The Kashmir

August 24, 2008

Mosque at ‘Amarnath’- Baltal Land ?

While as the Kashmiri terrorists & separatists groups like Hurriyat ,JKLF & PDP tried their best to ensure that the facilities of Hindu pilgrims should be stopped,at the same time they had been fairly successful in propagating false “Kashmiriat” . The fact remains that the word Kashmiriat was always used to hide the oppression and religious persecution which had been carried on for more than 1000 years against peaceful hindus in Kashmir.

While as Jammu has been shutdown now for 60 days, the inactive Govt has almost turned deaf ears and blind to people of Jammu,who have been treated as second class citizens in the state of Jammu & Kashmir.

The whole agitation would probably take a dramatic turn, as it has now come to notice that the land for Hindu pilgrims in Baltal is now being used to construct a Mosque,Jama Masjid. Not only is it a proof of the real intent of Kashmiri Muslim which tried to boast of being “good host” to Amarnath Pilgrims , but proves the intolerance towards Hindus in Kashmir.

Mosque being built at controversial site in Baltal. It reads "Jama Masjid-Baltal"

Mosque being built at controversial site in Baltal. It reads Jama Masjid -Baltal : Courtsey : The Shadow

 This brilliant piece of Expose has been done by The Shadow ( www.dailyshadow.in )

As i had been tipped off my friend around 7-10 days back, that Omar Abdullah would be more of a separatist leader than a pro India leader once he comes back from Pakistan. I was told by my contact, who wishes to remain anonymous , that Omar had even given some strong statements which would be of big discomfort to India , in an interview on PTV. Though i tried very hard to get the video of that interview, i could not. If someone has, pls share it with rest of us. 

On his return from Pakistan [ read : terrorist country ] , Mr Omar Abdullah said the following in a TV Interview :-

 

If opinion makers across the country are talking about Azadi, let’s bring it on the table. Let’s go the whole hog then and talk about the Azadi of the entire state of Jammu and Kashmir. Let’s talk about the UN resolutions….If that is the way forward, let us not shy away from it. I know which way I am gonna turn.

 

Meanwhile In Kashmir ,the Hawkish Syed Ali Geelani wanted Islamic governance in the whole state of Jammu & Kashmir. In an interview to Asha Khosa he said

Ever since my release from prison on August 7, 2004, I have been spreading my message across Kashmir. I have a target. Fi st is to impose an Islamic nizam (jurisprudence) in Kashmir. Islam should govern our lives, be it in our political thought, socio-economic plans, culture or the ongoing movement. The creed of socialism and secularism should not touch our lives and we must be totally governed by the Koran and the Sunnat (precedents from Prophet Mohammad’s life). Secondly, I have been propagating that we must fight against anti-Islamic forces. These forces come in our way under the garb of nationalists, secularists, racists, linguistic chauvinists, and so on. 

No matter how much Indian Government pampers the people of Kashmir, it is hight time that India stops being a soft state.

Between 1990 and 2002 , the central Government gave Rs 35,571 crores in grant to the J&K government, which got doubled in next five years ie between 2003-2008 , the J&K Government got Rs 38,516 crores.

While as in 2007-2008 J&K Government contributed Rs 533 crores to the central govrnment in taxes, it received Rs 1471 crores in return and an additional Rs 8962 crores in grants.The revenue of J&K Government of Rs 2229 crores is not even sufficient to cover the salary bill of Rs 4389 crores.

While as the Indian central Government spends close to Rs 12000 / per person in Jammu & Kashmir , it spends Rs 700 per capita in UP.

The comparative difference between two regions of Jammu & Kashmir are as  shown in the chart below.

 

 

 

Sr. no
Jammu region
Kashmir valley region
1. Area 
26293 sq kms
15948 sq kms
2. Total revenue generated
75 %
20%
3. Total voters
3059986
2883950
4. Assembly seats allotted
37
46
5. Voters per seat
66521
49728
6. Area per assembly seat
710.6 sq kms
346.6 sq. kms.
7. Loksabha seats
2
3
8. Cabinet ministers(till 7th July,08 )
5
14
9. Districts
-0
10
10. Area per district
2629 sq. kms
1594 sq. kms
11. Unemployment status
69.70 %
29.30%
12.Representation in state govt. jobs
1.2 lakhs
3lakhs
13.Percentage of employees from local area-less than
 25%
99%
14. Power generation 
22 Mega Watt
304 Mega Watt
15. Annual tourist traffic-
80 lakhs plus
Less than 4 lakhs
16. Expenditure of revenue on tourism sector
less than 10%
Plus 85%
17. Rural electrification-less than
 70%
100%

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This level of appeasement needs to be stopped. The militants ,terrorists and separatists needs to be crushed with an iron fist.Equal opportunities to be given to people of Jammu & Ladakh and dominance of smaller region,Kashmir,should be stopped over whole state of Jammu & Kashmir. Efforts should be initiated towards abolition of Article 370 , else this article actually proves the rest of country citizens to be inferior.

