLAM till people started doing it………
20 yrs back we did not have information and knowledge exchange under our fingertips….. Today I am typing and many are reading….. earlier if any one talked against ISLAM he was killed ….. now what will they do same song is going on world wide…….
Spend some time on http://www.faithfreedom.org
It is a great site and understand…… we in India have to realise and understand what is happening in the world…. and be able to handle the problem better…..
Comment by koul Anil — August 20, 2008 @ 4:33 pm
Thanks for fwding the link Anil.
let me read into it, will share my thoughts with you once through.
Thanks.
Comment by Shivi — August 20, 2008 @ 4:37 pm
what brain washed?
thse guys don’t have brains.. thats what i feel…
i want to tell u that the whole community of kashmiri muslims is the sme …they will never change… u will say that they r being brainwashed …. but by whm.. i think frm the first day when a child comes to knw…anything in this world he is told by his mom and dad that u r pakistani….. i have seen this.. few yrs back i was in kashmir to spend my holidays…a nd we came into contact with a muslim family (a very well family of sri)and a smal 6 or 7 yr child was with them.. i asked him who is ur fav player he said wasim akram… i said frm india … he said why should i have fav player frm india .. we all are pakistani…. i was compl shocked..
this is what a small child is told and u talk about brain wash
Comment by Neha — August 20, 2008 @ 4:41 pm
Shivi,
#I as an individual respect what Islam preaches but it for sure does not preach that we shed #blood of our own people
I wanted to keep you innocent about fact but Anil had hit it ….
Read carefully the blog from beginning and you will realize what ISLAM preaches.
Talk to few guys around you and you will see how many people know what ISLAM preaches …..
Use logics and see what is going around , you will have answer .
Educate people … start from home and see how many around you know the fact about ISLAM …..
I still have MUSLIMS as close friends , ofcource INDIAN MUSLIMS ….
You have to understand what WEST call as RADICAL MUSLIM .
You will get answer ….
Comment by Vicky — August 20, 2008 @ 5:05 pm
Is a RELIGION preaches you have to be loyal to RELIGION and not to COUNTRY , then you will get such answers
#### . we all are pakistani…. i was compl shocked.
I don’t blame them for this …. The problem is radical muslim , KM’s were never like that but they have been intoxicated to such extends that they forget HUMAN values …
Our Alla would be sad for radicals muslims ;(
Comment by Vicky — August 20, 2008 @ 5:08 pm
I wonder what Sajad Lone and Mehbooba have to say about this report:
“On August 19, 2008, another truck driver Rashpreet Singh son of Tarlok Singh, a resident of Gadigarh, Satwari, was mercilessly beaten-up by the people at Bijbehara on Jammu-Srinagar National Highway when he was returning to Jammu after unloading essential commodities in the Valley in his truck No. 5411 JK02B. Rendering him unconscious, the mob escaped. A TATA Sumo driver of Udhampur, spotted the driver lying unconscious and shifted him to GMC Jammu where his condition was stated to be very critical. He was struggling between life and death”
(The Daily Excelsior, August 20, 2008).
Incidently Bijbehara is the ’stronghold’ of the Mufti family!
Are the Mufti’s deliberately doing this so that non-muslim truck drivers refuse to carry essential supplies to the valley?
Comment by koul Anil — August 20, 2008 @ 10:42 pm
anil ji…. let me guess wht both of them will say… mehbooba will say we are secular and our people can’t do it….. these type of works are done in jammu… mr lone will copy her….. that is too simple idon’t think that she that she will call KM s’ more or less than secular…
people like mehbooba put duppata on their head to show to the whole world that she is a religious person but the truth is that she hides her neck frm the whole world that was burned by her husband……this is the truth…. and she hides her people who are totally islamic and don’t respect any rel. by calling them secular.i guess she might have got idea from her duppata
Comment by Neha — August 21, 2008 @ 4:09 am
once a child was asked by some one that have u faith on some god ..the child said yes.. person asked on whm he said the name of some god (let it be abc … may b it will hurt some rel feelings)..the person asked him if abc attacks ur contry what will u do…. the child said i ll kill him….
Comment by Neha — August 21, 2008 @ 5:26 am
Neha…
I was wondering if there is a way we can find out what Mehboob’s children think about her stance.
Similarly what the kids of Geelani think about them .
I guess these kids would be studying in India, let us hear from them what they think about such ANTI-NATIONALS.
I wanted to know the opinion about there childrens about how KM’s are treated across INDIA ?
It will be interesting, let media spot them in India and ask there opinion , let us see how there kids think about INDIA …
Media go across India and see the opinion of the KM’s in INDIA , let us see …..
Comment by Vicky — August 21, 2008 @ 6:40 am
VICKY,
good idea … but i feel the result would be same .. their children will say that their mom and dad are fighting for so called aazadi … after all they are sons and daughters of great FRIDOM FRIGHTERS..
Comment by Neha — August 21, 2008 @ 8:55 am
Shivi ….
well u are new here thats for sure …. read a lil literature on that site and you will realise what islam is all about …
now its not that we even need to start …. we have always been the understanding one …
BUT THE TIMES ARE CHANGING NOW … ITS TIME TO TAKE THE FIGHT TO THE ENEMIES CAMP … THE ENEMY IS ISLAM …. AND BY SHIVA WE WILL FIGHT AND KILL IT …….
we need the citizens of this country to stand up and be counted …
first and foremost thing is to BOOT OUT THE ITALIAN MAFIA GOVERNMENT …
get a nationalist government and work for the abolishment for the ARTICLE 370 next …. no matter what the consequences WE HAVE TO DO IT … BECOZ THESE SERPENTS SHOULD HAVE NO SPECIAL RIGHTS …. WHY THE SHIT SHUD THEY …
also has to be done as a mass movement is the make this country realise that they will be wiped out if they dont understand the gravity of the situation …
THESE PEOPLE SHOW THERE TRUE COLORS ALL THE TIME …. LIVE IN THIS COUNTRY BUT NEVER SAY A WORD AGAINST PAK-SHAITAN OR ISLAMIC TERRORISM …
YESTERDAY there was some bitch moslem whore social worker trying to “JUSTIFY” the ahmedabad blasts for the riots …
NOW THE BLASTS HAVE BEEN ALL OVER THE COUNTRY … WHICH PART HAS NOT HAD IT …
BOMBAY … DELHI .. MALEGAON … VARANASI … JAIPUR … AHMEDABAD … BANGALORE ….
does the whore justify it all for “gujarat riots”
WAKE UP THE CITIZENS OF THIS COUNTRY BEFORE ITS TOO LATE … REMEMBER YOU ARE LIVING WITH A SIMMERING TALIBAN AND AL-QAEDA … GET HOLD OF THEM OR ELSE …
ITS ONLY BECOZ WE ARE IN MAJORITY THAT THEY ARE WAGING PROXY WAR … VERY SOON IT WILL BE CIVIL WAR … JUST A MATTER OF A FEW DECADES …
WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE NOT ABLE TO BREACH INTO THE ARMED FORCES OF THIS COUNTRY AND THE GOVERNMENT …
REMEMBER ENEMY IS ISLAM NOT MOSLEMS …
LIVE AND LET LIVE …
Comment by chandra — August 21, 2008 @ 9:17 am
yes neha and vicky …
these moslems always have the way to justify the evil deeds of there “religious brothers ” …
no matter if its kashmiri terrorists …. taliban … pakistani terrorists … iraqi terrorrists … and yes hamas and hezbollah in palestine and there are so many more ….. and so on ..
dont even think of muftis and geelanis children saying a thing against there pathetic parents …
ek hi thali ke chattte battttee hein …
LIVE AND LET LIVE …
Comment by chandra — August 21, 2008 @ 9:22 am
WHERE ARE THE MEHBOOBA,LONE,ABDULLAH NOW………………………….
2000 labourers (both Hindus and Muslims) including women left Srinagar in State Road Transport Corporation (SRTC) buses on the intervening nights of August 15 and 16 and August 16 and 17 after they were threatened to leave Valley if they wanted to save their lives.
“In different parts of Kashmir valley, non-State subject labourers irrespective of religion are being threatened to leave the Valley and warned of dire consequences if they choose to stay put there”, Vinay Parkash Yadav of Bihar said while talking to the visiting EXCELSIOR Correspondent at Railway Station.
“The contractors, who engaged us in different works came to us and made it clear that we have to leave the Valley to save our lives”, Vinay alongwith Mohd Ismial of Jharkhand, who heaved sigh of relief after reaching Jammu Railway Station this morning, said, adding “under the prevailing situation in Kashmir valley, the stay of non-State subject labourers is fraught with dangers”.
Abdul Rehman of Jharkhand, who had plaster in his hand, said that some people intercepted him near Soura few days back and fractured his hand with an iron rod while warning that non-Kashmiri labourers must leave the Valley. “Hum Dobara Kabhi Kashmir Maian Kaam Ke Liye Nahin Aayenge (we will never come to Kashmir again in search of work)”, fear stricken Parveen Kumar Yadav of Bihar, who managed to escape while being chased by some persons at Rawalpora, said.
“What to talk of the contractors, who took the advantage of the situation and denied payments to us, we were even not spared by the drivers and conductors of the SRTC buses who charged much more than normal fare for shifting us to Jammu”, Chandu Ram Parkash of Jharkhand alleged.
He said that majority of the labourers choose to travel in the night in anticipation to the attacks on them by the Kashmiris in the day time. “Large number of more labourers are also trying to leave Valley as they have been receiving continuous threats for life”, Chandu Ram Parkash, whose co-labourers could not flee alongwith him, said.
The exodus of non-State subject labourers is likely to cause severe set-back to the developmental activities in Kashmir valley as in Jammu and Kashmir the number of local labourers is not much to carry out the development works
SOURCE:DAILY EXCELSIOR
Comment by Ruby bali — August 21, 2008 @ 11:31 am
#Ruby ….
dont even look for support from such people it only shows a sign of helplessness in your own country …
this Kashmir issue will get resolved now … be ready to see blood shed on both side …
BY SHIVA we will tame the kashmiri moslems and enlighten them against there terrorist islam …
join the effort in any way you can … ask your friends to join in … even if its thru blogging that they can help …
LIVE AND LET LIVE …
Comment by chandra — August 21, 2008 @ 11:50 am
In a rare incident, over 4 lakh protesters including children volunteered for Courting arrest in Jammu region on the third day of “Jail Bharo Andolan” defying the curfew restrictions imposed.Police had a tough time as it could not record the arrest of minor boys and girls, some of whom had come to the police stations with nipple and milk bottles in their mouth carried by their mothers in their lap and shoulders.Under law,children under 7 years can’t be arrested & specials jails are required for children in age group 7-12 years and 12- 18 years.
Most of the children, who turned up for the court arrests,shouting ‘Hum Sab Bache Kahaan Chale, Chote Bache Kahaan Chale, Yeh Baal Gopal Kahaan Chale, Yeh Deewane Kahaan Chale, Jail Chale Bhai Jail Chale’,‘Bum Bum Bhole’ and ‘NN Vohra Hai Hai’. In some of the police stations, they scaled walls and entered inside the police stations as the cops had locked the doors of police stations from inside. Many children were dressed as Veer Hanuman, Lord Shiva and were wearing monkey caps to depict themselves as army of Hanuman. Unfazed by the fear of police, the children danced to the tunes of dhols and freely offered themselves for arrests.
After this,when police offered them the drinking water,children refused by saying “Uncle pani se kaam nahin chale ga,chips aur kurkure chaiye”.In many police stations,police was seen holding their heads after children started making noise when their demands for choclate and chips was not met.
However voilence trigerred in the city during protests Protesters torched government buildings including a police post,banks,ATM and continuously clashed with Police and Rapid Action Force (RPF) personnel on the final day of their Courting arrest . People also damaged the property of a BJP Leader at Gandhi Nagar,Jammu.Over 100 people were injured in the day long clashes including some security men also
Comment by Ashwini Jammu — August 21, 2008 @ 11:51 am
Things are *REALLY* now taking serious shape, IMO .
I am wondering if it is BAD Governance or our TOLERANCE is OVER .
Comment by Vicky — August 21, 2008 @ 1:00 pm
the coming generations will look back at this agitation of we people in Jammu with as much pride as we look back upon Struggle for Indian Independence. the Sacrifices wont go waste a the gains wud be manifolds.
Comment by sandhya — August 21, 2008 @ 1:25 pm
Anil,Chandra,Vicky
I am struck by what i have read on the link that Anil had sent.And yes i sure am new to the group.I was stunned to know things about Prophet.But i still cant convince myself that all this is true.It is hard to believe that a man of such deeds is being worshiped blindly.I sure was ignorant about few aspects.But should that push me towards hating Muslims ??? I am rather feeling sorry for them , for having follow such layouts which have been framed by a man at the whim of his own convenience and pleasure.
But tell me one thing , I really wanna know , how do guys think this all will come to an end.Do you think there is something that we all can really do ???? Coz our discussions mere wont do any good.Correct me if i am wrong here.
Thanks.
Comment by Shivi — August 21, 2008 @ 1:31 pm
Shivi,
I am very happy that you have opened your mind to knowledge and knowledge is power in present world no matter what type of knowledge it is:
We are not against MUslims but against ISLAM…..
We have talked about save the world from terrorism by saving muslim from ISLAM…..
It is simple equation
MUSLIM – ISLAM = Human and a peace ful world….
so let us define
OUR enemy is not muslims but ISLAM Fact is muslims have suffered most due to islam
and our weapon is knowledge and quran……
Simple and trust me Knowledge will win…… And muslims will realize that they have problems……
Kuldeep
Comment by Koul Anil — August 21, 2008 @ 1:41 pm
Got clicked earlier
Kuldeep has said and explained it in detail in above posts……
Thanks
Comment by Koul Anil — August 21, 2008 @ 1:43 pm
Do you still want to IGNORE it and let your coming generation pay, we *MUST* start reading history on weekends rather than going for movies/pubs ?
People are watching , get more Indians here .
#Correct me if i am wrong here.
At least we succeeded in bringing awareness in you….
We all were shocked to hear such facts but that is the fact, research more on google.
Comment by Vicky — August 21, 2008 @ 1:47 pm
Sandhya,
We have to make sure that this revolt does not go to waste ….
this renaissance has too continue even after we crush the kashmiri moslems ….
like u can read it in all the blogs here …
the fight is against ISLAM ….
we will not let it go till ISLAM IS CRUSHED EVERYWHERE …
join in to make a difference …
LIVE AND LET LIVE …
Comment by chandra — August 21, 2008 @ 1:53 pm
Vicky,PM,Kuldeep,
good news is we got support from foreigners as well for the forward mail campaign…
two girls one from US and another from UK have joined to spread the word in their own group ….
KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK …
LIVE AND LET LIVE …
Comment by chandra — August 21, 2008 @ 1:58 pm
Compare ISlam to Aids and has spread world wide we have to fight this disease called ISlam…..
I am sure aids kills less number of people that that are killed by ISLAM…….
Deaths due to ISLAM are here on this site:
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
Can someone find deaths due to AIDS and post it here will be great…..
So we can compare which is bad ISLAM or Aids….
Anil
Comment by koul Anil — August 21, 2008 @ 2:35 pm
dear friends ,
Please mention your current place of stay so that the jammuties are boosted by the support they are recieving nationally and internationally through this blog
Comment by Ashwini Jammu — August 21, 2008 @ 2:49 pm
Wow….
Look we are being watched here
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
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Demystified Myths -Jammu Agitation (The Kashmir)
Three common assumptions about the Muslim-Hindu conflict are debunked.
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Comment by Vicky — August 21, 2008 @ 2:59 pm
Pune
I am Kashmiri-Pandit ….. you called us lolley once
Ashwani , yes you are being watched .. right now IGNORED by Govt but how long
Comeon you have been fighting from last 2 months now for a cause, the cause being NATION/HONOR/ANTI-INDIAN ….
Do you still call us lolley ?
Comment by Vicky — August 21, 2008 @ 3:05 pm
THIS IS NICE THAT PEOPLE HAVE STARTED UNDERSTANDING ISLAM,THANKS TO THE INTERNET
Comment by Ashwini Jammu — August 21, 2008 @ 3:15 pm
ashwini were u aware of islam before visiting this site?
Comment by Neha — August 21, 2008 @ 3:19 pm
@ Neha
Yeah,I have passed my childhood in Srinagar,Rajouri,Poonch- I know them all—Although Rajouri ,Poonch is better,kashmiris are the worst
Comment by Ashwini Jammu — August 21, 2008 @ 3:23 pm
hey does any 1 knows about this fact that in pakistan if a women is raped she has to produce 4 eye witnesses and if she is unable to produce …. it would be presumed that she has commited adultry and i m not sure but i think she would be killed by throwing stones on her…. isn’t it barbaric
Comment by Neha — August 21, 2008 @ 3:26 pm
mind ur language ….. i m a kashmiri….
Comment by Neha — August 21, 2008 @ 3:27 pm
@ Neha,
I am also Raina Dear…..By Kashmiris i mean kashmiri muslims , since pandits are out
Comment by Ashwini Jammu — August 21, 2008 @ 3:36 pm
u should have mentioned it clearly…..
Comment by Neha — August 21, 2008 @ 3:42 pm
@ Neha,
Sorry Dear..If I hurt you,
Anyways…..ALL OF US MUST READ THIS ARTICLE ,INCLUDING MUSLIMS ALSO ,published on rediff
http://www.rediff.com/news/2008/aug/19guest1.htm
Comment by Ashwini Jammu — August 21, 2008 @ 3:59 pm
don’t mind but please don’t call me dear.
Comment by Neha — August 21, 2008 @ 4:30 pm
Some of you had asked if there are any books available as soft copy. Here is a nice book
http://www.islamundressed.com/
This is the detailed book about quran and ISLAM …. take time read it as a novel with interest…..
happy reading
Anil
Comment by koul Anil — August 21, 2008 @ 5:30 pm
I was amazed at the comment by muslim guy : at
http://thekashmir.wordpress.com/2006/09/10/kashmiri-pandits-frightened-pigeons-and-forsaken-community/#comments
Read the comment:
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babar said, on September 30th, 2006 at 1:08 am
India in 100years will be under Islamic rule…mark my words.
Hindu/Sikh/Jain women will be ours…none of ur men all of ur women.
Nizam-e-rasool is what we aspire inshallah.
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The above is a real muslim Guy who follows ISLAM……..
Nizan-erasool the way of quran/muhammad……..
Muhamad has told them to do this and it is legal in their quran……
To Kill the men of other faith and use there women for sex or Trade…..
Muhamad did it who will stop his beleivers who follow his footsteps……
Save Muslims from ISLAM……… and World from MUSLIMS………..
Anil
Comment by koul Anil — August 21, 2008 @ 7:58 pm
Great job all the knowledge is pouring from all sides….. Looks like muslim world is shaking read this
http://www.hizb.org.uk/hizb/resources/leaflets/leaflet-the-case-for-political-unity.html
Ashok
Comment by ASHOK Bhat — August 21, 2008 @ 9:00 pm
Ashok
#Great job all the knowledge is pouring from all sides
This is to wake people, understand that history can repeat….
We are surrounded by Islamics …..
Comment by Vicky — August 21, 2008 @ 9:14 pm
We have a history
http://voi.org/books/tlmr/
Comment by Vicky — August 21, 2008 @ 9:34 pm
Look at this…. We hindus change with time and technology But ISLAM stays in 14th century……
http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?pagename=IslamOnline-English-Ask_Scholar/FatwaE/FatwaE&cid=1119503545892
The only technology the want is guns and bombs and now computers etc….. What Is the contribution of ISLAM in technology and Science…… BIG ZERO……..
Have Fun reading
Anil
Comment by koul Anil — August 21, 2008 @ 11:01 pm
i just watched this video…. it is more than 1 hour but worth it explains the quran and muhamad very well……
you will understand what world understands about islam please see it and put it every where u can…. it is important
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-871902797772997781&hl=en
kuldeep
Comment by Kuldeep Trisal — August 22, 2008 @ 2:20 am
Circulate it to whole world quran explained by Muslims and u will understand the why problem in India in Kashmir or even in the world
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-871902797772997781&hl=en
Kuldeep
Comment by Kuldeep Trisal — August 22, 2008 @ 2:29 am
Just saw the justification bY yasin malick check the video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEFXXGWFIiw
See the muslim Brain…
Comment by Koul Anil — August 22, 2008 @ 4:14 am
which person put zakir nair video here watch his true colors……
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bxk5AAA5FbI&feature=related
Call those who were teaching to wrong side of islam to us watch…… the video and listed what the same zakir says….
Kuldeep
Comment by Kuldeep Trisal — August 22, 2008 @ 4:18 am
neha this is especially for u and david and others watch the above video…. and where is david and the other guy…….
ThIs Islam is the curse on earth,,,
Kuldeep
Comment by Kuldeep Trisal — August 22, 2008 @ 4:20 am
Special priveleges being given to muslims (at largely Hindu taxpayer expense) such as scholarships and funding of their educational institutions – benefits not available to Hindus – is accelerating the decline in the share of Hindu population.
