Demystified Myths -Jammu Agitation
It was a friend from UK who wrote a mail to me and suggesting that “violence against Muslims in Jammu” should be stopped as it would further alienate the Muslims. It made me wonder of of how successful the separatists , politicians of Kashmir and the pseudo seculars of India have been to spread a disinformation campaign which would only hurt the genuine sentiments of people of Jammu. This disinformation campaign is a result of centuries of slavery syndrome the Hindu Indians have , having been slaves of Moguls and Afghans for many centuries,and till today the appeasement is carried on.
Myth-1 : Jammu Agitation for transfer of Amarnath land is communal
The fact remains that Muslim’s of Jammu are supporting the Shri Amarnath Sangarsh Samiti in the agitation and in last 40 days of the agitation not a single Muslim has either been attacked or hurt in Jammu.
All Muslim Jammu Federation issued a statement in which Mr.Abdul Majid their leader stated ““We want to make it clear that Hindus in Jammu have not targeted Muslims.”, while as his colleague and district vice president Chaudhary Bahddrudin Bhatti said,” there are no reports of any Muslims being killed in the ongoing agitation.” [ Indian Express ]
Tahir Nadir,Imam of Jama Masjid at Khatikan Talab,Said: “I got calls from various places, including Kashmir, asking about attacks on Muslims. I told them that all these are rumours and we are safe here.
Meanwhile Jammu Shia federation leader Aashiq Hussain has congratulated people of Jammu for maintaining peace and harmony.
“There is no question of leaving Jammu. Nobody has attacked us. These are rumours being spread by some vested interests. Jammu has been a perfect example of communal harmony. We were offered refuge when our own people in Kashmir disowned us”, Abdul Hameed, a Kashmir migrant, said. [ The Tribune ]
Abdul said: “All Kashmiri Muslims who migrated to Jammu were against armed insurgency in the valley. We protested against the exodus of Kashmiri Pandits. However, the extremists started targeting us”. [ The Tribune ]
As Jammuwalla puts it “People of Jammu are not against the Kashmiris or Muslims or Kashmiriyat, but they are dead against the politics of imperialism practiced by Muftis, Abdullahs and the ilk“
It is a well known fact that terrorists and their supporter separatists leaders which happen to be from even many main stream political parties have spread this disinformation campaign of communal violence to justify the continued violence against Hindu minorities in Kashmir region.
Myth – 2 : There is/was a economic blockade for Kashmir by Jammuites
It was interesting to see insignificant leaders like Sajjad Lone suddenly get prominence on National TV and he used every opportunity to give ,what comes natural for a Kashmiri separatist, a false sob sob story to the world that there is a economic blockade in Kashmir. The same was followed by other separatist leaders like Mehbooba Mufti and Mirwaiz Omar Farroq and they went on to narrate of how baby milk and medicines are in great shortage in Kashmir.
The fact remains that there was a traffic disruption for few days right there at Lakhinpur /Madhovpur border of Jammu/Punjab because of which the supplies were delayed by few days . Now this Lakhinpur is an entry for Jammu region through which the supplies travel to Kashmir and Ladakh by road. If the supplies were stranded at Lakhnipur border , the people of jammu and Ladakh were as much affected by it as were the cry babies from Kashmir region. However as ever the separatists and their pseudo secular friends friends from India chose to debate the word called “economic blockade to valley.”
As on today the separatist leaders continue to tell the world that there is a economic blockade for the valley while the fact remains that there is no economic blockade.
“…..The home ministry on Wednesday released figures countering the claim of agitationists in the Valley about the economic blockade and arguing that truckers and unions of fruit growers openly aligned with Hurriyat were also engaged in myth-making about the blockade……Referring to the stranded trucks in the Valley, an official said a fleet of them actually belonged to one individual known for his close affiliation with Hurriyat. The transporter refused to move his vehicles towards Jammu despite the promise of full security cover along the route…………….. [ Times Of India ]
This myth about so called economic blocakde has already been covered by “thekashmir” earlier . Also check All Politics, No BlockadeAccording to official reports till 14th August in last 12 days, 9000 trucks carrying fruits, vegetables ,medicines etc have reached the valley.As Kulwant Singh a truck driver states “There is no blockade,everything is just fine” Read the complete report HERE
Liar Media
Media, i wonder if they know the facts about topography of Jammu & Kashmir and if they know,they still do not care to educcate the people about the facts. The fact remains that ,contrary to most reports in the media, Jammu & Kashmir (J&K) is not a state where only Kashmiri Muslims live. It is a multi-ethnic, multi-religious state with 64% Muslims, 33% Hindus, and 3% Buddhists, Sikhs, Christians and others. There are three distinct geographical regions – Ladakh (with 58% of the area, and 3% of the population), Jammu (26% area, 45% population) and Kashmir (16% area, 52% population: of which over 90 % of the region’s minorities, i.e. 3% of the state’s total population have been driven out). The primary languages of Ladakh are Ladakhi and Balti, of Jammu: Dogri, and of Kashmir: Kashmiri. In addition, Gujari, Pahari, Punjabi, Shina and various dialects and mixed languages are also spoken by different ethnic groups within the state.[a]
While as the puedo secular and appeasement of the separatist continues ,certain section of media do not wish to be left behind to defame the Jammu agitation and labeling it as communal and anti muslim . An interesting example is a picture which has appeared in Indian Express with the tag line written as “A gujjar Muslim lady sitting before her burnt house in Jourian, Akhnoor.” Now have a look at the picture to which the tag line was attributed and pls make me figure out the burnt house !!!!
isn’t it the same UK, from where the religious donation(zakat) came to fund serial bombings in India ?
UK is extremely leftist and out of touch from reality …..
PM
August 15, 2008 at 6:32 am
Ho Ho Ho!!
Go man check the statements made by BJP leaders few days back,regarding the economic blockade.
Bloody Liars.
SY
August 15, 2008 at 7:38 am
I think you are deaf.go see the video or press statement of your. Mr.Khajuria.
AJ
August 15, 2008 at 7:42 am
Television Channels in India, NDTV, CNN IBN et al, they need to be educated about the real situation and the core issues, most of u wud agree that most of the times these channels call selective people, mostly valley politicians and sepratists leaders to speak up for the issue of Kashmir, and almost all the time they end up speaking same things… they make statements like “What is N.Delhi Doing”,”Why dosent GOI think about the kashmiri sentiments” and all that crap…and these channels they allow them to do so…. never have i seen these channels calling people from Jammu or Leh or representatives from Kashmiri Pandits….even though they are called sometimes they are never given a good chance to make their point….never…
We have this annaul India Today Conclave, we call Yasin Malik to teach us world peace…and we allow that…and he always end up bashing India… why do we allow this..why cant our media be un baised and not be too emotional towards kashmiri spokspersons…for past 20 yrs they ahve been towing the same line, they always say same things….
Now for econominc blockade, fools are those who are trying to make a issue out of this…in fact the economic blockade is other way around…. no Indian is free to do anykind of trade in Kashmir….no Indian can setup a business in Kashmir, no Indian can buy a pcs of land in Kashmir… on the contrary Kashmiris go to all the best Indian Schools and colleges, no one has ever disallowed them that, Kashmiri Shawl sellers travel to far off indian cities and do good business….Kashmiri Carpet makers have shops in every big mall all over India…. where is the enocomic blockade….Army Helicopters and transport planes are used to carry material to Kashmir when the national highway is closed in winter…where is the blockade…
Media is giving unnecessary publicity to foolish people from Kashmir and they take full advantage of that… who is Sajid Lone to propose solution for kashmir( he had actually came up with one, and english channels had called him on prime time to discuss that)….. why do we give so much of importance to Umar Farooq…. he has been speaking same things since the time he became Mirwiz… 16 yrs back…we all are sick of hearing Farooq Abdullah now….
Why have we never seen anyone from Jammu till now and now when Jammu has made presence fealt, we are seeing MR Sharma everywhere on national Media…why now…why dont we invite organozations like Roots in Kashmir to debate what is going on and also Panun Kashmir…
VR
August 15, 2008 at 7:43 am
http://www.mirrorofkashmir.com/head17.html
Jammu: Leaders of chamber of commerce and industries besides the traffic authorities have claimed that over 1000 trucks,loaded with consumer items,including chicken and mutton,have reached Srinagar during the last four days.They said that another fleet of 250 trucks were to reach Srinagar within next 24 hours.
The Chamber leaders have made it clear that the flow of goods to Srinagar has been on a higher scale than to Jammu.They said as a result of poor arrival of truck loads of consumer items retaliers and wholesalers in Jammu have exhausted their stocks.
The traffic authorities said that after the Jammu-Srinagar highway was handover to the Army the movement of trucks improved from Lakhanpur to Srinagar.They said that the fleet of trucks,carrying consumer items,were moving on the highway under adewqute security cover provided by the troops.
Meanwhile,Chief of Amarnath Sangarsh SamitiLeela Karan, has given a lie to the campaign in kashmir that the Samiti had ordered economic blockaded on the valley.He has said that the Samiti had never given a call for economic blockade.
The BJP leaders,including Prof.Hari Om,have said that separatists had launched a campaign against what they call economic blockade.They said this campaign had one purpose for seeing Srinagar-Muzaffarabad road to get reopened for trade.(KIP)
Editor
August 15, 2008 at 7:50 am
To all KP’s ,
Bear one thing in mind that G.O.I. is ready to sacrifice Hundreds of Jammu’s (2 and a half districts exactly) and many more KP’s to Kashmir. The lucid example is the Muthi and the Pokhroo camps of KP’s, which has no doubt decome the Brothels, where Gupta’s and Sharma’s come to assuage the feelings of the KP’s.
Now go to the below mentioned news item:
Frontpage
Highway blockade pushes travelers to Mughal road
Bottomline
SHAFIQ MIR
Rajouri, Aug 10: The highway blockade enforced by the Jammu-based extremist organizations has forced the people to use Mughal road by foot ahead of the historic link being thrown open for vehicular traffic by the government.
Though the road is yet to be completed and thrown open to traffic, the people of Rajouri and Poonch have started traveling by foot on the link instead of taking the risk of traveling on the Banihal highway since its blockade by fanatics.
This correspondent traveled 83 km long Mughal road from Shopian to Bafliaz by foot between 8th and 10th of this month and found that people were happy to travel by foot on the road for which they have been praying for decades together.
Haji Muhammad Hafiz, a 70 year old resident of Kotli Kalaban in the border district Rajouri, who, along with a group of nine people, met this correspondent near Aliabad fort, said that after waiting for about a week for the opening of Jammu–Srinagar highway, he decided to go to Kashmir through Mughal road by foot instead of taking any risk on the Banihal highway.
“I decided to travel through this link because the communal elements have blocked Jammu- Srinagar highway and are targeting the people on selective basis. Since the blockade, people of Rajouri and Poonch have started traveling through Mughal road”, Hafiz said.
Shazia Akhter of Mendhar tehsil of the border district of Poonch, carrying her one-year old female baby in her lap, was also traveling with another group on their way back homes from valley.
“I was in the valley for the past 15 days with my husband who is serving there. Now I am going back home all alone and I feel no insecurity on traveling through this route without any male family member,” Shazia said, adding that the road was much safer in every respect and needed to be completed with a sense of urgency to provide a dependable alternative route to the people living on either side of Pir Panchal.
Arguing about the safety any security of the Mughal road, Shazia said “You can imagine the security of this route when a woman along with a one- year old baby in her lap travels through it without the company of any male family member.”
These are no isolated cases. For the past one week, movement of people, particularly those hailing from Rajouri and Poonch border district, has increased a great deal on this road.
Traveling by foot on the 87-km stretch of the Mughal road between Shopian and Bafliaz, this correspondent found that about 70 km is motorable and the work is in progress on the rest of the patch except at least three bridges yet to be constructed. From Shopian side, though the vehicles are plying on the road up to Jajji Nar, a nullah near Aliabad Mughal fort. From the other side, vehicles carrying picnic parties and trips are plying up to Chattapani .
Only 13 km stretch still needs earth work for which the machinery is on move. Talking to Greater Kashmir mear Jajji Nar, Abdul Rashid Khan, a contractor deployed by HCC from Shopian side, said he would connect this road within three months if everything goes well. He said due to the non availability of the fuel required for the machinery for the past 15 days, the work had been affected adding that once the fuel reaches, the work would proceed with full speed again.
HAKIM PARVEZ
August 15, 2008 at 10:24 am
Dear KP’s
Another gory tale of KP “Goebalism”. Read it and you will still not beieve.
Also go thru Yesterday’s (14th August) Editorial In Times Of India, Indian Express, Guardian.
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Chemists, hospitals running short of drugs, X-ray films
NASEER A GANAI
Srinagar, Aug 9: Shanawaz Ahmad works as salesperson with the Prime Medicate Lal Chowk. Today he was more interesting in watching police firing tear smoke shells on protesters in Maisuma in Lal Chowk then selling medicine.
“There has been slump in the trade due to the economic blockade and 75 customers here have to return without getting medicine,” Shanawaz aid.
“The position is really dismal,” agrees Sajjad Ahmad, president Kashmir Pharma Association. Sajjad says he was optimistic about the drug availability but after visit to stockiest’s he is concerned.
“There is far less stock available with the drug dealers and some drugs have gone out of market,” says Sajjad. Presently stocks of anti-epileptic, post-kidney transplant, anti-cancer, anti-diabetic drugs and other essential drugs are running out of the market.
About 75 per cent of the drugs consumed in the state are being taken in Kashmir alone but ironically all the offices of big companies, which are selling drugs in Kashmir, have offices in Jammu. “So as long as situation continues to remain abnormal in Jammu, Kashmir would continue to suffer,” says Sajjad.
However, he said the crises have given Kashmiri dealers an opportunity to think on long-term basis. “If the market is in Kashmir why the companies have offices in Jammu. They should place their agents where the consumption is more,” says Sajjad.
The drug dealers too are not happy with the situation.
Nisar Ahmad of Gelan Agency says that for last 20 days he has not received any major consignment from outside. Ashiq Rasool, whose family is in the trade for last four decades, describes present situation worse. He says for last 15 days he has not got a single consignment from Chandigarh and Jammu. Ashiq who runs K S Traders said that if the blockade continues, the situation would be alarming.
The condition in hospitals is not hopeful either. Sources said in SKIMS, X-rays films were not available. Sources said that X-rays films were brought from Chandigarh in an ambulance for the SMHS hospital today.
“God forbid, if there would be any natural disaster, it would end everything,” said a senior doctor on condition of anonymity.
Some international aid agencies, including Action Aid had asked the government that they would lift the medicine from different parts of India for hospitals and districts hospitals.
However, sources said directorate of health services earlier agreed but then they had changed thought. Sources said the directorate presents rosy picture of the situation so that donor agencies should not come here with the aid.
However, director health denies that any international agencies had approached him. He says the department would bring X-ray films by air and the process would start from tomorrow. He said he has no information about the chemists but his department has stocks available to meet the requirement.
HAKIM PARVEZ
August 15, 2008 at 10:37 am
You Parish Pagans,
More storie’s to belly your blog.
Frontpage
Jalandhar to Srinagar in 19 days
Trucker belies Govt claim on blockade
FAHEEM ASLAM
Srinagar, Aug 14: Blasting the government claims that there was no blockade to the Valley as trucks were moving freely along the highway from Srinagar to Lakhanpur, a truck from Jalandhar reached Srinagar after spending 19 days on the highway due to the blockade.
Here is the story: The truck No. (PB08-0997) left Jalandhar on July 25 after it was loaded with medical supplies to the SMHS hospital here.
The truck driver, Avtar Singh, said as the truck reached Lakhanpur, police stopped him from proceeding toward Jammu citing “attack by mobs on the highway” as the reason. “I spent three days and two nights at Lakhanpur. On the fourth day, police asked me to proceed during the night,” Singh told Greater Kashmir while unloading the supplies at the SMHS hospital on Thursday.
The truck was loaded with medical supplies including some vital drugs and surgical essentials.
“After leaving Lakhanpur, I was stopped again on the Samba-Udhampur highway on the ground that mobs were throwing petrol bombs along the road,” the visibly fatigued Singh said. “At this spot, we spent six days.”
Singh said he had to again spend four days at different places along the Srinagar-Jammu highway after the authorities didn’t permit him to proceed. “When we crossed the Banihal tunnel after 12 days, the police and Army officials on duty barred us from proceeding toward Sriangar and asked us to move back,” Avtar Singh said. “We moved 12 kms back from the tunnel and spent four more days there. But we got a message to move to Srinagar as the SMHS authorities had called some higher ups to ensure free movement of our truck.”
The ordeal for Singh, however, didn’t end here. “We were promised adequate security up to Srinagar, but the police party escorting us left us at Qazigund. We stopped there for a night,” Avtar said. “In the morning on Wednesday, I saw the Army convoy heading for Srinagar. I managed to put my vehicle in between the convoy and reached Srinagar. But I will never forget the ordeal.”
Avtar asserted that five to six trucks carrying medical supplies are still stranded on the highway. “The trucks carry medical supplies for SKIMS and Children Hospital,” he said. “But they are not able to proceed as the authorities are not allowing their movement towards Srinagar.”
HAKIM PARVEZ
August 15, 2008 at 10:44 am
LOL … BTW, the Gujjar Muslim womens picture reminds me of ‘Islamic rage boy’ of kashmir
http://www.slate.com/id/2169020/fr/rss/
PM
August 15, 2008 at 11:14 am
# HAKIM PARVEZ
>> You Parish Pagans,
was just thinking, who is more paganic in todays world… Islamist or the Kuffar’s ….
anyways it sounds like you are loosing your digestion HAKIM sahab, should i send a ayurvedic doctor to treat you ?
PM
August 15, 2008 at 11:16 am
From Frontpage …
Guys what you think about Islamofascism awareness week in indian campuses ?
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=B8C058A7-2423-4C6E-B15C-84A7ABEDEB09
Thanks HAKIM PARVEZ for pointing frontpage
PM
August 15, 2008 at 11:19 am
@hakeem
whatever you n other traitors the shawnawz, the faheem, the ashiq and others(doctor at skims), baised Greateqkashmir has to say to justify the economic blockade you can but the world is not blind the ground realities is that there is no economic blockade and the official figures say it all but how come you all traitors will believe Govt. coz you don’t consider india as your country.
Let me show you, kashmiris ugly face Mehbooba who has Indian commodos as her personel guards and whos house is securd by CRPF personel who moves only when she has CRPF fleet, use govt. Vehicle, govt petrol still demostrates against INDIA and indian forces. Asks for withdrawl of forces from kashmir. Some one say her let she remove all her security first and take a walk without all of them in Lal Chowk if she survivs after that i think its ok to remove forces frm kashmir.
Jai Hind
August 15, 2008 at 12:42 pm
Dear Jai Hind/PM bla bla bla,
I am reiterating that India can sacrifice Hundreds of Jammu’s and KP’s for Kashmir.
Though i don’t toe to the line of Mehbooba neither i would defend her in any forum but making a demo with the Commando’s, she definitely is proving a point that India needs Kashmiri’s only with it.
You are just like a non existant District… and India has umpteen number of Districts like Jammu in N-E and South….
Come you your senses. Had India wanted you had you still been living in the Muthi and Pokhroo Camps and getting paid as migrants (beggars) in all the parts of India.
Where is your pseudo prestige and the Baradari and your emanciapated and liberated class which doesn’t come to the rescue of the dewellers in Muthi, etc.
HAKIM PARVEZ
August 15, 2008 at 1:37 pm
#HAKIM PARVEZ
sorry, but you seems to be a creature who think that he is surving on other side of moon, and thus entire earth has to accept the bigotry of these moon-worshiping morons under political correctness…
you stand is that India can sacrificed Hundreds of Jammu’s and KP’s for Kashmir, In international level Muslims claim that Jews sacrificed themselves in Nazi Germany to get israel and control the world… but reality is that you Mohammedians are living not on moon, but in ass of this world, where you smells even the well served truth in form of spoiled gas deformed by thousands of conspiracy theories …. what left behind is a Islam mind is only a deed of polluting the basic definition of Human dignity by bowing down 5 times a day; perhaps thats why Islam never had contributed anything positive to this world. Forget about political correctness as it comes far more later in democratic structure if compared to the stand of human dignity… in-fact the problem is here Islamic cult (and cult can’t be culture)….
it seems that the way you guys smell each other asses 5 times a day, by now you have became habitual of living in spoiled environment… but we non-Muslims have dignity and respect for human life; go on … ignite more; soon India will stand up and speak what should never be repeated, rather then leftist tone of forgiveness…
today we feel sorry to forgive Islamofacist… you guys collabrated with Nazis, you guys later collabrated in death of millions of Serbs, and even have killed thousands in 1 hour on september-11…. and then ask for a deal to do not speak against it.. like what you did yesterday!!
go on, please a bit more… world should know about faqir of lippi, Islam bibi, Islamic banking , khilafat movement, or even Armenian holocaust, serbian jihad… this all links back to pakistani backed islamofacist…
Last time, world was not prepared to share each other pain… but today world has moved further. world today knows the Muslim just only squeey oil out a topic using their crocodile tears around the globe…. there is hardly any sympathy left for any Muslim crocodile tears…. and why should there be ? should we hindus defend those muslims who calll murderer aurangzeb as alamgir(Conqueror of the Universe) or should we defend those muslims who deny the mass murder of innocent 3000+ americans, but cry foul when a bit less then 1000 muslim became victim of roits that were started by Muslim themselves in Gujarat.
today entire world knows both sides of story… Muslim usually refer non-Muslims as descendant of Monkey and pigs…. but other side of story is that we evolved from monkies… but Muslims have devolved to monkies and pigs, they just need to show them the mirror in danish cartoon form and the dance will be seen from kashmir to kosovo; and New york to New Delhi…..
go and lick your Imam, to ask what should i reply…
PM
August 15, 2008 at 2:18 pm
This is your mental block which makes you speak that India gives priorty to you serpents over jammutians but the fact remains at the same time we feel proud to rule over you illegal creation thats why we don’t let you die as free muslums. But time is reaching when INDIA undrstands that cancer cant be cured but it has to be cut apart and thrown out in guiter where they belong.
Jai Hind
August 15, 2008 at 2:50 pm
Dear PM/ Jai Hind,
I have a treatise of logic at my disposal to prove that the Pandit Baradari is Coward, Psychophants, Hypocrites.
I don’t have any animosity with the Union Of India for unleashing a State of Hobbes State of Nature In Kashmir wherein ” Kill whom you can and take what you can was the only cry in the state of Natrure” as they have a rationale.
What is your rationale or logic for your self imposed Exodus. Did we treat you like the way Germans treated the Jews in the Aushwitz Concentration Camps. Mere killing of 209 Pandits (Please refer to DG- Mr. Kuldeep Khoda) can’t force a community or a nation to have a mass Exodus from the Valley. What was your motive.. To leave us Kashmiri Muslims sojourning to get extincted.
I should and am more than jubiliant to announce that you have lost your Identity as a Nation/ Community by being a Community sans Land. You are now trying to owe the Dogra’s in Jammu by aligning with them and being pivotal as the harbingers of Turmoil. Are not they the same Dogra’s about whom you used to complain that they are skipping with your Panditani’s. Even if you allign ephemerally with them at the moment, do you think that they would trust you still.. They have already got your classification of “Reyands” from us and others. Tell me about your single leader in the S
angharsg Samiti. Yes they are using you by making your Muthi Camp as a leisure place for the Goons from HP nad Punjab and you don’t have any hesitation in assuaging their amhorous physical feelings.
Don’t try to teach me History, as we are not that community of Lacking Grey matter who won’t even hesitate in bowing to the Phallus of Shiova and making the iossue out of the Phallus. Is this your Philosophy, your Religion. You should be ashamed of what unethical and Inhuman Things you are prophessing.
May Almight Allah give you Samaj Bhoj.. Amen…. Athatethsoo
HAKIM PARVEZ
August 15, 2008 at 3:58 pm
Hakim or Hakeem Saeb,
I am not sure if you are a Hakeem or consider yourself to be Hakim but you are a true reflection of what is wrong with your Kashmiriyat. You want to have it both ways. Please do not try to twist facts and provide a convoluted logic. The fact remains that Kashmiri Hindus were forced to leave our homes in 1990 due to threats and selective killings of prominent members of the community. I did not leave because of Jagmohan or anybody else – I left because of a threat that was posted on my office door asking me to leave within 24 hours. My Kashmiri muslim friends with whom I had grown up, suggested that I should leave until things become normal otherwise they cannot assure me of security and I left. Now where is this Jagmohan coming in the picture – I have no clue. This proves the kind of misinformation that has been fed to you. I am not sure if were a witness to the events of Januray 19-20, 1990 when Kashmiri Hindus were asked to chose between “Raley (Convert)” “Chalev (Flee) and “Galev (Perish) and I chose to flee. Now where was Jagmohan involved unless you want to suggest that these slogans were raised at the behest of Jagmohan!
Also, what kind of logic explains that Muftis, Lones and Abdullahs have acquired properties worth crores all over India, but they oppose allocating land for the yatra even on a temporary basis with transferring ownership rights! This heads I win and tails you lose approach has been used by these self-serving politicians for long and unfortunately ordinary Kashmiris pay a very heavy price for that. Muftis, Lones and Abdullahs are provided Z-category security by the Government and ordinary citizen is exposed to all violence. Please try to separate ‘truth’ from ‘trith’ – if you understand what I mean. For me secularism in Kashmir died the night I had to flee Kashmir just because I was a hindu !!! LAST BUT NOT LEAST – HAKIM SAEB – YOU MAY BE FIGHTING FOR YOUR AZAADI, BUT GUESS WHAT? I GOT MY AZAADI FROM YOUR JAHALAT AND LIVING LIKE A SECOND CLASS CITIZEN.
Sangarmaal
August 15, 2008 at 4:57 pm
@Hakeem when you are talking about muthi and phurkho don’nt forget Sabina and all kashmiri girls leaving for college in the morning but landing up in lap of your ministry and beaurocracy somewhere else, that is one of your face where you belong
Jai Hind
August 15, 2008 at 5:14 pm
Hakim: Go take a fart when praying with your ass up. Your fellow worshippers of false Allah will get their high. You green slimes are the curse of this earth. What have you given the world except violence and bombs? In classis Islamic taqiya, you blame the victim (Pandits) for their misery. Grey matter is not something you slimes have. That’s why you talk such rubbish. You goons drove out the Pandits with your threats like “agar Kashmir me rahna hei, to allah ho akbar kahna hei”. And then you have the nerve to blame the Pandits? Get this in your head: “Agar Bharat me rahna hei, to Vande Matarm kahna hei”. The reckoning for you green slimey creatures is coming. Jammu agitation is just the beginning, mark my words you moron.
IndianTiger
August 15, 2008 at 5:38 pm
Kashmiri Muslim = Green PIG
Voice Of Jammu
August 15, 2008 at 6:24 pm
Hakim(G)… u and ur community are very brave, is that what you are trying to say when u make comments about KP’s and call them cowards??, u pcs of shit tell me what bravery have you shown in last 60 yrs…. protesting in Kashmir is what you shit minds can do….and then killed for that..is that what you call bravery… rest of the world calls that insanity…while in mob u act like bullies, but when u are alone u shit in ur pants while dealing with a comman man in rest of India and around world…. u talk to camps in Muthi… at least KP live in freedom… what about u shit heads…. u still live in abject poverty outside srinagar….go have a look at what is happening outside srinagar…how education has suffered…how u guys have ti run to Delhi and Jammu to get urself cured… talk about bravery….bloody you guys beg in rest of India for getting good provisions and getting good life….
Look at KP’s they are economically free… ecnomically brave…and they survive… and then go and look inside ur shit heads… u still are pre-historic…look at ur kashmiri girls when they travel outside srinagar, do you know what they do ??? also why go outside srinagar..u had a big brothel which was run by a muslim women in HabbaKadal….
Pcs of shit dont talka bout bravery…. shouting in srinagar is not bravery, if u r brave go and shout in Jammu…they will beat the shit out of you…
Think about why I put (G) infront of your name…
VR
August 15, 2008 at 8:34 pm
Not the problem of muslims they are taught that way by ISLAm
Muhammad taught them to think with small head rather than the head that has brains…….
they cant answer whether they listen to there conscience or to ISLAM….
what can I say……
In kashmiri they are huuni lat
Kuldeep trisal
Kuldeep Trisal
August 16, 2008 at 1:43 am
Hakim, go screw your yourself. You and your community is deformed because it’s based on a lie. You belive in a GOD who is a rapist, killer, child molester and pathetically ugly; and you call yourself brave and piece loving. You can’t deny any of these things.
Why don’t you just shut the **** up. Why don’t you boycott everything that is Indian? Aren’t you ashmed of calling yourselves freedom fighters. You have no morals and ethics. Use everything Indian but call yourself Pakistani. If your cause is just; you should boycott everything that’s Indian. But tis too much too ask of a parasite like you
AK
August 16, 2008 at 3:37 am
Hakim/David and rest screwballs:
Check this
http://www.faithfreedom.org/Gallery/19.htm
My dog sitting besides stills finds this sexy…… Please put her in a box.
AK
August 16, 2008 at 3:44 am
Hakim(Shit Head)….
Watch this…this is what you called bravery…
http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=8662467646661149069&hl=en
shit heads this should make you feel sick…u sick mind MUSLIMS…
VR
August 16, 2008 at 3:58 am
I’ve been reading these posts and found some quite entertaining as well as enlighting.
My award for best post goes to Mr Hakim (or David or ) where he says something like “For you (Hindus) it is OK if your 12 year old daughter/sister runs off/losses virginity at 12; but will not allow her to be married at 9″
Believe you me and my friends were rolling on carper with laughter on reading this. This is the most immature and absurd thing I’ve heard in ages. A person who’s not passed 2nd stanadard and has the maturity and intelligence of a microbe can make a comment like this.
Mr Hakim/David: Get real kids!!! Go to school and get some basis education. But continue blogging your kiddie stuff; you are hilarious and cute.
I’m not a Kashmiri. But we are all together in this. KPs, Dogras, and rest of India. No matter how hard these shitheads try; we’ll be together.
ABHI
August 16, 2008 at 4:54 am
Hakims and davids vanish when they see me around…….
They cant answer me looks like
any other muslim brother here lets talk if my equation / math is right
muslim-ISLAM=human
Muslim + ISLAM = Terrorist
MUSLIM + ISLAM + Muhammad = Terrorist mulla who is pedophile
Do we agree
Kuldeep Trisal
Kuldeep Trisal
August 16, 2008 at 5:01 am
Kuldeep, they’ll not reply now. They’ve gone to please their peadophile God, as they do 5 times a day.
Muhammad was such a sex pervert that he even asked his followers to bend down and make it easier for him. And they poor stupid followers are doing that ever since.
AK
August 16, 2008 at 5:21 am
Can some muslim help me with this why mohammad bent rule for Aisha his 6 year old beloved wife was it because he looked like her grand father or WHAT??? I am disturbed with this knowledge……
Sahih Bukhari Volume 8, Book 73, Number 151 Narrated ‘Aisha:I used to play with the dolls in the presence of the Prophet, and my girl friends also used to play with me. When Allah’s Apostle used to enter (my dwelling place) they used to hide themselves, but the Prophet would call them to join and play with me. (The playing with the dolls and similar images is forbidden, but it was allowed for ‘Aisha at that time, as she was a little girl, not yet reached the age of puberty.) (Fateh-al-Bari page 143, Vol.13)
Is this the sign of a great prophet? Or is it what a civillised religion or society would refer to as grooming? The luring and brainwashing of a innocent child into acts too sickening to even imagine, well thats up to you to decide!!
Thanks Kuldeep
Kuldeep Trisal
August 16, 2008 at 5:29 am
AK I like the bending part is that really true…… I should dig into quran why they do that any muslims here please help needed by your friends.
Kuldeep Trisal
Kuldeep Trisal
August 16, 2008 at 5:31 am
Pleeeease for God’s sake stop this nonsense. We dont want to be maddened by all the confusion…and please please please stop abusing the religions and prophets. Why have we stooped so low, we need to ask ourselves this question…Please come to senses all of you, matters cannot be solved by abusing and degrading each other…please stop this…these are trying times for all of us, we have to behave maturely.
Trust me while going through some of the comments posted here i too wanted to abuse and speak all nonsense about those who have spoken ill of our Beloved Prophet(PBUH), but i restrained myself, remembering that this will lead us nowhere, except igniting the hatred and animosity. Please guys, i appeal to all of you to please think before you say anything, this can have an impact and flare up the passions unwarranted… please maintain peace and please please please behave DECENTLY!!
maru
Maru
August 16, 2008 at 5:38 am
Maru,
You are a very good person I appreciate you message and respect you…… As far as I am concerned I am only asking the facts and may be you can answer me or help get amswer for me from any muslim if you fail then please help me spread the words of quran as is
are you ready
Thanks
KuldeeP trisal
Kuldeep Trisal
August 16, 2008 at 5:43 am
Following are excerpts from an interview with Dr. Ahmad Al-Mu’bi, a Saudi marriage officiant, which aired on LBC TV on June 19, 2008:
Dr. Ahmad Al-Mu’bi: Marriage is actually two things: First we are talking about the marriage contract itself. This is one thing, while consummating the marriage – having sex with the wife for the first time – is another thing. There is no minimal age for entering marriage. You can have a marriage contract even with a one-year-old girl, not to mention a girl of nine, seven, or eight. This is merely a contract [indicating] consent. The guardian in such a case must be the father, because the father’s opinion is obligatory. Thus, the girl becomes a wife… But is the girl ready for sex or not? What is the appropriate age for having sex for the first time? This varies according to environment and traditions. In Yemen, girls are married off at nine, ten, eleven, eight, or thirteen, while in other countries, they are married off at 16. Some countries have legislated laws forbidding having sex before the girl is eighteen.
The Prophet Muhammad is the model we follow. He took ‘Aisha to be his wife when she was six, but he had sex with her only when she was nine.
Interviewer: When she was six…
Dr. Ahmad Al-Mu’bi: He married her at the age of six, and he consummated the marriage, by having sex with her for the first time, when she was nine. We consider the Prophet Muhammad to be our model.
Interviewer: My question to you is whether the marriage of a 12-year-old boy with an 11-year-old girl is a logical marriage, which is permitted by Islamic law.
Dr. Ahmad Al-Mu’bi: If the guardian is the father… There are two different types of guardianship. If the guardian is the father, and he marries his daughter off to a man of appropriate standing, the marriage is obviously valid.
People find themselves in all kinds of circumstances. Take, for example, a man who has two, three, or four daughters. He does not have any wives, but he needs to go on a trip. Isn’t it better to marry his daughter to a man, who will protect and sustain her, and when she reaches the proper age, he will have sex with her? Who says all men are ferocious wolves?
Kuldeep Trisal
August 16, 2008 at 5:43 am
Dear All,
I was not hiding but waiting for your valued replies to come. A lot have come and i am so happy that i am stronger in my logic and argument as you have not been able to even justify a single of my question. Leave aside justifying, you have not been even able to answer a Single of my question.
I should make a candid confession here that i am a Masocist—- As i am definitely deriving the pleasure out of hurting you KP’s (Now you would start attributing it to Islam) and i promise to hurt you, incessantly, least you say forgive us Parvez.
I can talk and argue more vociferously against your PAGAN Religion but i would desist as ther is no need because you are well aware yourself also as Stones and Idols don’t yield anything and the books written by Gamblers are Comics.. Shown on TV -19 as the best Comic Serial.
Answer me to these questions please:
*Why don’t you pay Income Tax.
*Why do you still live in Muthi & Pokhroo Camps.
*Why do you still que up to beg for the Migrant Fund/ Rice.
*Why do you invite Goons from HP/Punjab and put them in Muthi(To assuage the Panditani’s amhorous feelings).
* Why don’t you join Indian Army.
* How may amongest KP’s have got killed in Jammu Land Transfer Agitation.
* Why isn’t any leader from the KP in the Sangharsh Samiti. Hope you are giving them the Divine Support
HAKIM PARVEZ
August 16, 2008 at 5:55 am
Hello Maru,
This questions is for muslims and I dont want them to agree because it is fact in quran and all muslims accept it. My question is at bottom.
my question is not to slander ISLAM religion but let us follow it with better logic:
muhammads life is the ideal and perfect life says quran am i slandering in ISLAM religion no.
muhammad married aiesha at the age of 6 and consummated her at the age of 9 is this slandering in ISLAM religion no
based on above two extrapolating the facts to yourself:
I am asking will Muslim marry his daughter or sister at age of 6 with the pious 50 year old muslim mulla who lived life exactly like muhammad “as musliman calls perfect” and let him consummate when ur sister/daughter is age of 9. Am I asking muslim something muhammad did not do — NO . Am i slandering muslim religion NO.. it is in ur religion
If muslims think that something is ethically or morally wrong with that , Then question yourself am I better person with ISLAM or without ISLAM. And take the right decision.
LEAVE ISLAM THERE IS THE OPTION TO DO SO –THINK PEOPLE ARE DOING IT.
Kuldeep Trisal
Kuldeep Trisal
August 16, 2008 at 5:57 am
Maru,
I appreciate your call for peace. But then we all have been crying for peace for last 2 decades, to put a stop to the mindless violence, voilence in the name of religion; but all in vain.