Meanwhile the vale of Kashmir reverberates with the slogan of “Bharat Teri Shahmat Aayi …Lashkar Aaayi…Lashkar Aaayi. [ Translation : India , you are now faced with worst time as "Lashkar" has arrived ].

For those of you who are not aware , Lashkar is being is a short name of Lashkar E Toiyaba , the dreaded and banned terrorist organization having close links with Al Qaida. Lashkar is also known as “Lashkar e Taiba “

 

972 Comments »

  1. While going through today’s newspaper, I am astonished on the fact that people have also started thinking in the direction of letting Kashmir go independently or with Pakistan. I am dwindling in both directions, to keep it with India or let go.

    Both have their own pros and cons. It is Indian government who is giving a blind eye perhaps out of fear of not igniting a war. lolz. It is only this cold attitude towards the ever persisting problems in Kashmir that today Pakistani flags are being hoisted in the state. It is this blind eye that separatists have pearced enough the hearts and minds of people living in Kashmir to convert them as anti-Indians.

    Letting go Kashmir can have adverse effects and India as a country may face grave threats of loosing some states to different communities. We must hold on and curb those who are trying to showcase Kashmir as an independent state, ready to run in Pakistan.

    Comment by soapjackson — August 24, 2008 @ 7:18 am

  2. you need to remove “www” in front of dailyshadow.in …. to make the URL work

    Comment by PM — August 24, 2008 @ 7:32 am

  3. #Syed Ali Geelani wanted Islamic governance in the whole state of Jammu & Kashmir

    So this pervert wants ISLAMIC governance over Jammu too …….
    If he does know what ISLAMIC governance means we need to teach him and if he knows and still wants to impose it on Jammu HANG him.

    Comment by Vicky — August 24, 2008 @ 8:10 am

  4. I am wondering what respect he has for mehbooba (100% shame )
    He is surely a DEVIL and we should not tolerate him at any cost .

    Comment by Vicky — August 24, 2008 @ 8:15 am

  5. All i have to say now is this. Shame on indian politics.

    Comment by Voice Of Jammu — August 24, 2008 @ 9:51 am

  6. Great …. kashmiri muslims have given us a proof that they are seculaR (PAKISTANI DEFINITION).. I don’t understand how these shameless people come everytime and discuss this toplic…. i don’t understan that never ever they were stoped by their inner concious…..they contradict what they say stilll they go on …. these people every time prove that they are worst people i n the whole world…….

    Comment by Neha — August 24, 2008 @ 12:25 pm

  7. Guys be ready….. What will happen to the girls that were caught in sex racket….. Zinah …. Stone them to death….. ISLAMIC STONE AGE IS BACK IN KASHMIR……
    anil

    Comment by Koul Anil — August 24, 2008 @ 1:07 pm

  8. I just received a nice emil from my kashmiri pandit brother please read….. ANIL

    Dear all:

    Please read and learn the tue meaning of Islam and decide for yourselves how peaceful Muhammed’s religion is ! Send a copy to Angana Chatterji, the bleeding heart Islamist.

    Best weishes.

    Jagan

    Islamic Strategy for South Asia
    Fri Aug 22, 2008 3:37 pm (PDT)
    http://www.islam-watch.org/JihadiUmmah/What-Islam-Wants-Nabiullah-Khan.htm

    What Islam Wants: Islam’s Diabolical Plan According to Pakistan’s
    Jamat-e-Islami Party

    by Author

    18 Aug, 2008

    Jamhooria Islamia, a monthly Baluchi magazine published from Panj-gar,
    published an interview in its 1999 February issue with Maulana
    Nawabzadaa Nabiullah Khan, a confidant of and adviser to Maulana Qazi
    Ahmed—the Amir of the leading Pakistani Islamic party,
    Jamaat-e-Islami. The interview was conducted by Jalil Amir. The
    following constitutes are excerpts from that conversation which
    reveals the fundamentalist ideology and designs of the organization
    and its leader.