Shrinking Hindu families? Blame it on spiralling schooling bill
(Please also see Please http://indiannotion.com/index.php/newslinks/18769 AP Govt to pay Rs 30,000 fee of 20,000 Muslim engg students – muslim MBBS students will be paid 50,000 rupees a year )
School expenses excluding tuition fees have risen from Rs. 25,000 in 2000 to Rs. 65,000 per annum in 2008 and that too on one child. While the annual income on an average of well-off parents have risen not by more than 28 to 30 per cent during the period.
A recent industry chamber ASSOCHAM survey has come up with alarming findings on the prospect of education in India and its impact on national demography. The scope of the survey was only to understand the economics of educating the children but, based on the views expressed by a cross section of well-to-do parents, it has inferred that parents strictly opt for single child as a device to keep the family budget under control. The study is both interesting and startling.
The phenomenal increase in the cost of schooling the children has forced affluent families to opt for one child norm in India. While families voluntarily following single child norm is good news in an over-populated country like India trying hard to keep population under check, its implication has a sinister and dangerous aspect as it is applicable only to Hindus.
In a political milieu where minority children are getting all kinds of incentives in education and reservation in jobs, the unbearable burden of schooling becomes an existential problem for the majority community. The study says large cities including metros have the same story to tell.
A Hindu student with 95 plus marks cannot get admission here but a Christian student with less than 50 per cent marks is admitted and more than fifty per cent of the seats are reserved for the community. The case is similar—be it Aligarh Muslim University or Jamia Milia. All these institutions are more conscious about their brand name. How can an institution that admits students only on communal basis qualify for secular tag?
Tragically, in Hindu-run institutions Hindu students don’t get either the preference or concessions because of religion. The survey says that school costs have risen at more than double the rate of inflation and come amid warnings to parents to plan early for their child’s education.
Comment by Ashwini Jammu — August 22, 2008 @ 7:37 am
Look how hard it is to answer this
http://david4ever.wordpress.com/2008/08/14/spread-peace-globally-2/#comment-14
We were INDIAN’s first so we left the valley and moved to India. If these guys are PAKISTANI first then they also could do it, why are they not doing it ?
I am sure there agitation will be heard by WORLD from PAKISTAN and they will get support from PAKISTAN .
Comment by Vicky — August 22, 2008 @ 12:07 pm
i was shocked after going thru the link http://www.faithfreedom.org/ all muslims should read in it and join any other religion.
Comment by sandhya — August 22, 2008 @ 2:33 pm
sandya,
Finally you are awaken !!!!
do you understand where is the problem now , it is around you ?
So we can run away from it , it is every where
MUSLIMS-ISLAM=HUMAN
Read this
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=MjUyOWJkNTMyOGJjZjdiNzQzOGQ1MDk3MWMwOWU3MGU
btw, our problem is radial muslims and not the muslim , just start observing around and if possible start educating them .
Comment by Vicky — August 22, 2008 @ 2:45 pm
i never wnted to say these words …but now i really feel that islam is a curse…. it goes beyond my imagination… i was blaming buslims as i thought they have interpreted their religious text in a wrong way… but i was wrong… i always avoided reading about islam as i find this really very boring.. but this video has opened my eyes… till now i was having confusion over the relity of islam … but now it is crystal clear to me..
thanks kuldeep jee
neha
Comment by Neha — August 22, 2008 @ 2:59 pm
We have crossed 47000 Hits on the web site but we need people to comment also…. Hats off to Our ladies they are doing great in talking about the issues……
We are open to hear, open to criticism…. Please come and teach us right thing if after reading all the above you thing we and world is wrong…….
We are open and welcome you with our heart… especially the muslims whose suffering we can see has been for centuries………
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-871902797772997781&hl=en
Thanks for being the silent readers….. But we would like u to comment at least few lines……… All the people who write…. Hats off that u have thrown off the garb of being politically correct and have accepted the truth and facts about ISLAM……
Happy watching and enjoy reading…..
Knowledge is power that grows by giving……. Spread it around….
Kashmir Zinda bad
Kuldeep
Comment by Kuldeep Trisal — August 22, 2008 @ 3:31 pm
Jai Mata Di !
Jai Mata Di!!!
Zor Se Bolo Jai Mata Di !!!
Sare Bolo Jai Mata Di !!!!
Comment by Animesh — August 22, 2008 @ 4:59 pm
JAI MATA DI …
LIVE AND LET LIVE …
Comment by chandra — August 23, 2008 @ 1:08 am
TIME & AGAIN i m requesting all HINDU ppl that please do not waste your time energy on these ppl like muslim .They are dumb & knuckle brain ppl, they will never understand peace, humanisation, live & let live,coexistions.THEY just belive in DARUL E HARAB,& till THESE DARUL E HARAB exist they keep on killing ppl (KAFIRS) ie us. so what alternative is left for us.That is fight openly with them, when we will start showing them no mercy in each & every aspect of our life.Where they will go. WE musst have to rise now,we must have to forget our small petty diffrences & rise, to fight for our right. Now we must bring our goverment to ABSOLUTE POWER, & CHANGE THE TOTAL CONSTITUTION ACCORDING TO OUR NEED. QUOTE: ALL MUSLIM ARE NOT TERORIST BUT ALL TERORIST ARE MUSLIM. JAI HIND…….. VANDE MATRAM
Comment by vid123 — August 23, 2008 @ 8:20 am
Vid123
Just go through this
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-871902797772997781
The fight is against TERRORISM and not the MUSLIMS .
Looks at the Muslims in Europe/US/India , they are not followers of barbaric ISLAM which was laid by Muhammad .
But yes Muslims like Geelani/mehbooba etc should be taught lessons, we should socially BOYCOTT such social elements …
Vid, just try to talk to the Muslims you know and findout there opinion.
I am sure you will find patriotic muslims too .
I think we should go and try to find truth about HOLY Kuran before concluding anything.
Find out what what there in the HOLY KURAN before the Muhammad.
JAI HIND …. VANDE MATRAM
Comment by Vicky — August 23, 2008 @ 9:12 am
This time the entire country is on war with KM’s, where are there Jihad brothers from ISLAM(PAKISTAN,Europe etc)
Why are they now coming in front and fighting with us ?
If such agitations would have happen prior 9/11 they would have declared war against India , they cannot do anything now.
So guys our situation is stronger, but our internal system is getting rotted.
We have to AWAKE, we are safe because of US as they had taken a lead again terrorism.
Think …..
Comment by Vicky — August 23, 2008 @ 9:25 am
vicky, as per per your kind knoledge across world in europe/ uk/usa/ you name the contry & they are against local ppl. I have many muslim business friends but when ever the talk on HINDU RIGHT they just talk about secularism & where ever they live in more numubers ie in ghetto condition. They will not belive in indian constitution they just belive in sharia law & DARUL E HARAB ie till any non islam beliver either they get convert to islam or perish ie get killed . Mr. vicky are you aware that in HIDUSTAN not single OUR MOST SACRED WORSHIPING PLACE ie SHRI RAM WRITTEN by Mr. jalan Matari, who him self is MUSLIM & at the time of partition he was left behind by his family in HINDUSTAN after growing in young age he went back to PAKISTAN & then he understood diffrance between two contris & comes back. pls refer site” faith freedom .org. jai hind . vande matram
Comment by vid123 — August 23, 2008 @ 10:40 am
Vicky …
I am not really sure about the distinction between ISLAM … MOSLEMS …. MOSLEMS IN INDIA … AND MOSLEMS OUTSIDE …
the fact is in India they have been subdued after british came and after India got its independence … though “THEY HAVE EQUAL RIGHTS IN ALL RESPECT TO ANY INDIAN UNDER LAW”
NOW I REALLY AM PROUD OF THE REAL INDIANS WHO DID NOT “CONVERT TO ISLAM” UNDER THE MOGHUL RULE … even when there where mass genocide …
INDIAN MOSLEMS ARE ACTUALLY THE WEAKER ONES AMONG US WHO DECIDED TO CONVERT UNDER THE PRESSURE …
I MEAN THERE ARE OTHER MINORITIES AS WELL IN INDIA AS CHRISTIANS ….THERE MAY BE ACTS AGAINST THEIR CLERGY FOR CAUSING CONVERSIONS “” WHICH IS A VERY WELL KNOWN FACT “” … but CHRISTIANS IN OTHER MATTERS NEVER CRY LIKE MOSLEM CRY BABIES AS BEING OPPRESED AND MISTREATED …
OFF COURSE NOBODY WANTS TO LIVE NEAR A MOSLEM BECAUSE THEY ARE DIRTY PEOPLE INSIDE … TRY TO ACT AS IF THEY OWN THE PLACE WHEREVER THEY GO … WILL NOT ABIDE BY THE RULES … AND SO ON … WHO WANTS SUCH GARBAGE IN ITS FOLD ??
that is one reason…. THAT MAJORITY OF THEM ARE NOT ABLE TO STAND AS EQUALS IN THE SOCIETY NOW … BECAUSE THEY HAVE NO KING LEFT TO PROMOTE ISLAM AND THAT INDIAN STATE IS GOVERNED BY LAW … NOT ABSURD PISS BE UPON IT SHARIA …
that is perhaps one reason that if u go to a moslem dominated areas “anywhere in India”…. you may very well find people cheering for pak-shaitan against India say in a cricket match … and its a well known fact …
WE MAY CHOOSE TO CLOSE OUR EYES AND PRETEND TO IGNORE SUCH THINGS BUT THIS IS VERY TRUE …
SO ITS TIME TO “OPEN UP OUR EYES AND FACE THE REALITY AND STOP BEING NAIVE AND GULLIBLE ”
no moslem is a peaceful moslem… THEY ONLY PRETEND TO BE PEACEFUL IF THEY FEEL SUBDUED IN ANY WAY ….
THE FACT THAT MOSLEMS IN INDIA DO NOT OPENLY SUPPORT JIHAD IS BECAUSE THEY KNOW THAT INDIANS DO NOT TRUST THEM FOR A PENNY …. and if they start to do such things openly there will be uproar in this country ….
INDIANS KNOW THEIR REAL COLOR AND HAVE KNOWN IT AT A GREAT COST …
I FEEL WE NEED TO UNDERTAKE SOME RESEARCH ON “HOW MANY BOMB BLASTS HAVE THERE BEEN IN INDIA BY ISLAMIST TERRORISTS AND HOW MANY PEOPLE HAVE LOST THERE LIVES ” …
NO BLAST IS POSSIBLE WITHOUT THE COLLUSION OF THE INDIAN MOSLEMS ESPECIALLY IF THEY ARE CONDUCTED BY ORGANISATIONS LIKE SIMI …
i will never trust a moslem … i may decide to have peace … but “I WILL NEVER TRUST THEIR INTENTIONS”
LIVE AND LET LIVE …
Comment by chandra — August 23, 2008 @ 10:55 am
In India not only Kashmir but every state was ruled by a king. ‘Quit Kashmir’ movement is a nonsense just like what Raj Thackeray says – “Maharashra is for Maharashtrians”. Article 370 is a stab on the back of the Indian nation by the Muslim appeasing leaders of India. How can a Kashmiri buy property in any part of India while a non Kashmiri cannot buy property in Kashmir? How can Kashmiris settle anywhere in India while non Kashmiri’s cannot settle in Kashmir. It is simply against the spirit of equality. How could Kashmiri muslims claim that the state is only for muslims, when historically all of India was Hindu and the Indian muslims are either converts from Hinduism who were converted forcibly or the descendants of Arabs/Persians/Turks?
Comment by ASHU SHIVPURI, JAMMU — August 23, 2008 @ 12:09 pm
How come almost all of the commentators with Muslim names continue to condone Kashmiri Muslims’ complete disregard of humane values? They are, of course, joined in this exercise by legions of their ‘pseudo-secular Hindu’ counterparts. As if ethnic cleansing of Kashmiri Pandits was not sufficient to prove that Kashmiri political movement is led by fascist Islamists; denial of land to erect temporary facilities for the Yatris has once again proved Kashmiri bigots can get away with anything and everything. How come most of India (and the world) is yet to be told about the plight of 100s of thousands of Kashmiri minorities who were forced to leave their hearths by Pakistan-backed Islamist terrorists and equally-intolerant Kashmir Valley masses. Why did not inspired any such articles by the likes of Najeeb Mubarki? And why this effort to communalise the Jammu movement? There has been almost no communal clashes and Jammu Muslims have supported the movement to restore some parity between Valley and other J&K regions
Comment by deepak shah, pune — August 23, 2008 @ 12:27 pm
Its baffling how secular society is actually encouraging people in Kashmir valley to burn the national flag
What we have witnessed in the Kashmir Vally over the past few days has clearly brought to the fore the total failure of the Congress-led Centre in containing the handful of separatists who were languishing in Srinagar. The Pakistan sponsored anti-Indian Hurriyat leader, Sayyed Ali Shah Gilani,the most hardcore of the lot, minced no words in proclaiming in front of mammoth crowd in Srinagar that he is a “Pakistani Gilani”. Other Hurriyat leaders have come out openly to challenge the authority of the Centre and state governments. Terms like “you Indians”, “your government”, “your Army” are openly thrown about, even on the so-called “national” TV channels of India.
The scenes emerging from the valley are reminiscent of the partition days when the Muslim League divided the sub-continent on the basis of the two-nation theory. The saving grace was Sardar Patel’s far-sighted vision, which led to Jammu and Kashmir remaining an integral part of India.
The ongoing agitation of the SASS has acquired a pan-Indian dimension and has become a fight against secessionism. It is a struggle to weed out the anti-Indian pschye that had been allowed to flourish for over 60 years by pseudo-secular politicians. Article 370 of the Constitution of India, since its inception, has abetted the separatist mindset of the pro-Pak elements in Kashmir valley. Congress leaders at the helm of affairs in New Delhi saw it as an instrument to appease their vote bank. The close proximity of Nehru with the then leader of Kashmir Plebiscite Front and later Chief Minister of Jammu and Kashmir, Sheikh Abdullah, ensured a tacit understanding between New Delhi and the valley on a number of issues including maintaining a distance from rest of India.
A close look at the resolution passed by the Kashmir Plibescite Front on April 7, 1957 will reveal the acute anti-India stance of Sheikh Abdullah. On August 20, 1953, a joint Press communiqué issued between the Prime Ministers of India and Pakistan, minced no words in stating that “The most feasible method of ascertaining the wishes of the people(of J&K) is by fair and impartial plibescite”.
It is Article 370 which restricts the Indian State from exercising complete control over Jammu and Kashmir. That is why the Hurriyat opposed the state cabinet’s earlier decision to give a plot of only 39-hectares of forest land at Baltal to erect makeshift accommodation for Amarnath pilgrims and that too for only two months against payment of a huge rent.
It created so much discontent in the minds of separatists that the coalition government fell. While bowing out, Ghulam Nabi Azad was heard saying that his coalition partner, the People’s Democratic Party (PDP), was in the payroll of “separatists”. If that is so, then why did the Congress enter into a coalition with the PDP in the first place?
The Centre, which had earlier distanced itself from this thorny issue saying that it was a “state matter”, could easily have handed over the land to the Amarnath Shrine Board after clamping President’s rule. Instead, it deliberately allowed the Kashmir valley people to spread their lies and propaganda. The “blockade” bogey was bogus. Yet, against all evidence to the contrary, the Delhi-based TV channels mechanically parroted the Hurriyat’s claims about “medicines and baby milk powder” being “denied” to the people of Kashmir. If a blockade was really in force, then how the Hurriyat leaders get petrol for their cars? Why didn’t the Centre, which never loses an opportunity to pamper pro-Pakistan elements, fly supplies to Srinagar?
Once again, our pseudo-secular media must take the blame for fuelling anti-India feelings among the Kashmiris. Also played its dirty part in fuelling the separatists’ cause. Day in and day out, the channels reported the Amarnath agitation news in such a way that it was made to appear that the land dispute was a ruse invented by the “communalists” in Jammu. This was picked up by the Pakistan as proof enough of the justifiability of the separatists’ cause and they went ahead and internationalised the whole issue.
The separatists now claim that Kashmir is azad and the common Kashmiri Muslim has been roped in the name of Islam and Kashmiriyat .The Centre’s deliberate silence is making things worse. The Congress-dominated UPA fears that they might loose Muslim votes if they don’t take sides with the separatists.
This is more or less a repeat of the 1989 situation when the Rajiv Gandhi and VP Singh governments maintained total silence as thousands of Kashmiri pandits were forced to leave their ancestral homes to save themselves from murder and rape at the hands of jihadis from Pakistan.
Last month, we celebrated the 107th birth anniversary of one of modern India’s greatest sons, Dr. Shyama Prasad Mukerjee. He had resigned from the Jawaharlal Nehru cabinet to take to the streets to fight the secessionist designs of the Kashmiri leadership. In 1953, he went up to Srinagar defying the then-prevailing permit system and urged the people of the country to stand unitedly. He gave a clarion call that India is one from Kashmir to Kanyakumari and that Jammu and Kashmir is an integral part of India where a separate flag, a separate constitution and a separate Chief Executive can never be allowed.
Today, India once again needs to be reminded about the values of patriotism. It is only through patriotic zeal that we can keep this country united.
Comment by deepak shah, pune — August 23, 2008 @ 12:34 pm
Deepak,
dont expect anything from the media …
they are mostly under foreign influence now in one way or the other …
congs are the real culprits here …. they are really a very poor party when it comes to PATRIOTISM….
and they have been pretty successful in taking majority of gullible Indians for a ride ….
BUT ITS TIME TO RISE and PUT BJP INTO POWER WITH THE REQUIRED NUMBERS AND THEN LET THE SHOW BEGIN IN KASHMIR …
that is what India needs right now … but under that rule stupid people in the Bajrang Dal and other such will have to be controlled … nothing should take away the freedom of people in expressing love ….
India cannot be made another afghanistan like state … as some stupid ignorant people do many a times …
ANYONE WHO COMES TO THIS SITE AND IS APPALLED BY THE STATE OF AFFAIRS IN OUR VERY OWN COUNTRY AGAINST THE FEELINGS OF HINDUS …
PLEASE VOTE FOR YOUR RIGHTS THIS TIME … DONT JUST SIT IN THE COMFORT OF YOUR HOMES … COME OUT AND VOTE FOR BJP .. BRING NATIONALIST GOVERNMENT AT CENTRE ….
LIVE AND LET LIVE …
Comment by chandra — August 23, 2008 @ 1:03 pm
am i the last man standing here ??
LIVE AND LET LIVE …
Comment by chandra — August 23, 2008 @ 4:10 pm
GOVT SLEEPING……COUNTRY WEEPING….ITALIAN ENJOYING
This is today,s incident at Poonch( A BORDER TOWN OF J&K,FALLING IN JAMMU PROVINCE)..which despite its less Hindu population was supporting the Sangarsh Simiti by taking out processions…
Yesterday evening(22 Aug),after a group clash at mandi,announcements started in poonch through the mosques and people travelling in vehicles for all muslims to gather at prade ground poonch.
A huge rally started from parade ground (one end of main market ) and started looting the shops (which were closed due to bandh call of muslims) .After looting the shops they burnt them by throwing petrol .
This continued for 2 hours untill half of the main bazaar was put to fire,selectively shops of Hindus and few sikhs.
Main features of this vandalism were:
1.All this was pre planned , it was announced a day before through the cars,police didnt sense the gravity of situation and impose the cerfew beforehand.
2.D.C Poonch did not call the army to control the mob.
3. Mob was moving in the form of a regulated procession,selectively burning shop after shop, POLICE WAS ALSO ACCOMPANYING THE MOB ,made no effort to stop it by using cane charge or teargass.
4.Hindus were simply sitting in their homes due to Bandh, later came to know about their shops and properties,started gathering in Main market,SP Poonch reached the spot and started firing in air and teargassing to disperse the people whose properties were vandalised.
HAD THE HINDUS BURNT THE PROPERTIES OF MUSLIMS,ALL THE HR COMMISSIONS WOULD HAVE COME SHOUTING,ALL THE MUSLIMS WOULD HAVE BEEN SHOUTING”ISLAM KHATRE MEIN HAI “BUT WHAT TO SAY OF SECULAR GOVTS ..STILL SLEEPING .
ALL THE ADMINISTRATION IN THIS COUNTRY IS IN HANDS OF DUMB FOOLS,IDOTS AND GOONS…GOD SAVE THIS COUNTRY
Comment by ashwini Jammu — August 23, 2008 @ 5:13 pm
Chandra,
I am not sure if BJP really will be able to abolist 370 after coming in power, remember there were in power earlier and they did not try it .
Yes I agree with Deepak on this
##It is only through patriotic zeal that we can keep this country united.
We need to think of the media channel which can speak just truth for the sake of INDIAN/HUMANITY/PATRIOTS/MUSLIMS ….