Fact, we difuse our frustation through writing; but in Kashmir you actually go and kill people. So decide who must stop.
Another point, you said not to bring religion into it. We might diffuse one situation without talking about religion. But the fact is, terrorsim and Islam are synonimous and a global phenomenon. They feed on each other. Islam is the genesis of all serous terror crimes in the world. You have a problem with everone you are associaed with, be that Jews, Christians, Hindus or Sikhs. You do not know what loyality is, what peace is.
If you give us a concrete answers to the legitimate questions; we’ll stop
AK
August 16, 2008 at 6:06 am
Mr Pawan Durrani.
Is this a Myth or a Reality. Kindly use your Blog Constructively and not for creating the wedge and Disharmony between the Communities.
You peep into your Conscipous and think whhether you are doing aright or a wrong thing, while posting your Blogs for discussion, which you do intentionally.
Frontpage
Burnt Kashmiris return home
‘We can’t believe we are alive’
FAHEEM ASLAM
Srinagar, Aug 15: Three Kashmiris who were reportedly burnt by mobs in Samba district of Jammu division earlier this month, today returned to Valley, urging the government to contain the violent mobs who have unleashed a reign of terror along the highway from Udhampur to Lakhanpur.
Bashir Ahmad Mir, Muhammad Abbas and Shah Sayar—orchardist, truck driver and conductor from Pinjura Shopian—were admitted to Government Medical College Jammu after the attack on their truck (JK03-6933) on August 5.
“We can’t believe that we are alive,” they told reporters at the Press Colony here. “We ran for safety after a violent mob attacked us with petrol bombs near Hiranagar.”
The trio has severe burn injuries on head, arms and legs. “The mob had taken shelter in mulberry trees along the highway. I was driving normally when I suddenly heard a bang and immediately saw three of us in flames,” said the visibly perturbed Bashir Ahmad. “We drove the vehicle fast and stopped near an Army camp. We left our vehicle there and rushed to a hospital. We were later shifted to GMC Jammu.”
The trio alleged that the truckers driving along the highway were insecure because of the inappropriate security arrangements. “We didn’t see any police or Army men at places where the mob was violent,” they said.
Shah Sayar said they wanted to return home last week, but the police played mischief in their return. “We were subjected to worst torture by the hooligans on the highway. After spending 10 days at the GMC, we wanted to return to our place for further treatment at the SKIMS. But we can’t understand why the police was reluctant to see us back home,” he said. “We are happy to be back, but we request the media to highlight our plight and expose the hooligans who have unleashed a reign of terror along the highway.”
The trio urged the government to contain the mobs in Jammu, who according to them, have blocked the highway and throw petrol bombs on the trucks.
HAKIM PARVEZ
August 16, 2008 at 6:08 am
Mr Pawan Durrani,
Your Peacefull and emaciapated Fraternity isn’t even sparing the Gujjars now.
Find it below
Frontpage
Communal frenzy shatters dreams of Gujjars
HARMEET SINGH
Jammu, Aug 15: The dreams of 72-year old Alaf Din to perform Hajj were shattered on August 5 when a mob attacked his village, torched more than a dozen mud houses (kullas) and looted all the belongings, including cash Din had reserved for depositing for the holy pilgrimage with the Hajj Committee.
The mob attacked Taroti Khud, a Gujjar hamlet, while returning from Jourian, where the fanatics had attacked the police post and wounded several police personnel, two of them still battling for life.
Narrating his harrowing experience, Alaf Din said that when the mob was proceeding toward Jourian all the members of Gujjar families residing in Taroti Khud were scared and prayed to the Almighty Allah for safety as they had received several threats.
“For hours together, we waited outside our kullas and all of a sudden, they started returning after a ‘tandav’ (dance of death) in Jourian and, in a few seconds, about 200 youth, raising Bam-Bam-Bhole and Bharat Mata Ki Jai slogans, attacked us,” he said.
“They torched most of our kullas and looted everything including Rs 1.05 lakh I had managed for Hajj pilgrimage. I sold my buffalos to raise the money to avail myself of the life-time opportunity. I have already deposited Rs 20,000 with the Hajj Committee for a seat for myself and my wife,” he said.
“It was only due to the timely action of the Indian Army,” Din said, “their life was saved but all other belongings were either looted or destroyed by the mob.”
He said that government officials visited the village a number of times during the past 10 days and assured compensation and relief but nothing has been done so far. “Despite repeated assurances, no compensation has reached us so far.
The deputy commissioner and other officials who came here had promised that tents would be provided to us but nothing has come our way,” said Din, whose kulla was burnt down by the protestors, adding that for the past 10 days his entire family was forced to sleep in the open in the rainy season.
Taroti Khud village is inhabited by around 300 souls of 42 families. They have been living here for the past 22 years after they migrated from Ramban area in search of better life.
“We settled here in the hope of a better future, but now we are scared to even venture out of the village. The people with whom we shared our happiness and grief came to attack us and burnt our houses,” said Manzoor Ahmed, another resident.
The incident has not only shattered their dreams of a happy life but has brought the community to the verge of starvation. It has also seriously affected its business.
“Earlier we used to earn Rs 1,500 a day by selling milk and milk products, but now we don’t go out even to the market and everything is getting spoiled, our income has dropped to less than Rs 100 a day,” said Fazal Din, another Gujjar resident of the village.
HAKIM PARVEZ
August 16, 2008 at 6:12 am
Haki….. Hope this satisfies you……….
*Why don’t you pay Income Tax.
Tax collection has more reliance in ISLAM because it differentiated on tax laws between Muslims and others. Is it according to muslims or muhammad we should pay double tax or what. We pay legitimate taxes and give enough Zakat to kashmiri muslims….
*Why do you still live in Muthi & Pokhroo Camps.
Brings of togetherness and love within the community because we need to support our corrupt and bastard muslim leaders at top
*Why do you still que up to beg for the Migrant Fund/ Rice.
We have muslim black dogs in the backyard barking out of hunger,
*Why do you invite Goons from HP/Punjab and put them in Muthi(To assuage the Panditani’s amhorous feelings).
This question proves you are muslim and not from a single father that too….
* Why don’t you join Indian Army.
Why is this the army blood in you speaking… ask your mom which army person visited her before your birth
* How may amongest KP’s have got killed in Jammu Land Transfer Agitation.
Rephrase your question…. talk in terms of humans we are for humanity and world peace remember MUSLIM-ISLAM= HUMAN
* Why isn’t any leader from the KP in the Sangharsh Samiti. Hope you are giving them the Divine Support
After you answer my question about your sisters of your daughters marriage with mulla I will tell you that……….
About our being PAGAN did beloved wife Aiesha at 6 yrs play with dolls when her 53 year old husband was waiting for her to become 9………
Kuldeep Trisal
Kuldeep Trisal
August 16, 2008 at 6:12 am
http://www.wikiislam.org/wiki/Images:Kashmir
pls explain this me.
ash
August 16, 2008 at 6:18 am
Dear Mr Trisal,
Your answers don’t have any anwerable appeal and they also didn’t satisfy me either.
For your valued information, KP’s, are exempted from paying the Income Tax.
Go to freedomfaith site, you will get the reply to this question.
HAKIM PARVEZ
August 16, 2008 at 6:30 am
Its nice…. Happy Independence day to all
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5IXJzOC3ms
Looking forward for a
peaceful world = World – ISLAM
Let us bring peace to world and take initial step……………..
Thanks
Kuldeep
Kuldeep Trisal
August 16, 2008 at 6:30 am
Maru,
I did try, at the onset, but these KP’s licking around this site need to be set right first than only peace will be bestowed in J&K.
You Trisal/ AK et al… Answer my questions fast otherwise i would be more ruthless in my questions.
HAKIM PARVEZ
August 16, 2008 at 6:35 am
why will faithfreedom.org answer the question whether army person visited you home before ur birth………………… Logic is not right
I have paid tax all along to GOI do we have to pay taxes to pakistan also????
which pandit you are talking about…………. who uses GOI electricity all over kashmir and never pays bills…………….But only Muslims are there……..
I think Sharia law should folllow in Kashmir and I am sure if followed properly more than 90% of muslims will be without hands and the other 10% will abandon ISLAm
Tax
Kuldeep Trisal
August 16, 2008 at 6:37 am
Though you don’t deserve an answer, but I’ll still give it you. But please answer all questions that we’ve been asking especially Kuldeep.
*Why don’t you pay Income Tax.
Ans: You fool, who tells you KPs don’t pay IT. Do some homework, before throwing absurd questions. Only those who are on Migrant payroll are exempted and that’s a minisicule percentage and rightly deserve it. You do not know what it is to lose your homeland and your property.
*Why do you still live in Muthi & Pokhroo Camps.
Ans: Only a twisted mind could have asked this silly question. Grow up man; a 10 yr old could have asked a better question. It’s like asking “Why don’t poor eat well, live well”
*Why do you still que up to beg for the Migrant Fund/ Rice.
Ans: Again an emmensly immature and stupid question. Check the above answer.
*Why do you invite Goons from HP/Punjab and put them in Muthi(To assuage the Panditani’s amhorous feelings).
- What is your point? Serioulsy, I read your question a couple of times and concluded you are retarded (don’t worry it is scientifically proven that when siblings copulate, retards are born)
* Why don’t you join Indian Army.
Ans: Again, you had gone to school and studied and tried to do some research you’d
get answers. There are a lot of KPs in army. Percentage wise very significant. But you won’t understand these concepts.
* How may amongest KP’s have got killed in Jammu Land Transfer Agitation.
- LOL. And that is an indication of???? Are u really stupid or do u make a conscious effort?
* Why isn’t any leader from the KP in the Sangharsh Samiti. Hope you are giving them the Divine Support
- Get your facts; that is all I can say. Don’t arbritrarily ask questions.
AK
August 16, 2008 at 6:39 am
Both AK and myself answered all you question will you answer mine please:
my question is not to slander ISLAM religion but let us follow it with better logic:
muhammads life is the ideal and perfect life says quran am i slandering in ISLAM religion no.
muhammad married aiesha at the age of 6 and consummated her at the age of 9 is this slandering in ISLAM religion no
based on above two extrapolating the facts to yourself:
I am asking will Muslim marry his daughter or sister at age of 6 with the pious 50 year old muslim mulla who lived life exactly like muhammad “as musliman calls perfect” and let him consummate when ur sister/daughter is age of 9. Am I asking muslim something muhammad did not do — NO . Am i slandering muslim religion NO.. it is in ur religion
If muslims think that something is ethically or morally wrong with that , Then question yourself am I better person with ISLAM or without ISLAM. And take the right decision.
LEAVE ISLAM THERE IS THE OPTION TO DO SO –THINK PEOPLE ARE DOING IT.
Kuldeep Trisal
Kuldeep Trisal
August 16, 2008 at 6:44 am
Mr Pawan Durrani,
Who cares for the Extension in the Sangarsh against the Transfer of Amarnath Yatra. The way Kashmir is going on, you have lost the battle. India is now more concerned in quelling the anger in the Valley.
I would again repeat that India least cares for your agitation in 2 and a half districts and G..O.I. can sacrifice hunders of Jammu’s for Kashmir.
HAKIM PARVEZ
August 16, 2008 at 6:46 am
who is pawan durrani here please explain
Kuldeep Trisal
August 16, 2008 at 6:48 am
the moment it is turn to answer my questions u change topic or start something else
Grow up
Kuldeep Trisal
August 16, 2008 at 6:50 am
answer me or accept that u will leave ISLAM
and become a better human
Kuldeep
Kuldeep Trisal
August 16, 2008 at 6:51 am
I feel very sad for muhammad if he was here today and wanted to marry your daughter who is 6 you will not do it …….. He probably would have got a heart attack as his fellow muslims would not do what he did and followed his path…………………….
Still time is there…………….
Become human and abandon ISLAM
Kuldeep Trisal
Kuldeep Trisal
August 16, 2008 at 7:00 am
Pawan Durrani is the Editor of this site. The person who has gone to atttend to his office and pivotal in making us to fight with each other and will rise from the Ashes in the evening to do his real duty as a KP.
David has already answered to your sadist questions.
HAKIM PARVEZ
August 16, 2008 at 7:28 am
what was davids answer was it YES he will marry his sis or no …… I dont remember seeing it
Kuldeep Trisal
August 16, 2008 at 7:30 am
my question is real within islamic bounds question
kuldeep
Kuldeep Trisal
August 16, 2008 at 7:32 am
does this sound sadist question to you…… come on….. u agree that someone who does like this is a sadist……. I only asked the question…….. in that case what will you call muhammad who did it in his life……………. Think —– shame on you being a muslim you called muhammad sadist….. or have u already loined my hands but are hesitating….
we are happy to know that you called muhammad sadist and disassociated urself from ISLAM….. welcome to HUMANS…… now behave like one….
Kuldeep Trisal
Kuldeep Trisal
August 16, 2008 at 7:40 am
Hey where have all of you gone.
To have a Darshan of Phallus of Shiv.
But Yatra is already over. Whose Darshan are you having now….. Not mine….
HAKIM PARVEZ
August 16, 2008 at 11:37 am
Hi the picture which u have shown in ur article of a guujar lady sitting before her burnt Kullah is mine. First of all let me correct ur english. I have written in my caption and shown in my picture that a gujjar lady sitting before her burnt house and for ur kind information before means in front of her. The kullah which is shown in the picture is on her side and second hw many pictures u need of burnt kullahs of gujjars, i will provide u,jst give me ur mail-id and phone number..
Amarjeet singh
August 16, 2008 at 1:19 pm
Mr Pawan Durrani. The Plagiarist.
Shame on you…. you plagiarist. I hope the reply of Mr. Amarjeet Singh is an eye opener to you. Don’t tghionk that all the people in the world arre ther to defame the other community. There are good people also in this world and truth is eternal. Satyam ve Jayte
HAKIM PARVEZ
August 16, 2008 at 1:46 pm
Dear Mr. Amarjeet Singh,
I am so much delighted that you have given the right definition to the deragatory, defamatory and slanderous posting of a Mr. Pawan Durrani.
Truth is eternal and defies all hypocracy.
God Bless you.
Satyam Ve Jayte.
HAKIM PARVEZ
August 16, 2008 at 1:51 pm
Mr Pawan Durrani ( Dalle Batta),
Now i will hit you where it will hurt you. You Hypocrate…. You liar… A Literary Thief.
You are the main culprit who is defaming the Kashmiri Muslims and you have opened up this Brothel to showcase the pussilanimous Character of your Community and twisted facts inoredr to get more pecuniary benefits….
… Shame on you…..
HAKIM PARVEZ
August 16, 2008 at 2:00 pm
Parvez saib……
What happened u already said Muhammad is Sadist, because of what he did with aiesha…..
next there is war with terrorists urf ISLAM on two fronts and my guess Islam will loose on both:
on cyber space where people like u and I fight and u are loosing like that black dog who made muhammad run in middle of night for his life.
My weapon against you is ur very own Quran and ur muhammad one eyed jack
and on other front Australia, USA Europe India in short whole world will fight terrorism urf islam.
have you heard:
“All muslims will not be terrorists till they follow quran, but most of the terrorists are muslims and they follow quran”
Shame on the relision of peace…….
In GYAN hu musabrin..
Kuldeep
Kuldeep Trisal
August 16, 2008 at 2:58 pm
Mr Trisal,
I have promised to my Sister Neha that i would now onwards don’t inndulge in any form of derogatory remark aginst any KP or Hindu Religion.
Enough is Enough.
I can’t advice or force you to stop writing against Islam.
Even if you write now umpteen against my Religion i won’t react.
But Politically, yes.. we can have a healthy discussion sans religion.
HAKIM PARVEZ
August 16, 2008 at 4:15 pm
@amarjeet
I think either you dont knw the job of journalism or you are forced to obey your masters to mislead people. Instead of showing the real picture how come you xpect the people to imagine the burnt kullah(imaginary) is infront. It is WYSIWYB
To how many people you’ll send that email why that was not publishd.
One more thing a person who works for GK(the most baised and anti-nation) paper cant be trusted like any other izlamofacist
Jai Hind
August 16, 2008 at 4:47 pm
Dear Jai Hind,
Lets make a truce now its enough of fighting and brick batting.
Do let me know what kind of help you need for the Agitation. Let it be our Agitation and not yours or mine.
If its within my ambit, i would definitely come up with it.
We do care for our Jammu Brothers and Sisters.. May you prosper and let we also prosper and let everyone say that its J&K which is prospering because people know us as the one from J&K.
Let J&K prosper not at each others cost.. Long live J&K… Long Live Hindu Muslim Unity…. Let this be our Goal which is definitely achievable if all on us Blog… Unite.
HAKIM PARVEZ
August 16, 2008 at 5:02 pm
here goes hakim parvez again… the truce-maker fascist……..
PM
August 16, 2008 at 5:09 pm
>> Long Live Hindu Muslim Unity…
i heard those in 1857 mutiny, then during khilafat movement … then during WW2, and after partition too almost everytime…. but argh: in all those event the unity was broken by Islamofasicst…
PM
August 16, 2008 at 5:12 pm
look mr jai hind when r not here to mislead people, ok. Second dont try to teach me journalism, Third when we have to file the pics we have not to file only one picture we have to give many options to the people sitting on the desk n Fourth if u really want to c the burnt kullah in my other picture other than this then c the Front page of The Indian Express dated 14 aug 2008 and if u wanna c more pics then c the site of reuters agency. We are also indians and we know our responsibility.
Amarjeet singh
August 16, 2008 at 5:17 pm
hakim
I am happy you have become human and better sense has prevailed on to you. whether it was ur siters or Neha, we are all proud of you.
It is hard for you to speak on behalf of all kashmiri muslims…. unless u are leader of masses… but I am sure every help will be great……. why dont you with few other kashmiri muslims shout pro india slogans and ask govt to allot amaranth land and request jammu people to stop agitation….. and load that video on internet….. provide link …. we need to put pressure on govt from all sides
I am sure that will be great help and will show that Kashmiri muslims care about India because all we have seen is the picture painted other way…
What do you think of the IDEA???
We are happy better sense has prevailed on all of us…..
BUM BUM Bholay
Kuldeep Trisal
Kuldeep Trisal
August 16, 2008 at 5:18 pm
#VR
in obsession they spoke about Haji Mohammed Amin al Husseini, he was also in india… you can find his reference as haji Mohammed during Mopla riots ……
BTW… he had not stopped his hatred for non-muslims even after WW2…
check here
http://tellthechildrenthetruth.com/osama_en.html
http://tellthechildrenthetruth.com/amin_en.html
and sept-11 was the date when war halted between christians and Muslims at gates of vienna… and a “TRUCE” was made; the parvez was calling truce again and again.. but he forgot that 9-11 was the date when Muslims broke old truce, and started war again with Christians…
what ever, one more thing … read about khomeini .. if you want to laugh at islam,,,
http://www.theconservativevoice.com/article/23961.html
PM
August 16, 2008 at 5:22 pm
Question: What is the contribution to Nation/community by Kashmiri Muslims And Kashmiri Hindus in last 20 years?
Answer
Kashmiri Muslims: Their contibution is 20LK Jihadis, Killers, Rapists, Destruction, Fundamentalism, Looters etc.
Kashmiri Hindus: Scores of Doctors, Engineers, lawyers, Professionals, Educationists, top notch scientists.
Voice Of Jammu
August 16, 2008 at 5:22 pm
Dear Mr Amarjit Ji,
I am not sure if you are the real one , as your email address is copy of a latest movie blockbuster which got released last week. I assume you were not net savvy and did not have a e-mail till the promos of the “Singh is King” started rolling out.
However that is not what i intend to discuss , you have to give me benefit of my understanding.
Had you been in my place , what would you have understood ? I care two hoots of how pictures reach your desk and how educated the people are at desk to use the pictures with the right captions.
If your organization is so inexperienced and irresponsible, it may cause bigger problems for the nation in future.
So,instead of blaming me , blame where you come from.
@ Hakim Parvez : What you have started to write aboutr me doesnt surprise me . This is what runs in you . You have changed your color like a chameleon in last few days. I still challenge you to dispute whatever i have written.
Pawan Durani
Editor
August 16, 2008 at 5:46 pm
Dear Editor……….
I am extremely thankful to you, for putting up this blog and providing all of us an opportunity where you allowed every ones views and points without any bias and withour great amount of editing…..
It was extremely emotional ride for me to re-live my experiences pre-1990 with kashmiri muslims through comments…….
I am extremely thankful to yourself…
best regards
Kuldeep Trisal
Kuldeep Trisal
August 16, 2008 at 5:48 pm
http://www.newspostonline.com/national/truck-drivers-nullify-claims-of-kashmir-valley-economic-blockade-200808141637
Truck drivers have nullified claims of an economic blockade in the Kashmir Valley, saying that traffic is moving smoothly on the Lakhanpur-Jammu-Srinagar National Highway.
Traffic is also moving smoothly on the Jammu-Srinagar National Highway.
Supplies of essential commodities are getting normalised in Jammu and Kashmir. The movement of apples from the Kashmir Valley to various markets across the country is also picking up, official sources claimed.
The Srinagar-Jammu- Lakhanpur National Highway has been fully sanitized and round the clock traffic movement is being ensured.
According to official sources, for the past 12 days over 9,000 trucks carrying fruit, merchandised medicine, petroleum products, LPG cylinders and other essential commodities have been transported from both sides.
The truck drivers said that with the army personnel deployed on the highway, they were plying their vehicles fearlessly.
“Now it is all fine, there is no blockade, we are not facing any problem and the traffic is running smoothly. There are army personnel and police deployed everywhere, they are helping us out. The Government has made all arrangement to make the situation normal,” said Kulwant Singh, a truck driver.
Among 2600 trucks that had entered the state during past four days, 1137 have arrived in the Valley.
“Our trucks are plying normally, the trucks are coming in and going out of the state, there is no problem now,” said Khushwant Singh, another truck driver.
The State Government has taken many steps to instill confidence among the truck drivers and the locals in an attempt to restore normalcy. Efforts are being made to bring back peace to the region. Authorities said the markets across the country are eagerly waiting for their stock of Kashmiri apples.
Meanwhile, truck drivers in national capital’s wholesale fruit and vegetable market, Azadpur Mandi, said that the market is abuzz with activity and the deployment of army along the strategic highway is helping them.
“Army personnel are deployed there and they are helping us a lot, even the police force is helping us,” said Raju Rai Singh, a truck driver.
Supplies to and from the state, especially the Kashmir valley were affected due to the protests and violence in Jammu region after the State Government revoked its order to transfer forestland to the Shri Amarnath Shrine Board. (ANI)
Editor
August 16, 2008 at 5:48 pm
Yes Pawan, I agree with you on this.
>>You have changed your color like a chameleon in last few days.
I am not sure how long such thinking will prevail in this guy, but from our past experiences and being more practical person it is difficult for me to trust people.
Kuldeep
>>why dont you with few other kashmiri muslims shout pro india slogans and ask govt to >>allot amaranth land and request jammu people to stop agitation
This will not be safe for him and his family who are staying there, it does not appear to me logical thing.
Vicky
August 16, 2008 at 6:14 pm
Kuldeep,
>>It was extremely emotional ride for me to re-live my experiences pre-1990 with >>kashmiri muslims through comments…….
I wish those experiences remain in you all the life which would make you to come back to J&K someday RETURN them what they had given to you.
Of cource not in there way but in ethically appropriate form.
Regards,
Vicky
Vicky
August 16, 2008 at 6:33 pm
Vicky they can shout the slogans and make video…. they are always used to cover their faces they can do that now also just eyes and spoken kashmiri / urdu words are enough….. to convey message….. where there is will there is a way….
Hey guys do u think I should teach quran to the guys over here:
http://www.wular.co.cc/?p=41
But if the comments are edited in non democratic way then I wont touch that site… but if not i am ready to teach quran to Muslims the real way…….
or should wejust refer them to:
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
Your wish help me decide….. I am still learning tricks with the blog…….
help me to help muslim Teach ISLAM….
Kuldeep Trisal
Kuldeep Trisal
August 16, 2008 at 6:48 pm
Happy Independence Day India & Pakistan
India Zindabad & Pakistan Bayindabad
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Regards
David
David
August 17, 2008 at 3:26 am
Dear Amarjeet
i am not here to teach anything am here just as an responsible citizen as an True patriot(which am proud that you are also) but lets not forget our duty of leting the TRUTH n HUMANITY prevail irrespect of any thing else. If you aggree with me then please be honest to yourself and tell us isn’t GK manipulating the facts and anti-nation and if you don’t want to aggree coz of proffessional compulsions you are free
Jai Hind
August 17, 2008 at 4:53 am
Dear All,
Since i got associated with this site a Devil has erupted in me and i didn’t even bother to pass on lewd and slanderoius remarks against the Other community.
We, Kashmiri’s are not like this and i attribute it to the Editor of this site- Mr Pawan Durrani, who is hell bent upon balkanising the communities in the name of religion.
Mr Pawan, i request you to kindly use your blog for bringing in the Harmony and Unity between the different communities and do refrain from i nstigating the people in the name of Religion.
Hope you will heed to my humble submission
HAKIM PARVEZ
August 17, 2008 at 7:02 am
I was yesterday watching the TV telecast and got so pissed off by listening the Geelani’s remarks stating the he did not want to be the part of India.
After thinking cooly and logical for a while I think it is better for all to leave Kashmir and focus our energy in the remaining india.
However I am sure India will not leave Kashmir for at least for many decades .
We are wasting our lives/energy over them , let them decide there fate.
I don’t believe the piece of land can make the entire valley mad like it .
The bottom line is they don’t like us(indians) and will never what ever we do for them.
Have these guys ever demonstrated so strongly for the cause of KP’s , as a HUMAN that is more important that doing demonstration over the cause which is worthless.
I am sure all of them agree it and understand it .
Let us watch how India deals with it now.
Vicky
August 17, 2008 at 7:24 am
#HAKIM PARVEZ
till now we heard no sentence, in which you condemned openly Jihad…
you and other mohammedians do had pasted various article regarding Hinduism, but Not a single comment condemning Islamic scripts supporting Jihad…Why ? can i compare you with the guy in link below for such stand ?
PM
August 17, 2008 at 8:50 am
How UGLY , it is beyond the HUMAN comprehension .
Is this mulla still Alive in UK ? they are SICK ;(
Vicky
August 17, 2008 at 9:05 am
Dear PM,
We are all the victims of the Fanaticsm brazenly persued by the “Personna non Grata” both in Islam as well as in Hinduism.
The onus lies now on us.. the emanciapated lot…. to abhor these Elements and pave a way for a more humane and accountable system of Governance where exploitation would be engraved or conflagrated.
Let us rise to the occassion and instead of defaming ech other’s Religions, lets resolve to bring in a System where buzz word would be…… We are one and we have to live for each other…
OUR OWN SURVIVAL DEPENDS ON THE CONCERN WE SHOW FOR OTHERS.
Since i am not a Politician or a renowned figure so mere detesting of the Vendetta unleashed by a few religious bigots would not make any difference.
However, I do detest, as a Muslim and as a Human, the Vendetta and bloodshed unleashed by a few misguided one from my community.
I hope you should also detest the one from your community.
HAKIM PARVEZ
August 17, 2008 at 9:29 am
#David
>>OUR OWN SURVIVAL DEPENDS ON THE CONCERN WE SHOW FOR OTHERS.
1) Well all religions make efforts to seprate Religion and politics, but really no efforts were made from islam
2) there are no Human rights in Islamic countries, as well as in Muslim majority regions
3) No Muslim country ever recognized any genocide, but they did tagged Bosnian and Gujarat sufferings of Muslims as genocide….. Why ? if Muslim world is not interested to even recognize the suffering of millions… then why do those millions of descendent feel any concerns about the peoples that represent themselves as descendent of perpetrators ? why do we care about few thousands, when millions killing is ignored by Muslims ?
PM
August 17, 2008 at 9:38 am
17/08/08
Hakim
You detest fanaticism. Hoow about the verses:
3:151
We will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve, because they set up with Allah that for which He has sent down no authority, and their abode is the fire, and evil is the abode of the unjust.
8:60
And prepare against them what force you can and horses tied at the frontier, to terrorize thereby the enemy of Allah…
8:12
I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them.
2:191, And slay them wherever ye catch them
2:193, And fight them on until there is no more Tumult or oppression
2:216, Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you
3:28, Let not the believers Take for friends or helpers Unbelievers rather than believers: if any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah
4:48 Allah forgiveth not that partners should be set up with Him; but He forgiveth anything else, to whom He pleaseth; to set up partners with Allah is to devise a sin Most heinous indeed.
Thiagan
August 17, 2008 at 10:00 am
Dear Pm,
I am not David but Parvez….. Ur….. Apar Vez…
HAKIM PARVEZ
August 17, 2008 at 10:02 am
Dear Thiagan,
Little Knowledge is a curse
HAKIM PARVEZ
August 17, 2008 at 10:05 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3jRPDb2LXQ&feature=related
Dr Zakir Nair , looks reasonable here .
Looks to me KM’s are interpreting Quran in wrong way or it is being wrongly to them, we too are interpreting it in wrong way I believe.
Once again , no religion had ever done good to any MANKIND.
It is religion which is the root cause of all , imagine if there were no religions which I see happening in next 500 years later .
Vicky
August 17, 2008 at 10:40 am
Dear Jai hind ji, if u live in jammu u r welcome to our Jammu office. i think there are many differences regarding this. Either i m not able to make u understand r u r not trying to understand.newa watever u tk cr n hv a nice time. N regarding my mail, i had made this mail some 2 years back.
Amarjeet singh
August 17, 2008 at 1:56 pm
DearEditor, if u too live in jammu u r also welcome to our Jammu office.
Amarjeet singh
August 17, 2008 at 2:10 pm
Vicky i dont see religions disappearing any time in the next milion years …
what i am sure is that THERE WILL BE A WORLD WAR WHICH MAY NOT BE FOUGHT BETWEEN BIG POWERS BUT WILL BE FOUGHT AGAINST ISLAMIC TERRORISTS ALL OVER THE WORLD…..
IF THE MOSLEM WORLD DOES NOT SUPPORT THIS THEN IT WILL BE A CRUSADE…
indiannationalist
August 17, 2008 at 3:55 pm
Has zakir ever talked about why muhammad married aiesha at 6 and slept with her at 9 yrs of age………………..
and if muslims have to follow an ideal life of islam then they should do the same……..
may ask zakir a question……………………
will he marry 6 year old and so what his muhammad did………………………..
he quote the numbers so easily i never got time to check them yet …………..
but he could not take ali sina’s challange………………….. on faith freedom
thanks
Kuldeep Trisal
Kuldeep Trisal
August 17, 2008 at 4:51 pm
Vicky this is just copy and paste read it might help you with understanding zakirs video:
The Muslim Game:
Verses like, “Slay the infidels wherever ye find them,” were issued during times of war, according to the apologists. They accuse critics who use Qur’anic verses to discredit Islam of engaging in “cherry-picking” (pulling verses out of context to support a position, and ignoring others that may mitigate it).
The Muslims who rely on this argument often leave the impression that the Qur’an is full of verses of peace, tolerance and universal brotherhood, with only a small handful that say otherwise. Their gullible audience may also assume that the context of each violent verse is surrounded by obvious constraints in the surrounding text which bind it to a particular place and time (as is the case with violent Old Testament passages).
The Truth:
The truth, unfortunately, is just the opposite. This is why new Muslims and non-Muslims alike, who begin studying the Qur’an and Hadith, are often confronted with an array of disclaimers and warnings by well-meaning Muslims who caution that it takes “years of study” to fully understand the meaning of certain passages. Neophytes are encouraged to seek the counseling of a Muslim scholar or cleric to “help them along” with interpreting what they read.
It is not the verses of violence that are rare, unfortunately, it is the ones of peace and tolerance. Neither is the “historical context” of these verses of violence at all obvious from the surrounding text (in most cases).
In the Qur’an, ideas and topics often seem to come from out of nowhere, emerging almost at random in a jumbled mess that bears no consistent or coherent stream of thought. But, with external references to the Hadith and early biographies of Muhammad’s life, it is usually possible to determine when a Qur’anic verse was “handed down from Allah,” and what it may have meant to the Muslims at the time. This is what apologists opportunistically refer to as “historical context.” They contend that such verses are merely a part of history and not intended as imperatives to present-day Muslims.
But “historical context” cuts both ways. If any verse is a product of history, then they all are. Indeed, there is not a verse in the Qur’an that was not given at a particular time to address a particular situation in Muhammad’s life, whether he wanted to conquer the tribe next door and needed a “revelation” from Allah spurring his people to war, or if needed the same type of “revelation” to satisfy his lust for more women (free of complaint from his other wives).
Here is the irony of the “cherry-picking” argument: Those who use “historical context” against their detractors nearly always engage in cherry-picking of their own by choosing which verses they apply “historical context” to and which they prefer to hold above such tactics of mitigation.
Islamic purists do not engage in such games. Not only do they know that the verses of Jihad are more numerous and authoritative (abrogating the earlier ones), they also hold the entire Qur’an to be the eternal and literal word of Allah… and this is what often makes them so dangerous.
Kuldeep Trisal
August 17, 2008 at 5:20 pm
>>but he could not take ali sina’s challange………………….. on faith freedom
Have both of them ever debated , I wanted to know about it ?
I am not fully convinced with Zakir but some of his videos I found quite logical , yes he may not be able to explain the things which are illogical.
Vicky
August 17, 2008 at 7:25 pm
No they haven’t but Zakirs students have recommended that Ali Sina should debate with zakir, but it never happened even when ali sina send him emails and replies he got from emails is also on the website faith freedom…..
zakir is a good human from what he talks and believes in…… I will say he holds himself to few threads that convience him and his ego externally. But I am sure when he sleeps in night he will be wondering why is he doing it………………..
http://www.faithfreedom.org/Testimonials/AishaRA50301.htm
read above and you will know why good people stay with Islam even though they dont want to……
Hope it helps you……
being a kashmiri pundit I am sometimes ashamed to say that I know more about Islam than about my own religion…. feel free to ask I will help you as much as I can…..
Kuldeep Trisal
August 17, 2008 at 7:48 pm
>>being a kashmiri pundit I am sometimes ashamed to say that I know more about Islam >>than about my own religion
I understand why because I am also getting dragged more for knowing the facts now , how wrong was I few days before about it ?
anyways catch you tomorrow , I need to get back to routine work but I will make sure I look at the forums during night .
Let me know your email id too .
Cheers,
Vicky
Vicky
August 17, 2008 at 8:01 pm
The best part is though know your enemy before u go on war with him. and have your weapons before the fight……
My enemy is ISLAM
and MY weapon is quran….
Interesting but true……….
have a good night and will figure out a way to give you my contact details……..
thanks kuldeep
Kuldeep Trisal
August 17, 2008 at 8:15 pm
SAB MADARCHOD HAKIMO AUR GULAMO,
JAO APNI MAA SE POOCHO TUMHARA BAAP KAUN HAI,
7 MARRIAGES ARE LEGAL IN ISLAM,SO UR MOTHER MARRIED 7 TIMES AND FATHER 7 TIMES,I.E 7 X7 -49 PARENTS,
KYA TUM JAANTE HO TUMHARA BAAP KAUN HAI,
SAB BHAAG JAO ARAB JAHAN TUMHARA BAAP PAIDA HUA THA,
NAMAK HARAM BEHENCHOOD,
APNE MAME AUR CHACHE KI LADKION KO CHOD DETE HAIN
Ashwini
August 18, 2008 at 6:11 am
18/08/08
“Little Knowledge is a curse”
Hakim, please read what some one, a great statesman, historian ad one who made history said about Islam:
“How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men. Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities – but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilisation of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilisation of ancient Rome.”
—Sir Winston Churchill, from The River War, first edition, Vol. II, pages 248-50 (London: Longmans, Green & Co., 1899).
Hitler published Mein Kampf in 1939. This what Churchill said about the it.
“It is the new Koran of faith and war: Bombastic, tedious, formless, but full of its own message.”
Thiagan
August 18, 2008 at 10:49 am
I cant agree less with any one else….. some people here have opened my eyes about the Muslim religion and have started reading more from websites and realised that I was very ignorant about lots of things……..
Today I feel I am more knowledgable than I was on friday and understand our enemy little better……
God bless the world
Koul Anil
August 18, 2008 at 12:53 pm
VICKY ON dr.Zakir Nair
I dont fully agree with kuldeep reply here……
I think he agrees that jihad is to be done within and muslims are following wrong path of fighting and killing non muslims……
he Sais krishna told Arjun kill them they are your enemies not your cousing… Dr.Zakir we agree that was in mahabaratha time Kaurvas are like todays MUSLIM Jehadis…. who according to you are taking religion in wrong way………
Why should not we get up and kill all jehadis because they took quran in wrong way and follow our krishna……. That is the reason Jammu is rising……
Bom Bom Bhole
Bom Bom Bhole
Bom Bom Bhole
Koul Anil
August 18, 2008 at 1:11 pm
>>I think he agrees that jihad is to be done within and muslims are following wrong path of >>fighting and killing non muslims……
May be we request him to go to valley and address the people there
>>ome people here have opened my eyes about the Muslim religion and have started >>reading more from websites and realised that I was very ignorant about lots of
spread the word peacefully , it will take time for them to accept.