    EQUALITY OF MEN AND WOMEN IS STUPIDITY

    Q: The women issue is very controversial nowadays. Taliban and some
    fundamentalist organizations restrict the freedom of women while some
    progressive Muslim intellectuals are insisting that the women are
    equal to men in all spheres. What are Qazi’s views on women?

    A: As I said earlier, the Prophet Mohammad’s (PBUH) views on women are
    the exact views of Qazi Ahmed and the Jamat. Equality of men and women
    is stupidity. What men can do, women cannot do. Women are weak
    physically and mentally compared to men. Men have to take care of
    women all the time.

    WOMEN MUST STAY HOME

    Women should not have a life outside the family. Education can be
    provided to them, but not to compete with men in public.

    NO VOTING RIGHTS FOR WOMEN UNDER SHARIA

    Qazi had said once that when JI comes to power in Pakistan, he will
    abolish the voting rights of women and minorities. Only the Muslim men
    can participate in voting or standing for elections. When I asked the
    proof from Hadiths, he had quoted many Hadiths in support of that. I
    asked him why is it that it is never talked about openly in the public
    by the Jamaat? Qazi had said that the hints are all over the place.
    But JI did not make it a big issue since the women who currently have
    the voting rights may vote against JI in the elections if such a thing
    is said openly.

    NON MUSLIMS IN MUSLIM COUNTRIES MUST PAY JIZYA

    Q: That brings us to the question of minorities. Will they have to pay
    Jizya tax?

    A: Yes. They have to pay the tax. As explained by Qazi Ahmed , the
    idea of Jizya is not protection money. But it is a monetary force on
    the non-Muslim to convert to Islam. Once the Jamaat comes to power,
    the minorities will be induced (forced) to become Muslims either by
    monetary or psychological factors.

    ALL INDIAN HINDUS WILL BE CONVERTED INTO ISLAM

    JI is already equating India with Hindus so that the Hindus of
    Pakistan will be forced to become Muslims. This was a very successful
    strategy during the Babri Masjid riots. JI was actively involved in
    destroying the Hindu temples in Punjab and Sindh. We ordered the
    destruction of the Hindu family property too. But our main aim was to
    destroy the Hindu temples. We wrote in the JI pamphlets that
    destroying each pagan temple makes a Muslim move closer to the heaven
    of Allah. We used the Hadiths in all the pamphlets. Babar destroyed
    the Ram temple in Ayodhya because he was a true believer. The same
    way, every Muslim should take it upon himself to destroy the Hindu
    temples in Pakistan. O! ur idea was to encourage the Muslims of India
    also to destroy the Hindu temples in India. But this was not met with
    much success since the Hindu police in India started attacking the
    Muslims who were doing Allah’s duty.

    Q: What kind of government does JI envisage for Pakistan?

    A: It will be the Sharia government. Sharia will be made our
    constitution so that the eminent Muslim scholars who had completed the
    schooling in Madrasas will be appointed as the Judges in every court.
    Qazi wanted to make the presidium on the same model as the Khalifa.
    Presently our idea is that the entire top leadership of JI as well as
    all three military Generals will be part of the presidium for which
    the Qazi will be the Khalifa.

    OUR MOTTO IS CONSTANT JIHAD

    Our motto is “Constant Jihad”. The idea is to keep Pakistan in a
    constant state of Jihad all the time. Qazi’s vision is that Pakistan
    will be! the centre of the new Islamic Empire that stretches from
    Burma to Afghanistan and from Srilanka to Tajikistan including Kashmir

    Towards that end, the Jamaat will use all tactics from terrorism in
    the kafir-controlled areas to negotiations in the Muslim controlled
    areas. Already the Jamaat leaders of Bangladesh and Jamaat leaders of
    India have accepted the primacy of Pakistani leadership in this regard.

    SRI LANKA AND BURMA WILL BE PRESSURIZED TO CONVERT TO ISLAM

    Q: What about Srilanka and Burma?

    A: Both are Buddhist nations. For that matter even Baluchistan and
    Afghanistan were Buddhist once while Sindh and Punjab were Hindu
    earlier. Buddhists are generally weaker in matters of faith. Hence we
    hope they will become Muslim with a little pressure. But that will
    happen only after Jamaat conquers first Pakistan and then India.

    Q: What are the plans for India? It looks like the entire India policy
    of the Jamaat revolves around Kashmir.