Think on this ……
Comment by Vicky — August 23, 2008 @ 5:16 pm
Vicky…
there was too much pressure on the BJP …..
dont forget it had …not sure but some 13 to 23 allies …. and crazily NC was a part of it … it was really impossible to get that passed without actually loosing there power …
its hard to come to consensus among friends … this is Indian politics …
AND NO PARTY EVER WANTS TO LOOSE POWER … BCOZ THATS MONEY …
but still I THINK THEY NEED TO BE GIVEN MORE CHANCES …. any BJP GOVN IS 10 TIMES BETTER THAN TRAITOR CONGRESS …
CONGRESS IS A SHAMEFUL PARTY … WHICH CANT EVEN FIND AN INDIAN TO LEAD ITSELF???
HOW CAN IT GOVERN THE COUNTRY ??
AND THEY ALL SWEAR ON THE ITALIAN PUSSY … I DONT KNOW SHE BLOWS THEM OR WHAT ….
…
so BJP disappoints at times …. but its because we believe they are some GOD SENT people which they really are not …but there is no reason why they should not be given a better chance …
but i dont think they can do it till they have simple majority in the parliament …
so we should try to achieve that …
LIVE AND LET LIVE …
Comment by chandra — August 23, 2008 @ 6:02 pm
This congress is bull shit and ass of a mule,why it celebrates,nehru’s,gandhi’s,indira’s,rajiv’s Birthday and deathday.
What about 100’s of freedom fighters like Netaji Bose,Shaheed Bhagat singh,Jhansi Ki Rani and thousands more who laid their lives for freedom so that these sons of Shit could rule the country
Comment by ashwini Jammu — August 23, 2008 @ 6:51 pm
I am surprised muslim women in India could do that…….. read the article below…..
http://www.thesudburystar.com/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=1170032
What do u think they can mold the ISLAM… YES OR NO……
anil
Comment by Koul Anil — August 23, 2008 @ 6:57 pm
##I am surprised muslim women in India could do that…….. read the article below…..
After understand the ISLAM I think they can only do this in INDIA/US/UK….
Do you understand the democracy now, she would have not dared to do this in ISLAMIC country ….
Why this is not covered by Media, it is a great reform?
#What do u think they can mold the ISLAM… YES OR NO……
YES ( in India atleast) .
Comment by Vicky — August 23, 2008 @ 7:13 pm
Vicky Answer is NO……. India or any where answer is NO……. Here is the reason….
REFORMING ISLAM IS IMPOSSIBLE. ISLAM IS LIKE A BRITTLE STONE. YOU CAN’T MOLD IT BUT YOU CAN SMASH IT INTO PIECES AND PULVERIZE IT. MUSLIMS ARE AWARE OF THE VULNERABILITY AND THAT IS WHY THEY ARE SO INTOLERANT OF CRITICISM.
ISLAM IS LIKE A TALL BUILDING, ERECTED ON QUICKSAND; ONCE YOU EXPOSE ITS FOUNDATION, THE SAND WILL WASH AWAY AND THE MIGHTY EDIFICE WILL FALL UNDER ITS OWN WEIGHT.
WHEN ALI SINA WAS ASKED WHETHER ISLAM HAS FUTURE, HIS RESPONSE WAS: “YES! IT BELONGS IN THE DUSTBIN OF HISTORY”
above words are words from Ali Sina the author of book understanding Muhammad…..
Does this answer question vicky…..
Anil
Comment by Koul Anil — August 23, 2008 @ 7:44 pm
watch this must watch movie FITNA…..
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/020472.php
Please see the relation between quran and actions of terrorists…..
Save the world and save muslim from the ISLAM……
Great job Anil….. I am Impressed with what you have learned and are helping others understand….
Keep up good work Vicky neha Jammu and alll……
This war will continue till we have been able to take ISLAM from muslim and make him human……
Kuldeep
Comment by Kuldeep Trisal — August 23, 2008 @ 7:48 pm
#Does this answer question vicky…..
Yes , but look at the ways muslims in india do critisize Islam(very few)
They show it by there actions
1) Muslim girls wearing western dresses
2) Mulslim girls marrying non-muslim men
I am optimistic about india , yes radicals will never change because they follow what you stated .
I think we need to understand HOLY QURAN was before Mahummad ….
btw, anil were you aware of the facts before this blog ?
Comment by Vicky — August 23, 2008 @ 8:16 pm
why i say in India because I spoke to one of my friend few days back about he Mahumads marriage with Alisha ……
I was surprised to see that he did not know, i will pass him the faithfreedom.com and hear more from him.
PS: I am trying to understand the behavior of Indian Muslims … I am in process of understanding them now
Comment by Vicky — August 23, 2008 @ 8:19 pm
Vicky…. who said holy quran existed before… muhammad…. That is wrong….
Quran is dictated by Mumahhad during his life saying that God Allah has told him so…..
Islam/quran is the creation of muhammad…..
Read more
Kuldeep
Comment by Kuldeep Trisal — August 23, 2008 @ 8:26 pm
#Islam/quran is the creation of muhammad…..
Oh I see …..
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/020472.php
How inhumane they can be …. they are animals ..
Hats off to Jews/Americians , we must learn from them.
Comment by Vicky — August 23, 2008 @ 8:57 pm
It is very important to treat muslims with love and kindness……
And tech them what is ISLAM……..
Muslims have suffered most………. and need to be liberated from the clutches of ISLAM……
Love them and feel pity for them as they donot know what they have been dying for all along…..
MUSLIM – ISLAM = Peaceful Human………..
Read, listen, watch and encourage others to do the same……….. whether muslim or not……
we all need thsi knowledge………
Thanks to one and all here………
I am personally never for violence….. it only gives wounds and does not heal them……. why should we ever act like muhammad……. Let us be humans and spend our time in educating ….. as knowledge is power…..
Comment by Kuldeep Trisal — August 23, 2008 @ 10:27 pm
Please look through this blog….. It is highly informative especially about how Islam ….. came to our country and the names of places it came through…….
Is it time for TIT FOR TAT…… Can we go and take our land and pride back from these barbarians…..
http://rajivmalhotra.sulekha.com/blog/post/2001/12/how-gandhara-became-kandahar.htm
Thanks
Ashok
Comment by Ashok — August 24, 2008 @ 2:14 am
Look at this
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Indian_Mujahideen_threatens_new_round_of_attacks_/articleshow/3397811.cms
We have enemy everywhere, nation is sleeping.
Comment by Vicky — August 24, 2008 @ 3:38 am
Was browsing around…. and found this very interesting….. Please read below
http://www.islam-watch.org/ExMuslims/Why-I-want-to-leave-Islam.htm
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Why I want to leave Islam
by Anonymous
20 Aug, 2008
From the forum:
Below are a list of reason why I would like to leave Islam:
1. That my religion’s founder called women, “a toy” (Tuffaha, Ahmad Zaky, Al-Mar’ah wal-Islam, Dar al-Kitab al-Lubnani, Beirut, first edition, 1985, p. 180)
2. That my religion forces my sister and mother to wear a burka, long sleeved shirt (and maybe even a jacket to which I have seen women have to wear!) even in 120 degree weather
3. That even if my sister and mother do wear this crap, they still are groped, pinched, harassed and even raped!
4. That my dad can beat my mother and not even be asked about it (Ibn-Kathir, “a man must not be asked why he beat his wife.” -sura 4:34)
5. That my dad can force my mother to be in her room as long as he wants:
6. That my sister’s and mother’s testimony automatically means one half a man’s testimony just because they are women! (sura 2:11)
7. That my own clerics defend the rape of non-muslim women by muslim men CALLING IT THE FAULT OF THE WOMEN!
8. That my own leaders will SAY THEY ARE FOR PEACE BUT WHEN THEY GET BACK TO THEIR OWN COUNTRY, THEY WILL PROMOTE BLOODSHED AGAINST NON-MUSLIMS:
9. That my god was the pagan moon-god of the Arabians
10. That my founder married a 6 year old girl
11. That whenever truth is brought out about my founder, my own people will threaten to kill those who are bringing out the truth
12. That my fellow-believer (who are restaurant and pastry owners) are putting crap in their food when they sell it to non-muslims
13. That my fellow-believers can throw gasoline upon a woman (even if she steps outside the house and talks to a man!) set her ablaze AND CALL IT AN “HONOR KILLING!”:
14. That many of my clerics around the world are calling for bloodshed against the non-Muslim
15. That my own holy book condones war against the non-muslim
16. That those who deny my holy book condones war against the non-muslim are “watering down” my holy book just to make it say something they want it or not want it to say
17. That those who “water down” my holy book matters well do that to the whole koran
18. That my holy book says god “leads those who he will” and “misleads those who he will.”
19. That Saudi textbooks call Christians “swine” and Jews “condemnable” AFTER MY OWN LEADERS TRY TO APPEASE THEM TO THEIR FACES HAVING A DOUBLE-STANDARD!
20. That my leaders will keep blaming Israel and the US for it’s own troubles!
21. That sexual intercourse is ONLY for the man, and not the woman (contemporary Muslim commentator)
22. That my mom has to please my dad at all times in order for her to enter paradise (Hadith no. ii, 60)
23. That although women outnumber men in hell, she MAY be able to slip into paradise ONLY if she is totally obedient, and TOTALLY pleasing to her husband at the time of her death.
24. That it is said, “When a woman comes she comes in the form of a devil.” (Hadith no. 3240).
25. That it is said, “The support of the woman (nafaaqa) is obligatory on the man in return for the woman being locked up in the man’s house, and for being exclusively his.” (‘Abd ar-Rahman al-Gaziri, al-Fiqh ‘ala al-Mazahibib al-Arba’a, Dar al-Kutub al-’EElmeyah, 1990, vol. 4, pg. 495.)
26. THAT A MAN HAS THE RIGHT TO PREVENT HIS WIFE FROM CARING FOR HER CHILD FROM A PREVIOUS MARRIAGE (“The husband has the right to prevent his wife form looking after and breast feeding her baby, from her previous husband, (if she was living in the husband’s house), because that will make her too busy to attend to the husband, and it will affect her beauty and cleanliness, all these are the rights of the husband alone.” (Hanafites.–’Abd ar-Rahman al-Gaziri, 1990, vol. 4., p. 488.)
27. That when Islamists complain about how “they are treated” in other countries, in their own countries they burn churches, kidnap non-Muslim women, persecute them and even kill them if they convert from Islam calling it “honor killing” (like, the guy in Saudi Arabia–never prosecuted for cutting out his daughter’s tongue and brutally killing her.
28. That “Honor killings” are not prosecuted even if it’s a Muslim daughter or wife.
Comment by Koul Anil — August 24, 2008 @ 5:17 am
*******News On Jihad Watch********
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/022341.php#comments
Friends world has started to listen to us we are being noticed. For the ones who are active on this site this is a “BIG WIN”.
I would again request and encourage to all like minded let’s start the techno. war on Jihad.
“Happy Janamashtmi”
Comment by Voice Of Jammu — August 24, 2008 @ 6:51 am
Why Mohammed was not a prophet:
One who claims to be a messenger of God is expected to live a saintly life. He must not be given to lust, he must not be a sexual pervert, and he must not be a rapist, a highway robber, a war criminal, a mass murderer or an assassin. One who claims to be a messenger of God must have a superior character. He must stand above the vices of the people of his time. Yet Muhammad’s life is that of a gangster godfather. He raided merchant caravans, looted innocent people, massacred entire male populations and enslaved the women and children. He raped the women captured in war after killing their husbands and told his followers that it is okay to have sex with their captives and their “right hand possessions” (Quran 33:50) He assassinated those who criticized him and executed them when he came to power and became de facto despot of Arabia. Muhammad was bereft of human compassion. He was an obsessed man with his dreams of grandiosity and could not forgive those who stood in his way. Muhammad was a narcissist like Hitler, Saddam or Stalin. He was astute and knew how to manipulate people, but his emotional intelligence was less evolved than that of a 6-year-old child. He simply could not feel the pain of others. He brutally massacred thousands of innocent people and pillaged their wealth. His ambitions were big and as a narcissist he honestly believed he is entitled to do as he pleased and commit all sorts of crimes and his evil deeds are justified.
Read this to get enlightened ….
http://www.apostatesofislam.com/
LIVE AND LET LIVE …
Comment by chandra — August 24, 2008 @ 10:15 am
since childhood i used to think tht why there is no telivision progrm about muslim god… but now it is clear to me that if some director or producer made a prog over islam …. def.. that prog would be banned because the progrm will then just contain prophet mohmd and his 28or 29 wives …. then about her 6 year old bride..and the position of womens in islam….and in reality nothing good… this is really worth not showing the whle world….so thats why no tv prog was ever made on muslim god..
Comment by Neha — August 24, 2008 @ 12:41 pm
Neha,
thats a very insightful analysis ….
LIVE AND LET LIVE …
Comment by chandra — August 24, 2008 @ 1:14 pm
In fact I remeber there was some serial produced in India long back, it was about Christianity but some facts were revealed about Mahummad…
It was banned … Now I understand why ?
Neha, look how your outlook had been changed after knowing the facts
Comment by Vicky — August 24, 2008 @ 4:37 pm
Attacks on minority Hindus continued in Poonch(J&K India),Temples and Houses attacked,shops burnt…
Ancestors of these muslims were saved by local hindus in 1947 during the partition of India,at that time they were 2% of population of poonch.
With the passage of time,Hindus slowly migrated to more progressive places all over the India where as Muslims from the villages puchased properties at poonch with massive funding from gulf countries.
Further they have dozens of children to increase the population.So the demography of Poonch has changed with about 50% Muslims and have started attacking Hindus…
.Where is the Bloody shit Manmohan Gadha Singh now? If he talks about minorities,then why not about Hindu minorities of J&K which are suffering in hands of Muslims……..
Matter of fact is that the Con-grass party since its origin was in lust for Power & S*X.
Do you Know that Nehru died of A STD(Sexually Transmitted Disease),his relations with Lady Mountbatten are well known…
Indira s relations with her Husband were also not coordial……
Now Sonia has kept dummies like MM sing,SR Patil,Antony on all the key posts so that no stumbling stone is left on the way of Rahul gandhi becoming a PrimeMinister in the next Govt(if it is CON-grass)
All the Powerful Leaders of congress have either died or have been expelled from congrass which is now left with either eunuchs like Singh,Patil or bunch of fools like Lalu ,Palu,Shibbu Soren etc…
This country has to be saved from these
Comment by Deepak Shah — August 26, 2008 @ 8:20 am
As I m not able to post the link here,Click on my name to read the news paper details on how hindus of Poonch are targetted
Comment by Deepak Shah — August 26, 2008 @ 8:25 am
@ Deepak
yes, i mfrom udhampur and we have few muslim families here but not a single of them has been harmed in any way. i too was shocked to read todat that in Poonch at Sunderbani and Mandi, they are daily thrashing Hindus and destroying their property. Now where are those champions of secularism? why congress spokespersons jayanti natrajan and manish tiwari keeping silence? And that barkha Dutt? she just wants to increse TRP of her programs by being pro-islam and anti-jammu. In her last programme,she didnot even invite any jammuists or BJP representative. I know she is married to a Muslim. Shouldnt we start a crusade ro stop our females from marrying these pigs.
Comment by sandhya — August 26, 2008 @ 10:08 am
it is rightly said NIP THE EVIL IN THE BUD,KASH GANDHI NE IN SAB KO JANE DIYA HOTA,AAJ YE DIN INDIA MEIN DEPHNA NE PADHTA
i have also linked my name with with the news,
You can click on my name to read the paper
Comment by Ashwini Jammu — August 26, 2008 @ 11:51 am
hello KP brothers & sisters,
hats of to you guys ” Koul Anil, Neha, Ashwini, Vicky, Kuldeep……………and others i missed to mention”, you are doing a great job on this forum, i was always visiting this forum but i was not commenting, but today i wanted to comment.
i want to salute our armed forces and my KP people all over india, i also pray for the soul of fallen hero Col Thomas, who is form my city (Bangalore) died fighting terrorists in kashmir, may his soul rest in peace. (we had live broadcast of gun salute and cremation in karnataka). kashmiri muslims have to answer this. without there shelter and logistics terrorist cant come in.
i read a comment from KM on this forum that kashmir is supplying electricity to whole of north india, is it true?
what i see from some comments of KM that they have made up their mind of merging kashmir with porkistan, porkisthan is biggest beggar in world.
these KM lick Hindu boot when they are in minority, when they become mojority they catch heads and speak about sharia.
i am also shocked by the testimonials presented by by Kuldeep, dude you are doing good job, keep it up.
my advise to all the hindu families, go vote in election do not miss this chance to elect the govt we want.
kick congress out!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
hakeem parvezji the last line for you, you have not answered KULDEEP’s question, is that the answer?
bye……………till next
venkat
Comment by venkat — August 26, 2008 @ 2:44 pm
Thanks venkat I dont deserve praises I am talking what ever I have read from Quran and the information around….. I am a peace loving educator…. I will always oppose violence…. I love talks and discussions….
Thanks once again and we would like you to comment your opinion from time to time…. My fingers get tired typing but I have taken this cause for the sake of Humanity and Muslims….. I am also very happy and pleased to say there are many people who have started reading and looking around….
Thanks
Kuldeep
Comment by Kuldeep Trisal — August 26, 2008 @ 3:30 pm
#i also pray for the soul of fallen hero Col Thomas
May his soul rest in peace.
#i read a comment from KM on this forum that kashmir is supplying electricity to whole of #north india, is it true?
I am not aware of it, I think goggling should confirm it if it is true.
Peace
Comment by Vicky — August 26, 2008 @ 5:02 pm
For KM who said Jagmohan had told us to leave valley
http://www.kashmiri-pandit.org/projectr3/survivorstories.php?sid=0
What was out mistake here ????
Comment by Vicky — August 26, 2008 @ 7:02 pm
Watch this !!!!
‘zuv chum braman ghar ghasha”…..[I am pining to go back to my home]
They will not understand.
Peace.
Comment by Vicky — August 26, 2008 @ 7:05 pm
Kuldeep
I think we need to understand difference between shai/sunni
http://atheism.about.com/library/FAQs/islam/countries/bl_OmanIslamShia.htm
Looks to me the interpretation of the Quran by Shai is proper……
Let us hear from others too .
I have personally met few shia and I find them HUMAN , I guess most of the KM’s are sunni
We must make sure that we understand Ali too.
It is becoming interesting now.
Comment by Vicky — August 26, 2008 @ 7:48 pm
Hey Vicky… Looking and reading the above site Brought tears to my eyes…….
God whom am I trying to teach Humanity……
read this I dont know what to say:
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What is my greatest problem in the Valley?
“When you kill one person, you go to the prison. When you kill one hundred persons, you are a hero. And when you are responsible for the killings of hundreds of persons you are invited to peace talks.”
My father a petty shopkeeper was picked up from our home, within minutes hanged to death in the precincts of our house in presence of my mother, sister and brother with no charge, rhyme or reason. Neighbouring elderly Muslim women came to console us. Some of them said that it was God’s will. Not an insect can be killed unless Allah wills. There were tears in the eyes of a few girls, my class mates, but when one of them told me to forget the dark past and rejoice in the new faith I was greatly hurt. She told me this while the dead body was still hanging from our walnut tree in front of our house. I was shown a Muslim neighbour elder to me 10 or 15 years to be my husband.
BSF by chance suspected something wrong as they saw hundreds of men, women and children running to our house. BSF helped us to move to Jammu. In Jammu I pin-pointed names of all those who mercilessly eliminated my dearest father but all in vain. Kashmir is 100% Islamised now. If I return to my home in the valley someday, how shall I feel when I face the same people who proved so cruel and barbaric and easily escaped any punishment even the formality of being questioned.
(Name withheld), Resident of District Badgam, J&K, India.
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MUSLIMS IS this what you are talking about love to KAshmiri Pandits. Shame on u and ur parentage……. Shame on ISLAM and its creators……
ANIL
Comment by koul Anil — August 26, 2008 @ 7:55 pm
UR MUSLIM BROTHER IS TALKING MAY BE HE EXPLAINS IT BETTER:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjHtKKp5NXQ
ABOUT CAMEL URINE
Comment by koul Anil — August 27, 2008 @ 4:11 pm
To all the KM’s who want partition, this is a comment published in times of india by a user.