PS: I don’t favor any religion other than *HUMANITY* .
Vicky
August 18, 2008 at 1:28 pm
Show this to Kashmir Muslims and know there opinion
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3jRPDb2LXQ&feature=related
May be local television channel can telecast is every now and then in jammu atleast, it will have impact across over time.
Vicky
August 18, 2008 at 1:32 pm
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David
David
August 21, 2008 at 10:02 am
David,
I have put across some questions over for you.
If I get answer to that I will talk to you over there else be our guest over here.
I am sure all other INDIANS would like to talk to you after getting that answer .
Regards,
Vicky
Vicky
August 21, 2008 at 11:10 am
Vicky what do u expect David to answer……..
Mullas would have already told him Fatwa agains Ali Sina and Wafa sultan and many more….
They have done Blasphemy against Muhammad and quran……
Dont look at what http://www.faithfreedom.org…..
for that matter dont do any thing that will make u understand quran…….
rather chant it like tota bolay ganga ram……
David ur Dawood….. answers are in quran it self open it and understand it….
we want you here keep coming and get ur other muslim friends too… kashmiri non kashmiri doesnot matter……
MUSLIM – ISLAM = HUMAN
Answer Vicky……….
BTW if Any pedophiles come here do try converting to ISLAM u can marry 6 year olds with out problem………. Muhammad did it why cant you………………
Go and rape a woman in Muslim country in wilderness and she will be killed because she wont have 4 witnesses…..
If u are a muslim women then Quran says — U are shame and 10% of which is covered by your marriage and 90% by ur grave after your Death…….
I am sure muslim God ALLAH never created both man and woman with same love and passion…… or was it a religion started by a mad cap Muhammad………..
Anil
koul Anil
August 21, 2008 at 4:37 pm
read below article about simi
http://www.newindpress.com/newspages.asp?page=m&Title=Main+Article
Happy reading
koul Anil
August 21, 2008 at 4:43 pm
Dear nasal bedi hakim parvez.
I have strong belief you kashmiri muslims have a polluted blood of devils as ur converted muslims not have ur own orgin. The day has come now either u will be bombarded or u have to leave kashmir. Mark my word few days are so bad for you if u want to save urself take a path from muzfarabad that is the way u and ur community have to save ur life.Talking about muthi camp and purkhoo camp it was a mistake of our ansistors they have milked the serpant.Look at the kashmiri muslim girls who use sell their flesh in Rohini,lajpat nagar, cannaught place ,pahar ganj, and many more plece in india. Even their are some ladys who beg in the streets of paharganj by saying we are kashmiri migrants if u dont trust they are Goor koori of kanya kadal go and see.
How shame on u even pakistan who is begging to america for the sake to live and even you are talking about azadi.look at the the pakistan which state is united take example of Gilgit,baluchastan,quetta, sindh and karachi.All are fighting for seperate which way u want to go.
Time has come we will kick u out from that sacred state or with our curse we will make it again satisar if not this life to next life.
Mark my word u have to die miserably very soon.
Ur Agitation has failed because u cannot now internationlize this issue because of jammu agitation remember if it roase in ladakh too then u r nowhere in ur evil idea
Your seperatisit has never thought about this could happen.Do u feel to take prosession to UN peace observer office in srinagar will make ur wish internationlized is absolutely false.even world know kashmiri muslims are myth and do walk on the foot of pakistan. Their friend America also understand their evil thinking.
We have totally make you to think even ur Father(Pakistan) is totally astonished what to do.
It is a state which was purchased from British Empire and ruled by dogra empire so your azadi only to kashmir bow to kasmiri pandits and dogra peoples it is their blessing you r still existance is in kashmir.Pakistan cannot do anything to J&K since they are aggresers but our ruler has make official documentation with indian govt . Our POK is also our part if u r unsafe and has emotional attachment with pakistan we can post you their where u can talk about azadi……
Dont spit anything again …………………..
parvez u r ansistors were the slaves of kashmiri pandit, my generation to generation can live in muthi and purkoo camp as it is my country and i love my jammu and kashmir .I beg to my country, not to pakistan and IsI which u r doing because ur Gaddar of Kashmiryat. Our sufi’s and sant will curse ur community for this cause.
Bloody dont rubbish…………
KP
August 21, 2008 at 6:55 pm
>>Even their are some ladys who beg in the streets
sometime back I saw them begging here in Pune, they carry the documents .. what a PITY.
If I can get the address about there camp I will try to go there and take a video and show them what Azadi/ISLAM had done to them.
Vicky
August 21, 2008 at 7:24 pm
Hi Hakim,
I am convinced that 50% of the popullation which was born after 1990 is Afghani/Iranai/Sudani etc etc ….So can’t belame Kashmiri’s you guys are actually of some other blood.
KK
August 22, 2008 at 6:19 am
Nice story on Jammu Agitation…
Hey you may also put these stories on my blog.
Praful
August 22, 2008 at 6:36 am
These are not stories……. They are facts…………..
Anil
Koul Anil
August 22, 2008 at 1:06 pm
Guys here is the u turn now
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Martyred_Hurriyat_leader_was_not_killed_by_police/articleshow/3391067.cms
“n a shocking revelation, national security adviser M K Narayanan told the Union Cabinet on Thursday that it was not at all clear who had fired the fatal bullet at Aziz, a former Al Jehad leader who was part of the march on the Srinagar-Muzzaffarabad highway ”
If India had such plans then they could have got YasinMalik/Geelani all killed ….
Vicky
August 22, 2008 at 1:17 pm
Pawan keep it up buddy……………
we are at ur back these bloody bitch cannot do anything they can give slogans of azaadi…… only.
Their generation will be buried in soil but they will not even get inch of azadi….
KP
August 22, 2008 at 4:59 pm
******Must Watch Video*******
A to Z of cruelty of ISLAM and Mohammed revealed.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-871902797772997781
Voice Of Jammu
August 22, 2008 at 9:13 pm
We have won the half the battle of amarnath land row.
we are expecting in the evening the draft on that.
Thanks to all of you for ur support.
KP
August 23, 2008 at 9:41 am
mr. kuldeep trisal
u are frustrated..theres nothing in ur religion and u point fingers at others….thats y u c more n more ppl embracing Islam..
saadat
August 23, 2008 at 9:41 am
Mr Saadat,
#u are frustrated
Yes all HINDUS as frustrated/SHOCKED after knowing the facts, can you help us to understand ISLAM ?
watch this how many are frustrated across globe
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-871902797772997781
Defend the video ….
I can get more videos to help you ..
Come on you all are *EXPOSED* , sit calmly and hear to your inner conscious and then tell us truth.
#.theres nothing in ur religion and u point fingers at others
Some one with more knowledge will answer you on this surely …..
Peace.
Vicky
August 23, 2008 at 10:04 am
KP
#We have won the half the battle of amarnath land row.
Amaranth land row had give us the cause, the battle against EVIL is forever.
Peace.
Vicky
August 23, 2008 at 10:07 am
#We have totally make you to think even ur Father(Pakistan) is totally astonished what to #do.
rlof
Vicky
August 23, 2008 at 10:09 am
namaskar Mr Saadat…. does ur name mean sad at or it is just a coincidence…..
KULDEEP HAD ASKED BELOW QUESTION TO MUSLIMS AND AM SURE HE WILL HAVE MANY MORE CONSIDER U ARE HAKIM AT THE MOMENT:
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Mr Hakim my question is not to slander ur religion but let us follow it with better logic:
Muhammads life is the ideal and perfect life says quran am i slandering ur religion — NO.
Muhammad married aiesha at the age of 6 and consummated her at the age of 9 is this slandering ur religion — NO
based on above two extrapolating the facts to yourself:
I am asking will u marry ur daughter or sister at age of 6 with the pious 51 year old muslim mulla who lived life exactly like Muhammad “as u musliman calls perfect” and let him consummate when ur sister/daughter is age of 9. Am I asking u something ur muhammad did not do — NO . Am i slandering ur religion NO.. it is in ur religion
If u think that something is ethically or morally wrong with that, Then question yourself am I better person with ISLAM or without ISLAM. And take the right decision.
LEAVE ISLAM THERE IS THE OPTION –THINK PEOPLE ARE DOING IT.
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I AM SURE U HAVE OPENED YOUR EYES AND LOOKED AROUND THE VIDEOS AND WEBSITES…. MAY BE U SHOULD CONTACT MAY APOSTLES LIKE ALI SINA, SHOUBAT, WAFA SULTAN…… LISTEN TO THEIR REASONING…….
PEOPLE WHO ARE PEDOPHILES WILL CONVERT TO ISLAM…. AND ISLAM NEEDS THEM……
PEOPLE WHO ARE SADDIST AND LOVE KILLINGS ….. WILL CONVERT…… ISLAM NEEDS THEM
IF YOU THINK YOUR RELIGION ISLAM IS THE WAY…. KEEP IT…. BUT READ AND UNDERSTAND THE QURAN — READ WHAT MAULVIS NEVER TAUGHT YOU….. LISTEN WHAT PEOPLE SAY …. UNDERSTAND……
kNOWLEDGE IS POWER BE OPEN TO CRITICISM….. BUT ISLAM DOESNOT LIKE QUESTIONING …. THINK WHY……
CAN YOU TELL UR MOTHER THAT YOU ARE 100% SHAME AND 10% WAS COVERED WHEN YOU MARRIED AND ANOTHER 90% WILL BE COVERED IN YOUR GRAVE…. IT IS IN UR QURAN….
I AM SURE BOOKS AT AT UR HOME… U CAN RECITE THEM IN ARABIC….. PLEASE UNDERSTAND MEANING OF WHAT YOU HAVE BEEN RECITING…..
HAPPY READING QURAN….. IF YOU NEED MORE INFORMATION…. http://WWW.FAITHFREEDOM.ORG WILL HELP YOU…. READ THINK AND COME BACK… WE LOVE YOU HERE… AS KULDEEP SAYS ” MUSLIMS ARE THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE SUFFERED MOST DUE TO ISLAM……”
YOURS TRUELY….
ANIL
Koul Anil
August 23, 2008 at 12:39 pm
SECOND THOUGHT ON CONVERSIONS TO ISLAM……
MOST OF THEM ARE DONE UNDER SOME KIND OF THREAT……
REMEMBER PEOPLE DID NOT CONVERT TO ISLAM MUHAMMAD WOULD KILL THEM AFTER LOOTING THEIR RICHES…………..
HAVENT U READ MUHAMMAD WITH HIS OWN HANDS HAVE KILLED 600-900 PEOPLE BY SLITTING THEIR THROATS……..
SAME IS HAPPENING NOW…….
THE OTHER TYPE OF CONVERSIONS ARE EXPLAINED ABOVE…. THERE IS SOME BASED ON LOVE IF SOMEONE FALLS IN LOVE WITH MUSLIM…. I PITYTHEM AS THEY ARE NOT AWARE WHAT THEY HAVE JUMPED INTO…………
HOPE UR QUESTIONS ARE ANSWERED…..
i STILL SUGGEST YOU READ http://WWW.FAITHFREEDOM.ORG
MAY YOU FIND ANSWERS…. FOR YOUR QUESTIONS……
ANIL
Koul Anil
August 23, 2008 at 12:56 pm
AS FAR AS OUR RELIGION GOES….. IT IS VAST BEYOND UR IMAGINATION…. IT HAS LIMIT AND IT IS LIMITLESS TOO…. WE HAVE GODS AND WE SAY WE ARE GODS TOO….
AHAM BHRAMASIMI …..
OUR RELIGION HAS TAUGHT US TO LISTEN TO OUR CONSCIENCE, WE HAVE THE SAME LIGHT WITHIN US THAT IS IN THE GOD……
WE HAVE BAIRAVS AS WELL AS VAISHNAVS…..
WE HAVE IDOL WORSHIPERS AS WELL AS NIRAKARIS…..
DONT WORRY UNLIKE MUSLIMS WE DONT ASK ANY ONE TO CONVERT TO HINDUISM…….
YOU ARE FREE TO DECIDE WHAT YOU CAN DO IN FUTURE ….. ALL RELIGIONS ARE GOOD AND TEACH PEACE AND LOVE– EXCEPT ISLAM…..
UNDERSTAND QURAN AND MUHAMMAD…. DO WHAT U WANT AFTER THAT
IF YOU HAVE PROBLEM TRANSLATING OR FINDING APPROPRIATE VERSES:
GOTO http://WWW.FAITHFREEDOM.ORG
WE WILL WAIT FOR YOUR RESPONSE HERE…..
I HOPE I HAVE ANSWERED YOUR CONCERNS…..
HAPPY READING
ANIL
Koul Anil
August 23, 2008 at 1:13 pm
mr saadat…
tell me one single thing that is good in ur religion…… just count…. i hope u got nothing… and now count the bad things…. wait let me give u pen and paper… u may forget when u make the list…
mr saadt frankly speaking ur religion has given nothing to this world..just terrorists…just killiongs…just blood…. just mass genocides… ju\st mass conversions to islam…. just tears…just ….this just will never stop mr saadat… instead w people are fed up with u all please leave our country ………we don’t wnt to live with all of u……
when i was young i used to keep all gods near my books…. when i have to appear for exams i still recall all of the gods… even allah… but now the reality of islam will make me to think over it… i wish i lived in the illusion my whole life………
Neha
August 23, 2008 at 4:03 pm
GOVT SLEEPING……COUNTRY WEEPING….ITALIAN ENJOYING
This is today,s incident at Poonch( A BORDER TOWN OF J&K,FALLING IN JAMMU PROVINCE)..which despite its less Hindu population was supporting the Sangarsh Simiti by taking out processions…
Yesterday evening(22 Aug),after a group clash at mandi,announcements started in poonch through the mosques and people travelling in vehicles for all muslims to gather at prade ground poonch on 23rd morning ie today
A huge rally started from parade ground (one end of main market ) and started looting the shops (which were closed due to bandh call of muslims) .After looting the shops they burnt them by throwing petrol .
This continued for 3 hours untill half of the main bazaar was put to fire,selectively shops of Hindus and few sikhs.
Main features of this vandalism were:
1.All this was pre planned , it was announced a day before through the cars,police didnt sense the gravity of situation and impose the cerfew beforehand.
2.D.C Poonch did not call the army to control the mob.
3. Mob was moving in the form of a regulated procession,selectively burning shop after shop, POLICE WAS ALSO ACCOMPANYING THE MOB ,made no effort to stop it by using cane charge or teargass.
4.Hindus were simply sitting in their homes due to Bandh, later came to know about their shops and properties,started gathering in Main market,SP Poonch reached the spot and started firing in air and teargassing to disperse the people whose properties were vandalised.
HAD THE HINDUS BURNT THE PROPERTIES OF MUSLIMS,ALL THE HR COMMISSIONS WOULD HAVE COME SHOUTING,ALL THE MUSLIMS WOULD HAVE BEEN SHOUTING”ISLAM KHATRE MEIN HAI “BUT WHAT TO SAY OF SECULAR GOVTS ..STILL SLEEPING .
ALL THE ADMINISTRATION IN THIS COUNTRY IS IN HANDS OF DUMB FOOLS,IDOTS AND GOONS…GOD SAVE THIS COUNTRY
WHO THE BLOODY SHIT IS COMMUNAL ???????????????????? isnt these sons of PIGS
Rajesh raina
August 23, 2008 at 7:14 pm
What happened MR.Saadat didnot come back…… I was hoping we will have good and healthy discussion but …….. we will wait till he finishes his reading………………
Anil
Koul Anil
August 23, 2008 at 7:55 pm
Anil
http://kashmir.wordpress.com/2006/06/25/how-mahatma-gandhi-stalled-kashmirs-independence/
You will find a comment from an evil genius of
http://www.xensoftlabs.com/
My point of highlighting this is to make you guys aware that even the educated ones are traitors .
Read what comes trurth from him
“And moreover, you, your family and 80 crore hindus in indiai are standing witness that islam was not spread by force though we muslims ruled india for 800 years.”
And his company has Indian customers why ?
http://www.ikraftsoft.com/
What surely we have that he is not funding SIMI etc …..
Think ….. you know the enemy don’t ignore.
Vicky
August 23, 2008 at 8:09 pm
@@@@but now the reality of islam will make me to think over it
Neha ….
is there anything still left to think about ??
its time we make up our minds ….
there is no time left to think about …
there should only be one motto …
KILL ISLAM AND ISLAMISTS …
chandra
August 24, 2008 at 10:05 am
Guys we need to move from this blog here
http://www.terrorismawareness.org/
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
Can people volunteer here to make sure that we see messages going here too ?
May be team of 5 guys making sure the message goes across these sites , this can be done over weekends .
Just 2 hours on weekends can help our country.
Vicky
August 24, 2008 at 5:43 pm
Guys
Those who are interested in it let me know so that we can plan who will be blogging on which site, this way we can cover more global site with quality data.
Vicky
August 24, 2008 at 7:14 pm
On August 8, while the same politicians spluttered in Delhi and spleened in Srinagar, Farooq and Omar Abdullah chose to ignore the 55th anniversary of a seminal event in the history of Jammu and Kashmir. On the evening of August 8, 1953, Prime Minister Jawaharlal Nehru, using the powers of the Sadar-i-Riyasat Dr Karan Singh, dismissed the government of Sheikh Mohammad Abdullah, authentic hero of the freedom of India and patriarch of a dynasty that has lasted three generations.
The trigger was an intelligence report, sent by the IB officer in charge of Kashmir, B N Mullik, that Abdullah had left for Gulmarg that morning to make secret contact with a representative from Pakistan. The authenticity of this claim remains in doubt, even if time has made its veracity irrelevant. But for Nehru it was part of a pattern that he could not ignore. Abdullah’s unhappiness with Delhi, and Delhi’s disenchantment with Abdullah had become a public fact. Abdullah was certain that India was not secular enough; Delhi was equally sure that Abdullah was not Indian enough.
The suspicion had become septic during an agitation in Jammu that summer, spearheaded by the Jana Sangh (predecessor of the BJP). The Jana Sangh was formed in 1951 by Shyama Prasad Mookerjea, a Bengali stalwart of the freedom movement and member of the first Nehru Cabinet after 1947. One of the four points on the Jana Sangh’s first manifesto, released on October 21, 1951, was full integration of J&K into India. At its second annual session, in December 1952, Mookerjea announced a popular agitation for the abolition of Article 370, which gave the state specific rights.
By this time Abdullah had begun to openly flirt with ambivalence. While he had little sympathy for Pakistan, he began to crouch and leap towards the idea of independence, an option promoted by America without the camouflage of subtlety. In his biography of Nehru, S Gopal, referring to Volume 5 of The Papers of Adlai Stevenson (edited by W Johnson) notes that “some Indian leaders believed that it was Mrs Loy Henderson, wife of the United States Ambassador, and some CIA agents who encouraged Abdullah to think in these terms”.
In the summer of 1950, Abdullah was confident enough to drop broad hints to Sir Owen Dixon, the United Nations representative and publicly rebuke Delhi for giving advice outside defence, external affairs and communications. When Nehru protested, Abdullah sent a letter, dated July 10, 1950, that was a rap on the knuckles rather than a gentle hint: “I have several times stated that we acceded to India because we saw there two bright stars of hope and aspiration, namely Gandhiji and yourself, and despite our having so many affinities with Pakistan we did not join it, because we thought our programme will not fit with their policy. If, however, we are driven to the conclusion that we cannot build our state on our own lines, suited to our genius, what answer can I give to my people and how am I to face them?”
Nehru’s debilitating patience was tested further when Abdullah, in a speech at Ranbirsinghpura on April 10, 1952, dismissed full integration into India as “unrealistic, childish and savouring of lunacy”. He personalized Kashmir’s accession, saying that if anything happened to Nehru, Kashmiris would have to “provide for all eventualities”. Although Abdullah tried to make amends in Delhi and at the Madras Congress session by dismissing the idea of independence as foolish, the nuances of doublespeak (a practice that still flourishes among Kashmiri politicians, and which we have been witness to in the last few weeks with increasing intemperance) increased apprehension. Nehru wrote to Maulana Azad on March 1, 1953, “My fear is that Sheikh Sahib, in his present frame of mind, is likely to do something or take some step, which might make things worse…”
America seemed comfortable with what would be worse for India. Between May 1 and 3, Abdullah met Adlai Stevenson (Democratic candidate against Eisenhower and later to serve as US ambassador to the United Nations), their dialogue ending with a seven-hour conversation at which no one else was present. Rumours of American support for independent Kashmir became rampant, and have still not quite died. (Conferences are still frequently held in Washington offering “solutions” that are akin to independence; one such coincided with the present crisis.) On July 13, 1953, Abdullah went a stage further, saying in public, “Kashmir should have the sympathy of both India and Pakistan…It is not necessary for our State to become an appendage of either India or Pakistan.”
In that fateful summer of 1953, Jammu became the epicentre of a full-blown agitation in collaboration with the Akali Dal, led by Master Tara Singh. Nehru had added some fuel to this fire by conceding a psychologically provocative demand in what has come to be known as the Delhi Agreement, signed in 1952, by which J&K was granted its own flag. The agitation had a powerful slogan: Ek Desh mein do Vidhaan, Ek Desh mein do Nishaan, Ek Desh mein do Pradhaan, nahin challengey nahin challengey. On May 8, 1953, Mookerjea tried to cross the Madhopur bridge on the Jammu border in order to lead the agitation in Jammu. Abdullah ordered his arrest. On June 23, 1953, he died while still under detention in Abdullah’s jail.
The decision to remove Sheikh Abdullah from office had been made at least a week before August 8, on July 31, at a closed-door meeting between Nehru, Mullik and D W Mehra, deputy director of IB, amidst reports that Abdullah was preparing to dismiss what was considered the “pro-India” section of his Cabinet, including his deputy Bakshi Ghulam Mohammad. Mullik describes Nehru as “being nearly overwhelmed by emotion…we realized that he was on the point of uprooting a plant which he had nursed with great care”.
There were few contemporaries for whom Nehru had greater affection or admiration. If Sardar Patel brought the rest of the princely states (barring Hyderabad) into the Union of India, then it was the political-personal friendship of Nehru and Abdullah that brought Kashmir to India. Kashmir was not simply the geographical frontier of secular India, it was also its ideological frontier —in Abdullah’s words, the “stabilizing force for India”.
Hakim and shadhat how ur faces are u have betrayed kashmir and kashmiryat without any cause somebody is using for their benifits.you will become educated slaves in the hands of pakistani terriorist mullahas who preach in the sacrerd place where u worship and talk about killing of peoples”is this written in ur islam “. For the sake of peanut u will loose coconut definetly .No way u will get Azadi………… 61 yrs ur fighting but see our honesty me have not changed demography of kashmir and look at the POK pakistan has changed the whole area kashmiris are their in minority.
Fight for POK get back that area which is with ur Father (pakistan)O.Atleast he will listen as he ur father and as father he will not deny the wish of child.
KP
August 26, 2008 at 2:29 pm
Nehru began the process of assimilation with geography. There were two pre-Partition routes linking Srinagar to its south, one via Murree, Rawalpindi and Lahore, and the second through Sialkot. Neither would be available to India after Partition. There was a miserable third option, a dirt track via Gurdaspur vulnerable to weather.
Gurdaspur was a Muslim-majority district and the whole of it could have easily gone to Pakistan. Before Sir Cyril Radcliffe arrived in India to map partition, Nehru lobbied hard with Mountbatten to keep this dirt tract within India. When the Radcliffe Award was announced on August 16, Gurdaspur had been split along the line of the Ravi, and Nehru had achieved his purpose. Pakistan has consistently claimed that this was done because of the “personal” influence that Nehru had on the Mountbattens. The road link proved vital when war broke out over Kashmir within six weeks of Partition. It is ironic that the first country to blockade supplies to Srinagar was Pakistan, in early October 1947, as a prelude to hostilities. The official excuse was communal disturbances.
Keeping Kashmir in India proved more difficult than its accession: against the war-energy of Pakistan, international pressure and domestic turmoil. Nehru had made one mistake, when taking, under Mountbatten’s advice, the Kashmir issue to the United Nations. He was not going to make another. Friendship with Abdullah became irrelevant. There could be no compromise with the security of India. Sixty people died in the disturbances that followed Abdullah’s dismissal, but a potential threat to Indian unity had been averted.
Five and a half decades later, a successor government of the Congress seems impotent as allies like Mehbooba Mufti brazenly threaten to open links with Pakistan, friends proclaim nationalism in Delhi and duplicity in the valley, and pro-Pakistan leaders like Geelani are “liberated” by crowds with utter contempt for authority.
KP
August 26, 2008 at 2:40 pm
First Abdullah and now mufti , they breath indian air,water,food,currency and even travel freely but still azadi…………..
Do like what china did during the agitation same phylosophy should be used.
Become tough this is pride and prestige of 100crore peoples.
Go Jammu go
KP
August 26, 2008 at 2:45 pm
#Become tough this is pride and prestige of 100crore peoples.
I am just wondering if they can avoid killings and just kick these people across the border in mass, let them go to there Father Pakistan.
The first one should be Geelani, he deserves to be in Pakistan
Vicky
August 26, 2008 at 2:59 pm
to all the KM’s who want partition, this is a comment published in times of india by a user.
“You are asking a partition based on religion. Third option is widely acceptable. I am not sure what do you meant by “It will cause death and destruction”. Are you threatening 100 crores of people which includes Hindus,Muslims,Christians,Sikh,Jain,Buddhist etc etc… and make their life hell? Too bad and communal buddy…Not good for the nation and for the Islam… And about POK, I dont think pakistanis will allow POK to be independent. I dont see any attempts for that in the other side. No agitation or protest at all. So, what does that mean? This happens in India because you can do whatever you want in a democracy??? See this article below from a columnist. No offense intended, but just a fact:: A Kashmiri Muslim student came to see me last week and it was not long before our conversation turned to the current azadi wave in the valley. He did not think that an independent Kashmir was viable, and its only choice was either to be with India or with Pakistan. After a pause he asked guilelessly, why was India a democracy and Pakistan an autocracy? This set me thinking. I told him that Pakistan was more the norm – Third World countries do not generally become stable democracies. India is an exception. India’s democracy and Pakistan’s autocracy have deep roots in history. India’s nationalist movement was older and more widespread. Millions of ordinary Indians were drawn in by Mahatma Gandhi. Muslim nationalism emerged later and did not become a mass movement – Jinnah was more comfortable in the drawing room rather than the ‘dusty road’. While Indians prepared for democracy over three generations, Pakistanis-to-be got the itch only a couple of years before independence. After independence, Pakistan’s politicians performed abysmally. The Muslim League Party disintegrated; there were nine governments in 10 years and the army under Ayub Khan seized power in 1958. Jinnah’s great error was to impose Urdu as the national language when only 8% of Pakistanis spoke Urdu and 55% spoke Bengali. Thus, he sowed the seeds of Bangladesh. Sri Lanka made the same tragic mistake. India did not succumb to this anti-democratic temptation by imposing Hindi. This is how India gave space for sub-identities to flourish, allowed the rise of peoples’ leaders from linguistic states, and deepened democracy. Although his slogan in the 1945-46 elections in undivided India was ‘Islam is in danger’, Jinnah wanted to build a modern nation. Even though General Zia-ul-Haq reinforced theological priority, i do not believe Islam prevents Pakistan from being democratic. The rise of Islamism does tear the ordinary Pakistani’s loyalty between the brotherhood and the state, but the maulvi is not Pakistan’s natural leader as in Iran. The chief obstacle to democracy is the army. Hence, i am relieved that Musharraf is gone. It does create a vacuum that might be filled by extremists, but in the longer term the best thing for India is to have a democratic Pakistan. For a brief moment in the mid-1970s the two nations seemed to converge. Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto began to steer Pakistan towards genuine democracy while Indira Gandhi took India on the path of dictatorship. The paths diverged after 1977 as Mrs Gandhi called an election and Bhutto was executed by Zia in 1979. India returned to the path of democracy, whose binding glue is the liberal notion that all Indians are equal citizens before the law, owing loyalty to the Constitution. This is a British legacy. Before that we were a collection of communities and kingdoms. Although we still feel loyal to our caste or community, we are different from the tragic Pakistanis whose land has been hijacked by the military. Once there is military rule you get a state within a state. You are powerless to stop your secret service from creating monsters like the Taliban and before you know it your country has become the world’s top university for terrorists. I then turned to my young Kashmiri friend. He wished more Kashmiris could come and see India’s vibrant democracy, its confident economy and the rise of the low-born. “There is a simple choice before all Kashmiris,” he said. “If you want to be a citizen of a modern democracy with unparalleled opportunities, you will choose self-assured India. If you believe that Islam is in danger and you want the army’s protection, you will choose tragic Pakistan.”
bye………..till next
venkat
venkat
August 28, 2008 at 7:45 am
nice venkat………..buddy
now all indians understand the bitter truth.
open the eyes of indian to understand secular meaning.
hindus have understood but KM’s has not understood.
KP
August 28, 2008 at 12:17 pm
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August 31, 2008 at 3:25 pm
Congrats to all jammuties and KP’s for their support .
we have won the battle remain united.
I thanks who has take the opportunity to address the Amarnath issue to the world
BAM BAM BHOLE>
JAI MATA DI>
JAI HIND>
KP
August 31, 2008 at 3:28 pm
Ayeesha Ahmad said, on September 4th, 2008 at 2:42 pm
Wondered if u knew about personal Hygiene based on ISLAM, as this is about health check up. Please read it is very long but important, this might help u keep things clean ISLAMIC way….
Use of Islamic Knowledge of Health and Hygiene Is a Must for All Muslims
Ayesah Ahmed
Use of western knowledge is kufr (blasphemy) and its parishioners are apostates and infidels. Only Islamic knowledge of health and hygiene must be used in daily life because Allah has already given that information through Prophet Mohammed for a reason. In Quran he said so many times that he is your role model. Ignoring his sayings is ignoring your deen (religion) punishable with hellfire
The following information is presented for the good health of Muslim umma (believers).
Avoid Sicknesses By Clean Islamic Habbits
HOW TO CLEAN YOURSELF AFTER DEFECATING, THE ISLAMIC WAY
Apostle of God used to clean himself after defecation using only odd number of stones. That is the sunna (examples set by Muhammad). Muslims living in U.S. can go to Home Depot and buy a bag of gravel for this purpose (the used gravel can be good landscaping material).
Bukhari Volume 1, Book 4, Number 163:
Narrated Abu Huraira:
Allah’s Apostle said, ” whoever cleans his private parts with stones should do so with odd numbers. And whoever wakes up from his sleep should wash his hands before putting them in the water for ablution, because nobody knows where his hands were during sleep.”
NEVER USE BONES OR ANIMAL DUNG AFTER DEFECATING
Jinns love to eat bones and dried animal dung. They don’t appreciate the contamination of their favourite delicacy with fecal matter and can pounce on the next guy they find sitting and defecating.
Bukhari Volume 5, Book 58, Number 200:
Narrated Abu Huraira:
That once he was in the, company of the Prophet carrying a water pot for his ablution and for cleaning his private parts. While he was following him carrying it (i.e. the pot), The Prophet said, “Bring me stones in order to clean my private parts, and do not bring any bones or animal dung.”
“What about the bone and the animal dung?” He said, “They are of the food of Jinns. The delegate of Jinns of (the city of) Nasibin came to me–and how nice those Jinns were–and asked me for the remains of the human food. I invoked Allah for them that they would never pass by a bone or animal dung but find food on them.”
HOW TO URINATE
You must keep your right hand clean to hold Quran.
Bukhari Volume 1, Book 4, Number 156:
Narrated Abu Qatada:
The Prophet said, “Whenever anyone of you urinates he should not hold his penis or clean his private parts with his right hand.
WASH YOUR NOSE FROM INSIDE IN THE MORNING
In the morning wash your nose from inside as Satan urinates and defecates inside while spending the night there. Otherwise you will have runny nose all day besides possible nose infections.
Volume 4, Book 54, Number 516:
Narrated Abu Huraira:
The Prophet said, “If anyone of you rouses from sleep and performs the ablution, he should wash his nose by putting water in it and then blowing it out thrice, because Satan has stayed in the upper part of his nose all the night.”
WASH YOUR EARS FROM INSIDE IF YOU WAKE UP LATE
If you wake up late in the morning and miss the fajr prayer, Satan who spends the night in your nose walks out and urinates in your ears. It results in ear infection.
Bukhari Volume 2, Book 21, Number 245:
Narrated ‘Abdullah :
A person was mentioned before the Prophet (p.b.u.h) and he was told that he had kept on sleeping till morning and had not got up for the prayer. The Prophet said, “Satan urinated in is ears.”
Bukhari Volume 4, Book 54, Number 492:
Narrated ‘Abdullah:
It was mentioned before the Prophet that there was a man who slept the night till morning (after sunrise). The Prophet said, “He is a man in whose ears (or ear) Satan had urinated.”
OTHER GOOD HABBITS FOR GOOD HEALTH
Tabari II:99
“Abraham was tested with ten Islamic practices: rinsing the mouth, cleansing nostrils with water, trimming the mustache, using a toothstick, plucking the armpit (ouch), paring nails, washing finger joints, circumcision, shaving pubic hair, and washing the rear and vulva.”
WOMEN MUST BE SHAVED
A shaved woman makes a tired husband after a long journey very happy.
Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 173:
Narrated Jabir bin ‘Abdullah:
The Prophet said, “If you enter (your town) at night (after coming from a journey), do not enter upon your family till the woman whose husband was absent (from the house) shaves her pubic hair .”
WOMEN MUST BE CIRCUMCISED
Circumcision keeps a woman from doing hanky panky thus protecting her from hellfire.
Sunan Abu Dawud Book 41, Number 5251:
Narrated Umm Atiyyah al-Ansariyyah:
A woman used to perform circumcision in Medina . The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said to her: Do not cut severely as that is better for a woman and more desirable for a husband.
MENSTRUATION IS ILLNESS WHICH CAN BE CURED BY FONDLING
Mens
vid123
September 5, 2008 at 11:46 am
please again again i m requesting do not waste your worthy time on watching all types of bitch, bastards, who doesnot have any better news, then hurting hindu sentiments may it be Shriamarnath or ShriRamsethu or ShriRamjanmabhoomi or ShriKrishnajanmabhoomi or ShriKashivishvanathbhoomi or thousands of razed HinduShrines across INDIA PAKISTAN BANGLADESH AFGHANISTAN. FOR kind awareness to all my HINDU brothers & sisters, are you aware that non of the mark my words that non of our BHAGWAN JANMBHOOMI is in our hand. All this sacred worship places,,, ON WHICH MASJID ARE STANDING.HIstory will repeat it self when ALL HINDUS WILL AWAKE & RISE FOR THERE RIGHT.No body is going to come to change the scene we only have to rise for our RIGHT.Now i donot belive in making understand that how we fill.WE DO NOT NEED TO JUSTIFY OUR SELF. This the time for DIRECT ACTION. NOTHING LESS WILL DO EXCEPT, HINDU NATION, HINDURAJ. And most important is who ever, repeat who ever DO NO AGREE THEY SHOULD BE KICKED OUT OUR ONLY HINDU NATION. Now next step should be appointing our HINDU GOVERMENT WITH TAG OF ONLY HINDU NATION . Quote: ALL MUSLIM ARE NOT TERORIST BUT ALL TERORIST ARE MUSLIM. AND we should not forget damm kennth haywood who is still under scrutiny of ATS , they have not given him clean chit.This also shows involvement of UPA CONGRESS SP RJD
vid123
September 5, 2008 at 2:15 pm
#vid123
do Jews have custody of el-kotel ?
do Christians have custody of Nazareth ?
can Bahai’s pray at birth place of Bahai’s prophet ?
can zorastrians can openly follow their faith in the place, where it was born ( Iran ) ?
what happen to tomb of joseph, or what happen Buddha of Bamiyan, or what happen to Hagia Sophia ? well we are not the only one who are at victim side, whole of the world is suffering….
and why ? because of some crazy person from 6th century had pretended to be a prophet, and some idiots follow him…
PM
September 5, 2008 at 3:24 pm
PM
ISLAM ate it all…… The religion of peace broke it all in pieces……
My brothers ISLAM has its horrific plans to take the basic freedom from all the world. ISLAM wants the humanity to be vaporized from earth…. ISLAM will kill our democratic way of life………….
so please we have to know our enemy and it is ISLAM
and we have to fight ISLAM and our ammunition is Quran and ISLAMIC teachings and Life of muhammad itself…..
Muslims are in denial and I am sure there will be light soon all over the world and dark forces of ISLAM will vanish……
Peace be with all of us….
Kuldeep
Kuldeep Trisal
September 5, 2008 at 3:47 pm
#vid 123 ….
i do agree with u on the case of that “kenneth haywood” american …. i had a feeling too that why would he “run away” on the narco test …. ??
the reason he gave was “it alters the mind” ….. just one day on a drug alters the mind ????
thats seems bullshit …. may be he had something to “hide” …
anyways that is the pathetic state of affairs of our police and intelligence … which are merely political now ….
why could we not crack “any case” since 2004 …. IS IT NOT A SHAME ????
is this UPA government kidding the Indian public ….
what the hell are they doing to save the Indian people …. ????