    A: Yes that is true. But that is for a very good reason. See Kashmir
    is like a keystone that sits on top of the arch. It is true that the
    arch holds the entire weight of the keystone. But if you remove the
    keystone, then the whole arch falls down. That is why it is called the
    keystone. Kashmir is the keystone for India. Once you remove that,
    then India can no longer be secular and it will not be a united
    country either. Once Kashmir is taken out, these militancy movements
    will break India by asking the similar freedom for Nagaland, Kerala,
    Mizoram, Meghalaya, Manipur, Assam, Jharkand, Tamil Nadu, West Bengal
    and Khalistan.

    INDIA WILL BE MADE A 100% MUSLIM NATION

    Q: Coming back to the same point, if India was to become many
    countries, how do you deal with the individual Hindu States? They may
    even become big enemies of Pakistan. Or they may again re-group to
    challenge Pakistan.

    A: Given the differences between the nationalities in India, the
    options for Pakistan are endless. Qazi’s vision is to make the entire
    India a 100% Muslim Nation. A United India, where Hindus are majority
    is an impediment to that. Like Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) made Muslims
    out of pagans of Arabia, Qazi also wants to make Muslims out of the
    pagans of India.

    Q: This is a great vision since this was not even possible for the
    Muslim dynasties and Moguls who ruled India for the last 700 years.

    A: True. That is because they had never really established the Muslim
    Empire. Though the Kings were Muslims, they had entertained the Hindus
    in positions of power. When you make an unequivocal statement that
    only Muslims are voters and declare that India is an Islamic Republic,
    then automatically the people will become Muslims. Little bit of
    terror had to be applied to the heart of Hindus and Christians. I will
    give you a best example. The portions which now constitute Pakistan
    had 25% Hindu population before Independence.

    TERRORIZATION IS THE BEST CONVERSION TOOL

    After Independence, a lot of Hindus migrated to India. Yet after the
    migration, the Pakistani Hindu population was 15%. Do you know what is
    the percentage now? It is less than 1%. How was this made possible?
    How did the Hindus convert to Islam in a short span of 20 years
    whereas for 700 years they had never converted to Islam? That is
    purely because of the terror of the Partition.

    That terror forced the Hindus who remained in Pakistan to become
    Muslims. Pure and simple. JI used similar techniques in Punjab and
    Sindh. Each time a riot breaks out in India, we had used that pretext
    to strike terror among the Hindus, Christians and Ahmaddiahs. The
    similar terror will be at the heart of every non-Muslim, both Hindu as
    well as Christian, in the coming years in the entire of India. PRPOHET
    SUCCEEDED WITH TERROR SO CAN WE Qazi is an analytical genius who knows
    every strategy that was used by Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) and which will
    be and should be used in India to achieve the total submission to Allah.

    Q: Do you envision a possibility that when Kashmir becomes part of
    Pakistan, there could be large-scale riots in India against Indian
    Muslims? Hence unwittingly Kashmir could lead to more deaths of Indian
    Muslims and damage Islamic Ummah.

    ANY MUSLIM ASSOCIATING WITH A POLYTHEIST BECOMES A POLYTHEIST

    A: Yes that is a possibility. But our ideology is based on Quran and
    Hadiths. Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) in numerous Hadiths and Allah in
    Quran had said that any Muslim who associates with a polytheist is a
    polytheist. Muslims cannot be friendly with a non-Muslim. This
    includes the Christians, Jews and Hindus. Also Mohammad (PBUH) says
    that even if the Muslim ruler is not good, the Muslims stay with the
    ruler rather than go out to a non-Muslim country. Hadiths and Quran
    are very explicit regarding this. All the Muslims who did not migrate
    to Pakistan during Partition are in essence Hindus. They may think
    that they are Muslims. But not before Allah.

    They are as self-deluded as the Ahmaddiahs who think they are Muslims
    when everyone knows that they are not Muslims. Hence the Muslims of
    India who had decided to stay in India during Partition are not
    Muslims and their progeny are not Muslim (since they did not migrate
    to Muslim lands).

    Another thing that I noticed in my journeys in India is that the Hindu
    farmers generally offer their entire harvest to their gods at the end
    of their harvesting season. This makes the entire crop as haram for
    Muslims. Yet these so-called Muslims of India are forced to eat this
    food which was already offered to some other God other than Allah.
    This is explicitly forbidden in Quran.