“You are asking a partition based on religion. Third option is widely acceptable. I am not sure what do you meant by “It will cause death and destruction”. Are you threatening 100 crores of people which includes Hindus,Muslims,Christians,Sikh,Jain,Buddhist etc etc… and make their life hell? Too bad and communal buddy…Not good for the nation and for the Islam… And about POK, I dont think pakistanis will allow POK to be independent. I dont see any attempts for that in the other side. No agitation or protest at all. So, what does that mean? This happens in India because you can do whatever you want in a democracy??? See this article below from a columnist. No offense intended, but just a fact:: A Kashmiri Muslim student came to see me last week and it was not long before our conversation turned to the current azadi wave in the valley. He did not think that an independent Kashmir was viable, and its only choice was either to be with India or with Pakistan. After a pause he asked guilelessly, why was India a democracy and Pakistan an autocracy? This set me thinking. I told him that Pakistan was more the norm – Third World countries do not generally become stable democracies. India is an exception. India’s democracy and Pakistan’s autocracy have deep roots in history. India’s nationalist movement was older and more widespread. Millions of ordinary Indians were drawn in by Mahatma Gandhi. Muslim nationalism emerged later and did not become a mass movement – Jinnah was more comfortable in the drawing room rather than the ‘dusty road’. While Indians prepared for democracy over three generations, Pakistanis-to-be got the itch only a couple of years before independence. After independence, Pakistan’s politicians performed abysmally. The Muslim League Party disintegrated; there were nine governments in 10 years and the army under Ayub Khan seized power in 1958. Jinnah’s great error was to impose Urdu as the national language when only 8% of Pakistanis spoke Urdu and 55% spoke Bengali. Thus, he sowed the seeds of Bangladesh. Sri Lanka made the same tragic mistake. India did not succumb to this anti-democratic temptation by imposing Hindi. This is how India gave space for sub-identities to flourish, allowed the rise of peoples’ leaders from linguistic states, and deepened democracy. Although his slogan in the 1945-46 elections in undivided India was ‘Islam is in danger’, Jinnah wanted to build a modern nation. Even though General Zia-ul-Haq reinforced theological priority, i do not believe Islam prevents Pakistan from being democratic. The rise of Islamism does tear the ordinary Pakistani’s loyalty between the brotherhood and the state, but the maulvi is not Pakistan’s natural leader as in Iran. The chief obstacle to democracy is the army. Hence, i am relieved that Musharraf is gone. It does create a vacuum that might be filled by extremists, but in the longer term the best thing for India is to have a democratic Pakistan. For a brief moment in the mid-1970s the two nations seemed to converge. Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto began to steer Pakistan towards genuine democracy while Indira Gandhi took India on the path of dictatorship. The paths diverged after 1977 as Mrs Gandhi called an election and Bhutto was executed by Zia in 1979. India returned to the path of democracy, whose binding glue is the liberal notion that all Indians are equal citizens before the law, owing loyalty to the Constitution. This is a British legacy. Before that we were a collection of communities and kingdoms. Although we still feel loyal to our caste or community, we are different from the tragic Pakistanis whose land has been hijacked by the military. Once there is military rule you get a state within a state. You are powerless to stop your secret service from creating monsters like the Taliban and before you know it your country has become the world’s top university for terrorists. I then turned to my young Kashmiri friend. He wished more Kashmiris could come and see India’s vibrant democracy, its confident economy and the rise of the low-born. “There is a simple choice before all Kashmiris,” he said. “If you want to be a citizen of a modern democracy with unparalleled opportunities, you will choose self-assured India. If you believe that Islam is in danger and you want the army’s protection, you will choose tragic Pakistan.”
bye………..till next
venkat
Comment by venkat — August 28, 2008 @ 7:40 am
i saw this video cant beleive what is in islam…. please watch every one …..
according to ISLAM u can heve sex with ur Daughter under certain condition…. please see the video…. please
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jwbJeRXVGA
Anil
Comment by Koul Anil — August 31, 2008 @ 2:55 am
Ayeesha Ahmad said, on September 4th, 2008 at 2:42 pm
Wondered if u knew about personal Hygiene based on ISLAM, as this is about health check up. Please read it is very long but important, this might help u keep things clean ISLAMIC way….
Use of Islamic Knowledge of Health and Hygiene Is a Must for All Muslims
Ayesah Ahmed
Use of western knowledge is kufr (blasphemy) and its parishioners are apostates and infidels. Only Islamic knowledge of health and hygiene must be used in daily life because Allah has already given that information through Prophet Mohammed for a reason. In Quran he said so many times that he is your role model. Ignoring his sayings is ignoring your deen (religion) punishable with hellfire
The following information is presented for the good health of Muslim umma (believers).
Avoid Sicknesses By Clean Islamic Habbits
HOW TO CLEAN YOURSELF AFTER DEFECATING, THE ISLAMIC WAY
Apostle of God used to clean himself after defecation using only odd number of stones. That is the sunna (examples set by Muhammad). Muslims living in U.S. can go to Home Depot and buy a bag of gravel for this purpose (the used gravel can be good landscaping material).
Bukhari Volume 1, Book 4, Number 163:
Narrated Abu Huraira:
Allah’s Apostle said, ” whoever cleans his private parts with stones should do so with odd numbers. And whoever wakes up from his sleep should wash his hands before putting them in the water for ablution, because nobody knows where his hands were during sleep.”
NEVER USE BONES OR ANIMAL DUNG AFTER DEFECATING
Jinns love to eat bones and dried animal dung. They don’t appreciate the contamination of their favourite delicacy with fecal matter and can pounce on the next guy they find sitting and defecating.
Bukhari Volume 5, Book 58, Number 200:
Narrated Abu Huraira:
That once he was in the, company of the Prophet carrying a water pot for his ablution and for cleaning his private parts. While he was following him carrying it (i.e. the pot), The Prophet said, “Bring me stones in order to clean my private parts, and do not bring any bones or animal dung.”
“What about the bone and the animal dung?” He said, “They are of the food of Jinns. The delegate of Jinns of (the city of) Nasibin came to me–and how nice those Jinns were–and asked me for the remains of the human food. I invoked Allah for them that they would never pass by a bone or animal dung but find food on them.”
HOW TO URINATE
You must keep your right hand clean to hold Quran.
Bukhari Volume 1, Book 4, Number 156:
Narrated Abu Qatada:
The Prophet said, “Whenever anyone of you urinates he should not hold his penis or clean his private parts with his right hand.
WASH YOUR NOSE FROM INSIDE IN THE MORNING
In the morning wash your nose from inside as Satan urinates and defecates inside while spending the night there. Otherwise you will have runny nose all day besides possible nose infections.
Volume 4, Book 54, Number 516:
Narrated Abu Huraira:
The Prophet said, “If anyone of you rouses from sleep and performs the ablution, he should wash his nose by putting water in it and then blowing it out thrice, because Satan has stayed in the upper part of his nose all the night.”
WASH YOUR EARS FROM INSIDE IF YOU WAKE UP LATE
If you wake up late in the morning and miss the fajr prayer, Satan who spends the night in your nose walks out and urinates in your ears. It results in ear infection.
Bukhari Volume 2, Book 21, Number 245:
Narrated ‘Abdullah :
A person was mentioned before the Prophet (p.b.u.h) and he was told that he had kept on sleeping till morning and had not got up for the prayer. The Prophet said, “Satan urinated in is ears.”
Bukhari Volume 4, Book 54, Number 492:
Narrated ‘Abdullah:
It was mentioned before the Prophet that there was a man who slept the night till morning (after sunrise). The Prophet said, “He is a man in whose ears (or ear) Satan had urinated.”
OTHER GOOD HABBITS FOR GOOD HEALTH
Tabari II:99
“Abraham was tested with ten Islamic practices: rinsing the mouth, cleansing nostrils with water, trimming the mustache, using a toothstick, plucking the armpit (ouch), paring nails, washing finger joints, circumcision, shaving pubic hair, and washing the rear and vulva.”
WOMEN MUST BE SHAVED
A shaved woman makes a tired husband after a long journey very happy.
Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 173:
Narrated Jabir bin ‘Abdullah:
The Prophet said, “If you enter (your town) at night (after coming from a journey), do not enter upon your family till the woman whose husband was absent (from the house) shaves her pubic hair .”
WOMEN MUST BE CIRCUMCISED
Circumcision keeps a woman from doing hanky panky thus protecting her from hellfire.
Sunan Abu Dawud Book 41, Number 5251:
Narrated Umm Atiyyah al-Ansariyyah:
A woman used to perform circumcision in Medina . The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said to her: Do not cut severely as that is better for a woman and more desirable for a husband.
MENSTRUATION IS ILLNESS WHICH CAN BE CURED BY FONDLING
Mens
Comment by vid123 — September 5, 2008 @ 11:53 am
please again again i m requesting do not waste your worthy time on watching all types of bitch, bastards, who doesnot have any better news, then hurting hindu sentiments may it be Shriamarnath or ShriRamsethu or ShriRamjanmabhoomi or ShriKrishnajanmabhoomi or ShriKashivishvanathbhoomi or thousands of razed HinduShrines across INDIA PAKISTAN BANGLADESH AFGHANISTAN. FOR kind awareness to all my HINDU brothers & sisters, are you aware that non of the mark my words that non of our BHAGWAN JANMBHOOMI is in our hand. All this sacred worship places,,, ON WHICH MASJID ARE STANDING.HIstory will repeat it self when ALL HINDUS WILL AWAKE & RISE FOR THERE RIGHT.No body is going to come to change the scene we only have to rise for our RIGHT.Now i donot belive in making understand that how we fill.WE DO NOT NEED TO JUSTIFY OUR SELF. This the time for DIRECT ACTION. NOTHING LESS WILL DO EXCEPT, HINDU NATION, HINDURAJ. And most important is who ever, repeat who ever DO NO AGREE THEY SHOULD BE KICKED OUT OUR ONLY HINDU NATION. Now next step should be appointing our HINDU GOVERMENT WITH TAG OF ONLY HINDU NATION . Quote: ALL MUSLIM ARE NOT TERORIST BUT ALL TERORIST ARE MUSLIM. AND we should not forget damm kennth haywood who is still under scrutiny of ATS , they have not given him clean chit.This also shows involvement of UPA CONGRESS SP RJD
Comment by vid123 — September 5, 2008 @ 2:11 pm
Latest Offerings from the Religion of Peace
“He who fights that Islam should be superior fights in Allah’s cause”
9/5/2008 (Pattani, Thailand) – Two Buddhists are shot to death by militant Muslims in separate drive-by attacks.
9/5/2008 (Yala, Thailand) – A man mourning beside his brother’s grave at a cemetary is murdered by Muslim extremists.
9/4/2008 (Mosul, Iraq) – A 12-year-old child and a woman are among four Iraqis murdered by Sunni terrorists.
9/4/2008 (Narathiwat, Thailand) – Islamsts gun down an orchard worker.
9/3/2008 (Sahiwal, Pakistan) – A 17-year-old girl is shot to death by her father and brother for seeking a divorce after being forcibly married at 9.
9/3/2008 (Mogadishu, Somalia) – Two civilians are killed during an ambush by Islamic militia.
Comment by chandra — September 6, 2008 @ 7:34 pm
cant india hit back at hurriyat? these guys preach separatism and hold pak flags
isnt it enough to charge them? and their procession are not peaceful as well
it would have been a different meaning if ALL of kashmir wanted freedom ie including pandits as well . but they made them ran away. thats where they hav lost it.
its not kashmir but kashmri muslims-its not the state but the community.
when india demanded freedom it was ALL india not a single community.
jinnah for his political ambitions made this blunder by creating a shithole(mind u in initial days he was the most secular-if u ve read abt him!!!).this fukistan is now just a jehadi factory-no economy,no value for women,no place of common man,no future.
my plan for kashmir(gettin too ambitious i think)
1.FUCK HURRIYAT
2.SCRAP ARTICLE 370
3.STRINGENT LAWS just for eg-any person carrying arms other than security personnel gets life term without questioning
4.make kashmir like any other state
religious fanatism can be curbed – best eg punjab
although difficult for kashmir bcoz islam is much more fascist than sikhism
i ve nothing against any religion
religion is just a path to reach your GOD
not a path for having 72 virgins in jannat
i guess if thats true allah is the divinest of gods(its crazy – how can a person with just even average IQ believe that
what say you secular kashmiris???
Comment by tarun popli — September 9, 2008 @ 6:46 pm
LIST OF THE TEMPLES DESTROYED BY MUSLIM-JIHADIS-FANATICS IN KASHMIR
TAPER TEMPLES
Sikandar the iconoclast desecrated and destroyed this temple which was built by Queen of Partapaditya II who reigned in Kashmir from 634 to 648 A.D. Zain-Ul-Abdin (1420-70) A.D. used stones and idols in the construction of Bund from the Naidkhal to Sopore.
SHANKARACHARYA MANDIR (SRINAGAR)
Noor Jehan, Queen of Jahangir, built the grand Mosque known as Pather Masjid (Srinagar) with the sculptured beautiful stones which formed steps of the mandir right from River Jhelum to the top of the hill.
NARPARISTHAN MANDIR (SRINAGAR)
Built by Likhana-Naraindraditya who reigned Kashmir from 178 to 191 A.D. has been turned into a Muslim ziarat called Narparisthan.
KALI MANDIR (SRINAGAR)
Qutab-Ud-din usurped it (1373-89) A.D. to be converted into a mosque in memory of Mir Syed Ali of Hamdan of Persia who had come to the Valley to establish Islam. Hindu King Pravarsena ll. had dedicated the Kali-Shrine to the Goddess Kali (79-139 A.D.).
MAHASHRI MANDIR (SRINAGAR)
It was turned into a graveyard, Wife of Sikander was buried in its interior.
SKANDA BHAWAN (SRINAGAR Downtown)
Its sacred springs and massive temple construction desecrated and spoilt, it was christened as Ziarat of Pir Mohd. Basur.
TRIBHAWANA-SVAMIN (SRINAGAR Downtown)
This temple built by Chadrapida (684 to 693 A.D.) was laid to ruins and its vast vicinity used as graveyard.
KSHANA-GANVISHVARA
Built in (950-58 A.D.) was desecrated. Its sculptured stones removed. DIDDA- MATHA (Srinagar downtown) Temple converted into Tomb of Malik Sahib.
VIKRAMISHVERA (VICHARNAG)
Built (521-63 A.D.) It was destroyed by Sikander. Material utilized to built a mosque nearby.
AMRITA BHAWANA
Constructed by Queen Magavahana (22 B.C -13 A.D.) There are other ruins of Hindu temples in its vicinity which have been converted into Ziarats and burial grounds and nothing is known about their antiquity.
RANESHVARA (SHALIMAR GARDEN)
Built by King Ramadatiya (414-74 A.D)
On the North Eastern corner of the Dal Lake, Pravarsena II, the founder of Srinagar had built a Villa for a Hindu saint named Sukarna Swami. Bernier, who visited Kashmir with Aurangzeb, gives an interesting account of the garden in his travels and says that the doors and pillars made of stone were used in the garden during Mughal era had come from some of the idol temples demolished by Shah Jehan and that it was impossible to estimate their value.
MARTAND
Built by King Ramadeva (2936-3005 B.C) with large ornamented and beautifully carved stones erecting it to the height of 50 yards. Regarding this British Researcher Sir Walter Lawrence has remarked thus:
While the old Hindu buildings defy time and weather, the Musalman shrines and mosques crumbled away. Other foreign travelers have recorded that Hindu temples were built to endure for all time. Their solidity of construction and their gigantic size strike one with wonder that puny man could have built them. They often gazed upon them with amazement and lamented bigoted Muslim fanatics who laid them to ruins with tremendous efforts.
TEMPLE OF BUZMA
It was usurped and converted into the Ziarat of Baba Bamdin. Another temple close by was turned into the tomb of Rukh Din, disciple of Muslim Priest Bamdin.
SHRINES AROUND DAL LAKE
The slopes of the mountains overlooking the Dal lake have adorned many ancient shrines mercilessly destroyed by bigoted Muslim fanatics.
SHARDA UNIVERSITY & ACADEMY OF LEARNING (VIJAISHORI, now BIJBEHARA)
Sir Walter Lawrence records in his ”Vale of Kashmir” that all books of Hindu learning which bigoted Muslims could lay their hands on were sunk in the Dal lake and Sikander flattered himself that he had extirpated Hinduism from the Valley. Alberuni an Arab scholar recording his visit to Kashmir has stated that in all their grandeur the Hindus of Kashmir never slackened in their ardent desire of doing that which was good and right. He also records they were men of noble sentiments and noble bearing. Books of science, astronomy, space travel, medicine and the like were destroyed – The labor of countless ages and countless researchers.
We quote here under from world famous work of Mr. M. A. Stein:
Rajtarangini – Kalhana (Volume II)
Moti Lal Banarsidass Publishers Pvt. Ltd.
Delhi, Reprint 1989
HILL OF SARIKA
Eastern slopes of the latter are now occupied by extensive buildings connected with famous ziarats of Maqaddam Sahib and Akhun Mullah Shah. It is probable that Mohammadan shrines have taken here place of Hindu religious buildings, just as at so many old sites of Kashmir.
Close to the foot of the southern extremity of the hill is a rock which has from ancient times received worship as an embodiment of Ganesa under the name of BHIMASVAMIN…… In fact, if we are to believe Jonaraja, the rock image has changed its position yet a second time. This chronicler relates that BHIMASVAMIN from disgust at the iconoclasm of Sikander Butshikan had finally turned his back on city.
Page 446, para 95
TEMPLE OF SIVA PRAVARESVAPA
A short distance to the S. E. to the BHIMASVAMIN rock and outside Akbar’s fortress, lies Ziarat of Baha-ud-din Sahib, built undoubtedly with the materials of an ancient temple. The cemetery which surrounds it contains also many ancient remains in its tombs and walls. At the S.W. corner of this cemetery rises a ruined gateway, built of stone blocks of remarkable size, and still of considerable height. This structure is traditionally believed by the Srinagar Pandits to have belonged to the Temple of SIVA PRAVARESVARA which Kalahana mentions as the first Shrine erected by PRAVARESVARA in his new capital.
…… Blocks majoring up to sixteen feet in length, with a width and thickness equally imposing, were no convenient materials for the builders of Muhammadan Ziarats, hammams etc. who have otherwise done so much to efface the remains of ancient structures in Srinagar. The position of the ruins is very central and might have well been chosen by the founder of Pravarapura for prominent shrine in his new city.
POSITION OF RAMASVAMIN TEMPLE
Not far from Baha-ud-din Sahib’s Ziarat, to the S.W. stands Jami Masjid, the greatest Mosque of Srinagar. Around it numerous ancient remains attest the former exist- ence of Hindu Temples. Proceeding still further to S.W, in the midst of a thickly built city-quarter, we reach an ancient shrine which has remained in a comparatively fair state of preservation probably owing to its conversion into a ziarat. It is now supposed to mark the resting – place of the saint styled Pir Haji Mohammed. It consists of an octagonal cellar of which high basement and the side walls are sill- preserved. The quadrangular court in which it stands is enclosed by ancient walls and approached by or ornamented gateways. The position of this shrine has suggested me its possible identity with the ancient temple of VISNU RANASVAMIN which Kalhana mentions as founded by Ranaditya.This temple must have enjoyed considerable celebrity up to a comparatively late period. Mankha refers to it an object of his father’s devotion, and Jonaraja in his comments on the passage speaks of VISNU RANASVAMIN as one of the chief shrines of Pravarapura. The evidence on which the suggested identification is based has been fully indicated in note iii.453.
Page 447, para 96
SKANDABHAVANA
The site of vihara has been traced by me in the close vicinity of Ziarat Pir Muhammad Basur. Certain ancient remains there were locally known and worshipped till the middle of the present century as a tirth sacred to Skanda. Near the SKANDABHAVANVIHARA there stood once the temple of Sivaparavaguptesvara referred to by Kalhana as a foundation of King Paravagupta. Page 448, Para 97
SAMUDRAMATHA
A little higher up, if we can trust local tradition, stood the ancient temple of VARDHAMANESA mentioned already in King SAMDHIMAT’S reign. The site so designated by the purohits of the adjoining mohalla is close to the Malyar ghat. I have referred already in a previous note to the curious manner in which an ancient linga supposed to be that of VARDHAMANESA was recovered a few years ago from a neighbouring mosque and a Mahatmaya composed for the newly established shrine.
Page 450 Para 99
JUSKAPURA
A tradition recorded already by General Cunninghum identifies this place (Zukur) with ancient JUSKAPURA. Kalhana names the place as a foundation of Turuska (i.e Kusana ) King Juska who also built Vihara there. The Muhammadan shrines and tombs of the village contain considerable remains of the ancient buildings. Page 456, Para 104
AMARESVARA
On the shore of the Anchar lies the large village of Amburher. It took its name from a temple of Siva Amaresvara which Suryamati, Ananta’s queen, endowed with Agraharas and a matha.The ancient slabs and sculptured fragments which I found in 1895 in and around the ziarat of Farrukhzad Sahib, may possibly have belonged to this temple.
Page 456,457 Para 104
VICHARNAG
It is held be a manifestation of Ailapattra Nag who is mentioned also in Nilamata. An earlier designation seems to be MUKAMULAKANAGA which is given to the locality by Srivara and in the Tirthasamgraha. To the west of village and near an inlet of Anchar are the ruins of three ancient temples now converted into ziarats and tombs.
TIRTHA OF SODARA
Close to the mosque of Sodarbal and by the lake shore are two pools fed by perennial springs. These according to local tradition, were in old times visited by numerous piligrims. Now all recollection of this tirtha has been lost among the Brahmins of Srinagar. But a name of the portion of the village area, Battapor, points to a former settlement of Battas or Purohits. It is curious too that we find only half a mile from the village the ziarat of Hazatbal, perhaps the most popular of all muhammadan shrines in the valley. It is supposed to be built over the remains of the miracle-working Pir Dastagir Sahib. Is it possible that the presence of the rather ubiquitous saint at this particular spot had something to do with the earlier Hindu Tirtha?