HAS THE LIFE OF AN INDIAN BECOME SO CHEAP ????
do the Indians not care about life …. ??
the Indians are so engrossed in fighting for bread that they have forgotten that they will need the bread only when they have their lives …. ????
THIS IS THE POINT THAT NEEDS TO BE BROUGHT TO THE NOTICE OF THE MIDDLE CLASS AND THE STRUGGLING PUBLIC OF THIS COUNTRY ….
OUR VERY EXISTENCE IS IN DANGER ….
NOT JUST OUR IDENTITY …. THE IDEA OF INDIA IS IN DANGER ….
anybody who thinks he/she can question the idea of India should be severely dealt with ….
one point that needs to be highlighted here is ….
had it not been for Modi who is heading a BJP government … nothing would have come out of all this …
ARE WE AFRAID OF ACTING AGAINST TERRORISTS …. ????
TIME FOR CHANGE PEOPLE ….
i hope everyone here who is talking so fondly of ISLAMIC TROUBLES AND ISLAMIC TERRORISM … and enlightening the world ….
time to ACT HAS COME IN YOUR “OWN BACKYARD” HAS COME AS WELL ….
WE HAVE TO VOTE OUT THIS GOVERNMENT AND BRING NATIONALIST GOVERNMENT …
the enlightenment being done here is amazing … but it will be hollow if we are talking all here and in our own country people are dying in every city and town by these same very people and we are just chatting and commenting here …
THAT WILL BE A WASTE OF ALL THIS ENLIGHTENMENT ….
i know there will still be more blasts … this is a war we are into … and we have to get our best soldiers into place …. not people who surrender to the world and cant take action ….
so i really hope that people are willing to leave the comfort of there homes in this coming elections and ready to vote this time ….
i hope people will show support for this cause as well …
i hope people here will show support for this cause ….
chandra
September 5, 2008 at 5:02 pm
DEAR CHANDRA,
LIFE OF AN HINDUSTANI CAN NOT BE CHEAP, THE UPA LEFTIST & REGIONAL PARTY ARE THINKING THAT WAY BUT WE HAV TO KEEP ON FIGHTING AT EVERY POSSIBLE LEVEL,& LIKE RSS PRACHARAK DO IT, THEY R NEVER TIERED, THEY KEEP IT GOIN TIL THERE GOAL HAS ACHIVED, WE JUST HAVE KEEP PASSING A THOUGHT & AWARENESS AMONG PPL, &
BRING OUR GOVERMENT TO ABSOLUTE POWER, & TO CHANGE THE CONSTITUTION.
PPL WILL & ARE GOING TO GIVE US SUPPORT, YOU GO THROUGH MEDIA YOU CAN SEE THE CHANGE AMONG PPL,
OUR CAUSE IS NOT ONLY FOR OUR RIGHT OF EXISTANCE……………BUT FOR OUR FUTUR GENERATION,
vid123
September 5, 2008 at 6:01 pm
@Vicky
I have Indain customers because I provide them with good service.
Moreover, I think Indian IT industry still has some sensibility left. They are more interested in my high quality services than worry about my views about history and world politics.
Mir Nazim
September 23, 2008 at 11:55 pm
@ Mir,
where u live in india or in pakistan……….
It is called the modesty of secular india…..were do u stand.
KP
kashmirihindu
September 24, 2008 at 1:44 pm
@Kashmiri Hindu
Woah! Brother you are mixing up things. What has business to do with secularism.
Moreover, I don’t live in India neither do I live in Pakistan. I live in Kashmir.
I have clients from all over the world, be it US, Europe or India. All of my clients are very well aware of my views on world politics, be it Israel, Palestine, Kashmir or anything else and all of them respect my views as I respect theirs and as I respect yours, even though I may not fully agree with them.
There is no way that everyone can have same views on all the issues of world. So What we need, is some way to put order to this chaos. This can only be done through dialog process, peaceful demonstrations and trying to achieve the aspirations of the deprived and oppressed.
Mir Nazim
September 25, 2008 at 9:49 am
@Mir Kasim
I never pointed that anything about the service you provide, well that is the way the youth in Kashmir should go and grab opportunity.
>>Moreover, I think Indian IT industry still has some >>sensibility left
What made you to say some sensibility?
I have seen KM’s in many of the IT’s companies, so why do you crib now saying some sensibility.
I hope you don’t support SIMI and ISLAMIC terrorism.
You fight for your land and I too but yes gracefully and with respect.
Peace.
Vicky
September 25, 2008 at 11:28 am
@vicky
I am not cribbing. That sentence was rhetoric.
1) I do not know what SIMI is. I just came to know about it from news in last couple of years. I have not met them nor do I know them. So I do not have any opinion about them, whether good or bad. My opinions are formed only on informed decisions. I am know to change my opinion based on new facts arising from time to time.
2) There is no such thing as ISLAMIC TERRORISM. If there is then I can point you to things like HINDU TERRORISM, CHRISTIAN TERRORISM, JEWISH TERRORISM and everything in every nook and corner of world and within people of every faith.
(Burning of churches in Kadhamal and Banglore. Even children and nuns were burned alive within them. Is that also ISLAMIC TERRORISM or was SIMI involved in that too.)
Yes we fight for our land and we fight for one promise India made to Kashmiris.
see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instrument_of_Accession_(Jammu_and_Kashmir)
Check the last para
Mir Nazim
September 25, 2008 at 12:33 pm
mr nazim… i agree with u wht u said about so and so hindu did this or that…obviously if 100 people are standing 5 of them will be bad..but why is the problem with ur people tht evey 2nd muslim favours this kind of tersm …. tell me why the max. no. of killing in this world is by muslims or so called islamic terrorism… tell me why muslims always have a problem …
for hw much time u want to shut our mouth and face these kind of killings ..
we people are peace loving people and if a person even frm our religion is wrong …we all will stand agnst him …but wht about u..???
think and answer…
pamposh
September 25, 2008 at 5:57 pm
and ya one more thing …fight for ur land ..but don’t forget we won’t let u …thats our motherland …
pamposh
September 25, 2008 at 5:59 pm
@pamposh
You say:
Could you produce your proof.
Here are some major problems in the world related to Muslims.
1) Palestine – Jews come to the Palestine as refugees, create a contry out of the refugee came and drive Palestinians out. When Palestine fights back, its called TERRORISM.
2) Kashmir – we are just asking you to fulfillment promises that were made to us 6 decades ago. Is it so difficult to understand.
3) All other blast/incidents like 9/11, 7/7 Mumbai train blasts, delhi, ahmedabad, jaipur, mecca masjid etc blasts. All the news channels are saying
Al Qaida – SUSPECT
SIMI – SUSPECT
SUSPECT SUSPECT SUSPECT SUSPECT.
Not a single one says proven.
And according to law everyone is innocent until proven guilty.
No I do not know SIMI and I do not know Al Qaida. I cannot form my opinion on what news tell me. because we know many a times news are created to convey a particular opinion. There is freedom of media. but media is not un-biased.
So next time you talk about ISLAMIC TERRORISM talk with proof. Otherwise shut your mouth.
You further say:
Of course it is your motherland also(provided you are a kashmiri) and we Kashmiris(Muslim or otherwise) will give our lives to protect your right to your motherland. Right to self determination belongs to you also.
And tell me one thing. Is Free Kashmir just my dignity? Does it mean nothing to you? Don’t you think it is also your dignity.
And talking about you allowing us to fight for our land. DUDE who is asking your permission? Kashmir will be A Free Nation as it once was – with you or without you.
Those opposing the freedom struggle in Kashmir can go take a ride. Can you point out who is accepting India’s claim of “Kashmir is integral part” ion the international community.
In just last few months, with more than 3 million people on the roads have proven to the world that brushing the Kashmir issue under the carpet won’t do any good.
Moreover, opening of Srinagar-Muzaffarabad trade route is our first victory. Be ready more victories to follow.
Mir Nazim
September 25, 2008 at 8:06 pm
Mir Nazim,
I am surprised and impressed with the kind of ease you say ISLAM and terrorism OR ISLAMIC TERRORISM DOESNOT EXIST….
I know ACCORDING TO U people are writing things that are not real ….. BUT then look at some of the Videos — In which people chant with devotion and dedication and love for ALLAH and ALLAH HU ALBAR etc etc while BEHEADING HUMANS AND TAKE VIDEOS TO SHOW ON INTERNET—- I GUESS U WILL CLAIM THESE VIDEOS ARE FAKE TOO…
I CAN ONLY LAUGH AT UR IGNORANCE OF ISLAM….
Sorry almost forgot — videos BROWSE to Bottom of page to download these videos…
http://www.nomullas.net/beheadings.html
ALSO WARNING if u cant see Beheadings of HUmans please avoid seeing — last thing dont play them in front of kids — please
“above warning doesnot apply to islamic terrorists and their families they can watch — after all they are there heros — AS THEY SAY ALLAH HU AKBAR”
do u need more proof of islamic terrorism….
Anil
Koul Anil
September 25, 2008 at 9:42 pm
@Koul Anil
These videos again do not count as proof. These can easily be invented.
It just take a qualified person, a few actors and I will show you people killing and beheading people saying har har mahadev or helleluya or what ever you want.
Mir Nazim
September 25, 2008 at 10:02 pm
MOST OF THE VIDEOS WERE AIRED ON AL-JAZEERA — WONDER WHY THEY WOULD FABRICATE THAT IS MUSLIM TV — AND PEOPLE DO FABRICATE — EVEN QURAN AND SURAS QUOTED BY UR OWN MUSLIMS THAT PREECH KILLINGS — ARE FABRICATED— WOW WOW WOW — QUOTES OF ALI SINA REFERING TO QURAN AND AUTHENTIC TRANSLATIONS ARE FABRICATED TOO— COME ON SAY NOW QURAN WAS FABRICATED BY MUHAMMAD TOO TO GAIN POWER — THERE IS NO ALLAH THAT GAVE QURAN… ACCEPT IT DUDE
THEN WHAT IS THE PROOF THAT YOU KASHMIRI MUSLIMS ARE NOT FABRICATING THE KILLINGS AND RAPES BY INDIAN ARMY — WOW THAT CANT BE BECAUSE U WANT TO PO TRAY MUSLIM AND ISLAMIC FEELINGS — WHAT IS THE PROOF THAT U DID NOT FABRICATE THE VIDEOS OF KASHMIRI MUSLIM WHORES CRY AND SAY THEY WERE RAPED…. WHAT IS THE PROOF—
NOW FINALLY U ACCEPTED U CAN FABRICATE THE VIDEOS PEOPLE SAYING HAR HAR MAHADAVE OR HELLELUYA AND —- WHAT EVER U WANT —
ANY WAY THOSE WERE REAL VIDEOS AND U CAN WATCH THEM AGAIN AND TELL ME WHICH VIDEO WAS FAKE AND WHAT MADE U BELIEVE THAT WAS FAKE —
HAVE FUN MR.ISLAMIC TERRORIST…..
ANIL
Koul Anil
September 25, 2008 at 10:34 pm
1. Can you point me to a source saying that they were from al-jazeera. the sites referred to you does not cite that.
2. You say Quran is fabricated. Prove it. Simple. Challenge of Quran is open for past 1400 years.
http://www.youtube.com/v/Yib9_x4gTHw&autoplay=1
3. Taking about kashmir. Atrocities or not. We still do not want to be with India.
4. Your shouting shows your frustrations, ill informed decisions and irrational and baseless hatred of Muslims based on propaganda.
If calling me a terrorist gives you pleasures, please go ahead call every Muslim a terrorist. We care a damn.
Mir Nazim
September 26, 2008 at 12:00 am
Moreover, I have seen and gone through all the arguments by the websites and people(e.g ali sina) you talk about about.
They seldom rise above the level of mediocrity. Arguments presented are vague, present history in a twisted way and nothing more than vomit of hatred. Nothing intellectual there.
I wonder whatever happened to the intellect of the people like you.
Mir Nazim
September 26, 2008 at 12:04 am
MINE WILL SOUND LIKE SHOUTING BUT i LOVE UPPER CASE SO PLEASE READ:
1. Can you point me to a source saying that they were from al-jazeera. the sites referred to you does not cite that.
I HAVE POINTED SO MANY VIDEOS AND I AM SURE U CAN READ LANGUAGE AND HEAR THEM… SOURCES ARE MANY… DO U THINK THE ISLAMIC TERRORISTS HAVE A WEBSITE –NO BUT THEY SEND VIDEOS AND AUDIOS TO ALL THE NEWS AGENCIES LIKE — OSAMA DID IN PAST— SO THEY ARE ALL PUT IN ONE PLACE BUT SEE THEM CAREFULLY AND TELL ME HOW AND WHEN AND WHERE THEY ARE FABRICATED — I AM SURE SOME ISLAM LOVING PEOPLE WOULD HAVE BUSTED THE LIES LONG BACK IF THEY WERE—- BUT THEY DID NOT…
SEE WHAT HAPPENED WORLD WIDE FOR CARTOONS OF MUHAMMAD — HOW COME NO MUSLIM PROTESTED FOR THIS AND BURNED PUBLIC PROPERTIES —
2. You say Quran is fabricated. Prove it. Simple. Challenge of Quran is open for past 1400 years.
FIRSTLY IT WAS FOOLISH FOR MUHAMMAD TO PUT THAT VERSE IN IT — BTW THE WHITE BEARDED MAN NEVER TALKED ANY SENSE AND THAT BOOK SOUNDED VERY MUCH LIKE QURAN — ALL THAT PERSON ASKED WAS WORDS WERE USED — BUT IF I HAVE TO WRITE A BETTER BOOK IN ENGLISH THEN ALSO I WILL STILL USE THE SAME WORDS THAT ARE USED IN PORNOGRAPHIC BOOK… THAT IS BEAUTY OF LANGUAGE NOT QURAN—
TO ME IT IS WASTE OF TIME TO EVEN COPY SATANIC VERSES….
3. Taking about kashmir. Atrocities or not. We still do not want to be with India.
WELL NOW U ARE INDIRECTLY SAYING THERE WERE NO ATROCITIES ON MUSLIMS BY INDIAN ARMY — BUT WHAT ABOUT KILLINGS AND ATROCITIES KASHMIRI MUSLIMS DID TO US — REMEMBER 1989 — THAT IS NOT FABRICATED LIKE UR VIDEOS — THAT IS FACT
4. Your shouting shows your frustrations, ill informed decisions and irrational and baseless hatred of Muslims based on propaganda.
I HAVE QUOTED WEBSITES AND QURAN MANY TIMES AND UR OWN RELIGIOUS BOOKS — SO WHAT IS IRRATIONAL AND FABRICATED — I AM NOT FRUSTRATED JUST BECAUSE I LOVE UPPERCASE — I AM HERE MAKING U AWARE OF UR OWN IGNORANCE—- AND UR IGNORANCE ABOUT ISLAM
If calling me a terrorist gives you pleasures, please go ahead call every Muslim a terrorist. We care a damn.
I KNOW U PEOPLE DONT LIKE TERRORIST NAME BUT THE FACT IS FACT CALL IT ALQAIDA, MUJADHEEN, SIMI, JKLF, OR ANY DARN NAME– THEY ARE FUNDAMENTAL OF QURAN THROWN AROUND– AND WHAT QURAN TEACHED IS NO GOOD FOR HUMANITY MORE SO IN PRESENT CENTURY — UNLESS ISLAM DESTROYS EVERYTHING AND TAKES WORLD BACK TO 6TH CENTURY — MAY BE UR BARBARIC ISLAM MAY WORK—-
#
Moreover, I have seen and gone through all the arguments by the websites and people(e.g ali sina) you talk about about.
I AM VERY PLEASE U DID THAT AND SOONER OR LATER U WILL REALISE HOW TRUE IT IS—
They seldom rise above the level of mediocrity. Arguments presented are vague, present history in a twisted way and nothing more than vomit of hatred. Nothing intellectual there.
I WONDER WHAT IS THAT GREAT AND INTELLECTUAL U WERE LOOKING FOR THAT U DONT FIND IN HUMANITY BUT U SEEM TO FIND IN ISLAM, QURAN AND IN LIFE OF MUHAMMAD — WHICH IS NO HIDDEN SECRET ANY MORE THANKS TO INTERNET—
I wonder whatever happened to the intellect of the people like you.
PEOPLE LIKE ME WERE IGNORANT WHEN ISLAM HIT US IN 1989 AND WE DECIDED TO UNDERSTAND ISLAM — I GUESS WE ARE MORE KNOWLEDGEABLE TODAY ABOUT ISLAM THAN WE WERE IN 1989 WHEN ISLAMIC TERRORISM HIT KASHMIRI PANDITS—-
AFTER THROWING US OUT OF KASHMIR IN 1989 NOW MUSLIMS ARE PLAYING POLITICS USING NON-VIOLENT APPROACH —– FUNNY BUT IT IS ISLAM THAT SPEAKS THROUGH EACH KASHMIRI MUSLIM — KASHMIRIYAT AND ALL THAT CRAP IS GOOD FOR BOOKS AND BLOGS—-
HAVE FUN—MR MIR—
HERE IS SITE AGAIN FOR THOSE WHO MISSED MY EARLIER COMMENT SEE VIDEOS AT BOTTOM OF THAT PAGE AND TELL MR.MIR HOW FAKE THEY ARE AND DO THEY REPRESENT THE TRUTH ABOUT ISLAMIC TERRORISM — IT SEEMS LIKE HE CAM MAKE THE SAME TYPE OF VIDEOS AT HOME OR IN HIS BACKYARD — HA HA HA JOKE—
http://www.nomullas.net/beheadings.html
ALSO WARNING if u cant see Beheadings of HUmans please avoid seeing — last thing dont play them in front of kids — please
“above warning doesnot apply to islamic terrorists, MUSLIMS and their families they can watch — after all they are there heros — AS THEY SAY ALLAH HU AKBAR AND SHARE SAME ISLAMIC FUNDAMENTALS”
ANIL
KOUL ANIL
September 26, 2008 at 1:59 am
well as per me palstine and the problem of kashmir is totally diff.. we ie kashmiri pandits are the orignal inhabitants of kashmir and u drove us out… now please don’t ask like boman irani that sabut kya hai…
its looks good on telv only.here it looks fuuny…
open ur eyes and see ..everyone in this world knows that who attacked wtc … bombblasts by blh blah group… and one more thing tht so and so group is not only suspect but they confesss…proudly tht ya we did this or tht..
don’t say that u don’t know wht simi is …it seems as if ur saying tht so and so terrst org is not so but for charity …we all are not fools
proofs …well i think here enough proofs were given by my frnds ..so now its ur time to prove them wrong …the burden is now on u .. to prove them innocent ..
but still i wonder tat u are asking for prof..
well for me …i m living in a free nation…idon’t undrstnd why don’t u think that u r in a free nation….. god help u ..
free kashmir is not my dignity …it can be dignity only for those who wnt to make it a complete muslim state….no other person can live in dignity …thats wht u want … i m secular person and i m proud to be an indian …
i m no one to give u permission …but ya i m a state subject and kashmiri so u r no one to decide my right …its more than u…0k…
i bet ..u can’t u ll never get kashmir seperted frm india …its my wish …wish of 4 lakh kashmiri pandits and the rest of india..
go ft
pamposh
September 26, 2008 at 4:51 am
@Mir Nazim
>>If calling me a terrorist gives you pleasures, please >>go ahead call every Muslim a terrorist. We care a damn
We are on the fight, we hate you for what you have done to us. Yes I wanted to return you guys all what you had given to us, call it as venom I care a damn.
Most of the KP’s who have seen the migration phase will not forget/forgive you, the same is true for your generation who have seen hard time.
Now the point is how to get our land back, this is for KP’s.Will the handful of KP’s of our generation can get it, I see a very less chance but then nothing is impossible.
We had never dreamed that we would be driven out of valley so there could be possibilty that we may return back… which you would have never dreamt and would not like.
Let us watch, the time will decide.
>>I wonder whatever happened to the intellect of the >>people like you.
We are doing good in life but only have forgotten that we need to return you guys back what we have got from you.
@pamposh
>>i bet ..u can’t u ll never get kashmir seperted frm >>india …its my wish
Yes…
Peace
Vicky
September 26, 2008 at 5:24 am
>>3. Taking about kashmir. Atrocities or not. We still do >>not want to be with India.
even if you don’t want you are still with INDIA, I can understand your frustration.
>>baseless hatred of Muslims based on propaganda
this is crap, we(KP’s) have been hit by KM’s(Islamic Terrorism) and you deserve our hatred, it is human tendency and we don’t want to be like Gandhi’s/Nehru now.
I don’t have anything about the muslims in India but yes hatred against KM’s ……
Peace
Vicky
September 26, 2008 at 5:32 am
>>SEE WHAT HAPPENED WORLD WIDE FOR CARTOONS OF MUHAMMAD
A cartoon could have lead to world war 3, even the UP’s muslim MLA had announced 51 crore prize money for the person who would behead the danish guys who made those cartoons.
I fear that the ISLAM might initiate the world war 3
Peace
Vicky
September 26, 2008 at 5:38 am
@Mir Nazim
>>I wonder whatever happened to the intellect of the >>people like you.
I was in favor of letting Kashimir free earlier, but information available across net and seeing the acts of ISLAMIC terrorism I have changed my opinion.
I am not in favor of letting Kashmir free at any COST now.
The problem with KP’s is that they are ignorant about the root cause of issue ie ISLAM, we need to be tough with the EVIL enemy … no mercy for them …..
Peace
Vicky
September 26, 2008 at 5:44 am
no mercy ..for these people…planning for the etenic cleaning of kashmiri pandits since 15th century ..wait and watch ….the day is not far ..when every terrst of india is dead .
now we can’t tolerate nymore …
pamposh
September 26, 2008 at 6:24 am
Hello to all the friends over here
I had distanced myself from this blog for nearly a month and today being a holiday i thought of seeing the blog again , reason being our KAshmiri brethren mostly Kashmir pandits frequent this blog.
However i must say the blog is losing sheen as it is more of an anti Isalm brigade and a majority of visitors spew venom against religion and diverge from the issue of the plight of Kashmiri Pandits.
innocuous tyro
September 26, 2008 at 6:44 am
before commenting on us …just prove that this man said wrong about ur religion..
HELLO BROTHERS
ASLAM WALAY KUM
ALLAH HAS ASKED US TO SPREAD ISLAM ALL OVER THE WORLD. INSHAH ALLAH ISLAM WILL RULE THE WORLD AND HOLY QURAN WILL BE READ EVERYWHERE….
KAFIRS ARE WRITING ALL OVER THE INTERNET ON THE SITES LIKE http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/ AND I DONT THINK THAT IS RIGHT. THEY DONT UNDERSTAND THAT ISLAM REALLY MEANS PEACE. AND WE ARE PEACE LOVING RELIGION.
AND IF ANYONE SAYS BAD THINGS ABOUT OUR HOLY QURAN OR PROPHET MUHAMMAD(PBUH) LA ILLAH ILA ALLAH — WE SWEAR OUR ALLAH HAS COMMANDED US IN THE VERSE 2:191 THROUGH 2:193:
Waoqtuloohum haythu thaqiftumoohum waakhrijoohum min haythu akhrajookum waalfitnatu ashaddu mina alqatli wala tuqatiloohum AAinda almasjidi alharami hatta yuqatilookum feehi fain qatalookum faoqtuloohum kathalika jazao alkafireena
Faini intahaw fainna Allaha ghafoorun raheemun
Waqatiloohum hatta la takoona fitnatun wayakoona alddeenu lillahi faini intahaw fala AAudwana illa AAala alththalimeena
WE ARE ALL READY TO FIGHT JEHAD FOR OUR HOLY QURAN AND MUHAMMAD…. REMEMBER HOW U KAFIRS RAN OUT OF KASHMIR — SOON WE WILL TAKE ALL THE INDIA…. INSHAH ALLAH
FARHAD
FARHAD KHAN
24 Sep 08 at 2:49 pm…..
pamposh
September 26, 2008 at 6:46 am
THis fellow brother has litle knowledge and that is dangerous . Religion must not be discused as that is a personal affair and teh endeavour of all in a religious discussion is to malign the other faith .
Farhad has said one thing right and that is teh definition of the word ISLAM which means submission to teh will of Almighty
innocuous tyro
September 26, 2008 at 7:16 am
@pampsoh @vicky @koul
You have a problem with Islam. Forget about it let’s talk about Kashmir.
Everything on Kashmir seems to boil down on Kashmiri Pandits.
Can I ask you a question.
1) WHY DID MUSLIMS DRIVE YOU OUT OF KASHMIR??
It is a simple question, give me a simple one line answer. I don’t want to read a thesis.
Mir Nazim
September 26, 2008 at 7:24 am
@all
i also think we ought to talk about Kashmir and not Islam as the outcome of religious discources is hate and slander coupled with superlatives to malign the faiths.
373 Kashmiri Pandits ( 209 as per DGP Kuldeep Khoda who himself is a Kashmiri Pandit) lost there lives at the onset of militancy. It was an unfortunate and a very wrong thing to have happened . However the exodus of a community on the killing of 373 people seems to be something else and may not be entirely related to the killings. However whatever happened to teh Pandit brethren was sinful, bad and regrettable. It should not have happened.
On the contrary more than two lacs Kashmiri muslims have also been killed mostly by securit forces of India but these souls hardly find a mention in this blog.
The bottomline is KASHMIRIS have suffered and it is teh time to fight for teh Kashmir cause jointly.
innocuous tyro
September 26, 2008 at 7:35 am
>>1) WHY DID MUSLIMS DRIVE YOU OUT OF KASHMIR??
Because we were born HINDUS.
I never believed that ISLAM had a problem I though the problem was with KM’s only but that is wrong the ISLAM had a problem and KM’s were affected by, as simple as that.
Peace
Vicky
September 26, 2008 at 7:37 am
>>killing of 373 people seems to be something else
It is not killing physically, you have emotionally KILLED 4lk Kashmiri Pandits ….
Yes you guys also had suffered and are suffering but broaden your mind and see where is the problem?
PS:No religion has ever done good to man kind.
Peace
Vicky
September 26, 2008 at 7:41 am
@ innocuous tyro
>>However the exodus of a community on the killing of 373 >>people seems to be something else and may not be >>entirely related to the killings.
yes i know you would state it was JagMohan ….
But the fact is it was the self respect / Honour / Dignity that drove us away ….
You will not understand how difficult is to break our attachment to Kashir … My personal wish is to go back and live freely which I don’t see happening because you guys won’t like free society( not you but majority of you want sharia rule in valley)
Peace
Vicky
September 26, 2008 at 7:49 am
I agree, with relegion bashing etc, this otherwise great blog is losing its sheen.
My friends should realize that this way the world would see them only as extremists and the whole purpose of the blog and the Kashmiri Hindu struggle for last so many years gets lost.
Rahul Koul
September 26, 2008 at 7:57 am
Can I ask you a question.
1) WHY DID MUSLIMS DRIVE YOU OUT OF KASHMIR??
It is a simple question, give me a simple one line answer. I don’t want to read a thesis.
THANKS MR NAZIM FOR ADMITTING THAT U DROVE US OUT …OTHERWISE UR BROTHERS SAID IT WAS JAGMOHAN
AND ONE MORE THING …MR TRYO U SEEM TO BE VERY CONCIOUS ABOUT THE KNOWLEDGE OF THE PEOPLE AROUND … NYWAYS TELL ME HOW FAR IS IT RIGHT TO KILL PEOPLE ON THE NAME OF ALLAH…
FARHAD PROVED WHT UR RELIGION IS …WE DON’T NEED TO DISCUSS IT ..
ITS OPEN
pamposh
September 26, 2008 at 8:09 am
Still you not answered my question. here it is again.
Why do you think Muslims drove out Hindus in Kashmir?
Come one. One line. No thesis.
Mir Nazim
September 26, 2008 at 8:30 am
@all,
any one in this blog do not want a religious based discussion. agreed…
but what are we discussing? …..religion based hatred towards other religions by Muslims all over the world. because of this entire world is suffering of productivity, economy, poverty….reason with these guys they wont listen….simply even the educated fools in their community(muslims)say and follow the path of jihad, because it is mentioned in quran to kill all kafirs and establish NIZAM-E-MUSTAFA.
it boils down to the religion aspect in the foundation of their(muslims) thinking & behaviour.
So what should we discuss?…..
venkat
venkat
September 26, 2008 at 8:36 am
@Mir Nazim
>>Why do you think Muslims drove out Hindus in Kashmir?
I have answered it earlier, I repeat
“Because we were born HINDUS”
Peace
Vicky
September 26, 2008 at 8:38 am
Mr. Mir Nazim,
####Why do you think Muslims drove out Hindus in Kashmir?######
Ans: Because of kasmir muslim’s “humanity”.
*note: pls check thesarus for the meaning “humanity”
venkat
venkat
September 26, 2008 at 8:39 am
@Vivky
Cool. Now question 2:
Why would Muslims want to drive out Hindus?
Again. Just one line.
We all know all the background, so no point discussing again. Just one line.
Mir Nazim
September 26, 2008 at 8:47 am
mr nazim …because u wantd a muslim state…ok ..
pamposh
September 26, 2008 at 8:53 am
@pamposh
So do you mean that we drove out Hindus because we want a Muslim state and do not want non muslims here?
Is that what you mean?
Just Yes or No
Mir Nazim
September 26, 2008 at 8:55 am
is this a quiz contest?????
pamposh
September 26, 2008 at 8:56 am
Mr. Mir Nazim,
#####We all know all the background, so no point discussing again. Just one line#####
i think instead of brain you have wriggling worm in the small place of your head, which is trying to come out of the shit in which it is placed.
when you know the answer, why do you ask?
pls enlighten us with the information you have in your worm head.
no doubt you guys do everything in reverse, you have brain in the knee. what a idiot……….
venkat
venkat
September 26, 2008 at 8:58 am
Well i disagree with Nazim that muslims drove pandits out, it was primarily threat for life that drove the Pandits away . On the flip side of it they lost their identity, they lost their homeland and they lost their culture . Pandits are consious of the veracity of them going into oblivion in the near future.
Agreed that they left for fear of life but they show no signs of returning back , they keep pre conditions , they demand a separete land along teh Jehlum.
If a handful of people killed pandits , teh Pandit community shoudl not use the same benchmark for all Kashmiris. Moreso teh person who did teh mass killings has already been behind teh gallows for years and may face death penalty soon.
Bygones are bygones , discussing history wont heal wounds. If 373 Kashmir Pandits ahev lost their lives , so have more than 2 lac KAshmiri muslims.
Nazim is not correct when he boasts that Muslims drove Pabdits out, he needs to get his facts right. How many pandit famlies got life threats , not all . How many muslim neighbours killed their pandit neighbours , none. But that does become a reason for an exodus , that does not become a reason to label all Kashmir muslims as killers.
As someone here said Pandits left because this was teh best option for them as per them. BUt i dont think so it had more pitfalls than merits.
However as my scores of pandit friends told me that on the night of 21 Jan 1990 one voice in unison reached all temples of KAshmir that Pamdits shoudl leave. It was a conspiracy hatched by teh then Governor. Who proved it also by massacaring thousands of KAshmiris that year.
Everyone speaks about teh killed Pandits but seldom a soul supports the 2 lac kashmiris killed in teh turmoil.
innocuous tyro
September 26, 2008 at 8:59 am
@pamposh
No this is not a quiz contest. Answer if you wan to.
@innocuous tyro
Could you please keep quite for a moment. I am trying to discuss something
Mir Nazim
September 26, 2008 at 9:07 am
@venkat
you seem to derive pleasure ridiculing others . I am afraid it is not the forte of prudent person , neither of a kannadiga.
If you want to undermine any human you would get undermined so please say your point dont demean anyone by beibg satirical and abusive.
ALso when you say what else can we talk about by pointing to muslims you seem to forget what is happening in India and in your own Karnataka
Hoem Minister today said Bajrang Dal is behind the violence on churches. What happened in Kerala you seem to ignore.
If we dont cry hoarse against Hindus when a handful of so called hindus kill Christians with disdain why do you engulf teh whole Muslim fraternity when a few so called muslims do anti islamic acvts.
So it is better not to discuss religion , let us delve on KASHMIR our MAUJ KASHEER.
innocuous tyro
September 26, 2008 at 9:07 am
@Mir
>>Why would Muslims want to drive out Hindus?
Because we were pro Indians and would not have supported you guys(anti-indians) and your agitation.
You guys could not have won with us using PEN but yes physically always as you were in majority.
Peace
Vicky
September 26, 2008 at 9:08 am
mr nazim…i alredy wrote… my answer
ad i agree with vicky.
pamposh
September 26, 2008 at 9:12 am
@nazim
fair enough , if you are disBut for me it sans rationale when you do not raise an issue which is worthwhile
innocuous tyro
September 26, 2008 at 9:14 am
ad tryo jee..
well it was not the conspiracy of jagmohan…one one side u said tht lashmiris left because of fear of life and on the otherside u said tht it was a consrp..
mr nazim and tryo ..
nswr me …if some geelani will tell u to leave ur homeland ie kashmir …will u leave it and live intents and roads ..just becuse geelani said….
no body will leave ..unless and untill one feels a grave danger of life …
pamposh
September 26, 2008 at 9:16 am
well i think u are unawre of the annoucements on loudspeakers …
pamposh
September 26, 2008 at 9:19 am
innocuous tyro
welcome back!
pls read my previous comment,
####@all,
any one in this blog do not want a religious based discussion. agreed…
but what are we discussing? …..religion based hatred towards other religions by Muslims all over the world. because of this entire world is suffering of productivity, economy, poverty….reason with these guys they wont listen….simply even the educated fools in their community(muslims)say and follow the path of jihad, because it is mentioned in quran to kill all kafirs and establish NIZAM-E-MUSTAFA.
it boils down to the religion aspect in the foundation of their(muslims) thinking & behaviour.
So what should we discuss?…#####
is the bane for all the issues in kashmir problem is it not religion?
what was blaring again and again from the mosque when you drove out the kashmir pandits from their home land?
can you pls explain.
i dont know what is “derive pleasure ridiculing others”, but i do know what pleasure you guys get when some bombs you blasted in the mid of society.
As for as attacks on chritians, where did you get the information that anyone was killed in karnataka.
pls provide me the information of the people killed, i can inform the congress guys to look for the bodies so that they will have a valid point to remove the BJP govt in karnataka. people in karnataka know why the churches were attacked, have you seen any massive protest against it? just use your brain & check with the local media ( not CNN, NDTV). they will give you the information.
venkat
venkat
September 26, 2008 at 9:26 am
@Vivky and @pamposh
Both of you have different answers.
Pamposh your say that you were driven out because you were Hindus and a muslim state was intention.
Your answer:
If we the original aim was to drive out Non-Muslims why were Sikhs not driven out. There are Christians and other faiths also living here. Yes true, Sikhs also lost lives but they did not flee. There are still numerous of Hindus who are still living here. One of the biggest and largest general store in Amira Kadal and Lal Chowk belongs to a Hindu.
No body drove you out. You left at your will. I do not deny that there were killings . People were killed irrespective of religion. You chose to leave your motherland while Sikhs chose to be here.
@vicky
Your reason is that you were driven out because you were Pro-Indian.
I respect it fully. Everyone has right to choose. You have one and SO DO I and ALL THE PEOPLE OF KASHMIR.
What’s the majority opinion in Kashmir. Over 95% want Freedom. So what should be done to those who are a road block in the way of Freedom.
My Answer.
ANYONE WHO STANDS IN THE WAY OUR FREEDOM(MUSLIM OR NON-MUSLIM), DRIVE THEM OUT. THEY HAVE NO PLACE IN KASHMIR.
And if you are among them. You can also get lost.
YOU WANT INDIA,
YOU GOT INDIA,
NOW LIVE IN INDIA
AND DIE IN INDIA
Mir Nazim
September 26, 2008 at 9:43 am
wow ..great mr nazim………frm one side u said why muslims drove u out..and on the otherside u r saying no body drove u out.. ur points contradicting …first make them clear..
rest about sikhs let me tell u one think that at the time of 1989 …kashmiri pandits were targeted not sikhs because u knew sikhs will not interfre in ur freedom … u wnt to copy pakistan … in pakistan sikhs live with dignity but hindus are considered 4th class citzens ..that is also a muslim state …..
we can’t live under sharia law in a muslim sate …if few hindus want ..they can ..if sikhs want they can..
>>>>ANYONE WHO STANDS IN THE WAY OUR FREEDOM(MUSLIM OR NON-MUSLIM), DRIVE THEM OUT. THEY HAVE NO PLACE IN KASHMIR.
nd ya thank u very much for “ADMITTING THAT U WERE BEHIND OUR ETHENIC CLEANING”
AND BYE THE WAY U R NO BODY TO SAY LIKE THIS ….SOON WE WILL THROW U OUT OF INDIA….PUNISHMENT …BANISHMENT TO KALAPANI
pamposh
September 26, 2008 at 9:59 am
And where did this figures of 2 lac muslims having got killed in Kashmir from ?
Is there any reference for this ?