    MUSLIMS GOING TO NON MUSLIM COUNTRIES TO SETTLE DOWN ARE KAFIRS

    And this is one of the serious problems of living in non-Muslim
    countries. Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) knew such things; that is why he
    ordered Muslims not to live in non-Muslim areas. Yet knowingly these
    so-called Muslims live in India. AGAIN ALL THE MUSLIMS WHO MIGRATE TO
    OTHER NON MUSLIM COUNTRIES AND US ARE NON MUSLIMS . Only the Muslims
    who intend to come back are Muslims not the ones who decide to stay in
    such countries. Hence we do not care if such Indian Muslims die in the
    riots.

    But due to strategy reasons we do have excellent relations with these
    Muslims. All the Muslims who work for Pakistan and for the glory of
    Ummah are real Muslims. They are our front line troops in non-Muslim
    countries. Hence we have to distribute the arms and ammunitions to
    these real Muslims in case riots come to their door.

    The Kashmiri Muslims are pure Muslims who are toiling under the yoke
    of Hindu rule. They are victimized by the international conspiracy to
    keep them under the Hindu rule. That issue is part of the incomplete
    Partition, whereas the Indian Muslims have accepted Partition and
    stayed on in India knowingly.

    JAMAT WILL BRING SLAVERY BACK TO PAKISTAN Arabians own slaves. Though
    Allah says that the slaves should be treated in a nice manner, he did
    not advocate the abolition of slavery. If slavery is bad as considered
    in today’s world, Allah certainly would have said that slavery is
    wrong. Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) also said that the slaves should be
    treated in a good manner and the slaves should be released often. But
    if there is no slavery, how can anyone release slaves? Hence the
    re-introduction of slavery in Pakistan is one of the future plans of
    the Jamaat.

    ALL CAPTURED HINDUS WILL BE MADE SLAVES

    All the captured Hindu Indians and Srilankans will be made slaves to
    work for Pakistani Muslims. Every God-abiding Pakistani Muslim will
    get slaves once we conquer India. All the slaves who embrace Islam
    will be set free. Slavery is Islamic. Jamaat is the only political
    party, which does not voice any opposition to the slavery in Pakistan.
    We went around all over Arabia. We were surprised to know that there
    are some Hindus in Yemen. These ancient Yemeni Hindus are not Indians.
    In my opinion, these Hindus are traders from India in the ancient
    times. I was also surprised to know that they have a Shiva temple in
    Yemen. Qazi was very unhappy over this. When he talked to the Yemen
    leaders, he broached this subject. But the Yemeni leaders refused
    Qazi’s suggestion of forced conversion of these people to Islam. I
    don’t know why they refused. I think it may be due to the large
    population of Hindus from India who work in Yemen and Arabia. He
    disliked the current leadership of Arabia for this reason.

    In his opinion, Arabia should not allow any non-Muslim into the holy
    lands of Arabia. Arabia should be 100% pure. A large number of Hindus
    in Arabia is corrupting the Arabians. Though they live as contractors,
    they have the potential to corrupt the minds of the Arabians.

    HINDU TEMPLES POLLUTE MUSLIM LANDS

    One such thing is the presence of Arabians in the Qatar Hindu temple.
    First the king allowed the Hindus to build a temple and church in the
    holy lands, thereby polluting the Holy Land. Second is that even a
    member of the Royal family visited that temple to inaugurate that
    temple. To the horror of Qazi, he had learnt that one of the powerful
    members of the Qatar Royal family is a devotee of a god called
    Aayappan. This news resolved Qazi to fight the force of the devil
    thousand fold.

    Q: Such things happen in Pakistan today. I mean a friend of mine goes
    to a Hindu temple. Another friend goes to church meetings.

    A: Yes. One of Qazi’s relatives wanted to become a Hindu. He did not
    have a child for many years and it seems he had prayed to a Hindu God
    and got the child. Hence he felt thankful to that god and wanted to
    become a Hindu. Qazi got to know of this and called him and threatened
    him with dire consequences. That relative did not become a Hindu. But
    that incident made Qazi read more about apostasy.

    PUNISHMENT FOR APOSTASY IS DEATH

    Quran and Hadith clearly say the punishment for abandonment of Islam
    is death. Since Sharia is not the law in Pakistan, and the current
    Pakistani Constitution grants the right to change religion, it is
    legally correct to declare oneself as Hindu or Christian. But once the
    JI takes over the government, it will make Sharia as the Constitution.
    Then Pakistan will also legally execute any person who leaves Islam
    and joins Ahmaddiah, Christianity or Hinduism the same way Iran and
    Taliban treats its apostates. He also opined that the presence of the
    Hindu temples in Pakistan is the root cause of the problem and hence
    we want to destroy all the Hindu temples and Churches in Pakistan.