Page 457, Para 104
PADMAPURA
The chief place of Vihi Pargana is now the town of Pampar, the ancient Padmapura, about 4 miles south west of Khunmoh. It was founded in the beginning of 9th century by Padma, the powerful uncle of puppet King Cippata/Jayapida. Padma is said by the chronicle to have also built a temple of Visnu-Padmasvamin. To this may possibly have belonged the scanty remains of an ancient temple which have been described by General Cunningham. Close by is the Ziarat of Mir Muhammad Hamadani with some fine ancient columns and ornamented slabs which are likely to have been taken from the temple. Also other Ziarats of the town show similar remains.
SANARA
Only a mile to the south east of Khruv is the village of Sar, until recently the seat of flourishing iron-industry, Kalhana mentions it by the name of Sanara as an Agrahara founded by King Sacinara——. The Ziarat of Khwaja Khizar which stands here near small springs is built with the remains of the Hindu Temple. Page 459, Para 105
About two miles south-west of Sar are found the well preserved ruins of a temple near the village Ladu (not marked on survey map). They have been described by Bishop Cowie, but I am unable to trace any old reference to this shrine in the texts I have examined. It is remarkable for having a circular cellar, the only one known to me in Kashmir. A small square cellar to the east of this temple has been annexed to a neighbouring Ziarat.
Page 459-60, Para 105
CAKRADHARA
It was once the site of one of the oldest and most famous shrines of the volley, the temple of Visnu Cakradhara…. The plateau is still as TSAKDAR UDAR…. The shrine of Cakaradhara is often mentioned as Tirtha of great sanctity. The temple seems to have been subsequently restored, and Jonaraja mentions the statue of CAKRADHARA among those chief divine images which Sikandar Butshikan destroyed.
Page 461-62, Para 107
TEMPLE OF SIVA VIJAYESVARA
The old Linga of Siva Vijayesvara seems to have been destroyed by Sikander Butshikast.
Page 464, Para 109
DISTRICT OF VAMAPARSVA
It forms the modern Pargana of Khovurpor. An old site is undoubtedly the large village of Hutmar. Its modern name seems to identify it with the SAKTAMATA which Ksemendra names as one of the stations in peregrinations of his heroin Kankali. The chief mosque of the place is built with the remains of a Hindu temple and preserves in its walls some sculptured fragments of remarkable beauty.
SHRINE OF BHIMAKESAVA
About a mile below Hutmar and on the bank of a branch of Lider lies the hamlet of Bumzu which contains an ancient structure of considerable historical interest. The Ziarat of Baba Bamdin Sahib is nothing but a well preserved resting place of a Muhammadan saint.
Page 465, Para 110
TEMPLE OF MARTANDA
The ancient remains at the sacred spring itself are very scanty. All the more imposing are the ruins of the great temple which King Lalitaditya erected at a short distance of the presiding deity of the tirtha. The destruction of the sacred image is ascribed to Sikander Butshikast.
Page 166, Para 111
SAMANGASA
About four miles to the north east of Kother and on a branch of Arpath river lies the populous village of Sangas, the ancient Samagasa……… some old carved slabs built into the chief Ziarat of the place attest its antiquity.
Page 467,468, Para 112
DISTRICT OF KARALA
In the lower portion of the district and on the left bank of Visoka, we have the ancient Katimuso, the present village of Kaimuh. The place Is mentloned by Kalhana as Agrahara, founded by Tunjina I, and contains some old remains built into its chief Ziarat.
Page 471, Para 116
PARIHASAPURA
It has received its name from the ancient Parihasapura which King Lilitaditya had built as his captal. The identity of the names Parspor and Parihasapura is evident on phonetic grounds, and was well known to the authors of the Persian abstracts of Rajatarangini. Yet curiously enough the site of Parihasapura had remained unidentified until I visited the spot in 1892 and traced the ruins of Lalitaditya’s great structures as described by Kalhana on the Plateau known as Paraspor Udar.
The full destruction of the temples is attributed by Abu-l-fazal and the Muhammadan chroniclers to Sikandar Butshikast.
Page 477 and 478, Para 121
VARAHAMULA
Varahamula, situated on the right river bank, has left its name to the present town of Varahmul, usually called Baramulla by Punjabis and other foreigners. The ancient temple of Varaha which seems to have been one of the most famous shrines of Kashmir, is repeatedly mentioned by Kalhana. According to the tradition of the local Purohits it stood near the site of the present Kotithirtha, at the western extemity of the town and close to the river bank. Some ancient Lingas and sculptures found at Kotitirtha may have originally belonged to the temple. The destruction of its sacred image is noted by Jonaraja in the reign of Sikandar Butshikast.
Page 482-483, Para 124
After India achieved freedom and Kashmir acceded to Union of India, temple desecration was resumed. Temple lands, cremation grounds etc. of Hindus were usurped for expansion of Islam. The famous Bhairavnath Temple of Chattabal, Srinagar was got locked through police. The judicial case pending in court concerning this temple was never allowed to be decided. Precious lands around Hari Parbat hill, Durganag Temple of Srinagar and lands at several Hindu placcs of worship in the valley were slowly and steadily turned into lands under occupation of Muslim trusts (Maqboozai-Ahali-Islam). In 1967 Shivala Temple, Chotta Bazar, Srinagar was desecrated. Again in 1984 Shri Hanuman Temple at Hari Singh High Street was damaged and in the same year Arya Samaj Temple of Wazir Bagh, Srinagar was burnt. From 1986 the law and order situation in the valley deteriorated day by day and temple desecration became order of the day.
Comment by NIMESH — September 17, 2008 @ 10:18 am
Temples desecrated, damaged or destroyed from 1987 to 1990
1. Sri Puran Raja Bhairo at Hawal, Srinagar (completely burnt).
2. Vamdev Mandir, Hari Parbhat (completely burnt).
3. Kathlishwar Mandir, Zaindar mohalla, Srinagar (partly damaged).
4. Gouri Shankar Mandir, Kani-Kadal (damaged).
5. Somyar Mandir, Habba Kaddal Shopping Complex completely burnt.
6. Shiv Mandir, Shetalnath, Srinagar (burnt)
7. Shiv Mandir, Malapora, Srinagar (burnt)
8. Sheelputri Asthapan, Mandir Baramulla (burnt).
9. Gautam Nag Mandir, Anantnag. Attacks have been frequent.
10. Raghunath Mandir, Anantnag. Attacks have been frequent.
11. Tikipora Mandir, Kupwara.
12. Sri Lakshmi Narayan Mandir, Bulbul Lankar Srinagar. Ancient priceless idol removed by breaking one of the Temple walls.
13. Temple at Shopian with four buildings and shopping complex burnt. The Mahant at Napli mercilessly beaten, a south Indian Sadhu assisting the Mahant asked to kill a cow. Pine, walnut, apple, kikar and popular trees spread over 18 kanals of temple land to a great extent destroyed. The Sadhu identitied some people of Danda Mohalla mainly one Hassan Dand and Kuda Dand leading the mob besides Jamait-Islami workers on the carnage.
14. Idols in Batayar Shiv Mandir desecrated.
15. Holy spring with Shiva idol desecrated at Khrew resulting in Hindu Muslim conflict in the village.
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Temples desecrated and damaged in Kashmir from 1990 – Dec.1992
1. DASHNAMI AKHARA, SRINAGAR
On the opposite side of shopping complex of Aukaf Building, housing library, R. Room and an office of Jamait-Islami lies the age old Akhara in Budshah Chowk, Srinagar. The temple in the Akhara is surrounded by three storied shopping-cum-hotel-cum-office complex on three sides. There is a beautiful park in the premises, dharamshallas for Sadhus, residence of the Mahant etc. The Akhara has provided a vast area to Suraj Transport company for Godowns and parking space on rent. The Akhara has been chronic eyesore to the Jamait-Islami. lt was attacked countless times but in early 1990 mobs forced entry into the premises causing a devastating fire, and loss of property in crores in godowns and a portion of Mahant’s residence. C.R.P.F suffered heavy injuries protecting the temple.
2. GANPATYAR TEMPLE, SRINAGAR
Ganpatyar has been attracting mob attacks right from 1953. Alaska episode, Satanic Verses, Zia’s death, fall of East Pakistan, defeat of Pakistan in cricket etc. have been the causes. From the onset of insurgency it was stoned, attacked by bomb blasts and rockets at various occasions but CRPF in one of its Dharamshallas saved the shrine at great cost.
3. RAGHUNATH MANDIR, SRINAGAR
The school caught fire when the Dhramshalla of the temple was set on fire in early 1990 while worshipping in the Temple was forbidden. However the worshipers refused to stop worshipping, the premises were set on fire and arsoned.
4. SHIV TEMPLE, JAWAHAR NAGAR, SRINAGAR
The property in the Dharamshalla was brought out along with some Puja material and idols from the Temple; some removed and some consigned to flames.
5. HANUMAN MANDIR, SRINAGAR
Desecrated long before the start of insurgency which necessitated round the clock CRPF guard. The massive Panchamukhi Hunuman Ji idol suffered some damage in early 1990.
6. SHIV TEMPLE, BARBAR SHAH, SRINAGAR
It was desecrated a number of times. What is desecrated is not safe. Desecration itself is a henious sacrilege.
7. JAI DEVI TEMPLE, BIJBEHARA
Desecrated idols stoned, compound wall broken in 1986.
8. VIJESHWAR TEMPLE, BIJBEHARA
Night soil was thrown on 10 Shiv Lings inside the Temple in 1986, compound wall broken.
9. SHIV MANDIR, BIJBEHARA
Ancient idols valued over Rs. 10 Lakhs in the shrine were looted in 1986.
10. RAGHUNATH MANDIR, ANANTNAG
According to Mahant Sukhram and other sources mostly Muslims, it suffered 9 bomb attacks, 7 blasts. Refer FIR No. 307/427 dated 9-1-91 (Police station, Anantnag).
11. GAUTAM NAGH TEMPLE, ANANTNAG
The double storey Temple 60×40 was burnt to ashes in presence of Homeguards personnel, property loss was estimated to the tune of Rs. 28 Lakhs leaving aside priceless ancient manuscripts in Sanskrit and Shardha. The orchard on 145 canals of land with thirty thousand fruit trees was mercilessly attacked by fanatical mobs leaving hardly three thousand trees to survive.
12. THREE TEMPLES OF LUKHBHAVAN, LARKIPURA, ANANTNAG
Damaged in 1986. Subsequently repaired. Dharamshalla burnt, temple suffered some damage again in 1992.
13. WANPOH MANDIR, ANANTNAG
Damaged in 1986. Subsequently repaired. The idols have been desecrated publicly in respect of this shrine on 21-2-1992 according to sources.
14. SHAILPUTRI TEMPLE, BARAMULLA
Damaged in 1990.
15. DAYALGAM MANDIR, ANANTNAG
It was stoned heavily but somehow not razed to the ground.
16. BHARAVNATH MANDIR, BARAMULLA
Damaged in 1990.
17. BHARAVNATH MANDIR, SOPORE
Desecrated and damaged.
18. RUPABHAVANI MANDIR, VASAKURA
Idols, Ashram utensils removed. Night soil thrown on the steps in early 1990 a dozen times. Protesting Hindus of the vicinity mercilessly beaten.
19. KHIRBHAVANI MANDIR, GANDERBAL
According to B.G.Verghese ”Its origin goes to epic times. The security forces in its precincts attracted rocket attacks on April 4,1991, which chipped some concrete off the outer gate. It again came under attack on May 4. Bullet marks can be seen on the other structures”.
20. SHIV TEMPLE, GANDERBAL
Desecrated and damaged.
21. MATTAN TEMPLE, ANANTNAG
A mob entered the premises, after Nimaz claiming it to be a muslim shrine.
State Minister for home Sh. M. M. Jacob told the Lok Sabha on 12-3-1993 that 38 places of worship were damaged in J&K State, 13 in 1989, 9 in 1990 and 16 in 1991.
Report of Sh. Sukh Ram Dass, Deputy Mahant, Gautamnag Ashram
One Sh. Sukh Ram Dass, Deputy Mahant, Gautamnag Ashram is also incharge of the Raghunath mandir of Anantnag, Kashmir. He was kidnapped by Muslim insurgents on 6-3-1991, mercilessly beaten during his protracted interrogation. A date was fixed for executing him. He, however, managed his miraculous escape.
Goutamnag is an aeons-old shrine. Swami Sarawanand meditated here for sixty long years during Maharaja Partap Singh’s and Hari Singh’s rule. He had made a big pond called ”Lotus Lake”. The lotus which grew here were of course more fascinating and awe-inspiring than those in the famed Dal Lake and Manasbal lake of Kashmir.
The shrine has been famous for its Gow-shallas for centuries for food and fruits lavishly served to pilgrims, Saints and Sadhus from all over the country, particularly during Shri Amarnath Ji Yatra. These food stuffs would, invariably, go to the needy Muslim neighbours, orphans and widows of all communities free of cost in absence of Ashram guests.
On Feb.20 1986 two storeyed temple in the Ashram was razed to the ground by unruly Muslim mobs. The then Governor of J & K subsequently had a temple built on the debris of the burnt temples. The Deputy Mahant gives the dates of fire attacks during insurgency (from 1990) as under:
12-12-90,18-12-90,6-1-91,7-1-91,18-1-91,19-1-91,27-1-91,2-2-91,19-2-91,28-2-91 and 6-3- 1991.
BOMB BLASTS
On 8-6-91 at 8.30 (which were repeated 9 times).
Grenade attacks on temples: 21 -6-91.
Petrol Bomb attacks: 12,13 and 23-11-1993 etc.
Deputy Mahant approached the authorities to shift ten starving cows to Jammu or elsewhere. Nobody listened to his request. ”I then sought help from volantary organisations. They readily managed shifting of cows to Jammu on their own expenses and at greatest risk to their voluntary workers including truck drivers”, says SukhRam. ”The Governor of J&K State promised me on 24-6-91 to have back side wall of the Ashram buildings repaired besides some essential construction in the premises done but the assurance turned out a hoax” adds the Deputy Mahant.
”On 15th September 1990, I submitted representation to the concerned police station and also to the D.I.G. Police, concerned, the Governor and others for raising the strength of CRPF personnel guarding the Ashram from 8 to l6. To my great surprise ond shock entire CRPF was shifted on 30-10-1990 and replaced by local armed police personnel who looked with contempt to wards me and shrine.”
Sukh Ram says he made fanatic appeals to President of India, Home Minister, Governor of J&K State and lot of others but nobody could be moved. The result was that a double storey house, cow-shed, shali store house, other minor constructions were reduced to ashes on 19-10-91 at dead of night under the nose of local guards who did not move even their little finger and even whisper while the carnoge was on.
Sukh Ram says he met the Hon’ble Home Minister personally and several other congress leaders and apprised them of the continued desecration of the Temple & Shrines in Kashmir but he was unable to evoke any response.
Comment by NIMESH — September 17, 2008 @ 10:30 am
INDIAN EXPRESS DEC.15,1992 J-K MILITANTS DEMOLISHED 40 TEMPLES, 150 HOUSES SRINAGAR: Kashmiri militants have destroyed at least 40 temples and 150 houses during the past five days, even as pro-militant political leaders urged Muslim countries to enforce economic blockade on India for the Ayodyha incidents. Most of the incidents have been reported from rural Kashmir, especially Anantnag district in the south and Baramulla and Kupwara districts in the north. In Srinagar city, a temple and seven houses at Banamoholla and a cremation shed at Karan nagar, Migrant houses at Jawaharnagar, Natipora and some other localities were burnt. In villages like Wadipora in Kupwara, Chinigund, Verinag, Peba and Doru in Anantnag, Shergund in Baramulla, Kokernang and Chack-e-Narain, entire settlements of minority houses schools, Dhramshallas and Ashrams were reduced to ashes. While official figures said nearly 14 hundred were burnt, the minority community put it around 4000. Several precious Idols of Antique value were also burnt close with the temples. The house of eminent Kashmiri poet, Sarwanand Premi at Amnoo in Kulgam was also reduced to ashes.
DAILY EXCELSIOR Dec. 31, 1992 Report on UMANAGRI TEMPLE (FROM SWAMI SVOYAMANANDA) On Dec. 8th, 1992 the militants attacked and set on fire the Uma Nagri Complex. In the complex an old Dharamshalla depicting the Kashmiri art and craft was not even spared and everything was destroyed within the temple. Besides Sh. Dhooni Shab which was burning since 1872 day and night even during the rule of Pathans has also been set on fire. In addition to it the famous temple constructed of marble stones inside a poll of water named Shiv Shakti Kund also was not spared. It was recently constructed at a cost of more than Rs. 10 to 12 Lakhs and with the help of people but it has been raised to ground by the hand grenades by the militants.
DISTRICT POLICE OFFICE ANANTNAG No: DYSPDAR/ 1109 Dated: 15-2-1993 Shri Swami Svoyamananda, Ashram Camp Kashmiri Pandit Sabha, Ambphalla, Jammu Tawi Sir, Kindly refer your letter No.1507 Dated: 25-1 -1993, regarding demolition of Uma Temple by blasting on 8th Dec.1992. In this regard the FIR copy of the said incident is enclosed herewith for your kind persual. The buildings of the trust have been gutted completely due to the fire. The Uma Devi Idol has been broken by the miscreants into the pieces, but the structure of the Temple is intact. The iron railing is partly damaged. Hence the report is submitted for your kind perusal. Your Sincerely, sd/- (Superintendent of Police) District Anantnag. Enc:- FIR copy vide No. 40/920/S 436, 295.
DAILY EXCELSIOR DATED: AUG. 10, 1995 97 TEMPLES DAMAGED IN MILITANT ATTACKS IN VALLEY New Delhi Aug.9: As many as 97 Temples were burnt or damaged in the incidents of terrorist violence in Jammu and Kashmir from 1992 till July this year and 1747 civilians lost their lives in the last 19 months, the Lok Sabha was informed today. The Minister of State in the Prime Minister’s office Mr. Bhuvanesh Chaturvedi said in a written reply. 31 Temples were damaged only this year, and added that security arrangements have been made in vulnerable areas including regular patrolling by security forces for the protection against possible attacks by militants. From 1990 onwards ban was inposed by terrorist groups on the annual Shri Amar Nath Ji Yatra continuously upto 1995. For last two years the district administration of Anantnag has kept itself away from making Yatra arrangements. The local Ponywallas, shopkeepers, hotellers and suppliers of tents for Yatris have also boycotted the Yatra. For Hindus the temples have been centers of spirltual solace and places of philosophical discourses and discussions. Their desecration, after independence, in Kashmir has ramificatlons —— unknown till date.
Comment by NIMESH — September 17, 2008 @ 10:41 am
Nimesh
Thank you the above is a great information —– i was always asking how many temples muslims have destroyed and now u have given the answer —- muslims never opened mouth to give those numbers —- all they have is crazy numbers like 2-1/2 laks etc —- but they hardly support their numbers with any proof — crazy
thanks again
anil
Comment by Koul Anil — September 17, 2008 @ 12:00 pm
nimesh . i don’t know hw to thank u .. ur comments helped me a lot ..