Rahul Koul
September 26, 2008 at 10:05 am
Please share with me a link where the official statement says that the figure of KP’s having been killed is so and so …
Rahul Koul
September 26, 2008 at 10:06 am
#TimeOver 95% want Freedom. So what should be done to #those who are a road block in the way of Freedom.
yes I understand what majority wants and why, the simple ISLAMIC sharia and I don’t have any respect for that.(We all heard Geelani and his 95% of supporters)
>>I respect it fully. Everyone has right to choose. You >>have one and SO DO I and ALL THE PEOPLE OF KASHMIR.
No you don’t respect it all bull shit, you don’t need to respect it is a FIGHT for the survival.
Now coming to your logic, you say that we wanted to be with india so you drove us out and killed us…
You guys wanted to be with PAKISTAN(Geelani says) so let INDIAN army drive you out of Kashmir and kills you ..
fair enough …..
>>ANYONE WHO STANDS IN THE WAY OUR FREEDOM(MUSLIM OR >>NON-MUSLIM), DRIVE THEM OUT. THEY HAVE NO PLACE IN >>KASHMIR.
This is what an enterprenue KM’s think … the educated class.
Peace
Vicky
September 26, 2008 at 10:14 am
Muslims drove Hindus out – NOPE (you know, world knows)
Freedom of Kashmir – Ultimate Aim. With or With Out You.
You throwing us out of India – We have already rejected India. So what are you talking about.
We Going to Kalapani – We are ready to give what is takes.
That’s all I have to say.
Mir Nazim
September 26, 2008 at 10:15 am
and this question is for those muslims who say ..jagmohn made a consprcy
nswr me …if some geelani will tell u to leave ur homeland ie kashmir …will u leave it and live intents and roads ..just becuse geelani said….
no body will leave ..unless and untill one feels a grave danger of life …
pamposh
September 26, 2008 at 10:17 am
well pakistan is no better than kalapani
pamposh
September 26, 2008 at 10:21 am
Nazim,
When you say that muslims did not drive hindus out of Kashmir , i think the discussion ends here.
Discussion can be held with honesty. You dont even have that honesty to accept your mistakes.
http://www.panunkashmir.org
Rahul Koul
September 26, 2008 at 10:32 am
@Rahul Koul
>>i think the discussion ends here.
Ofcource….
>>You dont even have that honesty to accept your >>mistakes.
Not his fault he is supporting sharia and we were kafirs as per that.
It is very important for KP’s to understand the ISLAM well and not to have an iota of mercy for KM’s( exception always)
Peace
Vicky
September 26, 2008 at 10:43 am
ANSWERS IN UPPER CASE—
YOU COULD NOT DISPROVE THAT THERE IS NO ISLAMIC TERRORISM AND U DID NOT SHOW THE VIDEOS THAT U MADE OR FABRICATED AND NOW U CHANGE TOPIC — THAT IS ISLAM….
@pampsoh @vicky @koul
You have a problem with Islam. Forget about it let’s talk about Kashmir.
MR U GOT IT TOTALLY WRONG — WE HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH ISLAM— AS A MATTER OF FACT ISLAM HAS PROBLEM WITH US “I MEAN THE WHOLE WORLD WHO IS NOT MUSLIM”— WELL DEFINED BY MUHAMMAD IN HIS LIFE AND AMPLE INFORMATION IN QURAN AND HADIT—
Everything on Kashmir seems to boil down on Kashmiri Pandits.
Can I ask you a question.
1) WHY DID MUSLIMS DRIVE YOU OUT OF KASHMIR??
It is a simple question, give me a simple one line answer. I don’t want to read a thesis.
KASHMIRI HINDU COULD NOT TOLERATE KILLINGS AND GUN CULTURE — WE ARE NOT USED TO SEEING AND LIVING IN THE SOCIETY WITH THAT CULTUIRE — WE GOT CULTURAL SHOCK WHEN WE HEARD MOSQUES ANNOUNCING AND THE HIGHEST PITCH — AND NOTICES ON OUR DOORS
Mir Nazim
26 Sep 08 at 7:24 am
#
@all
i also think we ought to talk about Kashmir and not Islam as the outcome of religious discources is hate and slander coupled with superlatives to malign the faiths.
SURE THAT WOULD BE RIGHT IF WE WERE TALKING TO HUMANS — BUT WE ARE TALKING TO MUSLIMS WHO FOLLOW ISLAM — EVERY CHANCE THEY GET WHAT ARE THE SLOGANS– HAMAY KYA CHAIHAYAY NIZAM E MUSTAFA — NALAY TAQBEER ALLA HU AKBAR, LA ILLAHA ILLALA — NOW WHY DID U NOT GIVE SLOGANS JUST ABOUT KASHMIR WHY ADD RELIGION — BUT THERE IT SUITS U AFTER FRIDAY PRAYER IN THE MOSQUE AND ON THE ROADS — BUT WHEN WE SAY ISLAM AND ISLAMIC TERRORISM THEN WE DO KUFUR— HA HA HA JOKE
373 Kashmiri Pandits ( 209 as per DGP Kuldeep Khoda who himself is a Kashmiri Pandit) lost there lives at the onset of militancy. It was an unfortunate and a very wrong thing to have happened . However the exodus of a community on the killing of 373 people seems to be something else and may not be entirely related to the killings. However whatever happened to teh Pandit brethren was sinful, bad and regrettable. It should not have happened.
FINALLY U ACCEPT LITTLE PART THAT IS COOL
On the contrary more than two lacs Kashmiri muslims have also been killed mostly by securit forces of India but these souls hardly find a mention in this blog.
I GUESS KHoDa DIDNOT GIVE THIS NUMBER DID HE OR IT IS CREATED BY UR FANTACY
The bottomline is KASHMIRIS have suffered and it is teh time to fight for teh Kashmir cause jointly.
FIGHT MY BALLS— WHEN ISLAM GETS TARGETED WORLDWIDE AS TERRORIST RELIGION AND MY KASHMIRI BROTHERS DROP THEIR GUNS TO SHOW A DIFFERENT IMAGE — JUST WATCH SOON IT WILL BE AGAIN GUNS AND KILLINGS THAT IS THE FACT ABOUT MUSLIMS AND ISLAM— SO WHO WANTS TO ASSOCIATE WITH U IN ANY WAY…. I AM REMEMBERED KABADDI SLOGAN –BOJAS TARAY KHABRAY MITHIR CHAKAY KABRAY
#
THis fellow brother has litle knowledge and that is dangerous . Religion must not be discused as that is a personal affair and teh endeavour of all in a religious discussion is to malign the other faith .
HOW MANY MUSLIMS HAVE THE GOOD EDUCATION AND CAN TALK DIPLOMATICALLY AND SOPHISTICATED LIKE U — MOST OF THE MUSLIMS IN WORLD ARE ILLETRATE AND ONLY THING THEY KNOW AND READ AND PRACTICE IS IS QURAN — NOW STILL WONDER WHY ISLAM
Farhad has said one thing right and that is teh definition of the word ISLAM which means submission to teh will of Almighty
COOL THEN WHAT DOES UR QURAN SAY — SLIT THE THROATS OF KAFIRS WHERE EVER U SEE THEM — IS THAT THE WILL OF UR ALMIGHTY — IT IS FOR SURE PER QURAN — AND IS SEEN IN THE VIDEOS BEING PRACTICED === OR U STILL SAY THE VIDEOS ARE FAKE AND U CAN MAKE SUCH VIDEOS —
innocuous tyro
26 Sep 08 at 7:16 am
#
@pampsoh @vicky @koul
You have a problem with Islam. Forget about it let’s talk about Kashmir.
Everything on Kashmir seems to boil down on Kashmiri Pandits.
IT BOILS DOWN TO ISLAM AND ISLAMIC TERRORISM
Can I ask you a question.
1) WHY DID MUSLIMS DRIVE YOU OUT OF KASHMIR??
It is a simple question, give me a simple one line answer. I don’t want to read a thesis.
STOP REPEATING UR SELF LIKE A BROKEN DRUM … ALL KASHMIRI HINDU PEOPLE THAT COME TO THIS BLOG KNOW VERY WELL WHY THEY LEFT AND AND ALL MUSLIM PEOPLE THAT COME HERE KNOW THE REASON WHY THE HINDUS LEFT — JUST LISTEN TO UR CONSCIENCE
HERE IS SITE AGAIN FOR THOSE WHO MISSED MY EARLIER COMMENT SEE VIDEOS AT BOTTOM OF THAT PAGE AND TELL MR.MIR HOW FAKE THEY ARE AND DO THEY REPRESENT THE TRUTH ABOUT ISLAMIC TERRORISM — IT SEEMS LIKE HE CAM MAKE THE SAME TYPE OF VIDEOS AT HOME OR IN HIS BACKYARD — HA HA HA JOKE—
http://www.nomullas.net/beheadings.html
ALSO WARNING if u cant see Beheadings of HUmans please avoid seeing — last thing dont play them in front of kids — please
“above warning doesnot apply to islamic terrorists, MUSLIMS and their families they can watch — after all they are there heros — AS THEY SAY ALLAH HU AKBAR AND SHARE SAME ISLAMIC FUNDAMENTALS”
Anil
KOUL ANIL
September 26, 2008 at 11:21 am
wow ……….what a reply koul anil
i rest my case. you have answered everything they wanted.
BTW where is mir nizam, innocuous tyro and berthen,
where are you guys……….are you listening to koul anil.
venkat
venkat
September 26, 2008 at 11:54 am
hi koul anil,
if you use uppercase, pls explain to them why.
their upper part(head) of the body is empty……….ha ha ha
venkat
venkat
September 26, 2008 at 11:57 am
mr nizam ..in kalapani…mr tyro .trying to find out wht will they do ..if geelani asks to move them out
pamposh
September 26, 2008 at 12:02 pm
Anil,
They won’t understand, they are quite because the ISLAM is being condemned globally ….
Yes the ROOT problem is the ISLAM.
The deserve the treatment they are getting in INDIA.
Things will not change unless ISLAM is reformed.
Peace
Vicky
September 26, 2008 at 12:13 pm
>>if geelani asks to move them out
He should be driven out to Pakistan as per Mir’s logic.
Well that is how the educated opensource mind works…..
I think he does not know opensource works on meritocracy basics and not by numbers
They all are pests and we need to deal them with MERCY.
Peace
Vicky
September 26, 2008 at 12:17 pm
>>They all are pests and we need to deal them with MERCY.
I mean without MERCY.
Peace
Vicky
September 26, 2008 at 12:18 pm
@all
Quran say’s
Kalu Jahilu Salama
meaning
Say peace to the ignorant.
—
May Peace Be On You.
Rest, you free to indulge in your wishful thinking.
Anyone coming to this blog post will read and make his mind one whose points are logical and who is taking out of baseless hatred and blind passion.
Thank you very much.
Mir Nazim
September 26, 2008 at 12:50 pm
Mir Nazim
####Quran say’s
Kalu Jahilu Salama
meaning
Say peace to the ignorant####
you are ignorant of todays world.
#####Rest, you free to indulge in your wishful thinking####
is your brain & body free to have a wishful thinking?
you guys say & do what quran mentions only #####Kalu Jahilu Salama####
venkat
venkat
September 26, 2008 at 1:37 pm
hello mir
only one line about peace in quran that is it…
u seem to now quran very well explain the meaning of the verses quoted by Farhad that way we can see how much peaceful islam is and quran is
————————-
AND IF ANYONE SAYS BAD THINGS ABOUT OUR HOLY QURAN OR PROPHET MUHAMMAD(PBUH) LA ILLAH ILA ALLAH — WE SWEAR OUR ALLAH HAS COMMANDED US IN THE VERSE 2:191 THROUGH 2:193:
Waoqtuloohum haythu thaqiftumoohum waakhrijoohum min haythu akhrajookum waalfitnatu ashaddu mina alqatli wala tuqatiloohum AAinda almasjidi alharami hatta yuqatilookum feehi fain qatalookum faoqtuloohum kathalika jazao alkafireena
Faini intahaw fainna Allaha ghafoorun raheemun
Waqatiloohum hatta la takoona fitnatun wayakoona alddeenu lillahi faini intahaw fala AAudwana illa AAala alththalimeena
—————————–
accoprding to u we are ignorant throw the light on above quranic quotes Farhad missed to give meanings — please can u…
anil
KOUL ANIL
September 26, 2008 at 1:48 pm
oh is that fabricated tooo or it is not from quran —
found this on the page
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Pages/Quran-Hate.htm
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Non-Muslims are to be fought until religion is only for Allah:
And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is all for Allah… (8:39 – “Persecution” in this context means resistance to Islam – defined in the prior verse as an unwillingness to believe (see verse 38). This passage was “revealed” following a battle that Muhammad deliberately provoked. Verse 2:193 essentially says the same thing and was also “revealed” at a time when the Muslims were not under physical attack).
———————————
may be u can just tell us what it means — it is ur quran — the peaceful one—
anil
KOUL ANIL
September 26, 2008 at 1:55 pm
@VENKAT
##is the bane for all the issues in kashmir problem ##is it not religion?
##what was blaring again and again from the mosque ##when you drove out the kashmir pandits from their ##home land?
##can you pls explain.
Venkat , when people derive conclusions based on their pre conceived notions veracity goes for a toss. Now can i ask you were you there in KAshmir when as per you mosques were balring pundits to go out. It is a huge lie when you say mosques used loudspeakers to threaten Pandits.
History goes like this , on 19th Jan 1990 nearly 100 people were killed near Gaw Kadal by the Indian forces , these were people, unarmed protesting democratically.
After this incident the atmosphere was surcharged and out of frustation a couple of mosques elsewhere in KAshmir on hearing this massacre gave vent to there feelings by asking Pandits to support the cause.
It was just a few people who might have threatened Pandits not the whole of KAshmir.
You ridicule others by using adjectives which attack a personality. You feigned ignorance when i touched the ridicule point. On teh contrary you said
##i dont know what is “derive pleasure ridiculing ##others”, but i do know what pleasure you guys get ##when some bombs you blasted in the mid of society.
Who blasted bombs in the mid of society , you need to get your facts right. And how did you conclude that “WE” derive pleasure, it is a biased conclusion and and full of malice.
Venkat look at the problem of KAshmir after removing your biased blinkers , try to search for a neutral view on the problem, acrimony would lessen within you.
Secondly , you may not be aware teh Indian Central Govt. warned Karnatak and Kerala against communal violence. Mangalore witnessed brutal assaults on Nuns and the Christian community , but the supporter of the BJP you are you want to know how many died in KArnatak , only then would you ponder.
venkat you repel national TV CNN, NDTV because they ar not Pro BJP but you want the world to know the truth through the local media . Great logic , i also advise you to know the truth of KAshmir through teh local nedia. How about that.
Take care and Thanks.
innocuous tyro
September 26, 2008 at 2:22 pm
@all
Good. Keep it up.
Keep spreading the message. Thanks
Mir Nazim
September 26, 2008 at 2:28 pm
@KOUL ANIL
You write in the upper case but you read between the lines when others write.
You capital letters might dwarf our small words but the impact of our words in immense.
Saying Allah u Akbar is not Islamic it is the truth which every religon agrees. What is wrong in saying “God is the Greatest”. What is wrong in saying La illaha Illah , it means there is no God except Allah and he is teh only one. What is islamic about it , it is a universal truth. In fact teh Vedas say the same.
What is wrong in saying Hum kya hahate Azadi” which means we wa nt freedom, Every one says it , All Indians said it , All free nations ahve said it , what is wrong in it . Please dont equate with ISalm these slogans ,they are universal and nothing to do with Islam.
Islamic terrorism , it is like saying True Lies or Dark Lights . It is absurd.
I said in the beginning let us not talk about islam as it wont fetch the results you people want, let us focus on KAshmir which is a political problem not a religious one.
innocuous tyro
September 26, 2008 at 2:47 pm
mir saib
kamis cheva wanan keep it up — soun chu up — magar tuhund gou kafi down kya daleel — islam aaw na raas sani zabain ….
galti na chi tuhind na chi sain yei janab chi sari galti islamich ti quranich … agar nai islam achay manj aas hai rozhaiv aamana san — magar islamas china treth ya karan malkuilmoutas hawala…
namarkar sain tarfa toih janab —
anil
Koul Anil
September 26, 2008 at 2:50 pm
inno — i have talked about it allah is a moon god borrowed by islam and we and hindus never said allah hu akbar “or ALLAH WHO A-KHABAR”
SO COULD U TELL ME MEANING OF THE VERSES FARHAD QUOTED FROM QURAN — AND SHED SOME LIGHT THERE TOO ——-
HAVE FUN
————————
U GUYS ARE BECOMING DULL I AM LOOSING FUN IN HAVING FRUITFUL DISCUSSIONS— FIRST U SAID ISLAMIC TERRORISM IS MYTH AND NOW U WILL TAKE DISCUSSION FROM ONE PLACE TO ANOTHER — WE ARGUE– THEN U LEAVE ISLAM AND CATCH KASHMIR– WE PROVE THEY ARE RELATED— THEY ONE OF U GOES ON OTHER PAGE AND TALKS ABOUT CAMEL URINE ETC– AND SOMEONE SAYS THEY MAKE THESE BEHEADING VIDEOS THEMSELVES– YET TO SEE ONE—
LET US START CONCLUDING STUFF LIKE:
IS THERE ISLAMIC TERRORISM?
IS THERE KASHMIR PROBLEM OR IS IT ALL ABOUT ISLAM?
DID MUSLIMS DO SELECTIVE KILLINGS OF HINDUS IN KASHMIR?
IS QURAN PROPAGATING HATE AND KILLINGS OF NON MUSLIMS?
IS FARHAD LIKE IGNORANT MUSLIM RIGHT IS SAYING WE NEED TO ATTACH KAFIRS?
IS MAJORITY OF MUSLIM POLULATION ONLY EXPOSED TO QURANIC TEACHINGS WORLD WIDE? WHAT WILL BE IMPACT?
AND MAKE MORE TOPICS AND CONLUDE BASED ON ABOVE THERE ARE MANY CONCLUSIONS I CAN DRAW BASED ON HOW U AVOID OR CHANGE TOPICS —-
PLEASE GIVE MORE INPUTS HERE —-
ANIL
Koul Anil
September 26, 2008 at 3:02 pm
Haya daali batta, nabair nabair cheye kathe sahi phoran.
Ye taawan chunwe tohi panas panaiy. Wani ye tuhi wanan chew ath che wana “mandchanas tanane”
Mir Nazim
September 26, 2008 at 3:22 pm
>>It was just a few people who might have threatened >>Pandits not the whole of KAshmir.
Stop all this crap…..
Do you want me to get the advertisement from the local news paper which had given ultimatum to Kashmiri Pandits to leave the valley or get killed….
Yes the local news paper…
And it was not few mosques it was the entire valley
And have we seen a *SINGLE* protest in the valley to get the KP’s back with honour….
The fact is that your ISLAM is weak these days in east so you have given up the GUN.
Peace
Vicky
September 26, 2008 at 4:05 pm
koul sahib,
Namaskar mahra .
yem mahra chu huen latt
Vicky
September 26, 2008 at 4:25 pm
Ye buzith gaw setha khushi ze tuhi chew paiy ke as che huen latt te ase behmaw ne teetis kaalas yoteth tain ne azaadi yee.
Mir Nazim
September 26, 2008 at 4:39 pm
huen latt chi tames sethi hor gasan
pata chawa kot ..allahs nish
pamposh
September 26, 2008 at 4:50 pm
Su hai chu gasunui. Thath kya khotsun ya phreath asun
Mir Nazim
September 26, 2008 at 4:55 pm
@pamposh
>>pata chawa kot ..
jahanam manz
Vicky
September 26, 2008 at 5:07 pm
Janats manz ya jahanams manz. su chu sui zaanaaan.
Mir Nazim
September 26, 2008 at 5:11 pm
LET ISLAM RELAX FOR A MOMENT AND WE HAVE BEEN FIGHTING FOR LONG TIME HERE RELAX A BIT AND LISTEN TO KASHMIRI MUSIC — CLICK ON DOWNLOADS AND HEAR SOME NICE KASHMIRI SONGA — MY FAV IS SAMAV KARAV GINDUNAH IT IS FUN
http://rajinderkachroo.com/
ISLAM LOVERS U CAN LISTEN TOO I KNOW ISLAM DOESNOT LIKE MUSIC AND PICTURES BUT WHO CARES TAKE A BREAK U DESERVE TOO…. U CAN AVOID BHAJANS THOUGH BUT HE SINGS GREAT …..
LATER WE WILL COME BACK AGAIN — TILL THEN HAVE FUN
ANIL
Koul Anil
September 26, 2008 at 6:01 pm
Gowkhe thanda
Mir Nazim
September 26, 2008 at 6:34 pm
IF U WANNA REALL CHILL — WE WILL BUT U BEER OR FRUITY BUT LEAVE THIS ISLAM FEWER AND AZADI — LIVE LIKE HUMAN NOT MUSLIM — U NEVER ANSWERED ME — SO THAT ITSELF IS THE ANSWER — GOWKHE THANDA — I AM ALWAYS COOL DUDE BUT FOR SURE U GUYS NEED COLD WATER —
NOTHING GREAT IN ISLAM ANY WAY — IT IS AND WILL STAY CRAPPY BUT DONT WASTE UR LIFE AFTER ISLAM — ENJOY LIFE NOW HAVE JOHNY WALKER OR CHILLED BEER — DONT WORRY ABOUT 72 VIRGINS AND 28 BOYS— AND ALL THE CRAP ABOUT AZADI —
IT IS MENTAL STATE FEEL FREE WHERE U ARE AND IN WHAT STATE U ARE — AND NO ONE CAN TAKE THAT FEELING AWAY FROM U — THAT IS REAL FREEDOM — SIT ALONE IN OPEN AREA AND ENJOY FREEDOM — TAKE MORNING WALK AND ENJOY FRESH AIR THAT IS FREEDOM — WHO GAVE U IDEA GETTING RID OF HINDUS IS FREEDOM — MAKING NIZAM E MUSTAFA IS FREEDOM — OR ISLAM IS FREEDOM —
GOWKHE THANDA
ANY TIME FOR U
MUSLIM – ISLAM = HUMAN
HAVE FUN AND DO LISTEN TO MUSIC — OR WATCH BEHEADING CHOICE IS URS —
ANIL
Koul Anil
September 26, 2008 at 6:48 pm
What was your question?
This is your real problem with Islam. You left Kashmir because first thing that happened in 1989/1990 was banning of alcohol.
If there is a single benefit of militancy in Kashmir that is difficulty of getting of alcohol.
Mir Nazim
September 26, 2008 at 6:56 pm
YOU MUST BE REFERING TO THIS SURA:
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Al-Baqara (The Cow)
2:219 They ask thee concerning wine and gambling. Say: “In them is great sin, and some profit, for men; but the sin is greater than the profit.” They ask thee how much they are to spend; Say: “What is beyond your needs.” Thus doth Allah Make clear to you His Signs: In order that ye may consider-
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BUT DONT WORRY U WILL GET IT IN HEAVEN ALONG WITH 72 VIRGINS AND 28 BOYS — REFER TO THIS SURA:
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Muhammad
47:15 (Here is) a Parable of the Garden which the righteous are promised: in it are rivers of water incorruptible; rivers of milk of which the taste never changes; rivers of wine, a joy to those who drink; and rivers of honey pure and clear. In it there are for them all kinds of fruits; and Grace from their Lord. (Can those in such Bliss) be compared to such as shall dwell for ever in the Fire, and be given, to drink, boiling water, so that it cuts up their bowels (to pieces)?
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEQ3MyK4LJI
THERE IS VIDEO ALSO FOR YOU AND OTHERS — FOR UR INFORMATION I FIRST DRANK WHISKY WITH KASHMIRI MUSLIMS WAY BEFORE 1989— SO CHILL OUT — ISLAM IS DEPRIVING U OF CHILLED BEER NOW AND SHOWING U DREAM OF RIVERS OF WINE IN HEAVEN — WHY THOUGH —
HAVE FUN — FOR UR INFORMATION U CAN GET WINE AND WHISKY EVEN IN PAKISTAN WHAT IS GREAT ABOUT KASHMIR — CHILL OUT AND THEN DRINK — AS USUAL CAMEL URINE WITH CAMEL MILK SURE WILL TASTE BETTER WHEN CHILLED
ANIL
Koul Anil
September 26, 2008 at 8:37 pm
Koul Sahab
Everyone know who are urine drinkers.
Mir Nazim
September 26, 2008 at 11:44 pm
>> FOR UR INFORMATION I FIRST DRANK WHISKY WITH
>> KASHMIRI MUSLIMS WAY BEFORE 1989
Accepted. Lot of Muslims do drink and sometimes more than non muslims.
But we will make sure not a single drop is available to them. Right now we can not enforce it. Once we have the power to do so, I assure you, we will make Kashmir(at least) free of alcohol.
>> FOR UR INFORMATION U CAN GET WINE AND
>> WHISKY EVEN IN PAKISTAN
>> WHAT IS GREAT ABOUT KASHMIR
We have nothing to do with Pakistan. They can take care of their land themselves.
Mir Nazim
September 26, 2008 at 11:48 pm
>> FOR UR INFORMATION I FIRST DRANK WHISKY WITH
>> KASHMIRI MUSLIMS WAY BEFORE 1989
Accepted. Lot of Muslims do drink and sometimes more than non muslims.
But we will make sure not a single drop is available to them. Right now we can not enforce it. Once we have the power to do so, I assure you, we will make Kashmir(at least) free of alcohol.
>> FOR UR INFORMATION U CAN GET WINE AND
>> WHISKY EVEN IN PAKISTAN
>> WHAT IS GREAT ABOUT KASHMIR
We have nothing to do with Pakistan. They can take care of their land themselves.
Moreover, you need to teach me Quran. We know our Quran better than you. I can talk about criticism of Quran for 3 hours and I can refute all that criticism within 1 hour. But overall I have refrained from talk about religion in this thread, because you can discuss with the people who are willing to discuss with objectivity. Not to someone who just wants perverted pleasures by poking fun on other religions.
I apologize for my last comment(about urine drinkers). I should not have written that. I once again humbly apologize to all Hindus and request the owner of the blog to delete that comment of mine.
Mir Nazim
September 26, 2008 at 11:58 pm
>>Once we have the power to do so, I assure you, we will >>make Kashmir(at least) free of alcohol.
Yes I understand that you want ISLAM to rule your life not the social/democratic structure.
>>We have nothing to do with Pakistan. They can take care >>of their land themselves
Oh really, the Geelani and all in there recent rallies had shown what relationships you had with Pakistan.
We don’t TRUST you guys and know all your faces.
It is unfortunate that our govt still believe in appeasement.
Vicky
September 27, 2008 at 3:08 am
Mr Mir — i can understand ur frustration u fail miserably in ur logic — i show u logic in ur religion and u dont want to discuss it
u say kashmir issue has no connection with islam and are separate — but then why ban wine in kashmir — only because it is in islam
get better at logic — read all mine and ur comments from above and see how ur logic or thinking goes —
it is becoming real pain for u when i pull quran and quote to u what it says from time to time — 20 years back i cared least never bothered what was in quran — knew ur kalima but that was it — till one day we were on roads thanks to islam — and that is what forced me to explore more and understand why?
so when someone says kashmir problem has nothing to do with islam or its teachings — i can firmly say that is LIE based on what I know about ur quran — so relax dude — and wait u will get rivers of wine — in HEAVEN and more
anil
KOUL ANIL
September 27, 2008 at 5:21 am
I never said Kashmir has nothing to do with Islam or Muslims.
Mir Nazim
September 27, 2008 at 9:20 am
innocuous tyro
let us get the facts straight, you mentioned that some christians died or killed in karnataka, so i asked you where?, pls give me the details. Am i wrong.
if we can have a poll about how many people belive in what CNN-IBN, NDTV, HT….other english media say.
The poll result will be like this,
18% say the belive in them 101%.
1% say they belive & dont belive (according to convenience, selective amenesia.
81% percent dont belive 1001%.
scroll down to see who constitute those pecentage
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18% constitute muslims
1% congress, UPA & CO
81% kafirs (that is us)
venkat
venkat
September 27, 2008 at 9:39 am
tyro,
####After this incident the atmosphere was surcharged and out of frustation a couple of mosques elsewhere in KAshmir on hearing this massacre gave vent to there feelings###
so you mean say if you get frustrated, you can rape your own child, this is what you guys did to kashmir pandits. you raped their humanity.
if i move my house from one place to another locality i feel depressed for few days, just imagine when they are kicked out of their zameen by none other than their own neighbours and friends for decades.
what a sham.
venkat
venkat
September 27, 2008 at 9:47 am
Thanks Mir for agreeing —
That is what we have been telling from the beginning
the root cause of kashmir problem is ISLAM
anil
KOUL ANIL
September 27, 2008 at 4:03 pm
@venkat
you pasted only half of my reply
the full response was
####After this incident the atmosphere was surcharged and out of frustation a couple of mosques elsewhere in KAshmir on hearing this massacre gave vent to there feelings by asking Pandits to support the cause.
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where is the rape , it is a blatant lie that Pandits were raped by muslims in the 90’s it is untrue , you are believing perceptions but you are distancing from reality. Venkat you are equating 373 deaths with th epandit humanity. I agree there killings were uncalled , that was a sad era of Pandit history but blaming muslims for their exodus , i dont agree.
How do u know they were kicked by their neighbours. No neighbour kicked them , in fact they tried to persuade them to stay back. We ourselves went to their houses and stayed with them overnight and tried to instill confidence in them . But when the mind has made up to leave no force on earth can stop it.
Get your history right , because your geography is already wrong.
I have a plethora of Kashmir Pandit friends and till date we talk like siblings , we share pain and delight. Dont malign our camaraderie by misguiding people with your biased diatribe.
innocuous tyro
September 27, 2008 at 4:25 pm
@venkat
teh statistics given by you is anything but funny. You can say anything because it depends on your whim and fancy. I dont blame you , BJP is ruling the roost in your state Karntak,CNN-IBN etc dont suit you because their viewership is the maximum in India. you want to base your argument on the premise of your local media.
I am surprised to see that you call yourself a Kafir with a haughty and boastful tone as if it is an accolade . Venkat it is just an ideology , it is just a way of life , it is just a track to tread .
I surmise BJP has engulfed your persona , you need a revolution to change but revolutions seldom occur. At least not by eating idli and sambar.
innocuous tyro
September 27, 2008 at 4:34 pm
definetion of kafir:
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Kafir (Arabic: كافر kāfir; plural كفّار kuffār) is an Arabic word meaning “rejecter” or “ingrate”. In the Islamic doctrinal sense, the term refers to a person who does not recognize God (Allah) or the prophethood of Muhammad (i.e., any non-Muslim) or who hides, denies, or covers the truth. In cultural terms, it is seen as a derogatory term[1] used to describe an unbeliever, non-Muslims, apostate from Islam and even between Muslims of different sects. It is usually translated into English as “infidel” or “unbeliever”.
The islamic law (sharia) distinguishes three types of kafirs:
1. kafir dhimmi, a non-Muslim subject of a state governed in accordance with sharia law
2. kafir harbi, a non-Muslim living in a non-Muslim country, and
3. kafir musta’min, a harbi visiting a Muslim country for less than a year.
Debate exists between some Muslim scholars as to whether the term applies to certain religions, as these can also be regarded as Ahl-ul Kittab, People of the Book or Dhimmi (”protected people”). “Kafir” has been used historically to identify the followers of non-denominational religions or local traditions.[2]
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the above definetion came from :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kafir
based on above arent we all kafirs — i personally reject satinic verses urf quran — now i am kafir — I can assure any person with right mind will become kafir once he understands quran with basic human logic —- u can be kafir too come and join us we welcome u….
have fun
anil
KOUL ANIL
September 27, 2008 at 5:11 pm
@Anil and all other hindu brothers
Hi guys let’s stop abusing each other and try to come to an accord through proper discussion and not mindless mud throwing.
I start with myself. I apologize for every bad words I said in this thread.
Now to main topic.
Yes, there is NO point of arguing that Kashmir has nothing to with Islam. Anyone who says so is wrong and definitely does not know things properly.
Now see, it is but natural that you want to live under laws that are closer to your religion. Whether your religion Hinduism, Christianity, Judaism, Islam, Democracy, Secularism or Anarchy(yes you heard me correct, democracy etc are also religions). I hope that at least you understand this clearly.
About a year back, one of my Hindu friends (you heard it right again, I have quite a good number of hindu/christian/jewish friends.) told me that Norway has implemented new rules of immigration. One will have to watch pornography in presence of trained psycho-analysts to prove that you are liberal. He asked me since pornography is prohibited in all major religions what can one do. My answer was “If you do not want to watch pornography, do not go there”. Simply. I hope you understand my point.
If you like democracy, you will want to live under a democracy. It is completely logical. No arguments there.
Now if tomorrow, more than 86 crore Hindus in India decide that they want to live under a law that functions as per the Vedas. Who am I to stop you. Or again 9% Muslims or 1% Sikhs in India cannot stop you. Why majority is authority. and 86% majority is even more than absolute majority.
And I personally will support you in that case, If India’s 86% Hindus demand Hindu Laws as main laws, it should be implemented. If Muslims, Sikhs, Christians or others have a problem with that they should leave. You cannot displease 86% to please 14%.
There is also a Hadith, if you cannot practice Islam in your country move to a country where you can. Simple.
Now Kashmir population consists of 95% Muslims, and Muslims there want to live under Islamic rule and Sharia. Why should 5% Sikhs, Hindus and others have a problem. Same rules apply to non-muslims of Kashmir that applies to Muslims of India.
Now the debate over Kafir, Dhimmi, Jaziya etc is a very diverse topic. I keep traveling to rest of India a lot. Let’s discuss it together over a coffee.
You can keep track on my day to day activities, travel plans etc at http://twitter.com/mirnazim . I Update is regularly.
Mir Nazim
September 27, 2008 at 7:24 pm
MY RESPONSE IS IN UPPER CASE — AND THAT DOESNOT MEAN I AM ANGRY — RATHER I AM HAPPY AS USUAL AND ALWAYS….
@Anil and all other hindu brothers
Hi guys let’s stop abusing each other and try to come to an accord through proper discussion and not mindless mud throwing.
I DONT THINK I PERSONALLY HAVE ABUSED ANY ONE INCLUDING YOUR KIND SELF.. WE ARE ALWAYS OPEN, TRUTHFUL AND STRAIGHTFORWARD ON OUR STAND IN ANY DISCUSSION HERE OR ANYWHERE ELSE. I AM SORRY IF TALKING FACTS ABOUT ISLAM OR HINDUISM IS MUD THROWING, ACCORDING TO ME IT IS SHARING KNOWLEDGE — AND KNOWLEDGE IS POWER. I THINK WE HAVE TO ACT AS MATURED PEOPLE AND ACCEPT OR REJECT OUR BELIEFS BASED
ON FACTS PRESENTED AND NOT TWIST THE FACTS AND BELIEFS BASED ON WHOM WE ARE TALKING TO…
I start with myself. I apologize for every bad words I said in this thread.
THAT IS FINE U NEED TO VENT UR FEELINGS — THIS IS JUST A BLOG COMMENTS AND WE ARE FREE TO EXPRESS OUR SELVES — I HAVE NO HARD FEELING ABOUT UR COMMENTS OR ANY OTHER PERSON WHO COMMENTED HERE
Now to main topic.
Yes, there is NO point of arguing that Kashmir has nothing to with Islam. Anyone who says so is wrong and definitely does not know things properly.
ACCEPTED — THAT FOR SURE — WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND HOW ISLAM INVADED KASHMIR AND SLOWLY CONVERTED KASHMIRI HINDUS TO ISLAM… MANY TIMES PEOPLE SAY KASHMIRI SIKHS DID NOT LEAVE KASHMIR — LOOK CAREFULLY AT HISTORY AND THINK WHY IN THE FIRST PLACE SIKHS CAME TO KASHMIR….. LOOK AT THE BASIS OF WHY EACH HINDU FAMILY GAVE THERE STRONGEST FAMILY MEMBER TO SIKH COMMUNITY … HISTORY WILL SPEAK AND TELL FACTS —
Now see, it is but natural that you want to live under laws that are closer to your religion. Whether your religion Hinduism, Christianity, Judaism, Islam, Democracy, Secularism or Anarchy(yes you heard me correct, democracy etc are also religions). I hope that at least you understand this clearly.
ACCEPTED ABOVE TOO BUT IT REALLY APPLIES TO ALL RELIGIONS INCLUDING DEMOCRACY AND SECULARISM EXCEPT ISLAM. CAN A MUSLIM SAY HE WANTS TO LEAVE ISLAM WITHOUT FACING DEATH BASED ON ISLAMIC LAWS. ISLAM HAS DIFFERENT LAWS FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT MUSLIMS. WE AS HUMANS ARE FIRSTLY ANSWERABLE TO BASIC HUMANITY… WHILE AS MUSLIMS ARE ANSWERABLE TO ONLY AND ONLY TO ISLAM … THEY LIVE IN THIS IMAGINARY CACOON OF LIES AND ARE NOT ABLE TO SEE BEYOND… BECAUSE ISLAM PUT THESE LIMITATIONS OF THESE UNFORTUNATE MUSLIMS..