    Q: This brings us into another area. Right now the Internet is
    becoming widespread. Even Saudi Arabia is connected with the outside
    world. Destroying the temples may be good, but how can we insulate the
    Pakistani and Muslim people against the corrupting knowledge totally?

    A: JI had taken a principled stand on the matter of science and
    religion. Religion is far superior to science.

    ALL THE WORLD�S KNOWLEDGE IS IN QURAN AND HADITHS

    Whatever man needs to know is in the Quran and Hadiths. Knowing more
    will create problems like the Atom bomb and Television.

    MUSIC TV AND PHOTOGRAPHY ARE SATANIC AND HARAM Quran and Hadiths are
    explicit in denouncing pictures. Yet the lure of Satan in the form of
    photography and television is eating our lives.

    Music previously was confined only to the vocal singing. Now science
    and technology made the music widespread at a cheaper price. These are
    the lures of Satan. We have to be on guard against these harami things.

    SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY ARE BAD FOR CIVILIZATION

    Hence, more science and technology is bad for the civilization. I had
    completed civil engineering. Hence I am privy to scientific knowledge.
    I can tell you how corrupting that is. It even makes you question the
    glorious Quran.

    EARTH IS FLAT There are many Hadiths, which say that the earth is
    flat. But any science will tell you the earth is a sphere. But you can
    use the same science like the relativity theory to prove that the
    earth is flat. It is the same case with evolution. But the point being
    that doubt is sown in the minds of the people on the validity of the
    Quran as the word of God. More and more we work hard to prove the
    Quran’s scientific correctness, more and more people will get
    apprehensive of the truth of the Quran. This is an abomination.

    WHEN ISLAM TALKS OF GET EDUCATED IT MEANS QURANIC EDUCATION

    This is why when we talk of education, we talk of religious education
    and not scientific education.

    It is true that science grew after the Prophet’s revolution in Arabia.
    That was the start of science. Now each and every science is filled
    with anti-god stuff. If you want to become a doctor, you have to read
    evolution. If you have to read any engineering, you have to believe in
    the billions of years old universe theory which effectively says that
    human beings came to the world only just one or two million years back.

    Q: But we still need the arms and knowledge of the Western world,
    which believes in science. And again you had referred to television as
    evil. If we abolish photography how can we have passports or
    identification cards?

    A: Yes. That is strategic. With the help of Allah, we will be given
    oil for them to run their cars and we will have arms in that place. We
    will use their arms to destroy them in the course of time.

    PHOTOGRAPHY WILL BE BANNED UNDER JI

    As far as photos are concerned, they will be banned as it was done in
    Afghanistan under Taliban. If there is no need for people to go out of
    Pakistan, where is the need for the passports? For those who have to
    travel to other countries like the leaders of the revolution, they
    only will be given the passport with photos. For that, we will allow
    limited photography licensed only to the government. And the biggest
    corruption in today’s Pakistan is Indian satellite TV and Indian
    cinemas and Indian songs. We have to abolish these too.

    ARABIC WILL BE MADE OFFICIAL LANGUAGE OF PAKISTAN

    Q: Currently we have a lot of opposition from Mohajirs regarding
    reservations. What kind of reservation policy will the JI will have in
    Pakistan?

    A: We approach that problem as the problem of language. Urdu-speaking
    Muslims and Sindhi-speaking Muslims are fighting now. We plan to
    abolish all the regional languages like Pashto, Sindhi, Baluchi, Urdu,
    Punjabi and Brahvi. We want all the people of Pakistan to speak Arabic
    which is our divine language. This will make everyone equal before
    everyone else and there would not be any need for language or region
    based reservations. We also hope that this will make the Quran and
    Hadiths easier to understand and will make the people follow the Quran
    and Hadiths to the letter.

    Q: There could be language riots. One such language riot resulted in
    Bangladesh.