Comment by pamposh — September 17, 2008 @ 2:12 pm
Temples Destroyed in Kashmir after December 6, 1992
DISTRICT ANANTNAG
Date of occurrence Temple FIR No. Poling Station
8-12-1992 One of Gouree Shankar Temples 81/92 Pahalgam
10-12-1992 Two Shiv Jee Temples 278/92 Anantnag
8/9-12-1992 Shiv Jee Temple 45/92 Damhal, Honjipora
9-12-1992 Temple 45/92 do
9-12-1992 Temple 46/92 do
7/8-12-1992 Two Shiva Temples 165/92 Kulgam
7/8-12-1992 Sheevala Temple 166/92 Kulgam
8/9-12-1992 Temples 168/92 Kulgam
8/9-12-1992 Shiva Temples 169/92 Kulgam
7/8-12-1992 Two Temples 172/92 Kulgam
7/8-12-1992 Shivalik Temple 173/92 Kulaam
7/8-12-1992 Shiv Temple 42/92 Achabal
Comment by NIMESH — September 17, 2008 @ 3:41 pm
7/8-12-1992 Shiv Temple 43/92 Do
7-12-1992 Temple 80/92 Dooru
7-12-1992 Temple 81/92 Dooru
7/8-12-1992 Temple 84/92 Dooru
7/8-12-1992 Ganesh Temple 91/92 Dooru
7/8-12-1992 Ganesh Temple 86/92 Dooru
8-12-1992 Temple 93/92 Dooru
13-12-1992 Temple 45/92 Achabal
16-12-1992 Temple 46/92 Achabal
8-12-1992 Temple 93/92 Dooru
8-12-1992 Temple 171 /92 Kulgam
8/9-12-1992 Temple 178/92 Kulgam
8-12-1992 Temple 40/92 Achabal
7/8-12-1992 Temple 167/92 Kulgam
8-12-1992 Temple 47/92 Hanji pora
7/8-12-1992 Temple 163/92 Kulgam
Comment by NIMESH — September 17, 2008 @ 4:02 pm
Genocide by islamic fanatics- The Conquest of Sind
All this glorious past, and Asia’s civilization, changed forever with the bloody plunder of Sind by the Arabs starting in the 7th century:
“In 653-4, …a force of 6000 Arabs penetrated… To the shrine of Zun. The general broke off a hand from the idol and plucked out the rubies which were its eyes… The Arabs were now able to mount frequent plunder and slave expeditions as far as Ghazna, Kabul and Bamiyan… Arab raiding continued and was aimed at exacting tribute, plunder and slaves …Slaves and beasts remained the principal booty of the raids, and these were sent to the caliphate court in a steady stream.”10
Andre Wink describes that this aspiration to conquer India had existed since the time of the Prophet, as is evidenced by the sacred texts:
“… in the hadith collections the prophet Muhammad himself is credited with the aspiration of conquering India. Participants in the holy war against al-Hind [the Hindus] are promised to be saved from hell-fire… Thus also an eschatological work which is called the Kitab al-Fitan (‘Book of Trials’) credits Muhammad with saying that God will forgive the sins of the members of the Muslim army which will attack al-Hind, and give them victory.”11
The plunder was also achieved by an ingenious system of leaving the prosperous population alone, so that they would continue to bring donations to the temples, and then the Muslims would loot these temples. In order to save their temple from destruction, many Hindu warriors refused to fight:
“An even greater part of the revenue of these rulers was derived from the gifts donated by pilgrims who came from all over Sind and Hind to the great idol (sanam) of the sun-temple at Multan… When Muhammad al-Qasim conquered Multan, he quickly discovered that it was this temple which was one of the main reasons for the great wealth of the town. He ‘made captives of the custodians of the budd, numbering 6000′ and confiscated its wealth, but not the idol itself – which was made of wood, covered with red leather and two red rubies for its eyes and wearing a crown of gold inlaid with gems –, ‘thinking it best to leave the idol where it was, but hanging a piece of cow’s flesh on its neck by way of mockery’. AI-Qasim built his mosque in the same place, in the most crowded bazaar in the center of the town. The possession of the sun-temple — rather than the mosque — is what in later times the geographers see as the reason why the local governors or rulers could hold out against the neighboring Hindu powers. Whenever an ‘infidel king’ marched against Multan and the Muslims found it difficult to offer adequate resistance, they threatened to break the idol or mutilate it, and this, allegedly, made the enemy withdraw. In the late tenth century however the Isma’ilis who occupied Multan broke the idol into pieces and killed its priests. A new mosque was then erected on its site…”12
Comment by NIMESH — September 17, 2008 @ 4:20 pm
Genocide Part 2: Mahmud of Ghazni
The founder of the Ghaznavid dynasty was a former Turkish slave, recognized by the Iranian Muslims as governor of Ghazni (a town near Kandahar). His son Mahmud (ruled in 998-1030) expanded the empire further into India. A devout Muslim, Mahmud converted the Ghaznavids into Islam, thus bringing Islam into the sub-continent’s local population. In the 11th century, he made Ghazni the capital of the vast empire of the Ghaznavids, Afghanistan’s first Muslim dynasty. The atrocities by Mahmud of Ghazni makes the Taliban look benign by comparison. Will Durant explains:13
“The Mohammedan Conquest of India is probably the bloodiest in history. It is a discouraging tale, for its evident moral is that civilization is a precarious thing, whose delicate complex of order and liberty, culture and peace may at any time be overthrown by barbarians invading from without or multiplying within… For four hundred years (600-1000 A.D.) India invited conquest; and at last it came.”
“In the year 997 a Turkish chieftain by the name of Mahmud became sultan of the little state of Ghazni, in eastern Afghanistan. Mahmud knew that his throne was young and poor, and saw that India, across the border, was old and rich; the conclusion was obvious. Pretending a holy zeal for destroying Hindu idolatry across the frontier with a force inspired by a pious aspiration for booty. He met the unprepared Hindus at Bhimnagar, slaughtered them, pillaged their cities, destroyed their temples, and carried away the accumulated treasures of centuries. Returning to Ghazni he astonished the ambassadors of foreign powers by displaying “jewels and un-bored pearls and rubies shinning like sparks, or like wine congealed with ice, and emeralds like fresh sprigs of myrtle, and diamonds in size and weight like pomegranates.”"
“Each winter Mahmud descended into India, filled his treasure chest with spoils, and amused his men with full freedom to pillage and kill; each spring he returned to his capital richer than before. At Mathura (on the Jumna) he took from the temple its statues of gold encrusted with precious stones, and emptied it coffers of a vast quantity of gold, silver and jewelry; he expressed his admiration for the architecture of the great shrine, judged that its duplication would cost one hundred million dinars and the labor of two hundred years, and then ordered it to be soaked with naptha and burnt to the ground. Six years later he sacked another opulent city of northern India, Somnath, killed all its fifty thousand inhabitants, and dragged its wealth to Ghazni. In the end he became, perhaps, the richest king that history has ever known.”
“Sometimes he spared the population of the ravaged cities, and took them home to be sold as slaves; but so great was the number of such captives that after some years no one could be found to offer more than a few schillings for a slave. Before every important engagement Mahmud knelt in prayer, and asked the blessing of God upon his arms. He reigned for a third of a century; and when he died, full of years and honors, Moslem historians ranked him greatest monarch of his time, and one of the greatest sovereigns of any age.”
Comment by NIMESH — September 17, 2008 @ 4:25 pm
what does the indian constitution gaurantee according to congress?
1. it gaurantees safety of nehru(gandhi) family only.
2. it gaurantees rahul gandhi as next prime minister.
3. it gaurantees muslims to perfom terrorists activities.
4. it gaurantees majority hindus as beggers and depicts them as non-seculars.
5. it gaurantees lalu and paswan to support SIMI.
6. it gaurantees always congress govt to be at the centre and in other states.
7. it gaurantees food for oil money to congress head person.
8. it gaurantees when muslim is caught for terrorist charges outside india, our prime minister to go without sleep.
9. it gaurantees haj subsidy.
10.it gaurantees bofors money to sonia & co.
God also connot save this country from this govt.
venkat
Comment by venkat — September 18, 2008 @ 8:59 am
the “TERRORIST” ISLAM is on show in Jamia Nagar in New Delhi …
this shows how muslim people in India are harbouring anti India and anti Indian terrorists …
they even helped 2 of the terrorists to escape by blocking the police ….
shame on ISLAM …
we need to eradicate it from India and the world …
Comment by chandra — September 19, 2008 @ 7:52 am
Venkat …
congress is the weed that needs to be eradicated from politics in India …
can u call it a “political party” that cant even find a leader for itself … who doesnt have “gandhi” as the sirname …??
can it lead the world’s biggest democracy, when it is not even democratic itself … ??
it shows it is not a democratic party but nothing more than a “dynasty” rule ….
very much like there were or there are “dictator” families …
this is the party that just wants “power” at any cost … whether it is good or bad for India … it doesnt care for it ….
well we have a task on our hands …. we have to overthrow this government ….
we all have a vote … we have to make sure we use it …
Comment by chandra — September 19, 2008 @ 8:02 am
BY HELPING THERE TERRORIST ISLAMIC BROTHERS — THEY ARE MAKING SURE THEY GET JANNAT WITH 72 VIRGINS AND 28 BOYS —- WOH SAB DOOR KI SOONCHTAY HAI —- THER ARE FAR SIGHTED —- BUT IF THEY HELP INDIAN POLICE THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH HELL FIRE —- SO TELL ME WHAT WILL THEY DO —– AS PER ISLAM
ANIL
Comment by Koul Anil — September 19, 2008 @ 11:52 am
“we salute the brave hero “M C SHARMA” ”
“may his soul rest in peace”
UPA & CO have accounted for one more murder, Mr Sharma was hero in true sense, he has killed 35 terrorists and arrested 85 of them, a counter terrorism expert on HUJI, he had created informers in SIMI, just think about this loss to people of this country.
A Tribute,
ye log hai (Mr. Sharma, Martyred KP’s & Indian Army personnel) jo marke bhi, sab ke dillo me rahte hai.
ye log hai (sonia &co, KM’s & all “M”) jo zinda rahe ke bhi, sab ke dillo me marte hai.
venkat
Comment by venkat — September 20, 2008 @ 7:52 am
This is what the “islamic terrorists” did to this lil girl and thousands of other children in KASHMIR …
take out a little time of our busy schedules and read the story … and then listen …
(http://www.parikrama.com/bir/story.html) ….
listen to it at …
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0MCrtCcqRy0&eurl=http://www.orkut.co.in/FavoriteVideoView.aspx?uid=943244967872374085&ad=1221822871&uit=/Home.aspx)
sometimes the songs say it all …
MOSLEMS LEAVE ISLAM … BEFORE ITS TOO LATE … THINK …
Comment by chandra — September 20, 2008 @ 4:59 pm
http://badamwaer.blogspot.com/2008/09/behind-scene.html
BEHIND THE SCENES
Current state of affairs:
Jammu is on fire. The state of Jammu & Kashmir is on the verge of a final breakup. These and many such pronouncements are seen and heard every where these days. Perhaps this is either a reckless exaggeration or a product of wishful thinking.
Understanding the basics
First let us try to understand as to what constitutes Jammu. Again most of its definitions in fact define the ideological perceptions of those who attempt the definitions. The definers wish to have a Jammu of their own wishes or beliefs and are not bothered to see the ground realities as they exist today and shall continue to exist in the days and years to come unless of course something spectacular takes place in the political geography of this region.
For a pucca Hindu brigade nickerdhari, Jammu is the land of temples, temples and temples, most of them erected on state land without any formal permission or authority. To such perverted minds the Jammu region which is now spread over ten districts means only the kanakmandi and areas surrounding it. The whole Jammu Pradesh or Rashtra is thus colored saffron and no other colors exist in the vibgyor of the human society, of course in addition to the exalted humans there are some exalted animals also to provide the spiritual company in this land of bliss. This type of insane mental disposition can and does conveniently overlook the demographic disposition of the region called Jammu. Such perverted minds wish to dub all people living in these areas as dogras and ignore that dogras constitute a small minority of the population of this region.
The majority of the population is composed of scheduled tribes (gujjar & bakerwals) non-scheduled tribes fighting for their scheduled tribe status (paharis) scheduled castes (harijan) and other ethnic and racial groups like Kashmiri, Sikhs, pothoharies, and punjabies etc.Even on religious lines the region is anything but a monolith. We have Hindus, Muslims, Sikhs, Christians and Buddhists in the population. On the basis of geography and climatic zones again the region shows extreme diversity. Languages, culture, customs every area of human activity is marked by differences and these differences can neither be surmounted nor ignored.
The Heterogeneity
This being the case what then is this Jammu which is supposedly on fire and ready to be torn asunder as a result of an agitation launched for restoration of 800 kanals of land far away in Kashmir valley to an organization which has to look after a cave shrine at best for two months a year. What then are the unstated motives behind this ruckus? Jammu can not aspire to be a separate state for it lacks linguistic, cultural, ethnic and religious homogeneity. The carving out a separate heterogeneous state can not be a solution to the perceived problems created by heterogeneity itself. You do not treat a person bitten by a snake by injecting venom.
The Hidden Agenda – Killing many birds without throwing a stone!
Then what is the agenda? Unfortunately even best minds among us, so called Jammuites do not know .We seem to be too pathetically carried away by the din and noise on the streets of Jammu to understand and analyze the situation in a rational and reasonable way. What is happening on the streets of Jammu city is in fact an unfolding of an agenda least known to us, the jammuites.The agenda is laid by those who have been enjoying the hospitality of people of Jammu for the last two decades now. Our very own Kashmiri pundits are at the bottom of this game. They are killing many birds with one arrow but they do not carry a bow. The innocent, good at heart people of Jammu are carrying the bow and shooting the arrows. What is the Kashmiri pundit leadership up to? The answers are not too far to seek. From the days of migration Kashmiri pundit leadership has been trying in every conceivable way to pay back the Kashmiri Muslims for the perceived genocide, exodus and what have you in the dictionary. It is another matter that the genocide involved not more than 100 people dead as per official data released by home ministry. The KP leadership crisscrossed entire globe with fake tales and opposed Kashmiri aspirations on every platform. They did everything they could to malign their compatriots and now they have used the last agniban(offence intended, Dr Agnishekhar) They are not interested in amarnath shrine or the land. Had it been so they would have demanded full control over amaranth shrine affairs by demanding an exclusive Kashmiri management of the shrine? Everyone in Kashmir would support a Kashmiri management of this and all other Kashmiri pundit shrines. Such a management would perhaps find it much easier to improve the facilities for pilgrims as the goodwill of local Kashmiri Muslims would stand guaranteed.KP leadership on the other hand inducted remove Vohra slogan in to the agitation for it fears advent of Vohra on the scene in Kashmir. Governor Vohra is not new to Kashmir politics and Kashmir problem. Having played an important role as an interloculator on Kashmir he has his own advantages. Our KP friends do not want any movement whatsoever towards conflict resolution in Kashmir. They would definitely love to have a novice at the helm and if that novice has any bhagwa leanings, so much the better.
Our responsibility as Jammuites
The present agitation in Jammu has to be seen in e above perspective. It may still be possible for us Jammu’s good at heart people to see behind the scene. It goes to our credit that we maintained very good relations with Kashmiri Muslims even when things were very difficult. We maintained peace even when there were grave provocations such as an attack on raghunath temple. Who is then today asking Kashmiri Muslims to leave Jammu? It can not be us, the people of Jammu. It is in fact the perverted KP leadership who has already begun rejoicing on the possibility of taking revenge. But those among the KP’s who know people of Jammu, also know that we are capable of seeing the whole game and will rise to the occasion and not allow to be used as bows for shooting someone’s arrows. Jammu has a stake in peace. We can not and will not allow to be treated as pawns in a dirty game. Jammu has over the years seen a new growth on every front. It is fast emerging as a hub of great economic activity. It is on the threshold of a new and modern age. It is poised to be a centre for excellence in every sphere of life, a cultural and intellectual capital perhaps next only to Delhi and Lahore in this part of the subcontinent. We can not fritter our energies for the sake of satisfying the ego of a handful of irrelevant political orphans. Those who feel and preach that a total separation from Kashmir shall cure all the ills, should remind themselves of the economic, political and social fallouts of such an utopian dream. The sooner the futility of this exercise is realized the better for all of us. Jammu will survive, thrive, grow and prosper only as long as it remains firmly wedded to Kashmir. It has a great future in case it allows a pluralistic society on its land. The moment Jammu loses its multiethnic character it shall cease to grow. The state of Jammu and Kashmir shall continue to be an inseparable part of Indian union as long as Jammu remains inseparable from Kashmir.
Comment by Blogger — September 24, 2008 @ 11:59 am
Advent of Islam in Kashmir
The start of Syeds’ antinational and separatist activities behind the mask of religious tolerance and liberalism.
Towards the beginning of the 7th Century the Islamic sect, which was born in the vast womb of the Arabian desert, was able to bring many countries in the fold of the “Islamic Millat” (Muslim brotherhood) within first 100 years of its birth. Besides Syris, Palestine, Egypt, north Africa, Iraq, the followers of Islam marched fast towards Spain, Portugal, South France and other European countries.
Defeat of Arab Chieftain
After conquering Turkey and Kabul the Arabs fixed their gaze on Kashmir in the middle of the 8th century. During the middle of this era the Arab Chieftains attempted, many times, to trample Kashmir but they licked dust because of the powerful Kashmiri emperors and chivalrous soldiers. Everytime they returned without any success. In 713 Emperor of Kashmir, Chandrapeed, defeated Mohd. Bin Qasim. Second time Emperor Lalitaditya defeated the Arab Chietain, Hisham, in 724 and finally in 754 one Arab Chieftain, Kalif Mansoor, set his foot on Kashmir but had to return aftering tasting defeat. The same way Mohd. Gaznavi witnessed defeat twice at the hands of Kashmiris and fled to Gazni and never came to Kashmir, thereafter.
The glorious pages of history confirm the veracity and depth of the declaration of Kalhana who had said that Kashmir “cannot be won by military power.” History bears testimony to the fact that the advent of Islam in Kashmir is a well planned bloody saga of-bigotry and religious conversion in the guise of humanitarianism, world brotherhood of Muslim sufis and sayeds. The same Kashmiri who lived an independent life and never surrendered before terrible invaders were the people who were trapped in the religious clutches of Muslim sufi saints and sayeds.
First contact with Islam
When the Arabs conquered Sindh, the son of Sindh ruler, Prince Jaisingh, took shelter in Kashmir. The King of Kashmir presented him an estate with honour. A Syrian friend named Hamid, was also with Jaisingh. This Muslim youth, Hamid, was the first Muslim to have entered into Kashmir. After the death of Jaisingh Hamid became the owner of his estate. This Muslim landlord started propagating his religion, with the help of his status and influence, among his friends, relations and acquaintances. The successor of Lalitaditya, Vajraditya, adopted a highly liberal policy in allowing entry to Hamid and his associates in the state administrative setup. From here started people’s contact with Islam and gradually Hamid started getting engaged in increasing the number of the followers of his religion in a systematic way.
From here started the contact between the Kashmiri Hindus and the followers of Islam in every field of the society. First of all a ruler of Kashmir, Kalash, inaugurated the campaign for this interaction and contact by having a love affair with a Muslim dancer. Later on King Harsha appointed Muslims on the key posts in the Army and the administration. Harash himself had been impressed by the principles of Islam and thus Kalhana has dubbed him a “Turk”. During the time of Harsha, that is towards the end of the 13th century, a small but powerful Muslim colony had been established in Kashmir. That way the work of religious conversion had started at a slow pace.
When the news about the propagation of Islam with the help of the facilities provided by the Government reached the Arab countries, many Muslim sufi saints made it their life’s goal to propagate Islam in Kashmir.
First incident of conversion
The first sufi saint who reached Kashmir, during the time of King Sehdev, was Sayed Sharafuddin Bulbul Shah from Turkey. He was a very clever person. That very time a rebel prince from Tibet, Rinchan, and a Persian Muslim religious preacher, Shahmir, arrived in Kashmir. Reference to these two persons has been made in the earlier chapter titled “Kotarani”. Right from the beginning Shahmir tried to give religious colour to every of his political and social activities. Though Kashmiri Pandits had committed a blunder in not having allowed Rinchan to adopt Hinduism, Shahmir and Bulbul Shah had played a vital role in initiating Rinchan to Islam and in revolting against Hindu religion. King Sehdev appointed both, Rinchan and Shahmir on important posts in the state as a result of his liberalism and this helped them to establish contact with each other. As per the plan of Bulbul Shah, Shahmir took full advantage of the hatred that Rinchan had developed in his mind against the Pandits. He, while opposing Hindu religion and enumerating the qualities in Islam, tried to cultivate in the mind of Rinchan that there was other religion, besides Hindu religion, which could be adopted and accepted.
Cleverly Shahmir told Rinchan, one night, that they would move out for a morning walk the other day. And the person who would meet them first would be fortunate and truthful. After enquiring his religion it would be better to adopt that religion. When Shahmir and Rinchan went out for a morning walk, the first man to meet them, as was preplanned, was Bulbul Shah. In this way Rinchan became a Muslim as a result of the conspiracy of Bulbul Shah and Shahmir.
Power greedy Rinchan
No doubt, the post-conversion incident lifts the veil from the political aim of Bulbul Shah and Shahmir for converting Kashmir into a Muslim state, it also highlights the instability of the mind of Rinchan and his greed for power. He had fled from Tibet after his revolt for assuming power had failed. Taking advantage of King Sehdev’s liberalism he succeeded in occupying important post in the administration. When Sehdev fled at the time of Dulchoo’s invasion, Rinchan took the advantage of anarchy in the state and got Prime Minister, Ramchandra, killed through deceit and became the king. In order to calm down the anger in the people, he married Ramchandra’s daughter, Kotarani, and realising the political influence of Kotarani he tried to adopt Hinduism. In the end this very greed for power attracted him to Islam. Thus this conversion was not the result of attraction towards the principles of any religion but the product of politically motivated conversion for gaining power. It was sheer politics behind the religious converter and the converted. The idea behind it was to prepare a foundation for a class of Muslim administrators.
Justice Kilam has written in his book “The History of Kashmiri Pandit” that with the religious conversion of Rinchan and with adoption of a Muslim name Malik Sadruddin, his son, Ravanchander, and many others adopted Islam. This way there emerged a Muslim ruling class. This class also needed support and they adopted many ways for propagating Islam. As a result of its simple rules and with the support from the royalty, Islam attracted people belonging to the lower class.