About a year back, one of my Hindu friends (you heard it right again, I have quite a good number of hindu/christian/jewish friends.) told me that Norway has implemented new rules of immigration. One will have to watch pornography in presence of trained psycho-analysts to prove that you are liberal. He asked me since pornography is prohibited in all major religions what can one do. My answer was “If you do not want to watch pornography, do not go there”. Simply. I hope you understand my point.
IT IS THE SAME WAY IN ISLAM YOU CAN MARRY 6 YEAR OLD AND DON’T GET CAUGHT OR PUNISHED FOR CHILD MOLESTATION OR PEDOPHILIA…
YES IF WE DONT WANT ISLAM TO EFFECT US AND OUR LIVES WE CAN AVOID IT AND WE WOULD.. … BUT ISLAM TEACHES MUSLIMS TO MAKE ISLAM RULE ALL THE WORLD AND EVERYONE WHO IS NOT MUSLIM IS UR ENEMY…. LOOK WHAT ISLAM DID ALL OVER WORLD BECAUSE OF THAT KIND OF TEACHINGS IN QURAN….
If you like democracy, you will want to live under a democracy. It is completely logical. No arguments there.
GREAT BUT EVERY ISLAM LOVER ALL OVER THE WORLD WANT TO DISRUPT THAT BASIC PEACE
Now if tomorrow, more than 86 crore Hindus in India decide that they want to live under a law that functions as per the Vedas. Who am I to stop you. Or again 9% Muslims or 1% Sikhs in India cannot stop you. Why majority is authority. and 86% majority is even more than absolute majority.
IF THEY WANTED THAT IT WOULD HAVE HAPPENED DURING PARTITION ITSELF… LOOK AT THE HINDU POPULATION IN PAKISTAN AND THERE RIGHTS AND LOOK AT THE MUSLIM POPULATION IN INDIA AND THERE RIGHTS ARE EVEN BETTER THAN HINDUS…. WONDER EVER … WHAT IS WRONG WITH HINDUISM OR IS HINDUISM ANOTHER NAME FOR HUMANISM AND HUMANITY… THINK
And I personally will support you in that case, If India’s 86% Hindus demand Hindu Laws as main laws, it should be implemented. If Muslims, Sikhs, Christians or others have a problem with that they should leave. You cannot displease 86% to please 14%.
DONT AGREE WITH YOU HERE I THINK WE HAVE TO RESPECT HUMANITY AND THE BASIC HUMAN FREEDOMS FIRST… COUNTRIES SHOULD NEVER BREAK BASED ON RELIGIONS BUT YES THE CULTS THAT PROMOTE ANYTHING AGAINST HUMANITY SHOULD BE MADE TO DISAPPEAR … EVEN IF IT IS LARGEST RELIGIOUS CULT IN THE WORLD… WORLD NEED PEACE AND LOVE NOT HATREAD AND KILLINGS THAT TOO BASED ON RELIGIOUS BELEIFS…..
There is also a Hadith, if you cannot practice Islam in your country move to a country where you can. Simple.
SO ARE U GOING TO INFLUENCE MUSLIMS TO MOVE TO COUNTRIES LIKE SAUDI OR PAKISTAN???
Now Kashmir population consists of 95% Muslims, and Muslims there want to live under Islamic rule and Sharia. Why should 5% Sikhs, Hindus and others have a problem. Same rules apply to non-muslims of Kashmir that applies to Muslims of India.
I GAVE U THE GOOD GIST OF KASHMIR BASICS AND HISTORY EARLIERIN NUTSHELL — KASHMIR IS LIKE A PLANE BELONGING TO KASHMIRI HINDUS THAT HAS BEEN TOTALLY HIJACED BY ISLAM — WHAT SHOULD KASHMIRI HINDUS DO IN THAT CASE —-
Now the debate over Kafir, Dhimmi, Jaziya etc is a very diverse topic. I keep traveling to rest of India a lot. Let’s discuss it together over a coffee.
THERE IS NOTHING U CAN DISCUSS — BECAUSE U OR ANY MUSLIM HAS NO POWER AT ALL — UR BELEIFS AND THINKING IS TOTALLY DICTATED BY ISLAM SO WHAT WILL WE DISCUSS — IF WE READ QURAN AND HADITH AND KNOW LIFE OF MUHAMMAD WE ALREADY KNOW UR OPINION AND WHAT UR POINT WILL BE — AM I WRONG
THINK ISLAM HAS HIJACKED UR BRAIN THE SAME WAY IT HIJACKED KASHMIR…
You can keep track on my day to day activities, travel plans etc at http://twitter.com/mirnazim . I Update is regularly.
I HAVE TOUGH TIME KEEPING MY OWN SCHEDULES SO WOULD NOT EVEN BOTHER ABOUT UR TRAVEL PLANS OR DAY TODAY ACTIVITY ETC — UNLESS THERE HAPPEN TO BE BOMB BLASTS THAT MATCH UR TRAVEL PLANS IN THAT CASE WE WILL FORWARD IT TO CBI AND ARMY FOR SURE…
HAVE FUN READING ABOVE
ANIL
KOUL ANIL
September 28, 2008 at 4:27 am
Anil Sahib,
Namaskar Mahra!!!
Yes if these guys don’t feel anything wrong in SHARIA/ISLAM ruling there life then we also should not feel wrong/ashamed of exposing the UGLY truth that ISLAM has brought to the world.
btw, another attach on new Dehli
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Blast_in_Mehrauli_area_in_Delhi_2_killed/articleshow/3534219.cms
The ISLAMIC jihads need to be CRUSHED globally and in INDIA too.
Not only ISLAMIC jihadis but all the religious radicals.
These KM’s can’t do anything as I don’t see them capable of doing anything constructive, there funding needs to be crushed and I hope that would happen soon.
The real threat is the ISLAM in east as they might turn there evil actions towards INDIA if they succeed in crushing west.
Peace
Vicky
September 28, 2008 at 6:40 am
mr nazim… only one line for ur comment …we people believe in freedom … just go through the const of india and see hw beautiful it is …. and we r governed by that very const ,, but sorry to say .. u people don’t believe in all this but u want a dictator like mushraff or saddam hussain … democracy is evil for u
pamposh
September 28, 2008 at 7:09 am
I can only but laugh at you ignorance of history of Kashmir.
Mir Nazim
September 28, 2008 at 11:24 am
wow mr mir u laughed — and we are happy that u laughed — one non islamic thing u did — muhammad never laughed — remember what happened when some people had eaten beans before nimaz and they farted during nimaz and laughed — WHAT HAPPENED THEN????
If u want to live perfect life like muhammad please dont laugh — because muhammad never liked laughing or laughed —-
So here u did one thing because of us which is totally un-islamic —– now tell me i am wrong again and need to understand islam better???
happy laughing
anil
KOUL ANIL
September 28, 2008 at 12:09 pm
Yup you are wrong. You know nothing
Mir Nazim
September 28, 2008 at 1:27 pm
well
kc
September 28, 2008 at 2:09 pm
mir I knew ur answer ahead of time — so it is no surprise — u either don’t know islam properly or u are one of those individuals who are in total denial after knowing truth …
in both cases I sympathize with people like you ….
because u are the sufferer and victims of islam and unfortunately dont even have the slightest idea about that….
feel sorry for u …. ur own brother whose ancestors did not convert to islam like urs….
anil
KOUL ANIL
September 28, 2008 at 7:35 pm
hilarious video made me wonder about the poor souls …
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=daxupYD05Zo&eurl
happy watching
anil
KOUL ANIL
September 28, 2008 at 9:00 pm
Is there anything you do not know sir.
All Hail “Mr. KNOW ALL”
Mir Nazim
September 28, 2008 at 9:43 pm
sure I dont know one thing — that is
whether islam will vanish in this decade or the next one …. could u answer that …
anil
KOUL ANIL
September 28, 2008 at 9:49 pm
You(and all others included) have not been able to harm Islam, in least possible way in last, 1400 years. What you gonna do now.
Not that its not been tried. It has been tried in every possible way over last few centuries. And is being tried today. Still we are the fastest growing community all over the world.
It ain’t gonna happen. It’s just your wishful thinking. You are free to indulge in it.
Mir Nazim
September 28, 2008 at 11:49 pm
I can only but laugh at your ignorance
Anil
KOUL ANIL
September 29, 2008 at 12:36 am
Solution to Kashmir: A Fresh Open Letter To Kashmiri Muslims.
By : Bilhan Kaul
As sun is beating down hard on the plains of India, I intend to keep heat on your head over Kashmir issue boiling. And to do that honest question will be put. Trust me on that score.
As you know militancy has been raging in Kashmir for past eighteen years and your straight question is India has illegally occupied Kashmir.
This is a dispute for you and for me as well. To break the logjam, we have to arrive at consensus. So that, states quo, which you desperately hate, is broken to pieces. Since Kashmiri Pandits are out of Kashmir, they will not get Panun Kashmir, if you do not get anything. By anything I mean break from Indian hold over Kashmir. I have come straight to the point to give you glimpses what is coming next. Also to start is a tricky business, therefore, if we don’t get Panun Kashmir you will not get Islamic republic. Hence, I am desperate you get some thing which is break from the past so that Kashmiri Pandits get Panun Kashmir. But bigger question is whether you and I are honest. The contents of this piece will decide that however.
As most of you are bonafide citizen of Kashmir, I have a stake for you and me to be fulfilled so that we can proceed. The stake is we get out those Sayyids and other foreign stuff who have come to Kashmir earlier so that you get Islamic republic and we the Pandits, Panun Kashmir. Of course you may say Sikhs have also settled in Kashmir from outside. Therefore get Sikhs out so that we get Panun Kashmir. Most of the shrines like mosque of Syed Hamdani are not of local people. Hence eject them out so that you get Islamic republic and we get Panun Kashmir.
But may be I am moving too fast. Therefore, let us settle down a bit.
If Indian forces kill somebody it is atrocity, I am not disputing the same. But if they reach out to you then you cry they are trying to integrate Kashmiri Muslims forcibly much against their wishes. But why don’t you get those Sayyids and other foreign settlers who used and misused god as instrument for subjugation of Kashmiri’s. Sayids and others Central Asian stuff reached out to you and they are great. But if Indian Govt. reaches out to you it is cultural invasion. Hence if you don’t resolve the question we will not get Panun Kashmir. Because as already made plain to you we will get that if you get Islamic republic.
Before proceeding further this mad rush for settlement of dispute by the way is our date. We Kashmiri Pandits believe that date of dispute is 1st June 1340.But you believe that date of dispute is 1947. Conversely you may say date of dispute is base I would like to say it is top. But if you insist date of dispute is top I would say it is base.
This conflict partly arises from the angle in which you see the Kashmiri conflict. If for you it is 1947 we have legitimate right to get little earlier. That is 1340, because you don’t get to the root of problem but only to the branch. Therefore I am duty bound to do just that, to go to the root of the problem.
As such if you look from the top you will get the base which I am referring to but if you look from the base of 1947 as the problem I am referring to top of 1340 as a date of the conflict. Now I hope you have got to the problem from the bottom of your heart. In my case, I have understood it from top of my heart.
As a person who wears atheism on his sleeves, you have answer to make. Your culture was shattered six hundred and fifty years ago but you insist it was shattered by in India. Excuse me, whose land Kashmir is anyway? I have, however, sympathies with you. Because by day and night man is not expected to be philosopher twenty four hours on trot. Multiply it by months and years and it is not possible. Therefore you have been conquered in fourteenth century and you want to settle there. I also understand that common man is ground to dust due to conflict in Kashmir. He converted to escape tyranny but is finding to his dismay that there are no benefits now. Hence by a logic of commonsense, which is common to many people, you tend to say why we converted. Hence we fathom that conversion is root cause of conflict in the valley. All other issues directly flow from it. History has shaped the present turmoil. Your DNA has carried the data that you have been forcibly converted. But now you are puzzled by the fact that how Brahmans remained Brahmans despite tyranny. Hence there is rage among the militants. Hence they want to restart the tyranny in order to prove that they too are humans, who did not remain immune to violence. If you doubt the logic then inspect the thought process of militant. He understands the logic better than others. He understands it at primitive level. You expect Islamists to win because you were defeated by it centuries ago. Hence you expect the same for Kashmiri pandits. In the past you have shown flexibility by accepting foreign faith. You have proved that you are not slaves to habit. Now once you changed your religion it is now impossible for you to leave the habit. Therefore, in order to prove, now as you have proved then change of faith is easy for you. Adopt religion like Budhism. It is a faith of your ancestors. Now it hardly makes sense if someone of your ancestors accepted Islam because of its alleged superiorty. But you have also to accept the fact that religion of your ancestors was pagan, Budhism, or Hindu. In others words, your ancestors entry to Islam heralds for you new world view and new customs and habit but those of your earlier customs is forgotten. What do you make of that? I am afraid that I have not elaborated the point with clarity. To depict what is in your head and to put to ink is difficult . Because many worlds are lost in between. Kashmir is place where history will not be forgotten. Like a fridge, which preserves vegetables Kashmir preserves past memories. That is why conversion issue is fresh in Kashmir, but not in plains of India. Because it seems that heat burns everything in plains of India. Therefore let us again come to the point. If status quo remains and there is no solution according to your wishes we will find that we will not get Panun Kashmir. We will plead your case if you accede to our wishes. In case you have forgotten, I will freshen your memories.
Cut of date should be 1st june 1340 and get all Sayyids, Naksbandis, and Geelani’s out of the valley. Remove everything connected with them. Also see to it that Punjabi Muslims are also ejected . This will reduce local Muslim population and Pandit population currently out of the valley. Divide Kashmir according to population ratio and loo and behold solution is in sight. I will bet Indian Govt. and world opinion will not overlook such attractive offer for you and me. Also you will prove to the world that you don’t suffer from selective amnesia. Solution, solution ,we are at it. Decide now and here for all times. Flood the market with your opinions.
bilhan kaul
September 29, 2008 at 7:25 am
Copying my line. He he.
By the way who is this Bihan Koul. He seriously needs some English lessons.
Mir Nazim
September 29, 2008 at 1:15 pm
This is the beauty of words — when u said meaning was different — and when i said meaning is totally different — but words are same — ha ha
I am least worried about someones english personally — mine is no better than many — To me he was able to put across his feelings that is good enough — same way farhad did … that was fine too…
As i have mentioned earlier I respect Human life and treat it as most precious — all I have problem is not with muslims but with Islam that teaches muslims to become what they become….
anil
Koul Anil
September 29, 2008 at 3:21 pm
whoever bihan is…. frst tell me who r u???
never heard ur name before….
pamposh
September 29, 2008 at 3:24 pm
@Bilhan Koul
You have a travesty of history and your approach has been ludicrous . Whether you want to see it bottom up or top down , it wont matter, the truth is if people want freedom it is inevitable when teh grounds are strong.
For your Panun kashmir theory , i wish you all the success and may your aspirations come true.
@pamposh
Whenever i see your lines they have starkling similarity with a female namely Neha on this blog.
innocuous tyro
September 29, 2008 at 3:45 pm
Pamposh — that way no one here needs to know any other person … we know people by there comments and that is it — it is never important who I am but it is very Important what I stand for….
after all let us take things easy — these are just comments and our personnel opinions — which we might be able to support logically or religiously or emotionally or any other way but they are just opinions.
anil
Farhad on one side may be very Religious in his arguments and Bihan might be emotional — so let us present our views and oppose the ones we don’t like with peace and love— the basic human behavior — right
Koul Anil
September 29, 2008 at 3:49 pm
moslem terrorists are being caught from everywhere …
shows there terrorist incline as well as of RELIGION OF TERRORISM ISLAM …
kc
September 29, 2008 at 3:53 pm
Chor ki dadi mein tinks –
Inno does ur style of english match with some one else — just wondering —
Samajdar kay liya ishara kafi hai
Anil
Koul Anil
September 29, 2008 at 3:58 pm
>>the truth is if people want freedom it is inevitable >>when teh grounds are strong.
The truth is also that world is fed of ISLAM, the grounds are strong here too.
I once again say the KASHMIR will go to one who is stronger in every sense, either to KM’s or to INDIA
May be it will take couple of more decades to suppress the ISLAMIC terrorism, I think INDIA is okay with it.
Actually we need Jagmohan and people like Sanjay Gandhi back, I bet things will be sorted for ever if such people come to power it will be good for all.
Peace
Vicky
September 29, 2008 at 4:20 pm
Quran is the supposedly book from Muslim God Allah — then why these errors are being pointed out by muslims….. Amazing
http://www.islam-watch.org/MuminSalih/Outrageous-Language-Errors-in-Quran.htm
Looks like God missed something and corrected it some where else — amazing —
have fun
Anil
Koul Anil
September 29, 2008 at 4:22 pm
Koul Sahib….
>>Samajdar kay liya ishara kafi hai
Hakim Pervaz had disappeared.
However one thing is good that this blog is able to pull the attention of the KM’s
Peace
Vicky
September 29, 2008 at 4:22 pm
Vicky —
I agree fully with Ali Sina 2-3 short Decades and Islam will be found in The dustbin of History….
Anil
Koul Anil
September 29, 2008 at 4:24 pm
Anil ,
The problem is not the KM’s actually, they had been victimized by the ISLAM.
You won’t believe most of the KP’s I knew did not know all these things but they are getting interested to find it now.We are hitting the proper spot now “ISLAMIC TERRORISM”
Peace
Vicky
September 29, 2008 at 4:26 pm
people have started caring for people more here …
thats good …
chandra
September 29, 2008 at 4:27 pm
news is the moslem terrorists have now gone to “take help” from the khalistani groups …
they cant seem to do enough by themselves …
moslems terrorists are playing with fire … they may get burnt bad … worse is …they may get their whole community burnt …
hope they will get a grip …
but i have a feeling they wont … till their community gets burnt …
war against islam is now a global phenomenon … being fought overtly and covertly around the world …
WE WILL WIN AND ERADICATE ISLAM …
chandra
September 29, 2008 at 4:41 pm
@koul anil
i never really understood what you meant by “chor ki daadi mein tinka”
Well that is a passe for me , the bottom line is freedom is inevitable.
innocuous tyro
September 29, 2008 at 4:43 pm
Chandra,
One more ISLAMIC TERRORISM ACT, IMO…
This is breaking news :
Low intensity blast in Modassa in Gujarat; 3 injured
So they are challenging Modi this time, wait and watch
Peace
Vicky
September 29, 2008 at 4:46 pm
@innocuous tyro
Yes I know freedom is inevitable.
You SIMI brothers also wanted ISLAMIC rule in INDIA, wait and watch.
The pain of the people is turning to anger now, all will get freedom as that is inevitable.
Peace
Vicky
September 29, 2008 at 4:49 pm
Inno
Certain things if not understood are better — have fun
I personally agree with u 100% Freedom is inevitable — world will get finally freedom from Islam — I 100% agree with u world will be free of Islam…
SEE I FULLY AGREED WITH UR BOTTOM LINE — FREEDOM IS INEVITABLE — AND PEOPLE SAY I DONT AGREE WITH MY MUSLIM BROTHERS WHO WANT FREEDOM FROM ISLAM…..
Anil
Koul Anil
September 29, 2008 at 4:50 pm
You have not answered my questions.
What you gonna do??? Kill?? How many?? 1.6 billion ??
By the time you are done killing 1.6 billion, another 1.6 billion will be ready.
Mir Nazim
September 29, 2008 at 5:01 pm
Moreover, about errors in Quran, those have been refuted 100000000000000000000 times, not by muslisms but people of other faiths.
Have Fun
Mir Nazim
September 29, 2008 at 5:06 pm
No Mir sahab…
We dont Kill brothers that were hijacked by ISLAM — I dont even think of Killing even in my dreams — please leave killing and such thoughts only to ISLAM — we love peace …
yes agree — 1.6 billion is a huge number to convince that ISLAMIC teachings are wrong and against humanity — It is herculean task to educate MUSLIMS about truth of ISLAM — but it is not impossible…
Mir let us join hands together and make world more peaceful without ISLAM — that is it
Than u will see How 1.6 Billion will vanish and all u will see love and peace without any deaths or killings—
Love and peace
Anil
Koul Anil
September 29, 2008 at 5:09 pm
@Vicky
Why did you use “your” brothers , the truth is that all humans are brothers bonded by teh fabric of humanity. May be this truth evades you always thats why you try to be selective in choosing fraternities.
@Anil Koul
#Certain things if not understood are better.
You twisted a simple query and tried to sate your consiousness by evading .
World will finally get freedom from ignorance, bias, myopic visionaries and horrendous humans.
You portray as if you are an expert on religion but you forget the verbatim meaning of ISLAM.
innocuous tyro
September 29, 2008 at 5:09 pm
>>What you gonna do??? Kill?? How many?? 1.6 billion ??
Is Killing the only way?
Keep them backward so that there numbers won’t affect the world, do you understand?
Keep them uneducated and let them follow sharia/islam, give them a different world full of mess.
The complete ISLAMIC world of east is not able to stop US, why ?
Killing is no way Mir and Hindus are against killings, the day people speak openly about ISLAM as they do with other religions the ISLAM will be reformed
Imagine the cartoons/movies/comics etc of ….., the fact is that people are ignorant as i was myself few months back.
Peace
Vicky
September 29, 2008 at 5:14 pm
We will change the rest …
and we will kill all who dont want to change …
i know there is a tendency getting into Indian moslems to turn India into Israel … they may well do that to an extent … but the whole world is against islam … and we will come over this … just like we did in Punjab … just like sikhs know the whole of India is there to be taken … why settle for Punjab … and we have a SIKH PRIME MINISTER OF INDIA … where else in the world can we have this … perhaps only USA … thats why moslems seem to hate both India and USA …
WE WILL KILL ALL ISLAMISTS … NO MATTER WHAT IT TAKES …
but rest assured all moslems are not with the islamists … if they think so then they are naive … just like the khalistanis found out to their dismay that sikhs turned against the terrorists … so will the Indian moslems …
“i am sure the day Indian people decide to march towards kashmir … we will have Indian moslems leading from the front … ”
moslem and islam are two different things …
for me a moslem is one who does not fully follow the quran … makes sure he follows the good stuff there … and ignores the terrorism paras … believes in the concept of allah … but still has brains to reason things out … and not follow anyone or anything blindly …
i am sure moslems will agree …. and i dont need to argue with islamists for my definition of a moslem …
WE WILL ERADICATE TERRORISTS AND ISLAMISTS …
i dont think India will even mind a moslem Prime Minister … but off course they have to change the terrorist mindset and join …
THE GREAT PEOPLE OF INDIA …
chandra
September 29, 2008 at 5:22 pm
@innocuous tyro
>>Why did you use “your” brothers
To show you the ISLAMIC brotherhood, there is nothing like HINDU brotherhood.
Why can’t you say the SIMI is ISLAMIC terrorist organization and are not your brothers?
>>he truth is that all humans are brothers bonded by teh >>fabric of humanity.
Yes.
I don’t think the humanity delve in KM’s(exceptional are always).
Chandra
>>for me a moslem is one who does not fully follow the >>quran … makes sure he follows the good stuff there …
Exactly!!! I have seen such Muslims and I am sure you also would have close knits to such guys.
I feel pity on those guys but I am sure that I will stand for them everytime.
Peace
Vicky
September 29, 2008 at 5:33 pm
Probably u are educated muslim in denial
and the common or majority muslim looks upto u people to give them direction — tell them truth — explain to them meaning of Quran as it is — not just memorize without understanding — Muslim need to be educated and that is main reason for their backwardness and barbaric behaviour — as tehy follow quran word by word as a order from god….
think there is huge responsibility on the shoulders of educated muslims — dont shy away but help others…
love and peace
anil
Koul Anil
September 29, 2008 at 5:34 pm
>> as tehy follow quran word by word as a order
>> from god…
Perfect. One more problem surfaces. You have problem people following teachings of their religion.
What do you have to say, if I say I have a problem with Hindus following Hinduism??
Please answer this particular question. No dilly dallying.
Mir Nazim
September 29, 2008 at 5:51 pm
Mir,
>>What do you have to say, if I say I have a problem with >>Hindus following Hinduism??
It is simple and your actions have answer to it.
Kill those HINDUS as you have been doing with KP’s from ages. Say Jihad against those HINDUS, call fatwa on them
Peace
Vicky
September 29, 2008 at 5:58 pm
Vicky …
i used to play cricket with a few of them …
hope they havent lost track now …
and they were no 5 time namazi and jihadi and all that shit … perhaps just like Hindus going to temples when there is a festival … they goin to a mosque when there is festival … wearing what everybody else is wearing …
kashmiri moslems are just terrorists … not all though … i have heard that as well … but i am sure they are worse and more untrustworthy than the majority of moslems anywhere in India … or Indian moslems … is a better word …
i have a feeling they think that they came straight from heaven and fell into kashmir … lolz ….
… the whole shit of kashmiriyat and holier than thou attitude … very visible during the Amarnath time and off course in terrorism days of kashmir … they are nothing but coward converts …
but i will advise the countrymen to be vigilant …
chandra
September 29, 2008 at 5:59 pm
MIR your question
>>What do you have to say, if I say I have a problem with Hindus following Hinduism??
>>Please answer this particular question. No dilly dallying.
I have absolutely no problem — to ask people not to follow the any part of Hinduism that will teach Killings of others — If u observed I never got in any discussion where I needed to defend my faith based on scriptures — I am an human following religion of Humanity — I was born Hindu and follow certain rituals and traditions that came across — I treat my muslim friends like humans and offer them tea with us — they sit with me next to me on my dining table — I dont believe in Schrout and Schrooch — those are bad customs against my beleif of humanity — But i beleive in Hoon meind —
but the fact is hinduism has changes and people have protested openly for change — like caste system — they never got fatwa for that — like my muslim brothers…
This topic I nevr wanted to discuss but u posed direct question and u got the direct answer — are u happy…
Love and peace
anil
Koul Anil
September 29, 2008 at 6:05 pm
Chandra,
>>kashmiri moslems are just terrorists
Appropriate word would be anti-indians and support terrorism(jihad).
I have not see a single pro-indian KM in my life time.It is a truth, if I find a single KM my perception about KM’s will change
Peace
Vicky
September 29, 2008 at 6:09 pm
@anil
Cool. I see a change in your tone. For past few comments you are calling Muslims as brothers. Is everything OK with you.
Moreover, it is good to see how you earlier talked about Hindu, Hindu, Hindu, Hindu. Now saying you are not a Hindu.
Good to know that you are not a Hindu.
@Vicky
You will be glad to know that there are some PRO-INDIAN Kashmiri Muslims. But do not worry. You don’t need to change your perceptions because they can be counted on fingers and after we Free Kashmir, they will soon join you.
Mir Nazim
September 29, 2008 at 6:31 pm
Inno
>>>You portray as if you are an expert on religion but you forget the verbatim meaning of ISLAM.
Even if I agree — which I dont and can prove– That ISLAM IS RELIGION OF PEACE – ur verbatim meaning — Does ur quran support that meaning — its teachings are totally opposite — click on my name browse to bottom and watch videos for ur self — what is so very peace ful or peace loving in life of Muhammad — after his first wife died he became uncontrolled maniac — think my dear — where is peace in ISLAM
have fun and enjoy watching videos — A lesson
anil
Koul Anil
September 29, 2008 at 6:31 pm
Mir nazim U are mistaken where did I talk Hindu Hindu Hindu — i always talked about humans and humanity —
Even a terrorist is my brother but he is totally misguided by islam what can I say — take Islam away from Him and he is Human —
I am Hindu just per my understanding of hinduism — Himsa say door — is a hindu — so in that sense yes — you will be surprised when u try to understand hinduism it has place for every king of thinking — so dont be kidding —
I talked about the rituals or traditions — where a muslim was treated and given food in our house in different plate — he was never called on to sit with members in the family and eat — I come from that family and never accepted those values and thinking —
the same way u dont probably agree with certain thinkings and accept certain teachings of ISLAM — the problem is I can say I dont like hinduism for so and so reason — but u cant even say that THINK WHY???
or do u still think Quran is perfect book written by GOD and Muhammad is the ideal and perfect human that ever walked on earth???
if answer to above is yes? In that case discussion with u is useless as we can look through quran and know what u will say very much and what will be ur stand — because in that case u have sold ur brain and soul to ISLAM and u are nothing but Zombie….
Have fun
Love and peace
Anil
Koul Anil
September 29, 2008 at 6:44 pm
>> do u still think Quran is perfect book written
>> by GOD
The answer is resounding YES to this question. And this has been proven by the simple growth of Islam in last few years. And Islam is growing in west like anything. What you have to say to that.
>> and Muhammad is the ideal and perfect human that ever walked on earth???
Anyone who has basic knowledge of Quran/Islam will answer no to this question.
The reason you pose this question is proof enough that your knowledge of Quran is misplaced and half baked.
Actually, Allah says in the Quran that I sent prophets and messengers to each and every nation on this earth. Total 124,000 prophets and messengers were sent. Each of them were perfect humans and example for their people.
The Last and Final Prophet, Muhammad, may peace and blessings of Allah be upon him has come with a message for betterment of whole of human kind.
Hope that clears the picture for you.
Mir Nazim
September 29, 2008 at 7:04 pm
Islams growth has nothing to do with whether quran is book written by god or not more over I am not looking for a proof of that kind — I have read and confirmed many proofs that will go totally against ur answer…
Muhammad is a perfect Human??? you twisted the answer…. I would appreciate if you could quote chapter and verse that way I will cross check it — I have realized muslims talk lot of crap just because maulvis taught them…
Muhammad came with the message of Allah for the betterment of whole of the human kind??
How?? what is so great and admirable in his life and what betterment did he do? please quote books or quran I will refer what u are talking about…
Ideal and perfect man that lived on earth and each Muslim should live life like his. Why? how?
Amazing of course u said it u just have a blind faith and dont need thinking — In most posh toilets u will still need 7 stones — what can I say — ISLAM TOOK UR THINKING TO THINK LOGICALLY …
But u will realize sooner or later as I said couple of short decades and u are young and will see it — for sure
love and peace
Anil
Koul Anil
September 29, 2008 at 7:43 pm
Test comment.
Mir Nazim
September 29, 2008 at 9:21 pm
>> Islams growth has nothing to do with
>> whether quran is book written by go
This is the stupidest thing I have ever heard. Quran us the center piece of Islam and you say it is not the reason for people coming to Islam leaving behind Christianity, Judaism, Hundism and other religions.
What can I say.
Mir Nazim
September 29, 2008 at 9:27 pm
Why is our beloved prophet is The Greatest. I will not say myself. I will let non-muslims like Gorge Bernad Shaw, La Martine, Thomas Carlyle, Micheal H. Hart and you own Father of Indian nation M. K. Gandhi, talk.
Check it. http://youtube.com/watch?v=roN6hpP2exE
Mir Nazim
September 29, 2008 at 9:32 pm
Most of the cases (~8/10) it is muslim boy friend the reason or sweet talk by some one close to the boy and most of the converts are the trapped and simple girls in LOVE…. THAT IS FACT —
(2/10) Only a Fool, Pervert or saddest or child molester will become Muslim on his own accord — Because Islam Allows it and there are some crazy weirdos or mentally retarded people who will do that — that is they need medical attention —
U are not talking quran — what is there that is so great and has impressed you and the people to join ISLAM — To me looks like you even Lack the information about what is impressive about quran or life of mumahhad — If you dont know ask ur maulvi in Masjid and ask him to quote quran in its support and then check for urself what is what by using the translation of M.ASAD or YUSAF ALI and THINK….
You seem to be very good man — look care fully and come out of this bubble of lies that is wowen around u by ISLAM….
Love and peace
Anil
Koul Anil
September 29, 2008 at 9:38 pm
“”"Most of the cases (~8/10) it is muslim boy friend the reason or sweet talk by some one close to the boy and most of the converts are the trapped and simple girls in LOVE”"”
And can you point me to the source of the statistic from where you got this. or did you just invent this one.
Mir Nazim
September 29, 2008 at 9:51 pm
Even George W Bush has said ISLAM is religion of Peace — Think carefully dont u think it is just a political Statement How much Truth is in IT?
Koul Anil
September 29, 2008 at 10:16 pm
Read On Faith Freedom by Ali Sina
Anil
Koul Anil
September 29, 2008 at 10:17 pm
“O ye who believe! Ask not questions about things which if made plain to you, may cause you trouble… Some people before you did ask such questions, and on that account lost their faith.” (Quran. 5:101-102)
http://www.faithfreedom.org/faq/62.htm
here he gives the link also to other sites — I have read about the conversions Will dig for u Because u always need proof —
Anil
Koul Anil
September 29, 2008 at 10:27 pm
Trust me I have read Freedom Faith thoroughly a couple of years back.
Ali Sina’s, like you, seldom rise above the level of mediocrity.
Moreover, I do not care what Ali Sina says give me statistics.
about Bush. Yup it was nothing more than a political statement.
Mir Nazim
September 29, 2008 at 10:38 pm
Hey Mir,
I found another source that may help you…
http://www.wikiislam.com/wiki/Muslims_Leaving_Islam
I will still find that page/site I have read it for sure Last person to cook up numbers….
Take care
Anil
Koul Anil
September 29, 2008 at 10:44 pm
What should I call u — Picked up lines about Ali Sina u seem to have read a lot …. really wonder how come I keep on showing u videos — u say they are fake– and there is nothing called islamic terrorism — islam is peace — i show u web sites and u seem to have read it thoroughly — on other hand ur English knowledge seem to be excellent — so u are educated — u are able to read my comments so u can see — You have thinking capability you can argue and divert or change the topic…..
Now — I can only but laugh at your deliberate ignorance
Anil
Koul Anil
September 29, 2008 at 10:55 pm
Compare your list to this list http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_notable_converts_to_Islam
And remember the content rules are very very strict in WikiPedia that what you have given me.
Mir Nazim
September 29, 2008 at 11:03 pm
I do not know Ali Sina beyond his website. His arguments are foolish and not worth attention. They contain nothing but absurdities of his intellectual bankruptcy.
Islam is peace but not peace in the ways you talk about.
Islam is clear on what peace means.
“Do not fight those who do not fight you, but if someone lays a finger on you, uproot his arm from his shoulder”
You also seem to have read Quran very well. While you can see the verses of fighting , you don’t seem to look at verses like:
2:256: “Let there be no compulsion in religion”
60:08: “Allah forbids you, with regard to those who fight you not for (your) Faith nor drive you out of your homes, from dealing kindly and justly with them, for Allah loveth those who are just”
Qur’an 16:125-128
Invite all to the way of your Lord
with wisdom and beautiful preaching.
And argue with them
in ways that are best and most gracious…
And if you punish,
let your punishment be proportional
to the wrong that has been done to you.
But if you show patience, that is indeed the best course.
Be patient, for your patience is from God.
And do not grieve over them,
or distress yourself because of their plots.
For God is with those who restrain themselves,
and those who do good.
Qur’an 4:135
Oh you who believe!
Stand out firmly for justice, as witnesses to God,
even against yourselves, or your parents, or your kin,
and whether it be against rich or poor,
for God can best protect both.
Follow not the cravings of your hearts, lest you swerve,
and if you distort justice or decline to do justice,
verily God is well acquainted with all that you do.
Quran 5:32
If anyone slays a person
- unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land
- it would be as if he slew all people.
And if anyone saves a life,
it would be as if he saved the life of all people.
Quran 2:190-193.
* Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for Allah loveth not transgressors.
* And slay them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out; for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter; but fight them not at the Sacred Mosque, unless they (first) fight you there; but if they fight you, slay them. Such is the reward of those who suppress faith.
* But if they cease, Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.
* And fight them on until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah; but if they cease, let there be no hostility except to those who practice oppression.
Mir Nazim
September 29, 2008 at 11:59 pm
with the same logic and Very very very strict rules— what would u say for
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_former_Muslims
And remember the content rules are very very strict in WikiPedia that what you have given me.
and trust me list is way way bigger than u see — people dont openly leave ISLAM because ISLAM gives nothing but death to them for leaving ISLAM — Imagine if u left ISLAM how hard will it be for u to publicly talk about especially if u are in KASHMIR or PAKISTAN or any muslim country — Next thing u will be hanged in Public — THINK WHY???
ANIL
Koul Anil
September 30, 2008 at 12:04 am
And what proofs you have that this list is big except for your words.
Anyway, you have still not responded to my question on previous comment
Mir Nazim
September 30, 2008 at 12:21 am
you said
>>>2:256: “Let there be no compulsion in religion”
Yousif ALI said:
2:256 Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things.
the very next one:
2:257 Allah is the Protector of those who have faith: from the depths of darkness He will lead them forth into light. Of those who reject faith the patrons are the evil ones: from light they will lead them forth into the depths of darkness. They will be companions of the fire, to dwell therein (For ever)
In Al-Nisa This is said :
4:140 And, indeed, He has enjoined upon you in this divine writ that whenever you hear people deny the truth of God’s messages and mock at them, you shall avoid their company until they begin to talk of other things [155] – or else, verily, you will become like them. Behold, together with those who deny the truth God will gather in hell the hypocrites,
here is 5:32 translated by Yousif Ali
Al-Ma’idah
5:32 On that account: We ordained for the Children of Israel that if any one slew a person – unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land – it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people. Then although there came to them Our apostles with clear signs, yet, even after that, many of them continued to commit excesses in the land.