    A: Bangladesh was not a result of language riot. The very idea that
    they are Muslims will bring the Bangladeshis to Arabic. We already
    fund heavily the Arabic language courses all over India, Bangladesh
    and Pakistan. From Morocco to Iraq speaks in Arabic, I don’t see any
    reason why from Morocco to Burma we will not bring Arabic to the
    people. Even Bangladesh will start speaking in Arabic. That time there
    won’t be any Bangladesh where the country name itself has the name of
    the language. Yes. Right now our aim is just for reunification without
    touching on the language issue of Bengali. JI of Bangladesh is working
    towards this aim.

    Q: The secular journalists of Pakistan oppose the JI. For example the
    Dawn and News are very critical of the JI. How do you see their role
    in the future?

    A: Ardheshir Cowasjee is able to work only because of the present
    Constitution of Pakistan. When Sharia becomes the Constitution, he
    cannot even approach the court, as he is a kafir. We see secular
    journalists as our main enemy in the current struggle to reach power.
    These secular journalists are digging our statements we made during
    the pre-Independence days and trying to beat us. Of course we opposed
    the creation of Pakistan during the British times. But that was a
    different Jamaat. Our history starts with Independence.

    SECULARS ARE KAFIRS

    Secular journalists are not Muslims even though some of them are
    carrying Muslim names. Let them come to us and let us ask questions on
    the Quran and Hadiths. We will prove each and every thing we say is
    from Quran and Hadiths. Let them prove what we say as wrong from the
    Quranic angle. Then we will accept them. But they cannot. They cannot
    match us in any debate concerning the Quran and Hadiths. We can
    comprehensively prove that they are indeed non-Muslims.! They are like
    Quadianis who say that the Muslim need not take up Jihad as an
    obligation. That is pure nonsense.

    Comment by Koul Anil — August 24, 2008 @ 1:09 pm

  9. EVERY ONE PLEASE READ THE ABOVE COMMENT….. IT IS THE EYE OPENER…….. IT IS LONG BUT WORTH THE TIME
    ANIL..

    Comment by Koul Anil — August 24, 2008 @ 1:34 pm

  10. taking in account the statement of the auother above the analysis of the land area, assembly seats etc is all biased same as the elections were always biased even if it is a state govern,ment survey biased because this survey includes almost all the area beyond banihal with jammu. roaming around jammu takes 15 mins on a bicycle . more over jammu always belonged to very cunning and mischief mongers since centuries . their basic profession was to ass towing (khacchar) a donkey cousin which they used for carrying load….. people like this auother must be crushed with an iron fist coz these r the people who spread ill information about kashmiris……………. kashmiris love indians and india and at the same time dnt want to be with the pakistan also bt can never tolerate voilation of act 370.. this cheapster would have been the prime minister of india if he ever could stop propogating.

    Comment by asmin indian — August 24, 2008 @ 2:15 pm

  11. regarding the mosque at balthal , this is a simple piece of land which gujjars use for prayers as they stay in jammu, poonch rajouri etc areas with their cattle and live stock, they dont HAVE A RESERVATION NOR CAN THEY PURCHASE LAND, this land there in the pic. does not belong to any outsider and hence act 370 is not violated . think how many yatris came and left untouched by any kashmiris ,. all they took with them was the loveable memories of hospitality and gesture showed by us kashmiris. go and ask any yatri in india…………….. ppl like the auother should be hung

    Comment by asmin indian — August 24, 2008 @ 2:24 pm

  12. sorry for auother , its author ………….. was writing in blind

    Comment by asmin indian — August 24, 2008 @ 2:28 pm

  13. Asmin,

    This year alone there have been four attacks on Amarnath Yatris. Pls dont twist the facts. Google it and you will find.

    As for the land being used by Gujjars is concerned , i have no problem . But why this has come up after the whole controversy for this very land ?

    Please open your eyes while thinnking ,if you re blind while writing.

    Comment by Editor — August 24, 2008 @ 2:47 pm

  14. Asmin

    Do you also want this ?

    ***************************************
    Islam should govern our lives, be it in our political thought, socio-economic plans, culture or the ongoing movement.
    ***************************************
    Just YES/NO ?

    I don’t think this is offensive Question and you should be able to let people of India know about it .

    #ppl like the auother should be hung
    Can you justify why?

    Peace….