Conversion through Government support
After the self-sacrifice of Kotarani Shahmir succeeded in establishing his authority on Kashmir in 1343. On assuming power he initiated efforts for propagating Islam and even started the plan for conversion of people on the state level. He achieved success in his political mission by reforming agriculture and by providing many facilities to the people. Through many intrigues Shahmir humbled down one Lavanya named Rajput and people belonging to a foreign dynasty “Chhak” were appointed on different posts in the state. Such works helped Shahmir in strengthening his control on the administration which laid a strong foundation for the foreign Muslim preachers.
In a way Islam received Governmen’s patronage in Kashmir. Shahmir was a clever politician and for his convenience he thought it proper to seek support from the Kashmiri Hindus and installed Pandits on key posts. Sanskrit was still the official language in Kashmir. This way he received full support from the local educated class by giving them honourable posts. The result was that these very Pandits welcomed Muslim scholars, religious preachers, sayeds who had come from foreign lands. These very sayeds gradually sidelined the Pandits in the administration and occupied top posts.
According to Dr. Raghunath Singh, the rule of Shahmir paved the way for gradual entry of foreigners into Kashmir. People from Khurasaan, Turkey and other frontier regions started coming to Kashmir. They received amenities because of the Muslim rule in Kashmir. The population of Muslims in Kashmir was small and since the Muslims had usurped the state from the Hindus, the Sultans wanted to have Muslim supporters for strengthening their position. Thus the flow of Muslims into Kashmir remained uniterrupted. Later they became a problem for Kashmir. They were not in the know of the living style of Kashmiris and their nature. Their advent resulted in violence and cruelty which were earlier unknown in Kashmir. A small account of some cruel events is recorded in the entire history of Shahmir dynasty. There is no comparison between the cruelties of that era and the one that followed it.
Hordes of foreign Sayeds
During the time of Shahmir the groups of Sayeds who came to Kashmir mainly belonged to Turkey and Persia where living had been made difficult because of invasions of Taimur. Finding Kashmir a safe place they marched here. In Kashmir they received protection and Government facilities for carrying out religious preachings. It also freed them from the terror of Taimur.
A Muslim historian, Mohd. Din Fak, has written in his book “History of Kashmir,” that when Sayed Tajuddin came to Kashmir, he had with him two of his disciples, Sayed Masood and Sayed Yusuf. The younger brother of Sayed Tajuddin, Syed Hussain came to Simnani too. It is said that these two brothers had been sent by Syed Mir Ali with the instructions to find out whether Kashmir was capable to protect them against the attacks of Taimur, because it was believed that Taimur was ready to kill all Syeds.
These Syeds found themselves safe in Kashmir and indulged in open propagation of Islam. But they had one fear: the valley of Kashmir was a Hindu dominated area and these Hindus were strict followers of their sect and religion. They considered it essential and need of the hour to increase the Muslim population because they had fears that since Hindus were in majority in Kashmir and their religious zeal may prove heavy on Islam. They feared that the newly established Muslim political leadership may be finished. Therefore, they banked on religion for changing the religious bent of mind. They believed that Islamic doctrines could be the means for achieving political goal.
The spiritual message of these Syeds, their so called liberalism and the behaviour of tolerance got linked with the nature of Kashmir. The credit for success in starting the act of religious conversion by syeds goes to two prominent Muslim leaders, Syed Ali Hamdaani and Syed Mohd. Hamdaani. Syed Ali Hamdaani, who is popularly known as Shah Hamdaani for propagating Islam, had come to Kashmir for the first time in 1372 alongwith 700 Syed followers. He established the influence of his organisation in the entire state with adroitness and with the help of his educated disciples. He toured the entire state many times. He raised his disciples upto the village level. He made those areas as his work field where there was greater influence of Hindu religion, where there were many temples, where there were religious libraries and where the Pandit community was determined, so that first of all these very centres of spiritualism of Hindus were finished.
Destruction of basic society
With Government resources and facilities these Syeds opened many centres in Kashmir where, as per the plan, poor Kashmiri Pandits were given food, clothes, medicines etc., free of cost. The imperialistic designs behind such attractions have been vividly described by a Muslim historian, M.D. Sufi, in his book ”Kashmir” He has written that Syeds became popular among the Muslim kings who were influenced by them. They established many preaching centres where people were given food free of cost and afterwards these very people were accepted in Islam.
As a result of long but powerful campaign of conversion, a type of “Muslim-Brahmin class” took birth in Kashmir. This class received full patronage from the Syeds. They were appointed on posts in the administration. It was natural that this so called Muslim-Brahmin class came into confrontation and confict with the Hindu Brahmins. The history gives an account of some af the fights and small battles between the two sides. Since these Muslim Pandits had the support of the Syeds and the Government, it resulted in the destruction of the basic society. There was no security arrangements for the protection of life and property of Pandits. Hidden behind this struggle was the political trick of the Syeds who succeeded in removing original residents from the Government posts.
They opened schools and centres at Awantipura and Mattan for propagating Islamic teachings and education. Though Islamisation had started prior to the coming of the Syeds, Syed Ali Hamdaani, with his powerful groups of disciples, increased the rate of conversion manifold times. They started attacking several traditions of Hindu religion besides propagating teachings and messages of Islam. And these campaigns were used to be carried out in the attractive guise of brotherhood, love and tolerance. For religious conversion in Kashmir this was the apt principle they adopted. Sir Stein in his commentary on Rajtarangani has written thai Islam carved out its way in Kashmir through gradual religious conversion and not achieved victory through force. And for laying the foundation for it the religious preachers from south and central Asia have played a significant role.
Syed Ali Hamdaani was awarded a degree of “Baani-e-Kalaam” in Kashmir. He established a centre in Srinagar which was called Allah-Udinpur and since then it named as Khankai Moula. As a result of his relentless efforts a big number of Kashmiris adopted Islam, but these fresh Muslim converts did not give up their dress, language, local traditions and even their religious customs. Syed Ali Hamdaani confined his activities towards inclusion of some rules of the Shariat in the state laws through the help of the Sultan in order to ensure full conversion of the people. He felt that despite their religious conversion, if the people remained tied to the land, it could lead to the end of Islam any time.
Plan for total Islamisation
Syed Ali Hamdani introduced in Kashmir, with the help of the then Sultan, dress of Muslim countries, throne on the Islamic model, Islamic customs in state administration and Islamic flag on Government buildings. On the directions of the Syed the Sultan started wearing an Arabic cap and divorced one of his two wives and remarried the other according to Islamic custom. Thus Sultan Qutabuddin fulfilled all the desires of the Syed. But still all the plans of the Syed had not fully materialised. The Syed established contact with Hindu saints of Kashmir. His meetings started with an influential Hindu Recluse, Lalleshwari. Both of them started visualising many uniformities in their religious doctrines. Both of them opposed idol worship. In league with the Syed, Lalleshwari started propagating her sect and the sufi sect. What else the Syeds wanted ? Through Lalleshwari the Syed started using some sayings from Hindu religion cleverly in his discourses in order to establish his credibility among the disciples of Lalleshwari. He even fully praised yoga and vision.
As a result of the political intrigue of Syed Ali Hamdaani some Hindu recluse and 37,000 Hindus adopted Islam. Historian Bamzai has written that outwardly the Syed would praise eloquently the Hindu religion but inwardly he used to hate the saints of this religion. After achieving great success in his mission he, while giving up his guise of love and coexistence, asked the Sultan to carry out forcible conversion of Hindus. But the Sultan refused to accept thio direction of the Syed. Possibly the Sultan had it in his mind that Kashmir continued to be a Hindu majority state and any forcible conversion could result in a revolt. Thus it was thought necessary to remain in power for the propagation of Islam.
Syed Ali was annoyed with Sultan Qutabuddin and returned to his country, Hamdaan. But he had already established a strong base, through his diplomacy, for the propagation of Islam and had simpliffed all the ways for carrying out forcible conversion in the future.
Comment by NIMESH — September 25, 2008 @ 6:21 am
Either Islam or Death or Banishment
The false face of liberalism of Syeds was unveiled and Sultan Sikander, taking support of cruel designs and atrocities, initiated a strong storm of destruction of Hindus for the purpose of forcible conversion.
As a result of the efforts of Syed Ali Hamdani a new generation of converted Muslims was born. The people of this generation supported not only the foreign religious preachers on the religious plank but also contributed fully in their activities connected with forcible conversion. These people left no stone unturned in demolishing monasteries and temples built by their ancestors. Thc eagerness with which these converted people demonstrated their faith in foreign religious practices hy destroying the established ancient practices is a highly dark chapter of the history of Kashmir.
After Syed Ali Hamdani his son, Syed Mohd. Hamdani, came to Kashmir in 1393 A.D., with 300 religious preachers for completing the unfinished task of his father. This time Kashmir was under the rule of Sikander the iconoclast who was insane in the intoxication of cruelty and bigotry. He gave a state reception to Mohd. Hamdani on his arrival in Kashmir. He registered three estates of Vanshi, Tral and Nunavani in his name where he could, alongwith his disciples, stay for carrying out his Islam-related activities with independence, peace and all amenities. All Government facilities were kept at his disposal.
Close to his father’s tomb “Shah Hamdaan shrine” the state government had built a spacious religious centre for Mohd. Hamdani. Sikander, the iconoclast, considered him as his teacher and as good as a father to make him Government guide. Joanraj has written in Rajtarangani that the king would remain in wait with folded hands for the Syed like an ideal servant. He would receive education from him like an ideal student and like an ideal slave carry out his deep study.
Suha Bhat – the traitor
After receiving full support from Sikander, Mohd. Hamdani started forcible conversion of Hindus in Kashmir. The dream that his father could not fructify was completed by Mohd. Hamdani with the help of Sikander. The Prime Minister of Sikander, Suha Bhat, played a prominent role in this bloody campaign. Suha Bhat was a Hindu but he had adopted Islam under the request of Mohd. Hamdani and under the threat of elimination from Sikander. His name as a converted Muslim Prime Minister became Saifuddin. He assumed the leadership of the converted Muslims and in shoulder to shoulder with Sikander he got engaged fully in making Kashmir a Hinduless state. This converted wolf, out of greed for power, played a special role in demolishing all the signs and symbols of Indianness in Kashmir.
This anti-national Saifuddin demonstrated his excitement by brandishing the Islamic sword on the necks of Hindus. Those Hindus who refused conversion were tortured. The Hindu scriptures were thrown in the Dal lake. Seven maunds of sacred thread worn by those Hindus, who were killed under his instructions, were burnt. To perpetuate this terror Sikander got formed an organisation called “Sheikh-ud-Islam” with the help of Saifuddin (Suha Bhat).
A Muslim historian, Hassan, has, in his book “History of Kashmir”, given an account of this barbarism of Sikander. He has written that Sikander crushed Hindus the most. An announcement was made in the city that the Hindu who would not adopt Islam was either to be killed or to be banished. As a result of it many Hindus fled from Kashmir, many accepted Islam. Many Brahmins preferred death and died. It is said that Sikander collected six maunds of sacred thread from the converted Hindus and got it burnt. Hazrat Amir Kabir has witnessed the scene himself and he suggested to Sikander that he should impose taxes on the Hindus instead of torturing them to death. All the Hindu scriptures were collected and thrown in the Dal lake and were buried under clay and stones.
Total destruction of Hindu Temples
The demonic gaze of cruel and in human Sultan Sikander fell on sacred spiritual centres of Hindus. Syed Mohd. Hamdani had made Sikander to understand that so long the idols in the temples of idol worshipping infidels were not destroyed, there would be no purpose of conversion. These very places of their deities were source of their inspiration. These very centres may inspire them, in future, to give up Islam. Thus destruction of these places was necessary for delinking fresh converts from their national roots and mainstream. If such places of deities were allowed to survive, inspiration for Indianness will survive. The Sultan accepted as dignified the political idea of Syed Mohd. Hamdani, and became ready to destroy the greatest work of human history and in doing so there was not an iota of civilisation, humanity and wisdom.
Historian Hassan has written that there were many temples during the time of Hindu kings which were just like wonders of the world. Their design and art were so fine and delicate that a viewer would get spellbound. Filled with jealousy and hatred Sikander destroyed these temples. From the material of the temples mosques and shrines were built. First of all he focussed his attention towards Martand temple built by Ramdev.
It took one year to fully damage and destroy this Martand temple. Aflter having failed to demolish the temple totally this enemy of art, culture and godly beauty, stuffed the temple with wooden slippers and set it ablaze. Seeing the matchless beauty of the fold studded domes of the temple getting destroyed Sikander kept on laughing and went on giving instructions for the complete destruction of the temple by treating it as God’s order. Stones from the temple’s foundation were not spared. It was total plunder and destruction of the temple and the people living around the temple were directed to adopt Islam. Those who did not accept this direction were butchered alongwith their family members. This way people from one village to another were converted into Islam. Even today one gets surprised over art and skill of the builders of this world famous Martand temple by looking at its ruins.
Similarly under the instructions of Sikander one famous temple at Bijbehara, Vijeshwar temple, and 300 other temples around it were destroyed and demolished. Historian Hassan has written that a mosque was built with the idols and stones of Vijeshwar temple and in this area a quarry was built which is called Vijeshwar quarry.
In these state level atrocities and forcible mass conversions Muslim preachers, especially Syeds, had played a pivotal role. The plot for this blood curdling story was prepared by those who were converted to Islam, failing which it would not have been possible for a handful of foreigners and those outsiders who had different religion, to establish their foothold in Kashmir. The result of cowardice and shortsightedness of the Hindus had set ablaze Kashmir usually called a forest of bliss and beatitude. The iconoclast king was of the opinion that if there was any danger to Kashmir in future it could be from these very Hindus. Thus to give a full Islamic shape to Kashmir it was both a “state duty” and “God’s order” to destroy Hindus and all their signs and symbols.
Hindus are to leave Kashmir
Bigotry had gripped the king to such an extent that he enforced his direction, “Either adopt Islam, or accept death or banishment” throughout Kashmir. People were given option to choose one among the three alternatives. It meant for Hindus banishment if they refused to adopt Islam. But it was not easy to leave Kashmir and survive. People were killed while fleeing. The Shariat laws and principles were made the constitution of Kashmir. The second writer of Rajtarangani, Joanraj, has written “not a single village or town was spared where places of worship and temples were not damaged and destroyed. Many Hindus lost their courage and accepted conversion. Many migrated from Kashmir and many committed suicide.”
There was no end to the horrible story. One British historian has written in his book “Beyond the Pir Panjal” that two Hindus were put together in a sack and drowned in the lake. They had only three alternatives left, either to adopt Islam, or struggle or accept getting killed. There was anger and annoyance in the Hindus against the Sultan’s cruel activities. But all those Hindus who launched a struggle against it were trampled to death.
Salutation to those brave Hindus who achieved martyrdom while fighting in the battlefield instead of either committing suicide by taking poison, or tolerated injustice, or adopted Islam or fled like cowards.
As a result of such good deeds of a few Hindus, that Sikander had to yield and some selected Hindu families were allowed to live in Kashmir. But they had to live on the mercy of Muslim bosses and the soldiers of the Sultan. The Sultan imposed taxes on these Hindus which was a penalty for remaining Hindus. These Hindus could neither use vermillion nor wear the sacred thread nor the Sarees and other dress.
Religious tax
Muslim sultans allowed Hindus the right to live on the condition that they would keep on paying taxes. These taxes had to be paid during the Hindu festivals and functions. It had different forms. The Hindus were forced to pay the taxes during Shivratri, Diwali, Ram Navmi, Navratra and Yagnopavit (sacred thread wearing ceremony). In addition to this, taxes were imposed on every pilgrimage. Joanraj in his Rajtarangani has called it “Chandh-Dandh” tax which means that the Hindus were forced to pay tax or the taxes were recovered from them either through beatingor through dishonour. “Chandh-Dandh” means in Sanskrit violent, cruel, horrible.
In addition to this, the Muslim Sardars would attack the houses of Hindus and later share the loot among themselves. This loot included even the women from the looted houses. In Arabic language this loot is called “Maal-e-Ganimat”. Joanraj has called it “Lotr Dandh” meaning punishment of loot.
This tax was so painful and horrible that common Hindu would not be able to pay it. And those who could not pay the tax had only the alternative of either facing rigorous imprisonment, or death or acceptance of Islam.
Bonfire of Sanskrit books Shrivar has in his Rajtarangani, written that under the inspiration of Syeds, Sikander set on fire all the books on Sanskrit literature like grass.
According to Shrivar, it is not a simple affair to enumerate the importance and greatness of this sacred land of Kashmir which has been storehouse of education and knowledge. All the Sanskrit books in Kashmir were attractive and after the fire of destruction only the story about it can be repeated. All these books, scriptures and the wealth of knowledge faced destruction in the same way lotus flowers wither under frost of the winter.
When Sikander, under the influence of Syeds, started setting ablaze Sanskrit books, big libraries, which were the storehouses of knowledge, in order to convert Kashmir in Darul Islam, many libraries smouldered for six months. These scriptures of knowledge were used as fuel in the kitchens and bathroom boilers of the Syeds. This dance of destruction caused great worry among the Hindus. They took it as the end of Indian culture. This way, they believed the entire cultural heritage would be totally finished. It needed to be preserved. Thus, some Hindus secretly carried them to the remote forests and mountain routes in the Hima1ayas. Many managed to carry them to safe places in different ancient regions in India.
According to Shrivar, the learned people of that period, on seeing the dance of destruction of knowledge, enacted by the muslims, fled with some books over tortuous mountain routes. This way these Kashmiri Pandits protected the Indian culture by hiding themselves in the jungles for many years. Still innumerable valuable books and scriptures were used as fuel in the hearths of the Sultans.
Humanity cried under demonic deeds of Syeds
During the reign af Sikander thousands of Syeds from West Asia and Central Asia reached Kashmir who started the bloody campaign for conversion. The bloodshed ordered by the Syeds on the soil of Kashmir under the pretext of religious preaching will be treated as the most mean and tainted chapter in the history of humanity.
Shrivar has written that the saga of atrocities committed by the Syeds is horrible as they had crossed all the limits of humanity and cruelty. A vedic scholar, Bhuvneshwar, was killed and his forehead, smeared with sandalwood, was severed and placed on the national highway. In order to create terror among the people, Syeds placed severed heads on charcoal and wood on the banks of the river Jehlum.
The bodies used to be thrown in the river. These swollen bodies would float and emit foul smell and flow down to the Wullar lake. Nobody would think of performing their last rites. Women coming to the two banks of the Jehlum used to be struck with arrows; it was a routine affair. Two to three people were daily executed on the banks of the Jehlum. The bodies of the brave people were thrown on the road like unclaimed bodies. According to Shrivar the naked bodies of those, who used to lead to comfortable life on cotton mattresses beside the cushions, were thrown on the roads and crows, cocks, and vultures feeding on the belly, flesh and fat of these insect infested bodies, emanating stench, were seen.
Between Malikpur and Losht Vihar bodies were kept like logs. Shrivar writes that in many other areas nude dead bodies had been kept like logs. Officers were killed without trial and justice. More cruelty was committed with their bodies. They were subjected to highly inhuman treatment, they were tortured, their bodies were rnutilated to become food for the dogs. After defeat they would be beheaded and their heads would be fixed on the flags.
Taking support of the Government power the Syeds kept it in their mind the aim of continuing the campaign for conversion in order to ensure forcible end of the basic religion and culture of Kashmir besides building mosques and schools for the propagation of principles of Islam. The famous mosques of Vilvihar and Jama Masjid in Srinagar were built during this period.
Saifuddin crossed all limits of cruelty
After Sikander the iconoclast, his son, Alishah, came to Kashmir and occupied the throne. He followed his father’s footsteps and within a period of six years he established a new record in tormenting, in killing Hindus and in converting them to Islam. He too was excited by the killing of Hindus and for this work he too appointed Saifuddin as his Prime Minister. This prime minister, who was a convert, displayed again his meanness.
Joanraj has given an account of the atrocities committed by Alishah on the Hindus. He has written that Suha Bhat (Saifuddin) broke all the previous record in imposing heavy taxes on Hindus. This wicked person imposed ban on functions and processions connected with “Dhooj ka chaand” festival. He was jealous about the Brahmins sensing that they would preserve their community in foreign countries, he set up checkposts on the roads and the soldiers would not allow anyone without a permit to go out of the state. The man from this mean community tortured people in the state just as a fisherman tortures the fish. Out of the scare of conversion Brahmins jumped into the fire. Many Brahmins hanged themselves to death, some consumed poison and others drowned themselves. Innumerable Brahmins jumped to death from the mountains. The state was filled with hatred. The supporters of the king did not stop even a single person from committing suicide. A big number of self-respecting Brahmins fled to foreign countries by walking on the footpaths after the main roads had been blocked. These Brahmins left for the foreign lands as the one who bids farewell to this earth; father leaving his son behind and the vice versa. Tough journey, food shortage and painful diseases and hellish life had made them to be free of the terror of hell. A large number of people died on the way because of enemy attacks, different difficulties, snake bites, heat wave. How could one expect meditation, prayer and determination from them ?