Now please look at 5:33 please read and enlighten urself :
5:33 The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter;
is that the peace talk ???
takes time in typing…. and locating contents not easy for non muslim to Quote ur ISLAM so did u see what is fact : I have many times compared translations of Yousif Ali and Asad and Picktall They are more or less same but I have preferred Yousif Ali because the way he writes and also is accepted translation of majority of muslims…..
Anil
Koul Anil
September 30, 2008 at 12:34 am
All of your earlier verse are about the punishments for the people who go against religion, mostly referring to the punishment from the God himself and not the punishment by humans. You will find the similar quotes in other religions also.
As far as your problem with verses from Sura Ma’idah are concerned, I will surely respond to that.
The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might
I have underlined few words for you to understand. The punishment has two pre-conditions(both need to be fulfilled for punishment to be applicable):
1. They are waging war
2. And the war is physical one(strive with might)
Is that so difficult to understand. Let me make it simple for you.
What punishment do you prescribe to those who wage war</b< against India and strive with might?
Mir Nazim
September 30, 2008 at 12:51 am
OOPS. underlines not working here.
Mir Nazim
September 30, 2008 at 12:55 am
What punishment do you prescribe to those who wage war</b< against India and strive with might?
Peace — Isnt ISLAM THE RELIGION OF PEACE ….
and come out of mis conception that people wage wars against ISLAM it is always other way round:
here is Farhads message for his brothers:
HELLO BROTHERS
ASLAM WALAY KUM
ALLAH HAS ASKED US TO SPREAD ISLAM ALL OVER THE WORLD. INSHAH ALLAH ISLAM WILL RULE THE WORLD AND HOLY QURAN WILL BE READ EVERYWHERE….
KAFIRS ARE WRITING ALL OVER THE INTERNET ON THE SITES LIKE http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/ AND I DONT THINK THAT IS RIGHT. THEY DONT UNDERSTAND THAT ISLAM REALLY MEANS PEACE. AND WE ARE PEACE LOVING RELIGION.
AND IF ANYONE SAYS BAD THINGS ABOUT OUR HOLY QURAN OR PROPHET MUHAMMAD(PBUH) LA ILLAH ILA ALLAH — WE SWEAR OUR ALLAH HAS COMMANDED US IN THE VERSE 2:191 THROUGH 2:193:
Waoqtuloohum haythu thaqiftumoohum waakhrijoohum min haythu akhrajookum waalfitnatu ashaddu mina alqatli wala tuqatiloohum AAinda almasjidi alharami hatta yuqatilookum feehi fain qatalookum faoqtuloohum kathalika jazao alkafireena
Faini intahaw fainna Allaha ghafoorun raheemun
Waqatiloohum hatta la takoona fitnatun wayakoona alddeenu lillahi faini intahaw fala AAudwana illa AAala alththalimeena
WE ARE ALL READY TO FIGHT JEHAD FOR OUR HOLY QURAN AND MUHAMMAD…. REMEMBER HOW U KAFIRS RAN OUT OF KASHMIR — SOON WE WILL TAKE ALL THE INDIA…. INSHAH ALLAH
FARHAD
————
he quoted your verses above let us look at the meaning of these and see what they have from Al-Baqara:
2:191 And slay them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have Turned you out; for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter; but fight them not at the Sacred Mosque, unless they (first) fight you there; but if they fight you, slay them. Such is the reward of those who suppress faith.
2:192 But if they cease, Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.
2:193 And fight them on until there is no more Tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah. but if they cease, Let there be no hostility except to those who practise oppression.
————-
Clearly does not look like Allah will do it but he is asking Muslims to do that and they dont talk about other faiths but only faith in allah — is this a peace talk or talk of terrorism…..
Think Man….
U are more knowledgeable than me but why act ignorant….. U know how to make Bold and underline I dont….
Anil
KOUL ANIL
September 30, 2008 at 2:19 am
@Koul Anil
Your knowledge of Islam is skin deep , it ought to be when it hinges on the precarious poise of faith freedom and Ali sina.
It is futile to impregnate souls like you with the foetus of Knowledge on Islam. The problem with people like you is your stereotype about Islam and your vision through the myopic prism of malice and bias. There is a concerted effort to slander religion but Alas ! people have met with feeble success .
It is very easy to rebut what you say abouit Islam or what your mentor Ali Sina preaches. But as i mentioned blinkers on mind and thinking though the tunnel of tarnish would give you little space to think Big or think beyond.
You are at liberty to carry on with your Isalm bashing , but i would advise you to focus on Kashmir and the plight of your Pandit brethren. Talk about your Panun Kashmir and try to converge constructive thoughts which would bring a lease of life to your moribund community.
innocuous tyro
September 30, 2008 at 2:22 am
Qur’an 4:135
>Oh you who believe!
>Stand out firmly for justice, as witnesses to God,
>even against yourselves, or your parents, or your kin,
>and whether it be against rich or poor,
>for God can best protect both.
>Follow not the cravings of your hearts, lest you swerve,
>and if you distort justice or decline to do justice,
>verily God is well acquainted with all that you do.
Allah is asking u to kill even ur relatives including parents for his sake — I guess that is love and peace talk of allah
Bottom line is listen to Mulla and Kill the Kafirs even if ur parents dont agree kill them too …. silly religion — and who defines what is right and wrong
I guess marrying 6 year old is right but
and raping and selling slave girls of other religions is right
and make a list ur self u know better what is legal justice according to ISLAM….
Anil
KOUL ANIL
September 30, 2008 at 2:29 am
4:136 O ye who believe! Believe in Allah and His Messenger, and the scripture which He hath sent to His Messenger and the scripture which He sent to those before (him). Any who denieth Allah, His angels, His Books, His Messenger., and the Day of Judgment, hath gone far, far astray.
here in very next line this is for non believers of allah like us — so where is compassion and love???and peace—
ANIL
KOUL ANIL
September 30, 2008 at 2:31 am
4:139 Yea, to those who take for friends unbelievers rather than believers: is it honour they seek among them? Nay,- all honour is with Allah.
so what about this u claimed some Hindus to be friends????
KOUL ANIL
September 30, 2008 at 2:34 am
Inno — I AM NOT QUOTING ALI SINA I AM QUOTING QURAN AND TAKING VERSES VERY NEXT TO WHAT UR FRIEND MIR QUOTED AS PEACEFUL AM I WRONG IN THAT… IF MY KNOWLEDGE IS SKIN DEEP ENLIGHTEN ME WITH YOUR KNOWLEDGE AND TELL ME HOW ISLAM IS PEACEFUL OR HOW MUHAMMADS LIFE IS PERFECT LIFE
It is futile to impregnate souls like you with the foetus of Knowledge on Islam. The problem with people like you is your stereotype about Islam and your vision through the myopic prism of malice and bias. There is a concerted effort to slander religion but Alas ! people have met with feeble success .
EXCELLENT ENGLISH LIKE MR MIR BUT QUOTE QURAN AND LET PROVE US WRONG — WE ARE OPEN TO CRITICISM — IS ISLAM OPEN TO THAT OR NO???
It is very easy to rebut what you say abouit Islam or what your mentor Ali Sina preaches. But as i mentioned blinkers on mind and thinking though the tunnel of tarnish would give you little space to think Big or think beyond.
LET US ONLY THINK QURAN, LIFE OF MUHAMMAD AND HADIT WHY THINK BEYOND THAT U MAY NOT UNDERSTAND AT ALL….
You are at liberty to carry on with your Isalm bashing ,
I AM NOT BASHING ISLAM BUT QUOTING IT AND EXPLAINING IT
but i would advise you to focus on Kashmir and the plight of your Pandit brethren.
THE MAIN REASON IS ISLAM THAT IS WHY I HAVE TAKEN THIS STANCE
Talk about your Panun Kashmir and try to converge constructive thoughts which would bring a lease of life to your moribund community.
DUDE WE ARE WAY BETTER AND UNITED AT PRESENT — WE ARE NOT JUST THINKING KASHMIR — IT IS GLOBAL — ALL OVER THE WORLD — SAME STORY DIFFERENT PLACES — BE IT PHILIPINES AFRICA OR ANY WHERE IN WORLD — IT IS FIGHT AGAINST ISLAMIC TERRORISM — WHIC WE KASHMIRI PANDITS ARE WELL AWARE OF AND SPEAK OUT OF EXPERIENCE….
ANIL
KOUL ANIL
September 30, 2008 at 2:44 am
@innocuous tyro
>>You are at liberty to carry on with your Isalm bashing >>,Peace
Where is he bashing the ISLAM, he is taking the quote from the QURAN’s and explaining, we are linking it to the actions of al-quida, jaise-mohammad, SIMI …
We would have ignored if the issue would have been happening in one part of the world, it is spread across the globe.
Once again the problem is not in Kashmir but somewhere else, so let us eradicate the problem from the root.
Peace
Vicky
September 30, 2008 at 3:48 am
I USE YUSUF ALI TRANSLATION OF QURAN
WOW READ BELOW AND WONDER WHO IS GOING TO PAY ON BEHALF OF ALLAH THAT THEY SPEND???
this is from quran — Al-Anfal
8:60 Against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your power, including steeds of war, to strike terror into (the hearts of) the enemies, of Allah and your enemies, and others besides, whom ye may not know, but whom Allah doth know. Whatever ye shall spend in the cause of Allah, shall be repaid unto you, and ye shall not be treated unjustly.
THINK WHAT CAN U UNDERSTAND FROM THIS VERSE LOVE PEACE AND COMPASSION???
ANIL
KOUL ANIL
September 30, 2008 at 4:15 am
Quran – An-Nahl
16:93 If Allah so willed, He could make you all one people: But He leaves straying whom He pleases, and He guides whom He pleases: but ye shall certainly be called to account for all your actions.
ON WHAT BASIS DOES HE GET PLEASED OR WHY IS UR ALLAH PARTIAL TO SOME AND NOT TO OTHERS??? WONDERED — THIS IS NOT EVEN KARMA THEORY…
THE VERSE BEFORE DOES IT MAKE SENSE
Quran An-Nahl (The Bee)
16:92 And be not like a woman who breaks into untwisted strands the yarn which she has spun, after it has become strong. Nor take your oaths to practise deception between yourselves, lest one party should be more numerous than another: for Allah will test you by this; and on the Day of Judgment He will certainly make clear to you (the truth of) that wherein ye disagree.
AND THE VERSE LATER THAN THAT
Quran An-Nahl
16:94 And take not your oaths, to practise deception between yourselves, with the result that someone’s foot may slip after it was firmly planted, and ye may have to taste the evil (consequences) of having hindered (men) from the Path of Allah, and a Mighty Wrath descend on you.
FINDING PEACE IN ISLAM IS LIKE FINDING NEEDLE IN HAYSTACK — WHY ME EVEN MUSLIMS HAVE VERY HARD TIME ONLY WITH TWISTED INTERPRETATIONS YOU MAY SHOW LITTLE PEACE — BUT USING THERE OWN TRANSLATION IN COMPLETE — I COULD NOT FIND PEACE….
CAN U FIND EITHER IN PRACTICE OF IN LIFE OF MUHAMMAD OR IN QURAN SHOW US LIGHT TEACH US ISLAM WE ARE OPEN — PROVE US WRONG — PROVE ALI SINA WRONG AND EVEN MAKE MONEY — WHY NOT WHY CANT U TELL ALI HERE WE PROVE U WRONG — READ THE COMMENTS MADE BY MUSLIMS THERE I HAVE A REAL GOOD LAUGH WHEN I READ THOSE — MIR MIGHT HAVE READ THEM ALREADY IF INNO IS NOT DIFFERENT FROM MIR SO THEN U CAN READ THOSE COMMENTS TOO AND MAY BE TEACH SOME MUSLIM BROTHERS LESSON OR TWO ON ENGLISH …..
ANIL
KOUL ANIL
September 30, 2008 at 4:32 am
BOTTOM LINE OF ISLAM IS THAT:
WORLD SHOULD ACCEPT ISLAM AND ALLAH AS GOD AND MUHAMMAD AS PROPHET OTHERWISE BE READY FOR WRATH (ISLAMIC TERRORISM)
WHAT WE SEE NOW A DAYS ALL OVER THE WORLD — ISLAM BEING FOLLOWED AND CARRIED BY KILLERS AND BOMBERS AND SUICIDE BOMBERS—–
HOW CAN I BE WRONG IN SAYING ABOVE WHEN MUSLIMS WORLD WIDE ARE BENT UPON PROVING ME RIGHT — LOOK AT THE TERRORIST ATTACH TICKER IT MOVES FAST — WHY ??? BECAUSE OF ISLAM…..
ANIL
KOUL ANIL
September 30, 2008 at 4:41 am
A comment in times of india wesite,
Bobby, London, England, says: Muslims are blaming others for the failure of the Muslim community to be tough on terrorists. What they forget is in each of these instances who started the conflicts? Muslims start the conflict and then when faced with the wrath of the victims who are not Muslim, they cry foul. Do they expect non-Muslims to tolerate their relatives being killed and sit quietly? Times have changed Hindus will fight back now, we will not be doormats. If Muslims want to live in peace they need to weed out the terrorist element in their own community. Stop blaming others for your problems. This terrorist element is also very present here in England and through out Europe. The basic problem I have seen with the Muslim community is most of them have no respect for people of other faiths. They feel they are superior to others and want to convert others. They need to learn respect for other religions. Muslims are discriminated in India? Please they have it good in India, look at Bollywood, look at Wipro(Muslim owner) look at the Kalam, president of India. Do you think this is possible in Pakistan or Bangladesh for a non-Muslim? A secular country means everyone is free to practice their religion, but that does NOT mean special privileges. In India Muslims are given privileges such as Haj subsidy and Christians Israel subsidy which is an insult to the Hindu community, which gets nothing though they make up over 85% of the tax base. I say no government subsidies for any religion.
[30 Sep, 2008 0248hrs IST]
venkat
source: http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/opinions/msid-3542157,curpg-2.cms
venkat
September 30, 2008 at 8:09 am
Koul Anil.
Your last few comments is enough to prove the point. The answer to all your questions is right there in the verses you have quoted. Give read them once more.
>> come out of mis conception that people
>> wage wars against ISLAM it is always
>> other way round
Ok. Accepted for the sake of argument. Therefore your problem is with Muslims not Islam.
>> Allah is asking u to kill even ur relatives
>> including parents for his sake — I guess that
>> is love and peace talk of allah
Great. This means you have you have not read your own scriptures. Don’t you remember what advice Shri Krishna gave to arjun in battle field. “Stand for justice, even if it is against your brothers”
I have a another question for you(you did not answered my last one either).
What will you do if your brother or father or mother or son is proven to be a traitor of Nation
I repeat, answer to all your questions is present in the verse that you are quoting yourself, right there in front of your eyes.
Mir Nazim
September 30, 2008 at 9:04 am
the above comment says it all about …
THE GREATNESS OF INDIA AS A COUNTRY …
but make no mistake about it …
be it any religion …
Hindus will not tolerate any sort of wrongdoing or mischief like the previous times …
its been an evolution of Hinduism as a religion …
while both christianity and islam have the distinction of being grown after their leaders were subjected to wrongs …
Hinduism grew in PEACE … and that is the reason it preaches PEACE … it even let Buddhism and Jainism and Sikhism grow in PEACE …
BUT AS LONG AS EVANGELISTS AND MULLAHS DONT HAVE A “CONVERT ALL” AGENDA …
let people decide what they want … not make decisions for them … not lure them just like pimps lure a women to becoming a whore …
this is not religion preaching … this is similar to what a pimp will do … educate them if u want … then let them decide … for every choice there exists another choice …
I WOULD ASK BAJRANG DAL AND VHP AND RSS TO SPREAD AWARENESS FROM ORISSA TO KERALA … FROM GUJARAT TO ASSAM … ABOUT THESE CONVERSIONS AND CREATE AWARENESS ABOUT THE GREATNESS OF INDIA AND ITS CULTURE … CREATE AWARENESS ABOUT HINDUISM AND HELP PEOPLE WHO ARE IN NEED …
DO NOT RESORT TO VIOLENCE UNLESS PROVOKED … AND LET IT BE A LESSON … THEN GO BACK TO SPREADING THE MESSAGE AGAIN …
THE HINDU SWAMI WAS KILLED BECAUSE THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT THESE RELiGIONS RESORT TO WHEN THEY ARE CHALLENGED WITH LOVE ….
THEY JUST CANT STAND IT … THEY WERE JUST NOT READY TO ACCEPT THAT THE TRIBALS WHO THEY HAD CONVERTED WITH ALL THE EFFORT WERE BEING CONVERTED BACK TO THEIR CULTURE AGAIN AND THEY WERE ACCEPTING THE FACT … THAT THEY WERE HINDUS …
CONTINUED VIOLENCE HAS NO PLACE IN OUR CULTURE … WE CAN WIN BY SPREADING THE MESSAGE OF PEACE AND LOVE AND HINDUISM …
LETS DO THAT …
chandra
September 30, 2008 at 9:18 am
Like India is a nation to you, Islam is a nation to us.
What you gonna do??
Mir Nazim
September 30, 2008 at 9:47 am
@KOUL ANIL
## Allah is asking u to kill even ur relatives
## including parents for his sake — I guess that
## is love and peace talk of allah
Anil Koul do i need to remind you what Lord Krishna did in Mahabharata. Whom did he kill , were they not his relatives.
Dont try to act as a dunce in giving arguments but try to persuade people by conviction.
I have enogh repertoire to shaken you faith and dislodge your beliefs but humanity and my upbringing deters me to do that. I advise you not to abase any faith , not to demean any religion , religion is a purely personal affair .
You would be at a vantage point if you dont talk about religion when there is a discourse among people whose faiths diverge. Refine your intepretations and try to be constructive.
innocuous tyro
September 30, 2008 at 10:02 am
Mir,
>>Like India is a nation to you,
>>Islam is a nation to us.
That is the problem as I was telling the ISLAMIC brotherhood, HINDUS settled abroad are first the citizens of that nation and then HINDU and finally INDIAN.
Now Muslims settled anywhere are first loyal to ISLAM and then loyal to the country where they live.
Peace
Vicky
September 30, 2008 at 11:07 am
@innocuous tyro
>>but try to persuade people by conviction
I am convinced that there is some problem in the ISLAM, I don’t know if this is the way people interpret it or it is really a problematic.
Why I am saying all this is because I see the muslims across globe causing the problem now and I am sure you will also agree with it.
Well it all communities these are radicals but I see the MAJORITY in ISLAM are radicals and that is the problem.
Peace
Vicky
September 30, 2008 at 11:22 am
>> Now Muslims settled anywhere are first loyal
>> to ISLAM and then loyal to the country
>> where they live.
Yes our loyalty is is to our Creator and his commandments rather than to the creation.
Our loyalty to country is only as long as we do not have to leave our basic Islamic principles. Be it India, America or any other nation of the world.
>> HINDUS settled abroad are first the
>> citizens of that nation and
>> then HINDU and
>> finally INDIAN.
To you is your way. I have nothing to do with it.
Mir Nazim
September 30, 2008 at 11:26 am
Mir,
>>Yes our loyalty is is to our Creator and his >>commandments rather than to the creation.
Well then you would be believing that a single leaf will not move without our cretors WILL, no ?
Peace
Vicky
September 30, 2008 at 11:38 am
Great. This means you have you have not read your own scriptures. Don’t you remember what advice Shri Krishna gave to arjun in battle field. “Stand for justice, even if it is against your brothers”
THANK GOODNESS HINDUS DONT FOLLOW AND WILL NEVER FOLLOW — SUCH COMMANDS OF GOD UNLIKE MUSLIMS — HINDUS WILL TALK A LOT BUT BECAUSE OF ANGER — BUT THE FACT IS EVEN IF U CORNER AND TROUBLE A SMALL CREATURE LIKE RAT SOONER OR LATER HE WILL ATTACK U — BUT THAT IS JUST THE LAW OF NATURE NOTHING ABOUT HINDUISM—
I have a another question for you(you did not answered my last one either).
What will you do if your brother or father or mother or son is proven to be a traitor of Nation
LOVE AND PEACE ARE THE WAYS IT WILL ALWAYS WORK TO TALK AND EXPLAIN LOGIC TO PEOPLE RATHER THAN USE ANGER — SAME U SHOULD DO– AS U FOLLOW RELIGION OF PEACE???– BUT IT TEACHES U SOMETHING ELSE
PERSONALLY i NEVER WANTED TO FINISH MY MASTERS AND IT TOOK MY FATHER MORE THAN A WEEK AND COUPLE OF DINNERS TO EXPLAIN THE IMPORTANCE OF HIGHER EDUCATION — AND I AM GLAD HE DID AND I LISTENED
I repeat, answer to all your questions is present in the verse that you are quoting yourself, right there in front of your eyes.
WOULD NOT ASK U ANSWER BUT I KNOW IT AS YOU QUOTED QURAN AND ARE FIRM BELEIVER YOUR ANSWER IS OBVIOUS IN UR VERSES — U CANT THINK BUT JUST FOLLOW —
EVER WONDERED WHY NO SCIENTIST FROM MUSLIM COMMUNITY OF 1.5 BILLION EVER WON A NOBLE PRIZE??? THERE ARE FEW NUT NOT REALLY FOR SCIENCE– THAT REQUIRES CHANGE IN THINKING— THE MOMENT THEY DO THAT THEN THEY ARE NOT REALLY MIUSLIMS
HAVE FUN
ANIL
KOUL ANIL
September 30, 2008 at 12:34 pm
INNO
## Allah is asking u to kill even ur relatives
## including parents for his sake — I guess that
## is love and peace talk of allah
Anil Koul do i need to remind you what Lord Krishna did in Mahabharata. Whom did he kill , were they not his relatives.
THANKS FOR THIS i WILL BE TOTALLY AGAINST HINDUS MAKING A BALTTLE GROUND OF KUREKSHETRA FOR MUSLIMS — I AM AGAINST VIOLENCE — AND AS A HINDU CAN SAY I WONT FOLLOW THE FIGHT PART OF MAHABARTABUT WILL NOT FOLLOW ANY OF IT — BUT I WILL STILL BE HINDU AND NO ONE NEED TO COME BEHIND MY BLOOD FOR THST—
DO U HAVE THAT FREEDOM TO SAY OPENLY THAT U WONT FOLLOW CERTAIN PART OF QURAN BECAUSE IT TEACHES KILLINGS AND STILL BE ACCEPTED MUSLIM —
THE REASON QURAN CANT ACCEPT ANY CHANGE — FUNNY U GUYS WANT FREEDOM BUT U CAN NEVER BE FREE AS TRUE MUSLIMS…
Dont try to act as a dunce in giving arguments but try to persuade people by conviction.
I have enogh repertoire to shaken you faith and dislodge your beliefs but humanity and my upbringing deters me to do that.
FOLLOW QURAN WHY USE THE UPBRINGING PART — LISTEN TO WHAT ALLAH COMMANDS U AND FOLLOW HIS COMMAND — GO AHEAD THERE IS NO SIN FOR KILLIG OR DEGRADING PEOPLE OF OTHER FAITHS MUHAMMAD DID IT WHEN HE GOT THE JEWISH POET KILLED IN THE NIGHT… WHY WILL U ACT DIFFERENT—
I advise you not to abase any faith , not to demean any religion , religion is a purely personal affair .
THANKS FOR ADVISE– DEMEAN UR RELIGION USE UR OWN QURAN AND TELL ME HOW IS IT GREAT AND PERFECT — I PERSONALLY FAIL TO UNDERSTAND–
You would be at a vantage point if you dont talk about religion when there is a discourse among people whose faiths diverge. Refine your intepretations and try to be constructive.
i DONT INTERPRET UR RELIGION I HAVE USED YUSUF ALI WHO HAS TRANSLATED QURAN AND WHERE IS IT MY INTERPRETATION???
ANIL
KOUL ANIL
September 30, 2008 at 12:48 pm
You are one confused fellow. Looks like you cannot not understand simple English.
Mir Nazim
September 30, 2008 at 12:49 pm
mir nizam,
####
Like India is a nation to you, Islam is a nation to us.
What you gonna do??
####
####Yes our loyalty is is to our Creator and his commandments rather than to the creation.
Our loyalty to country is only as long as we do not have to leave our basic Islamic principles. Be it India, America or any other nation of the world. ####
loyalty without “integrity” is what you follow, is like marrying your own daughter.
it simply means you guys are “PERSONA NON GRATA” aka “TERRORISTS”, you guys have really justified it.
venkat
venkat
September 30, 2008 at 12:49 pm
Yes our loyalty is is to our Creator and his commandments rather than to the creation.
IN THAT CASE U SHOULD SIT IN MOSQUE AND SAY ALLAH ALLAH — WHY DIE FOR CREATION LIKE KSAHMIR –
BUT THAT IS NOT TRUE U ARE NOT DYING FOR KASHMIR U ARE USING KASHMIR FOR ISLAMIC TERRORISM AND SPREADING WORD OF UR ALLAH AND HIS COMANDS AND FOLLOW HIS PREACHINGS
Our loyalty to country is only as long as we do not have to leave our basic Islamic principles. Be it India, America or any other nation of the world.
THAT IS FUNNY THESE ARE FREE NATIONS IN THE WORLD ANY ONE IS FREE IN THESE COUNTRIES—
ANIL
KOUL ANIL
September 30, 2008 at 12:55 pm
masabh koi bhi ho, lekin desh ek hi hai, woh hi hindusthan, hamara dil ka dadkan.
venkat
venkat
September 30, 2008 at 12:58 pm
You are one confused fellow. Looks like you cannot not understand simple English.
AGREED UR ENGLISH IS GREAT AND I CANNOT UNDERSTAND
WHAT HAPPENED TO YOUR GOOD SELF WHY U FAIL TO UNDERSTAND QURAN UR OWN RELIGIOUS BOOK====
ANIL
KOUL ANIL
September 30, 2008 at 12:59 pm
Anil Bhai,
####THAT IS FUNNY THESE ARE FREE NATIONS IN THE WORLD ANY ONE IS FREE IN THESE COUNTRIES####
these guys dont know what is “FREE NATION”, according to guys like mir nazim and his ilk “FREE NATION” means they can go there and just freeily do islamic terrorism, they dont know that their arse gets whacked.
venkat
venkat
September 30, 2008 at 1:04 pm
Venkat,
>>according to guys like mir nazim
And this come from the educated KM
watch him here.
http://www.ikraftsoft.com/
btw he should not do work for INDIA/US companies as they are not islamic countries , he should help ISLAMIC states in there IT needs, may be al-quida/SIMI needs him
He does not make sense to me yes “innocuous tyro” talks rational which demands hearing/respect as a HUMAN
Peace
Vicky
September 30, 2008 at 1:13 pm
Agreed
venkat
September 30, 2008 at 1:23 pm
PEOPLE LIKE MIR NAZIM ..JUST UNDERSTAND THE WORD “ISLAM”
REST IS A WASTE FOR THESE PEOPLE..
THESE PEOPLE DON’T UNDERSTAND THT WE ALL ARE HUMAN BEINGS AND RESPECT FOR A HUMAN BEING IS THE BEST WAY TO RESPECT GOD..
BOWING BEFORE GOD AND THEN TO PLAN KILL PEOPLE …WHT KIND OF RELIGION IS THIS
ITS LIKE
” MUH MAIN RAM RAM AND BHAGAL MAIN CHURA”
IF REALLY WNT THAT PEOPLE SHOULD RESPECT UR RELIGION OR NOT UTTER BAD ABOUT RELIGION …TRY TO FIND OUT WHTS BAD AND THEN REMOVE ..EVERY THING CAN BE REFORMED LIKE WE DID .. WIDOW REMMARIAGE.. CHILD MARRIAGE .. DOWERY PROHIBITION.. MONOGAMY ..ETC ETC
BUT I KNOW IT IS USELESS … U PEOPLE WILL NEVER UNDERSTAND THE CONCEPT OF HUMANITY ..
IT NEEDS BRAIN AS WELL AS HEART ..
UNFORTUNATELY BOTH AR MISSING
pamposh
September 30, 2008 at 1:51 pm
@Koul Anil
######THANKS FOR THIS i WILL BE TOTALLY AGAINST HINDUS MAKING A BALTTLE GROUND OF KUREKSHETRA FOR MUSLIMS — I AM AGAINST VIOLENCE — AND AS A HINDU CAN SAY I WONT FOLLOW THE FIGHT PART OF MAHABARTABUT WILL NOT FOLLOW ANY OF IT — BUT I WILL STILL BE HINDU AND NO ONE NEED TO COME BEHIND MY BLOOD FOR THST—#####
If it suits you you take it , if it doesnt you evade it with elan. These are traits of a turncoat. They depict your fragile conviction and the confusion in you.
So what you think is right is right and what you think is incorrect is incorrect. Good for you but what if everyone follows this ideology. There would be no protocols and no fundamentals in humanity. What may be good for you may be bad for others and viceversa. A natural corollary would be to ask you Anil Koul what is the source of your belief. What made you believe what is good and what is bad? What is the touch stone of your faith or ideology? These are very basic questions and need to be mooted and pondered.
innocuous tyro
September 30, 2008 at 2:35 pm
@pamposh
#THESE PEOPLE DON’T UNDERSTAND THT WE ALL ARE HUMAN BEINGS AND RESPECT FOR A HUMAN BEING IS THE BEST WAY TO RESPECT GOD..
BOWING BEFORE GOD AND THEN TO PLAN KILL PEOPLE …WHT KIND OF RELIGION IS THIS##
It is immature and naive on your part to say this. You have a propensity to sprint your way to conclusions when you talk about Islam and muslims.
Your ideology is overhwelmingly enslaved in the stereotype of bias against islam . You cannot think out of the box. For you all muslims are derive pleasure in killing and always act inhuman.
You need to accentuate you banrupt coffer of knowledge and put some semblance in it.
Look at Islam not from the people who follow it but from it tenets. DOnt borrow knowledge based on “cut and paste” delve deep and try to fathom the real esence of any faith not just islam.
innocuous tyro
September 30, 2008 at 3:17 pm
@innocuous tyro
>>For you all muslims are derive pleasure in killing and >>always act inhuman.
Comeon don’t be immature and naive here, we have always said that *majority* of you are like that.
And when majority is like that you get bad name.
I don’t see anything wrong is bashing the ISLAM what its barbaric followers are following.
And KP’s are one of the victims of the barbaric islamic followers.
The origin of ISLAM is in arabs and the real followers of the ISLAM are in the east, it is from there where it had originated.So the arabs would be following the pure form of ISLAM, the one which reaches Kashmir/India is pirated
Peace
Vicky
September 30, 2008 at 3:42 pm
mr inno ..although i m not very intelligent person as u are ..but still i don’t believe in cut and paste ..
i write wht is in my tiny brain.. is this ok ..u may feel good after reading this
i don’t want to put rubbish in my brain ad whereever it seems to me i need some knowledge ..i can consult books .. so u nned not worry about my”banrupt coffer of knowledg”
better write ur comments and let me write wht i feel
i m not biased against ny one nor u people .. my comments were for humanity .. if u have problem with .. i can’t help .
better read it once more and try to find out wht tht means ..
moreover i feel u have some problem with me
pamposh
September 30, 2008 at 3:46 pm
moslems following islum are leeches in all the countries they live in …
they are like “parasites” feeding on their hosts … when they have had their fill … they attack the host … its what islum has taught them …
MOSLEMS ARE TERRORISTS …
chandra
September 30, 2008 at 3:57 pm
@moreover i feel u have some problem with me
rlof:)
relax kashir koor, I guess
Peace
Vicky
September 30, 2008 at 4:11 pm
If it suits you you take it , if it doesnt you evade it with elan. These are traits of a turncoat.
HERE U ARE TOTALLY WRONG — MY CONVICTIONS REPRESENT FREEDOM OF THOUGHT IN EVERY SENSE… I WILL NOT LEAD A LIFE WHERE MY RELIGIOUS BELIEFS TOTALLY CONTRADICT WITH BASIC UNDERSTANDING OF HUMANITY—- I WILL NOT ACCEPT ANY RELIGIOUS THOUGHT THAT WILL TELL ME I WILL BE IN HEAVEN FOR KILLING OTHERS—
They depict your fragile conviction and the confusion in you.
U SEEM TO BE WAY MORE CONFUSED TO ME THAN I AM ABOUT MY OWN FAITH — UR WAY OF ISLAMIC THINKING IS IN REAL FRAGILE STATE — TAKE CARE FRAGILE THINGS BREAK EASY
So what you think is right is right and what you think is incorrect is incorrect. Good for you but what if everyone follows this ideology.
YOU FOR SURE CANT ISLAM DOES NOT ALLOW THAT AT ALL OR AT ANY COST — IS THAT FREEDOM.
There would be no protocols and no fundamentals in humanity. What may be good for you may be bad for others and viceversa.
WHAT IS GOOD FOR ISLAM LIKE KILLING UNBELIEVERS OR EVEN THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD — CAN U AS A MUSLIM SAY WE WANT TO CHANGE ISLAM AND REMOVE THE WORDS AND VERSES THAT PROVOKE TERRORISM — I GUESS NO — AND IF LOVE AND PEACE IS GOOD FOR ME — IT IS POSSIBLE IT IS BAD FOR ISLAM — BUT THE LIFE AND HUMANITY IS BASED ON LOVE AND PEACE—
A natural corollary would be to ask you Anil Koul what is the source of your belief. What made you believe what is good and what is bad? What is the touch stone of your faith or ideology? These are very basic questions and need to be mooted and pondered.
MY HEART IS THE BASIS OF MY BELIEF — I LISTEN TO MY OWN CONSCIENCE — IT IS TOTALLY UNKNOWN CONCEPT IN MUSLIM WORLD BECAUSE ALL UR RELIGION IS ABOUT ALLAHS COMMAND AND FOLLOWING ALLAH.
ALLAH HAS NEVER GIVEN U FREEDOM TO EXPRESS UR OPINION ALLAH NEVER ASKS U DO WHAT YOU THINK ALL HE DOES IS COMMANDS AND ASKS U TO FOLLOW — ALLAH HAS TOTALLY TREATED MUSLIMS LIKE SHEEP THAT FOLLOW THE RUTHLESS LOOTER MUHAMMAD — SO WHERE IS FREEDOM IN ISLAM —
FREEDOM IS WHAT EACH MUSLIM WANTS BUT DOESNOT KNOW FREEDOM FROM WHAT — THEY THINK THE REASON FOR THERE MISERIES IS THE WORLD AROUND THEM — THE FACT IS THAT MUSLIMS NEED FREEDOM FROM ISLAM AND THE WORLD NEEDS FREEDOM FROM ISLAM TOO —
ANIL
Koul Anil
September 30, 2008 at 4:11 pm
@Vicky
#form of ISLAM, the one which reaches Kashmir/India is pirated ###
Pirated versions are ephemeral but 800 years is not short. so this simili of yours may not be appropriate.
@Pamposh
why should i have a problem with you, i also was just commenting. My advise to you was that when you comment about Islam and Muslim just cross your T’s and dot your I’s.
Nothing personal here , it is an open forum.
innocuous tyro
September 30, 2008 at 4:12 pm
@innocuous tyro
>> so this simili of yours may not be appropriate.
Yes I understand that you are not ruling this out, you are saying “may be” as you are not sure yourself.
I am sure about that there is difference in opinion about the understanding/interpretation of ISLAM among muslims in arabs and you.
The onset of militancy insurge those islamic ideologies in your mind and thus there were brutalities done to *KAFIRS* as per the islam of east. You were on jihad .
Just think calmly and then reply.
Peace
Vicky
September 30, 2008 at 4:22 pm
@Koul Anil
###MY HEART IS THE BASIS OF MY BELIEF — I LISTEN TO MY OWN CONSCIENCE — IT IS TOTALLY UNKNOWN CONCEPT IN MUSLIM WORLD BECAUSE ALL UR RELIGION IS ABOUT ALLAHS COMMAND AND FOLLOWING ALLAH.#######
Fair enough Anil Koul, now who gave you the heart which is your basis and who put the “soul” apparatus within you which makes your conscience.
Again your lame knowledge on Islam when you say it is totally unknown. Sixth sense is what connects a person with teh unknown and teh giver of that sense is …..Let me put it for you to fill the blank.
innocuous tyro
September 30, 2008 at 4:22 pm
PAMPOSH THAT WAS GREAT ANSWER AND TRUELY FROM HEART LET US SEE WHAT HE HAS WRITTEN FOR YOURSELF:
It is immature and naive on your part to say this. You have a propensity to sprint your way to conclusions when you talk about Islam and muslims.
I WOULD HAVE WISHED YOU OPPOSED UR BROTHER FARHAD DID U SEE HIS SENSE OF ISLAM — I PITY HIM BUT HE DOES REPRESENT MAJORITY OF MUSLIMS WORLD WIDE AND NOT THE PEOPLE OF UR CLAN WITH POLISHED ENGLISH — DID U SEE HOW FAST HE REACHED CONCLUSIONS OF KILLING ALL NON MUSLIMS — AND NOW IN WHAT WAS PAMPOSH IS WRONG IN PUTTING THE POINT ACROSS TO THAT KIND OF THINKING…
Your ideology is overhwelmingly enslaved in the stereotype of bias against islam . You cannot think out of the box. For you all muslims are derive pleasure in killing and always act inhuman.