(Rajtarangani: Joanraj)
Courageous and brave Pandit Ratnakar
The Kashmiri Hindu society alone had to become a victim of the destruction ordered by the Muslim Sultans. It was so because they alone were a hurdle in the establishment of Islamic rule in Kashmir. Many plans were formulated for Islamisation of Kashmir. From allurements to massacre, all means were adopted with the help of the administration for achieving this aim.
Amid this deep darkness and hopelessness there is a reference full of great self-respect. One Kashmiri Pandit, Ratnakar, tried to cultivate the feeling of courage by organising Pandits. With his sound strategy he secured support from new Muslim Pandits for his work. One converted Muslim Moulana Din supported fully Ratnakar and these two, working secretly, increased their activities. But Kashmir had still to face bad days. Both Ratnakar and Moulana Din were arrested and killed because of the treachery of a new Muslim convert.
Sultan Ali Shah, through Government instructions, ordered a search of Pandits and all of them were forced to adopt Islam. It is believed that under the stormy religious conversion, carried out by Sikander and his son, Ali Shah, only 11 families of Hindus were left in Kashmir. The rest were converted, killed or had been forced to migrate.
Comment by NIMESH — September 25, 2008 @ 6:25 am
Again a Black Chapter
The days of misfortune for Kashmiri Pandits returned again. Under the intoxication of fundamentalism the Sultans started issuing illegal orders regarding the cutting off the limbs of Hindus, kidnapping them for religious conversion, looting their wealth and in sending respectable people to prisons under different pretexts.
Zainulabdin’s son, Hyder Shah, started undoing all that his father had done in re-establishing the ancient glory of Kashmir, in facilitating honourable return of the migrants, in re-establishing Sanskrit schools, in banning forcible conversion, and cow slaughter. Hyder Shah reversed what his father had done in establishing peace, progress and in sowing the seed of the sacred feelings of co-existence. In 1474 A.D. he polluted and poisoned through fanaticism the paradise carved on the land of Kashmir by his father. The bloody storms of forcible religious conversion, which had been stalled because of the efforts of Zainul and his Prime Minister, Shri Bhat, had again lashed the valley like a cyclone.
Torture of innocent people for the sake of Islamic imperialism
Pandits had reached top posts in the administration in Kashmir, as per their calibre, because of the liberal policies of Sultan Zainul. This society was becoming influential in the field of trade, agriculture. This state of happiness was not cherished by those contractors of the Muslim society the Syeds from central Asia who had set their foot on Kashmir to fulfil their dream of having a “Darul Islam” in the valley.
Thus they reminded Sultan Hyder Shah of this aim and through him they subjected the basic society to torture and atrocities.
In the Hindi translation of Rajtarangani Dr. Raghunath Singh has written that there was no sight of cruelty during the period of Zainulab Din. But as a result of his growing weakness, and on account of greed for power of his sons, there was advent of cruelty. A tussle ensued between Adam Khan and his younger brother Haji Khan at Shurpur and a marriage party that had come to Shurpur was killed without any fault.
After Zainul cruelty had touched new heights. Hyder Shah had a trusted barber, Bhratipuran, who used to get the limbs of the people severed. This was a simple affair for him. He had sawed the bodies of Thakkur and other trusted people of Zainul. People, walking on the roads, would be easily hauled up and five to six persons used to be executed at a time. The bodies of Vaidurya and Bhishag were mutilated on charge of being subversives. Many other prominent people including Sheekh and Nonak had to face chopping of their nose, hands and tongue. Terror had gripped people so much that many drowned themselves in Jehlum like Bhim and Jajj who had committed suicide by drowing in the river. The king himself used to encourage these cruel killings. He ordered killing of Hassan and others. They should be brought tactfully and killed. Hassan, who had organised the coronation of the king, Mer Kak and five-six persons were sitting on costly seats waiting for the regal orders. That very time the king ordered their killing. When Ahmed, known for his erudition and good qualities, was writing in the palace, he was killed suddenly. His body was not handed over to his family members. These unclaimed bodies were carried to the foot of a mountain where they were buried during the night. (Rajtarangini-2: 466-47, 48-50, 53, 47, 78, 81, 88, 142).
The Sultan ordered torture af the Hindus. He ordered chopping of the hands and nose of Ajjar, Amar, Budh and other Brahmins. Those days “Bhats”, on seeing the loot of their community, would leave their country and while fleeing they shouted “we are not Bhats, we are not Bhats.” Under the inspiration of foreigners the king ordered desecration and destruction of the idols of prominent deities. Those people who had been given lands by Zainul were deprived of it without any reason. (Rajtarangini-2: 131-127)
Brave Pandits sounded the bugle of struggle
It is worth mentioning here that Hyder Shah ruled Kashmir for only one year. And within this one year he broke all the records of repression. But the common Muslim society did not support his cruelties. Possibly the one-year old good feelings were still alive. Pandits were still occupying key posts. Thus some Pandits dared to sound the bugle of struggle against the in human plans of Hyder Shah. But this revolt was crushed with strength.
A Muslim historian Hassan has written that when the cup of patience of Pandits overbrimmed, they together revolted. These angry Pandits set ablaze those mosques which had been built by Sikander out of the debris of the destroyed temples. I With the power of the sword this revolt was crushed. Innumerable people were drowned in the river and there was none to stop the loot and killings.
Only those people could save themselves who either fled, or went into hiding or adopted Islam or became obedient servants of the Sultan and lived an ignominious life after paying taxes. But during the time of Hyder Shah the practice of religious conversion was confined to some big cities like Srinagar only. Hindus and Muslims continued to live in love in the villages. This tussle remained confined to the upper class of Hindus and Muslims because its main aim was to dislodge Hindus from the key posts. But Hindus too became victim of this loot, plunder, struggle and massacre. During this one year 24,000 Hindus had been converted to Islam, Brotherhood and mutual love that had been established during the reign of Zainul were completely destroyed. Kidnapping of Hindu women, their rape and their killing had become a daily routine. The exodus of Hindus from Kashmir started again.
Impact of the call of Islamic doctrines
After Hyder Shah’s one year of cruel rule, Hassan Khan (1475 A.D.) ocoupied the throne. Hassan Khan, a lover of music, took the reigns of the Government in his hands and revived all the civilised and cultural traditions of the period of Zainul. He was also a scholar of Sanskrit language. He had deeply studied and understood the Hindu life philosophy. He, therefore, got run centres of Sanskrit and art and schools for the promotion of culture.
But despite all these works he became a victim of a horrible conspiracy. Hassan Khan was a great boozer. He used to booze and enjoy the dance of dancers in the music concert throughout the night. He would, because of these engagements, devote a little time towards the administration. Taking advantage of this weakness of the king of the Syeds raised their head again. The drunkard king had no strength to crush the poisonous fangs of the snake like Syeds. These very Syeds prepared a Muslim class in the administration which was entrusted with the task of carrying out religious conversion of Hindus in the absence of the Sultan. These Syeds were foreigners. They had no link with Kashmir. Their only aim was to force Hindus to adopt Islam. They started preparing Hassan Khan for perpetrating atrocities on Hindus in the name of Islamic principles. One famous Syed, Nasira, married his daughter with the Sultan. And now onwards the Syeds started playing political dice on the level of the relation between the son-in-law and the the father-in-law.
The Sultan continued to get entrapped in their tricks and the Syeds got an opportunity to enjoy hegemony in the state administration. According to Dr. Raghunath Singh, cruelty further intensified during the period of Hassan Shah. Hassan Shah gouged out the eyes of Bahram Khan, son of Zainul. First his eyes were covered with cotton and later red hot iron rods were pierced through his eyes. Shrivar feels incapable of giving an account of pain Bahram Khan suffered. Inspired by the torture and death of Abhimanyu, Hassan Shah had ordered removing of the eyes of Bahram Khan. The same torture of Abhimanyu became an object of misfortune for the Sultan who was arrested. (Rajtarangini-3: 107-109 and 130-133)
It was a simple routine for keeping anyone in the prison. Out of anger Sultan Hassan sent Avtar Singh and others to the jail without any trial and justice. Many prominent citizens became victim of the anger of the Sultan and were jailed and later their eyes were gouged out. After two years’ of imprisonment they too were killed like Bahram Khan. Yusuf was the son of Bahram Khan who was innocent. He was jailed because of his father and an account of being a man from the royal dynasty. Even being innocent he was killed. Officers and ministers too would be jailed without any thought. (Rajtaragini – 3 :100,131, 135, 399)
Loot of wealth and property was a routine affair. On getting dissatisfied the Sultan would grab wealth and property of his ministers, associates and beloved ones anv day without anr reason or thought. The Sultan was not responsible for anyone. He was without any restraint. The ministers too would behave without any self-restraint. Suspicious people and those who opposed them were immediately banished. (Rajtarangini-3: 148, 155)
The Hindus were so much terrorised by the atrocities ordered by Sultan Hassan Khan, under the influence of the Syeds, that they thought it better to migrate from Kashmir. And those who remained in Kashmir shaved off their tuft of hair and removed their sacred thread after tearing it. Hindu customs, religious functions and prayers were being performed within the four walls of their houses. Tormented and victimised Hindus inflicted wounds on the nose and ears of their daughters so that their ugly village would save them from the evil designs of the Sultans and their henchmen.
Influential Muslim sardars revolted
The strength of the Syeds was so large that they increased the pace of religious conversion. Hindus would be forcibly dragged out oftheir houses and beef was stuffed in their mouths to pollute their religion. These inhuman plans and activities generated anger among the Hindus but besides this number of influential Muslim sardars and leaders of Muslim organisations were also annoyed over these inhuman actions of the Syeds. They protested against it. As a result of this terrorisrn generated by the Syeds, a section of Hindus and Muslims decided to revolt against the Sultan. Their representatives succeeded in establishing contact with the Sultan.
One big General, Jehangir Mage, whose strength had been cut asunder by the Syeds, managed to reach the King. He told the king candidly that these Syeds had been once banished but had been recalled. He told the King “you have yourself invited this curse to this peaceful state… In the hope of support the Turks have given additional encouragement to the Syeds. And one should always beware of them. They are as much desirous of power as the kite is greedy of flesh. My Lord, it is not proper to discard other goals by clinging to one side .. I am going away in the interest of the security and protection of the state and of you. The country has been ruined but you should try to protect yourself”.
The same Jehangir assumed the leadership of those local Muslims who had started a revolt against the dictatorial bigotry of the king and collected some companies of soldiers in his areas of influence and left the capital of the state so that appropriate action was launched at opportune time.
Apart from the foreign Syeds and some local Muslims there was one third political force of the Chhak community which enjoyed hegemony in Kashmir. When during the time of King Sehdev, Rinchan from Tibet and Shahmir from Turkey had come to Kashmir, at that very time one Muslim sardar, Lankar, Chhakya, also had reached Kashmir from the nearby Persian territory. At that time this community got no opportunity for creating some area of influence in Kashmir. By having stayed in Kashmir for a long time they had mingled with the life style of Kashmir. Taking advantage of the atmosphere of anarchy in the state the Chhaks, known for their fighting valour, mustered courage and jumped into the revolt against the Syeds and their atrocities on the people.
Hindus suffered more in this revolt
Though the Pandits tried to keep themselves away from this revolt, the flames of this rebellion hit them hard. With the full support of the King, Syeds crushed the revolt through many inhuman and terrorist plans. They would enter the houses of Pandits and stay there for many days for forcing them to accepted religious conversion. Consumption of liquor and perpetrating atrocities on those women were a daily routine. In the houses of Pandits their lands were grabbed and their occupation too was farcibly taken away. One Vaishnavi Brahmin, “Muni”, with the help of his associates, opposed these Syeds and their terrorist friends. With courage and determination these religious and patriotic youths faced the terrorists. But they were very small in number and were crushed by the huge and cruel strength of the Government. The houses of these nationalist people were destroyed and their women were made victims of their lust. Many were forcibly kidnapped by these inhuman bigots and others consumed poison or jumped into the river or well to commit suicide.
The entire era is full of struggles, conspiracies and intrigues. The state administration was totally disturbed by the continued armed campaigns launched by different tribes, different groups of powerful courtiers, ruling and the opposition sides in order ta assume power. King after king assumed power forcibly. Syeds, Dhars, Magri and Chhak communities openly participated in these political conspiracies. Among the foreign powers two groups were strong and influential. First was the Chhak group which adopted Shia sect and other group was of the Syeds who usually were Sunni Muslims. Kashmir Pandits had to suffer tribulations because of the conflict between the Chhaks and the Syeds. The sagas of atrocities committed by the Syeds have been mentioned in earlier chapters. In the same way the Chhaks ruled Kashmir for 33 years.
Atrocities of Chhak rulers
These Chhak rulers too left no stone unturned in looting and destroying Kashmiri Pandits. They forced them to migrate from Kashmir and carried out their conversion to Islam. The three main rulers, Qazi Chhak, Mhussainshah Chhak and Alishah Chhak, adopted painful means for converting a major chunk of the Hindu population irto the Shia sect.
According to Justice Kilam, in his book “The History of Kashmiri Pandit”, under the orders of the Chhak rulers 1,000 cows would be slaughtered daily without any opposition. He has written that Brahmins were subjected to force like an eclipsed sun. They lost their means of livelihood. Like the musk deer the Brahmins too became rare in the country. After the banishment Brahmins had to remain alert and at times they were made an object of hatred and ridicule.
During the rule of the Chhaks the Brahmins were subjected to special pressures. They had to pay for performing their religious customs. The house in which lived a family of charactered Brahmin had to pay a yearly gift to the king for preserving his sect. Every Brahmin was supposed to present 40 precious stones (emerald and diamonds) to the king annually for the preservation of their sacred thread. Good Brahmins had left the country. Weak Brahmins had relinquished their sect.
Converted Moosa Raina increased pace of conversion
In this era of uncertainty and disturbances Fateh Shah too ruled Kashmir. Prior to the Mughal rule, he was the last Sultan to occupy the throne of Kashmir. During his time a follower of Shia sect and a Muslim religious preacher, Shams-ud-Din Iraqi came to Kashmir. With him came many fundamentalist Muslim Mullahs and Molvis. Fateh Shah himself was a strong Muslim fundamentalist. The work for converting Hindus into Muslims had his backing and protection. During this period one converted Muslim, Moosa Raina, who had fled to a foreign land during the conflict with the Syeds, returned to Kashmir. He gave a full display of his anti-national attitude. With the help of Moosa the Shia Preacher, Shams-ud-Din, set up a new record in the annihilation of Hindus.
Mohd. Din Fak has written in his “History of Kashmir” that the Shia preacher, Shams-ud-Din Iraqi, along with Moosa Raina returned with added vigour and feeling for religious preaching in Kashmir. When peaceful means of educating people failed, force was used. Though Fateh Shah was a Sunni Muslim, it is said many Sunni Muslims were forced to accept Shia sect and many were killed. But Pandits became the main target of his wickedness. Many were killed. Innumerable Pandits had to fled from Kashmir.
About 28,000 Pandits were forcibly converted into to Shia sect. The property of the Hindus was confiscated. Those who were allowed to live had to pay taxes imposed by Moosa Raina.
The same Moosa Raina had besides providing financial assistance to Shams-ud-Din gifted his land to him. In order to utilise the influence and power of Moosa Raina Shams-ud-Din had given full patronage and encouragement to Raina. He held a meeting with Fateh Shah where it was decided to take full advantage of this anti-nationalist. Sultan Fateh Shah appointed Moosa Raina as his Prime Minister. Power hungry and a wolf in the guise of man Moosa Raina, on assuming the seat of the Prime Minister, directed the sharp edge of his dagger towards Hindus. This demon got scholastic and influential Hindus killed under his supervision. For the purpose of destroying temples he formed a gang under the leadership of one quarrelsome Chhak, which was given arms for eliminating Hindu families and for destroying Hindu temples and schools. And while tolerating terrific pains and miseries some Hindus grouped under the leadership of a Pandit scholar, Nirmal Kant, and sent a delegation to Moosa Rsina. All the requests and appeals of the delegation fell on the deaf ears.
Their implorings and appeals had not only humiliated them but all of them were arrested because it was no use to plead in front of a cruel ruler like Fateh Shah, clever and diplomat like Shams-ud-Din and heartless Prime Minister like Moosa Raina. All of them were jailed and were forced to die out of hunger. This era, thus, became a tainted page in the black history of Kashmir.
Comment by NIMESH — September 25, 2008 @ 6:29 am
Just read the trash written above under the heading of ‘Behind the scene’ you will feel as if all the ‘ANTI HINDUS’, ‘COMMUNISTS’, ‘PSEUDOINTELLECTUALS’, are singing a chorus song in support of ‘ISLAMIC BROTHERHOOD’ – almost falsifying systematic, barberic and planned erosion of these cultures from their own motherland in the name of ‘ISLAMIC BROTHERHOOD’ – starting first with forced conversion and changing demography of the region, than destroying their places of worships, and than claiming political hold over the regions, and making fun of this by saying -’genocide involved not more than 100 people dead as per official data released by home ministry.’ the torture kashmiri pundits have faced since last 800 years, the inhumane condition in which they live today, is not enough for this beloved ‘BROTHER OF ISLAM’. They did this in Persia(Iran), and did this in Afganistan, in Mesopatemia(Iraq)in Sindh, etc.. and they have done this in Kashmir, cultural cleansing of natives and imposing an ARABIC ISLAMIC CULTURE. Just try to read between the lines what is written here by this ‘Behind the scene’ – ‘The majority of the population is composed of scheduled tribes (gujjar & bakerwals) non-scheduled tribes fighting for their scheduled tribe status (paharis) scheduled castes (harijan) and other ethnic and racial groups like Kashmiri, Sikhs, pothoharies, and punjabies etc.Even on religious lines the region is anything but a monolith. We have Hindus, Muslims, Sikhs, Christians and Buddhists in the population. On the basis of geography and climatic zones again the region shows extreme diversity. Languages, culture, customs every area of human activity is marked by differences and these differences can neither be surmounted nor ignored’ – the real intention is to divide us on the line of castes, on the line of geographical diversity, a similar line was taken by BRITISHORS against majority whose religion took birth and got nurtured in INDIA, to weaken their movement for their rightful claim on INDIA. We have to be cautious of such CHAMELEONS, and if possible first crush them.
Comment by NIMESH — September 25, 2008 @ 7:51 am
Neha Madam,
Can you please explain to me what is SHIV LING and why you worship it?????
Comment by ZH — October 4, 2008 @ 9:18 am
The legend of Shiva Linga or Lingodbhavamurthy is deeply related to Mahashivaratri. The legend narrates the story of vain search by Brahma and Vishnu to discover the Aadi (beginning) and the Antha (end) of Lord Shiva. The legend thus proves the supremacy of Lord Mahadeva over other Hindu Gods and explains why the lingam is believed to be one of the most potent emblems in Hindu ideals. The story is stated in the three of the puranas – the Kurma Purana, the Vayu Purana and Shiva Purana
The Legend
According to Puranas, once the other two of the triads of Hindu Gods, Brahma and Vishnu were fighting over each other’s prowess. Horrified at the intensity of the battle, the other gods asked Shiva to intervene. To make them realize the futility of their fight, Lord Shiva assumed the form of a flaming Linga in between Brahma and Vishnu and challenged both of them by asking them to measure the gigantic Linga (phallic symbol of Lord Shiva).
Awestruck by its magnitude, Brahma and Vishnu decided to find one end each to establish supremacy over the other. Lord Brahma took the form of a swan and went upwards while Lord Vishnu assumed the form of Varaha – a boar and went into the earth towards nether land. Both searched for thousands of miles but neither could find the end.
On his journey upward, Brahma came across Ketaki flower. Exhausted and bewildered with his search to find the uppermost limit of fiery column, Brahma made Ketaki assent to lie that he had seen the top of the column where the flower had previously resided. Accompanied by his accomplice, Brahma confronted Vishnu and asserted that he had indeed discovered the origin of the cosmic column.
At this point, the central part of the pillar split open and Shiva revealed himself in his full glory. Overawed, both Brahma and Vishnu bowed before him accepted lord Shiva’s supremacy. Lord Shiva also explained to Brahma and Vishnu that both of them were born out of him and that the three were then separated out into three different aspects of divinity.
However, Lord Shiva was angry with Brahma for making a false claim. The Lord cursed Brahma that no one would ever pray to him. (This legend explains why there is hardly any Brahma temple of significance in India.) Lord Shiva also punished the Ketaki flower for testifying falsely and banned her from being used as an offering for any worship.
Since it was on the 14th day in the dark fortnight of the month of Phalguna that Shiva first manifested himself in the form of a Linga, the day is extremely auspicious and is celebrated as Mahashivaratri – the grand night of Shiva. To celebrate the occasion, devotees of Lord Shiva fast during the day and pray to the Lord throughout the night. It is said that worshipping of Lord Shiva on Shivaratri bestows one with happiness and prosperity.
Comment by Rahul Koul — October 4, 2008 @ 9:34 am
ZH,
Now can you tell us why did Muhammad (PBUH) marry a six year old girl Aisha ?
I am eager to know.
Rahul
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editor can we please delete such comments from the blog …
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