HOW MANY MUSLIMS THINK OUT OF BOX– HAVE U SEEN PUBLIC DEMONSTRATIONS OF ISLAMIC GATHERINGS AFTER FRIDAY PRAYERS IN KASHMIR — DONT THEY ALL FOLLOW LIKE SHEEP — WITH THE SAME KIND OF ISLAMIC FUNDAMENTAL THINKING. WHAT IS WRONG IF FEW OF US OPENLY TALK ABOUT UR BELEIFS AND IDEOLOGIES — THAT TOO WHAT IS WRITTEN IN UR RELIGIOUS BOOKS—
You need to accentuate you banrupt coffer of knowledge and put some semblance in it.
Look at Islam not from the people who follow it but from it tenets. DOnt borrow knowledge based on “cut and paste” delve deep and try to fathom the real esence of any faith not just islam.
WE HAVE BEEN ASKING ALL OF U WHO HAVE CLAIMED ISLAM IS RELIGION OF PEACE TO PROVE TO US — BUT I SEE LACK OF KNOWLEDGE FROM MUSLIMS BUT EVERY VERSE THEY COATED BASED ON PEACE THE FULL MEANING OF VERSE WAS DIFFERENT OR THE ESSENCE WAS IN EARLIER OR LATER VERSE —- I HAVE GONE DIRECTLY TO UR BOOK OF ALLAH AND THAT WAS TRANSLATED BY YUSUF ALI — WHERE ELSE U WANT ME TO LOOK AT — TO FIND OUT HOW PEACE FUL UR RELIGION IS
CLICK ON MY NAME AND U WILL SEE VIDEOS DEPICTION HOW IS ISLAM A RELIGION OF PEACE — SOME OF U REFUTED SAYING THESE ARE FAKE VIDEOS — I DID NOTHING BUT LAUGHED AT THEIR IGNORANCE —-
LOVE AND PEACE
ANIL
Koul Anil
September 30, 2008 at 4:24 pm
Anil,
Are you aware of a single ISLAMIC country that is prosperous and self sufficient, the arabs without the oil are ZERO?
Peace
Vicky
September 30, 2008 at 4:32 pm
Fair enough Anil Koul, now who gave you the heart which is your basis and who put the “soul” apparatus within you which makes your conscience.
SURELY NOT UR ALLAH — IT IS UNKNOWN TODAY AND I AM SURE THERE IS SCIENTIFIC ANSWER FOR IT — HUMANS HAVE DONE GREAT SO FAR AS I UNDERSTAND IN DISCOVERING HUMAN MYSTERIES —
JUST BECAUSE HE PUT SOUL IN U — AND ASKED U TO KILL NON BELEIVERS — NOW IF UR ALLAH IS SO POWERFUL AND “GOD” WHY DOES HE NEED UR HELP TO KILL NON BELEIVERS –IT SHOULD BE EASY FOR HIM JUST TO TAKE OUT MY SOUL SO HIS MUSLIMS DONT SUFFER DUE TO US — BUT HE WILL MAKE U AS AN INSTRUMENT TO HUNT ME DOWN SO THAT U WILL KILL ME — ISNT THAT FUNNY
Again your lame knowledge on Islam when you say it is totally unknown.
SO PLEASE START QUOTING QURAN SO THAT WE CAN GET STILL BETTER KNOWLEDGE —
Sixth sense is what connects a person with teh unknown and teh giver of that sense is …..Let me put it for you to fill the blank.
YOU TALK LIKE AN HINDU SCHOLAR OF ATMA AND PARMATMA — NOT WHERE IS ALL THAT IN QURAN I WONDER….
ANIL
Koul Anil
September 30, 2008 at 4:33 pm
@Koul Anil
####WE HAVE BEEN ASKING ALL OF U WHO HAVE CLAIMED ISLAM IS RELIGION OF PEACE TO PROVE TO US — BUT I SEE LACK OF KNOWLEDGE FROM MUSLIMS BUT EVERY VERSE THEY COATED BASED ON PEACE THE FULL MEANING OF VERSE WAS DIFFERENT OR THE ESSENCE WAS IN EARLIER OR LATER VERSE #####
Well i knew this is how you would proceed. Although i never want to elborate on religion as it is a very sensitive issue but when you have asked let me add to your shallow knowledge .
Peace is intertwined in Islam.
The Treaty of Hudabiyah is the landmark in Islamic history. This is teh truce between teh prophet and the Christians where in the Prophet accepted each and every condition of the Christians to stop bloodshed.
The migration of the Prophet from Mecca to Medina is nothing but a step to peace . He knew people in Mecca were lurking to kill him and if that would have happened it would mean more bloodshed so he migrated for peace
People In Arab use to rebuke the prophet , they used to call him words and try everything to instigate him but he never retaliated. There is not a single authentic proof that the prophet killed or raped any one but the AliSina follower you are you would get a plethora of bogus hadith to refute my point.
Whatever verses you hae been quoting and you construe them as messages of death for non believers , they are out of context. You forget the innumerable verses of peace in teh Quran. You forget that Islam says in Surah Kafiroon( Non believers) that “there is no compulsion in religion”
Quran never addresses peope as “O Muslims” but always as “O humans” “O believers”
After reading this you would come out with the most favourite question of yours and people like you “WHy did teh Prophet marry a 6 year old”
FOr you marriage might be just a means to satisfy libido but for him it was a mission, it was to treat her as a disciple and it was to give dignity to women .
It is futile to talk about religion because of the pre conceived notions about Islam and the accelerator proided by teh sites like faithfreedom.
Read Quran translation is conjuction with the history and that too from authentic sources. Read the history of Prophets andthe lifestyle of teh Prophet to come with a more balanced view
innocuous tyro
September 30, 2008 at 4:43 pm
MR TRYO .. U R NOBODY TO TELL ME WHT I HAVE TO DO..
ND IF IN REAL SENCE U WNT TO PROVE THAT U ARE REALLY VERY INTELLIGENT THEN PLEASE DO ONE THING …
PROVE THAT UR RELIGION IS PEACEFUL??
PROVE THT THE KILLINGS IN WORLD ARE NOT BECAUSE OF UR RELIGION?
PROVE THAT WE PEOPLE WERE NOT VICTIMS OF ISLAM FRM CENTURIES?
PROVE THAT UR ISAM IS THE BEST AND HAS NOTHING WRONG?
PROVE ALL THIS??
AS WE ALL ARE EMPTY BRAINS..
MIND THIS I HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH RELIGION …BUT I M CONCERN WITH HUMANITY
pamposh
September 30, 2008 at 4:48 pm
VICKY the islamic countries are least bothered about prosperty .. they will beg in front of w b and then utilise the same money in destroying peace of other countries ..
pamposh
September 30, 2008 at 4:52 pm
@innocuous tyro
>>it was to treat her as a disciple and it was to give >>dignity to women .
You can give dignity to child by adopting her as daughter/sister.
I think there are various logics which will go against it and many counters.
We should have videos/internet when ISLAM started
Peace
Vicky
September 30, 2008 at 4:54 pm
@Koul Anil
####SURELY NOT UR ALLAH — IT IS UNKNOWN TODAY AND I AM SURE THERE IS SCIENTIFIC ANSWER FOR IT — HUMANS HAVE DONE GREAT SO FAR AS I UNDERSTAND IN DISCOVERING HUMAN MYSTERIES — ######
You are contradicting yourself , on one hand you say surely not Allah and on the other hand you say it is unknown.
For the sake of argument let us believe it is unknown so that means may be may be it might be created by Allah. Do you agree i say just may be.
###NOW IF UR ALLAH IS SO POWERFUL AND “GOD” WHY DOES HE NEED UR HELP TO KILL NON BELEIVERS –IT SHOULD BE EASY FOR HIM JUST TO TAKE OUT MY SOUL SO HIS MUSLIMS DONT SUFFER DUE TO US —#####
This is a new chapter in the debate , for this we need to understand teh concept of God in various faiths. Then we need to know what God can do and what he cannot.
God doesnt do anything on its own , He gives light by the Sun, he gives water through rain, he gives air through the Trees , he gives sight through the eyes, He gives stability to the earth by the mountains, he gives various seasons by the earths revolution, he takes life though angels ( Yamraj or Izraheel or malkinmout) etc.
It is like a CEO of a company , does the CEO do everything all by himself …the answer is a big NO , he just directs his deputies to do whatever he wants.
####SO PLEASE START QUOTING QURAN SO THAT WE CAN GET STILL BETTER KNOWLEDGE —####
This implies you have not read the whole Quran!!!! but you keep on harpiong on its anti human verses. I wont quote any verse , i would leave it to you to read the whole Quran and then come out with the verses on sixth sense and consiousness from the Quran. You would be upset to know Ali Sina also does not quote these verses of the Quran. How could he , otherwise people like you would never be attracted to him or his website.
innocuous tyro
September 30, 2008 at 5:04 pm
well i think every1 knows hw womens are treated in islam..
and to do something for the dignity of women …sounds funny ..
look hw womens get respect in islam
1. her husband can have 3 more wives tht 2 legally
2. divorse is given by uttering just three words
3. a women can’t give divorse ..
4. she has to produce 4 witnesses if ever she was raped ..
and much more..
pamposh
September 30, 2008 at 5:09 pm
>>This implies you have not read the whole Quran!!!! but you keep on harpiong on its anti human verses. I wont quote any verse ,
THIS MEANS THAT YES … QURAN CONTAINS SOME ANTI HUMAN VERSES… U ARE ADMITTING .
HW CAN A RELIGIOUS TEXT CONTAIN ANTI HUMAN VERSES..
pamposh
September 30, 2008 at 5:14 pm
@Vicky
###You can give dignity to child by adopting her as daughter/sister.
I think there are various logics which will go against it and many counters.####
By the same argument why cant you believe that dignity cannot be given by treating her as a wife.
Now
Aisha’s parents were the ones who married her to our Prophet, and that no Muslim or even pagan objected to the marriage because it was widely practiced. And even until today in 3rd world countries (Muslims and non-Muslims), little girls as young as 9 or 10 do get married. Anyway, the reason no one objected was to the Prophet’s marriage was:
People used to have very short life-spans in Arabia. They used to live between 40 to 60 years maximum. So it was only normal and natural for girls to be married off at ages 9 or 10 or similar.
Marriage for young girls was widely practiced among Arabs back then, and even today in many third-world non-Muslim and Muslim countries
Joseph, Mary’s husband, was “90 years old” when he married 12 to 14-year old Mary! Was he too a pedophile?
there are are abundant arguments more which support this union but i think i should stop here and leave it for you to ponder.
innocuous tyro
September 30, 2008 at 5:20 pm
mr tryo marrying a 6 yr old child is no dignity … wht it is called …i think u know better
pamposh
September 30, 2008 at 5:22 pm
>>>People used to have very short life-spans in Arabia. They used to live between 40 to 60 years maximum. So it was only normal and natural for girls to be married off at ages 9 or 10 or similar.
I WONDER HOW THIS WAS NORMAL AND EVEN NATURAL….
pamposh
September 30, 2008 at 5:29 pm
@pamposh
Anti humn verse which you referred to is out of context. Doesnt Bhagvad Gita contain teh verse where Lord Krishna says to Arjun “KIll those not with truth” shall i construe that Bhagvad Gita contains verses of killing.???? No it owuld be out of context.
So again your conclusion is wrong as expected.
Divorce is a vast subject which would require a lot of inputs that make the ground for makimg you embark on this subject,
Agian your knowledge about divorce is borrowed , let me correct you , A woman can give divorce to her husband .. Three words cannot be construed as divorce … You seem to have watched nikah umpteen nuimber of times.
See how you treated your gender in islam by easily using the word “RAPE”, by saying she needs witnesses if raped. Again wrong , She needs to tell that she was molested and law takes its course and the punishment for a rapist is “stone to death” .
So please grow up and update your knowledge.
Polygamy is allowed but then it is just an exception not the norm . Again an issue which needs lot of domain knowledge to understand , peripheral knowledge is dangerous and much more
innocuous tyro
September 30, 2008 at 5:31 pm
All your arguments are based on illogic(kutarka, as in sanskrit), Looks like there no point in discussing/arguing with you guys.
Mir Nazim
September 30, 2008 at 5:37 pm
@innocuous tyro
>>there are are abundant arguments more which support >>this union but i think i should stop here and leave it >>for you to ponder.
Agreed, there are certain things which are beyond human comprehension so we leave it here.
You won’t trust but I am eagerly waiting for a one muslim in 1.6 billion to prove these wrong
1) thefaithfreedom.com
2) thereligionofpeace.com
3) jihadwatch.org
There is no reason also that I should not believe these sources.I am not the right person to talk about by religion.
I go by logics and human instinct and all the evidences which I see go against islam right now. Moreover when I see people like Farhad/Mir there thinking cements my believe.
Killing are on both sides in valley but the blame always goes to one who started and it were KM’s.
Can we leave our religion and just be humans?
We have enough of hatred and it would take time to get over.
I still have hate for you guys( exceptions always)
Peace
Vicky
September 30, 2008 at 5:44 pm
WOMEN CAN GET DIVORSE ONLY BY MUTUAL CONSENT OR IF SHE IS ABLE TO PROVE THT HER HUSBAND IS NOT MAINTANING HER PROPERLY ..THT ALSO WHEN HE MARRIED 2ND ONE
2NDLY MUSLIMS CAN DIVOS\RSE THIS WAY
THIRDLY WHY IS IT IMPO TO GET 4 MALE WITNESSES .. BYTHE WAY IT ISNEXT TO IMPOSSIBLE TO GET 4 MALE WITNESSES AND STONE TO DEATH WILL HARDLY BE PRATICED
POLYGAMY IS ALLOWED ..THT PROVES MY POINT THAT WHT IS POSITION OF WOMEN ..
BETTER U CLEAR UR FACTS
I KNOW
pamposh
September 30, 2008 at 5:47 pm
@Mir
>>All your arguments are based on illogic
Oh really ….
Looks like you believe in the fact that
“Without God’s will not a single leaf will move”
Vicky
September 30, 2008 at 5:49 pm
i think u forgot the case in south india ..where a husband uttered 3 words talaq3 when he was intoxicted ..and next day he fellt sorry for wht he did ..but that was too late …
pamposh
September 30, 2008 at 5:53 pm
tryo go and check muslim law.. hope u ll b able to understand something
pamposh
September 30, 2008 at 5:55 pm
and u mr mir .. ur arguments are full of logic while mine lack …
pamposh
September 30, 2008 at 5:58 pm
@pamposh
interesting and informative
http://taslimanasrin.com/index2.html
Vicky
September 30, 2008 at 6:22 pm
Well i knew this is how you would proceed. Although i never want to elborate on religion as it is a very sensitive issue but when you have asked let me add to your shallow knowledge .
Peace is intertwined in Islam.
IS IT INTERTWINED OR IS IS TOTALLY DWINDLED IN ISLAM??
The Treaty of Hudabiyah is the landmark in Islamic history. This is teh truce between teh prophet and the Christians where in the Prophet accepted each and every condition of the Christians to stop bloodshed.
ABOUT TREATY
—————————-
PER QURAN:
At-Tauba
9:4 (But the treaties are) not dissolved with those Pagans with whom ye have entered into alliance and who have not subsequently failed you in aught, nor aided any one against you. So fulfil your engagements with them to the end of their term: for Allah loveth the righteous.
At-Tauba
9:5 But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.
At-Tauba
9:6 If one amongst the Pagans ask thee for asylum, grant it to him, so that he may hear the word of Allah. and then escort him to where he can be secure. That is because they are men without knowledge.
———————————–
ABOVE THREE ARE THE VERSES RELATED TO TREATY THAT U CALL STOPPING OF BLOOD SHED:
ALI SINA SAYS:
—————————————
Bara’at means deliverance. In the year seven of Hijra Muhammad had signed a peace treaty with the Meccans, a few miles away from that town, in a place called Hudaibiyah. The treaty stated that for 10 years Muslims would leave the Quraish and their caravans unscathed and would not harass them by waylaying their caravans and plundering their properties. In exchange the Quraish would allow the Muslims to perform Hajj starting from the subsequent year.
After signing that accord, Muhammad concentrated on the North and raided the Northern populations of Arabia , starting with Khaibar, which was a prosperous Jewish town and then subdued many other smaller populations, casting terror in the hearts of the majority of the Arabs.
Only two years after the treaty of Hudaibiyah he felt strong enough to attack Mecca and was able to gather 10,000 men to accompany him in the expedition. (At Hudaibiyah he had only 1500 men). Not all those who accompanied him were Muslims. But he was an emerging tyrant and some of the tribes feared that refusing his demand would anger him and they too could become his subsequent victims. In other words they tried to stay out of his harm by appeasing him. Among them were the two big tribes of Sulaim and Tamim. To sweeten the deal Muhammad offered them a share of the booty. Carrot and stick are the preferred tools of narcissists.
But Muhammad had signed a treaty with the Meccans. How could he get around it? Not that the treaty itself was any deterrent, what Muhammad needed was an excuse to justify his treachery. The solution to all Muhammad’s problems was Allah and in this case also it was Allah who gave him deliverance.
————————————-
The migration of the Prophet from Mecca to Medina is nothing but a step to peace . He knew people in Mecca were lurking to kill him and if that would have happened it would mean more bloodshed so he migrated for peace
People In Arab use to rebuke the prophet , they used to call him words and try everything to instigate him but he never retaliated.
THIS WAS A STEP TO PEACE — FACT IS AFTER THIS HE LOST TOTAL CONTROL OF HIMSELF AND THEN LAID AMBUSHES FOR THE MECCANS AND KILLED THEM — YOU NEED TO REALLY UNDERSTAND THE BOOKS — RATHER THERE WAS LITTLE PEACE IN QURANIC VERSES THAT WERE REVEALED IN MECCA AND IN MADINA ALL VERSES HAD NOTHING BUT VIOLENCE — THINK UR SELF
There is not a single authentic proof that the prophet killed or raped any one but the AliSina follower you are you would get a plethora of bogus hadith to refute my point.
LIFE OF MUHAMMAD IS DEFINED BY HADIT WELL U ARE SAYING THAT IS BOGUS — QURAN I TEND TO QUOTE ONLY BAD ONES AND NOW WHAT CAN I SAY TO AN ENLIGHTNED SOUL LIKE URS—-
Whatever verses you hae been quoting and you construe them as messages of death for non believers , they are out of context. You forget the innumerable verses of peace in teh Quran. You forget that Islam says in Surah Kafiroon( Non believers) that “there is no compulsion in religion”
I CONVEY EARLIER AND LATER VERSE AS WELL — WHEN U SAY OUT OF CONTEXT ISNT THAT WE NEED TO USE HADIT TO UNDERSTAND QURAN BECAUSE QURAN IS NOT REALLY ORGANISED BOOK — IT IS ALL ARRANGED BASED ON SIZE OF VERSES RATHER THAN THE TIME THEY WERE REVEALED??? I WONDERED UR ALLAH MADE IT SO COMPLICATED TO U –
Quran never addresses peope as “O Muslims” but always as “O humans” “O believers”
IT ADRESSES AS BELEIVERS THOSE ARE MUSLIMS TODAY AND NON BELEIVERS EVERY ONE WHO DOES NOT BELEIVE IN MUHAMMAD—
After reading this you would come out with the most favourite question of yours and people like you “WHy did teh Prophet marry a 6 year old”
FOr you marriage might be just a means to satisfy libido but for him it was a mission, it was to treat her as a disciple and it was to give dignity to women .
DO U KNOW ACCORDING TO AYESHA IN THE HADITH HOW MANY TIMES MUHAMMAD HAD SEX IN A DAY — LIBIDO SOMEONE ELSE — HE EVEN HAD SEX WITH SERVENTS OF HIS WIFE — AS A PERFECT MAN ACCORDING TO ALLAH HE COULD HAVE LIVED BETTER LIFE — 53 YEAR OLD MARRYING 6 YRS OLD — PLEASE WHOSE LIFE WAS SHORT IN THOSE DAYS MUHAMMADS OR AYESHAS — WHAT A DIFFERENCE IN AGE — PLEASE
It is futile to talk about religion because of the pre conceived notions about Islam and the accelerator proided by teh sites like faithfreedom.
Read Quran translation is conjuction with the history and that too from authentic sources. Read the history of Prophets andthe lifestyle of teh Prophet to come with a more balanced view
I READ QURAN AND HADITH COULD NOT FIND ANY THING GREAT SO PLEASE REFER THESE IMAGINARY BOOKS LET US SEE — ALL I AM HOPING IS THEY ARE AUTHENTIC NOT TOTAL MIS INTERPRETATION OF QURAN AND HADITH—-
ANIL
Koul Anil
September 30, 2008 at 8:19 pm
Descibes the congi party and other pseudo seculars … but the time is coming … i hope the voters of this great country are not found wanting …
Said by Taslima Nasreen ….
Unfortunately in India, if one is to be secular one must be a little pro-Muslim or pro-Islam. One must not talk anything against Muslim fundamentalists even if they issue fatwas against women or writers and set a price on their head. A ‘secular Indian’ must not talk against a Muslim, because Muslims are a minority in that country and because a minority could be oppressed by the majority community, so all Muslims should be defended whatever their crime. If Muslim fundamentalists demand Muslim laws that are definitely anti-women, secular Indians appear to appreciate it in the name of multiculturalism or in the name of defending Muslims. Such hypocrisy is mind-boggling.
Hope we will bring in BJP this time …
not a solution to all our troubles …
but its the first step …
chandra
September 30, 2008 at 8:27 pm
@pamposh
>> TRY TO FIND OUT WHTS BAD AND THEN REMOVE
>> ..EVERY THING CAN BE REFORMED LIKE WE DID
>> .. WIDOW REMMARIAGE. CHILD MARRIAGE
>> .. DOWERY PROHIBITION. MONOGAMY
>> ..ETC ETC
Really. May I ask when did these reforms take place. only after coming of British Rule and under English influence.
Moreover this happened only in recent history may be in last 50 – 150 years.
Islam has banned such crimes 1400 years ago,
EXCEPT for Child Marriage and Polygamy.
I have two questions.
1) Child Marriage is bad for health of girls(not for all, but some) This has been proven medically for quite some time now.
So why does not U.s ban the child marriages, if it is medically so bad?? Or do you claim that you know and understand medical sciences better than Americans?
2) Did you forget, how many wives did Lord Krishna had? 16,801!!!!!.
What was his favorite pastime. Stealing clothes of nude, bathing girls(I know this one from TV serials)
Now what do you have say about your Lord Krishna “The Vishnu Avatar”.
Your answers to these questions are very important, not just for me but you as well and for everyone reading this thread.
Mir Nazim
September 30, 2008 at 9:03 pm
@Anil
What!!!
Treaty of Hudaibiya was between Muslims and Christians!!!!
You said:
>> Read Quran translation is conjuction
>> with the history and that too
>> from authentic sources.
Hmmmm. Good point. I can see your authenticity of your sources all over the comments.
Mir Nazim
September 30, 2008 at 9:15 pm
Good night guys. See you tomorrow. After we have “A Great Eid Time”.
Mir Nazim
September 30, 2008 at 9:43 pm
You are contradicting yourself , on one hand you say surely not Allah and on the other hand you say it is unknown.
YOU ARE TRYING TO CATCH MY CONTRADICTIONS WHAT ABOUT SO MANY CONTRADICTIONS IN QURAN BE IT GRAMATIC OR EVEN FACTUAL OR MANY MORE —
For the sake of argument let us believe it is unknown so that means may be may be it might be created by Allah. Do you agree i say just may be.
FOR SURE I SAY NO — UNLESS U PROVE TO ME THEORITICALLY — HOW WE HAVE LOGICAL EXPLANATION HOW BITS AND BYTES WORK AND HOW TRANSFER OF DATA TAKES PLACE BETWEEN TWO PARTS OF WORLD AND THAT WAY — NOW WHAT HAS UR GOD TOLD U AFOUT FUTURE GENERATIONS — OR DOES MUSALMAN HAVE TO GET STUCK WITH 7 STONES TO WIPE REAR END FOR EVER??? AND MAKE SURE U BLOW UR NOSE SATAN IS LIVING THERE AND IN THE MORNING U NEED TO BLOW ALSO DO UR NIMAZ IN THE MORNING OR ELSE SATAN WILL PEE IN UR EAR —
COME ON ACCORDING TO U WE ARE STILL BACKWARD PEOPLE TILL BE ESTABLISH THAT IT IS SATAN IN UR NOSE AND NOT BOGERS —
###NOW IF UR ALLAH IS SO POWERFUL AND “GOD” WHY DOES HE NEED UR HELP TO KILL NON BELEIVERS –IT SHOULD BE EASY FOR HIM JUST TO TAKE OUT MY SOUL SO HIS MUSLIMS DONT SUFFER DUE TO US —#####
This is a new chapter in the debate , for this we need to understand teh concept of God in various faiths. Then we need to know what God can do and what he cannot.
UR GOD HAS LIMITATIONS TOO WOW THAT IS NICE TO KNOW
God doesnt do anything on its own , He gives light by the Sun, he gives water through rain, he gives air through the Trees , he gives sight through the eyes, He gives stability to the earth by the mountains, he gives various seasons by the earths revolution, he takes life though angels ( Yamraj or Izraheel or malkinmout) etc.
THERE IS NOTHING CALLED THE REACTION HAPPENING ON STARS AND SUN INCLUDED “SCIENTISTS ARE FOOLS THEY NEED TO READ ISLAM???”— DONT BELEIVE IN THE WATER CYCLE THAT IS TAUGHT BASED ON SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE — WOW AMAZING SO UR GOD DOES A LOTS OF WORK — GIVE THAT LIFE PART BREAK — THERE IS NO PROOF — THERE ARE SOME THEORIES ON GHOSTS BUT NEVER HEARD OF JIN THEORY — THERE IS THEORY AND SOME NON AUTHENTIC PROOFS THAT SAY AND TALK ABOUT REINCARNATION “REMEMBER DALAI LAMA”— BUT ISLAM NEGATES IT — U WILL GO TO HEAVEN IF U ARE MUSLIM REST ALL TO HELL — COOL THEORY BUT THAT IS BASE LESS AND PROOF LESS —- IT IS LIKE OUR ANCIENTS PRAYING TO RAIN GOD FOR RAIN — SINCE THEY DIDNOT UNDERSTAND WATER CYCLE — NOW WE DEPEND ON THE WEATHER FORECAST — SO LET US ALL GROW UP — THIS IS 21ST CENTURY WHY LIVE LIFE LIKE U ARE IN 7 TH CENTURY—-
It is like a CEO of a company , does the CEO do everything all by himself …the answer is a big NO , he just directs his deputies to do whatever he wants.
SO UR GOD WAORKS LIKE THE COMPANY ON EARTH DID HUMANS COPY HIS MODEL OR DID HE COPY OUR MODEL
####SO PLEASE START QUOTING QURAN SO THAT WE CAN GET STILL BETTER KNOWLEDGE —####
This implies you have not read the whole Quran!!!! but you keep on harpiong on its anti human verses. I wont quote any verse , i would leave it to you to read the whole Quran and then come out with the verses on sixth sense and consiousness from the Quran. You would be upset to know Ali Sina also does not quote these verses of the Quran. How could he , otherwise people like you would never be attracted to him or his website.
WOW THAT IS COOL AND CLEAVER WAY OF AVOIDING TO PROVE UR BASELESS STATEMENTS??? IF U KNEW WHAT TO QUOTE TRUST ME U FOR THAT MATTER ANY MUSLIM WOULD HAVE QUOTED—-
ANIL
Koul Anil
October 1, 2008 at 12:07 am
Great. How beautifully have you guys avoided answers to my question again.
You can criticize Muhammad, but you cannot criticize Krishna for the same act.
Mir Nazim
October 1, 2008 at 2:16 am
mir nazim….. i don’t know how to start
whtever may be the reason tht hindus reformed their laws ..either britishers or wtevr ..but tell me why ur laws r totally as they were hundrds yrs back..
this proves tht if somebody tried to reform our laws .. he was able ..but in ur case unfortunately he turns out to be abig looser
i really don’t know if such thing happen in us..but tell me if ur neighbour will commit suicide ..will u run after him and do the same
by the way there are certain things tht are allowed in US and banned in india.. do u want me to state those ..
2ndly i told u and m again repeating whtever loop holes were in our system we removed them .. either it is polygamy or whtever but in ur syatem is same ..
pamposh
October 1, 2008 at 2:47 am
Mir,
>>but you cannot criticize Krishna for the same act.
Yes Krisha seems to be flirty as per my analysis too but not the rapist etc ….
What is indifferent from Muhammad that I read from various sources that he had slept with Aisha when he was 54 and the kid was 9.
btw, you never replied to my questions
“Do you believe that without God’s will nothing can work, not a single leave will move”
Peace
Vicky
October 1, 2008 at 2:50 am
@vicky and pamposh
Your careful selection of words to avoid the topic in most immaculate way has answered my questions.
>> Do you believe that without God’s
>> will nothing can work, not a single
>> leave will move”
This is among integral parts of Islam and every Muslims lives by it. Of course I stated it most of the simplified manner, while this particular thing has lot of other thoughts attached to it all of which are not true, but as a general rule, yes you are correct.
Mir Nazim
October 1, 2008 at 4:45 am
Really. May I ask when did these reforms take place. only after coming of British Rule and under English influence. Moreover this happened only in recent history may be in last 50 – 150 years.
HINDUISM IS A WAY OF LIFE AND NOT A HARD CORE FUNDAMENTALIST RELIGION AS MUSLIMS POTRAY IT. HINDUISM IS THE MOTHER OF MANY RELIGIONS AND WE FEEL PROUD OF THAT. ISLAM COULD NOT EVEN TOLERAT BAHA’I FAITH THAT WAS SPREAD MY MUSLIMS WHO LEFT ISLAM. IF HINDUISM WAS THAT STRICT WOULD IT HAVE ALLOWED BUDDHISM JAINISM OR SIKHISM TO START. HINDU CAN BE A IDOL WORSHIPER SAKARI OR NIRAKARI. HINDUISM HAS PLACE FOR ATHEIST AND STAUNCH BELEIVER. AND THAT IS NOT 50-150 YEARS OLD THAT IS VERY MUCH BEFORE EVEN ALLAH EXISTED IN THE MIND OF MUHAMMAD.
Islam has banned such crimes 1400 years ago,
EXCEPT for Child Marriage and Polygamy.
OUR RELIGION HAS EVOLVED BY GREAT THINKERS AND IT IS NOT A RIGID LIKE ISLAM.
I have two questions.
ASK MORE WE WILL ANSWER YOU FOR SURE…
1) Child Marriage is bad for health of girls(not for all, but some) This has been proven medically for quite some time now.
So why does not U.s ban the child marriages, if it is medically so bad?? Or do you claim that you know and understand medical sciences better than Americans?
WHO SAID THERE ARE CHILD MARRIAGES IN USA BETWEEN 54 YEARS OLD MAN AND 9 YEAR OLD GIRL — HE WILL SPEND REST OF HIS DARN LIFE IN PRISON … GET UR FACTS RIGHT —
AND LOOKS LIKE U ARE A GREAT BELEIVER AND SUPPORT CHILD MARRIAGE — IN THAT CASE IT SHOULD BE OK FOR U TO MARRY UR 9 YEAR OLD SISTER OR DAUGHTER TO 54 YEAR OLD MAN —-
THIS IS NOT PERSONNEL ATTACK ON YOU, I AM FEELING MORE HURT TYPING THIS — BUT IT IS UR FAITH SO HAD TO WRIGHT–
2) Did you forget, how many wives did Lord Krishna had? 16,801!!!!!.
NO WE DID NOT FORGET THAT — THAT WAS THE REASON I HAVE TOLD U MANY TIMES GOD GAVE US INTELLECT TO DIFFERENTIATE AND WE USE IT BASED ON THE AGE WE LIVE IN — THIS IS 21ST CENTURY NOT 7TH CENTURY — SO GROW UP
What was his favorite pastime. Stealing clothes of nude, bathing girls(I know this one from TV serials)
Now what do you have say about your Lord Krishna “The Vishnu Avatar”.
AS I SAID GOD IS CONCEPT AND THAT EXISTS IN THE IMAGINATION OF HUMAN MIND — THAT IS MY THEORY AND U CAN HAVE YOURS —
Your answers to these questions are very important, not just for me but you as well and for everyone reading this thread.
SO MANY IMPORTANT QUESTIONS U LEFT WITHOUT EVEN DEFENDING ISLAM OR MUHAMMAD AND NOW HOW DID THESE QUESTIONS BECOME SO IMPORTANT —
LOVE AND PEACE
ANIL
KOUL ANIL
October 1, 2008 at 4:50 am
Mir,
>>Your careful selection of words to avoid the topic in >>most immaculate way has answered my questions.
Stop bullshitting, I have been blunt and not playing with words which you guys seem to do.
I don’t even see pamposh had been playing with words.
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This is among integral parts of Islam and every Muslims lives by it. Of course I stated it most of the simplified manner, while this particular thing has lot of other thoughts attached to it all of which are not true, but as a general rule, yes you are correct.
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This is called playing with words, the answer to my question would have been given in few words YES/NO, I am not interested to hear the religious manipulative explanations.
Well your reply to my question is affirmative and so as per that logic if a leaf could not move without the creators will then it is he who is making all of us to behave like that.
It is your GOD who is making you to ask for ISALMIC state in valley and it is your *GOD* who is making indian army to act like that.
So it is God’s will and let us not crib about it.
It is your GOD who had created me and you and it is your GOD who is controlling us so everything is legitimate and going as per his wish.
So let us leave it to him and bypass all the logics
Peace
Vicky
October 1, 2008 at 5:11 am
mr mir no body here is avoiding ur questions .. even i think we all answered ur all question
i saw u people doing this
like i said about the satus of women in islam.. i gave xamples of polygamy or ny other ..but u know how u guys interpret it … polygamy is an exception, not a norm.. here i was writing about status ..nd if it is allowed in islam(hardly matters hw many prtice it) tht itself proves my point …
2nd one hw u interpret
i wrote 4 male witnesses are required to prove rape..that is called” hudud” .. u interpreted it this way
“See how you treated your gender in islam by easily using the word “RAPE”, by saying she needs witnesses if raped. Again wrong , She needs to tell that she was molested and law takes its course and the punishment for a rapist is “stone to death” .
this is hw u people play with words
pamposh
October 1, 2008 at 5:40 am
MIR
Since I am a student of art history let me try and answer your question as logically as possible.
Vishnu has ten avtars – Matsya, Kurma, Varaha, Narashima, Vaman, Parasuram, Purushottam Ram, Balaram, Krishna and Kalki.
Each had a role and definition. Krishna (whether he existed or not) was a complete Avatar of Vishnu so often considered as an independent God. His objective was lila in this world. To take devotees to the path of devotion – total devotion!!! Whether fully clothed or not. If you study Krishna-tradition, the sexual acts are described in the union of atma-with-parmatma. It is completely on a philosophical level. I am sure he did not have time to sleep with all 16801!!! And imagine grand marriages with all!!! He would have spent all his life getting married and then have suhaag-raat and next day another marriage!!!
And he stole clothes when he was still a child. If you believe in GOD or if he exist then have you given it a thought that he can see you and I even when we are naked!! Are you ashamed of it? But now bring one of these accused babas like Ram Rahim, his sexual act will not be that of an union!!!
I do not believe in God and I tried to answer to your question as rationally as possible. Secondly, if you watch Prithvi Raj Chauhan, you would want to believe Samyunkta story, where as it is now accepted by historians that Chand Bardai was not contemporary to Prithvi Raj Chauhan and there was no Samyunkta in the first place. In fact all the 13 queens of Prithvi either existed 800 years before him or were complete fictions.
I am not supporting the ones here who have accused your religion, but I thought I must answer to the question raised about my religion.
nilanjana
October 1, 2008 at 11:17 am
Everyone!!!
I thought I must answer to MIR. I have not read everything here. But it is true that media is not reporting the Jammu side of the story and have focussed on proving that Jammuites are the real culprits.
It is true when PARVEZ said above that Indian government is ready to sacrifice Jammu for Kashmir!!!
Over the land grant issue a lot of negative reporting has happened. It is sad indeed.
I do not understand why did Congress in the first place decided to give that piece? Kashmiris protested. Then Congress took it back even after Nabi told them not to?
It is then that Jammuites started protesting. And it is at this point that BJP started to support them. I do not understand, Kashmiris getting support from all the separatists and Congress and the Omars was fine. But BJP supporting KPs was communal?
JAMMUITES (KPs, Muslims, Sikhs, Buddhists..) put more pressure on government else you will be a lost case in the appeasement policy of CONGRESS if they are re-elected.
nilanjana
October 1, 2008 at 11:24 am
What I meant was, why did CONGRESS not stand to its position in first place – land diya to diya aur wapas liya to liya. Appeasement ke chakkar main J&K ko aaj yahan par la khara kiya hai.
nilanjana
October 1, 2008 at 11:30 am
oh … i cannot imagine another congi government and another “puppet” pm controlled by the italian mafia …