    Comment by Vicky — August 24, 2008 @ 3:11 pm

  15. mr asim…..it make me wonder ….tht u contradict ur self…. in ur name u wrote asim indian and while writing u turned into a kashmiri…. u should have written asmin kashmiri… indian doesn’t suit u guys…

    >>regarding the mosque at balthal , this is a simple piece of land which gujjars use for prayers …

    we too have asked for a simple piece of land for our yatra…..we didn’t asked for ownership… art 370 is not at all in question… it would be in question when ther will b permant transfer of land…

    u people talk about hospitality….. u made us to leave our land… u killed those people who were ur own brothers… in which way u make the indians feel good at kashmir…. by attacks… killing themm…

    just open ur mind… se the world around u and then say kas mus never want to go with pak… … read the news paper..see what ur people r saying and then write next comment

    Comment by Neha — August 24, 2008 @ 3:20 pm

  16. vicky these people will talk always of killings… written in their religion.. that the kafir should b hanged

    Comment by Neha — August 24, 2008 @ 3:22 pm

  17. Asmin indian …………….All Kashmiri Muslims have forked tongue so you cannot believe what they say and what they do. Having said that “Kashmiri Muslims” are fondly called as “HATTOS” by Jammuites, this breed of parasite can openly found across Jammu and Kashmir mostly during winter time. Most of them come and work in Jammu and can be found in Purani Mandi & Kanak Mandi pushing REDAAS.

    Comment by Voice Of Jammu — August 24, 2008 @ 3:51 pm

  18. #that the kafir should b hanged

    If you start linking now you will realize KP’s were kafir ….
    Jammu people should not let them purchase land in Jammu else we all will have to pay after …. these people should be spread across country and over time there ideology will change .
    Killing them is not an option, they need EXPOSURE.

    Comment by Vicky — August 24, 2008 @ 3:55 pm

  19. i think after the exposure of kas mus every govt should should make a law that a kas musl not allowed to buy land….because he is not the citizen of that very state..and if the citizen of so and so state is not allowed to buy land in kasmr why shold kash musl have freedom… let the concept of citizenship change for kas musl..

    Comment by Neha — August 24, 2008 @ 4:19 pm

  20. look at this video….. Great job who ever put it together…..
    http://in.youtube.com/watch?v=uch_Jnjcimg&feature=related

    Comment by Koul Anil — August 24, 2008 @ 9:17 pm

  21. O Holy economic blockade ….

    http://www.ibnlive.com/news/jammu-discriminated-against-valley-favoured/72039-3 . html

    Comment by PM — August 24, 2008 @ 10:43 pm

  22. don’t forget to put .html at the end :)

    Comment by PM — August 24, 2008 @ 10:44 pm

  23. its pretty funny really ….

    can anyone be so naive to think that seperatists are there because of BJP …. no they are there because they hate India and Indians …..

    its simple and plain … but sad for those people because they are falling into pak-shaitani propoganda …

    THANK GOD WE DONT HAVE POLITICIANS LIKE JOURNALISTS …

    I HAD KNOWN JOURNALISM TO GIVE AN IMPARTIAL VIEW …. THIS IS TURNING OUT TO BE SAD JOURNALISM …

    ONE QUESTION TO ALL INDIANS ….

    has anyone seen CNN AND BBC …. calling people like geelani and yassen mallik who support terrorism in the name of FREE JOURNALISM ???

    Has INDIAN JOURNALISM LOST THE IMPARTIAL VIEW … ??

    If u see that interview of Arun jaitley … THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO MENTION OF THE AMARNATH LAND … WHICH IS SUCH A SIMPLE LEGITIMATE DEMAND …

    and then there is constant repitition of economic blockade … bjp helping the seperatists … it seems this is SAD JOURNALISM …

    TIME FOR INDIAN JOURNALISTS TO LOOK INTO THEIR COLLARS ??

    THEY HAVE BECOME WORSE THAN POLITICIANS FOR INDIA …. ITS SAD ….

    LIVE AND LET LIVE …

    Comment by chandra — August 25, 2008 @ 8:09 am

  24. mr. editor can u tell me why all the kashmiri agitation videos have been removed from youtube n metacafe etc…….. answer me for this n i will move further.

    Comment by asmin indian — August 25, 2008 @ 8:11 am

  25. THANK GOD FOR INDIA …

    BJP HAS ARRIVED ON THE NATIONAL SCENE …

    GOD BLESS …

    Comment by chandra — August 25, 2008 @ 8:12 am

  26. Hey are the Indians controlling Google and Metacafe … that will be cool … wwwwoooowww …. :) :) :) ….

    only thats how they can remove videos …. :)

    Comment by chandra — August 25, 2008 @ 8:14 am

  27. #youtube n metacafe etc

    look here
    http://www.youtube.com/t/community_guidelines

    “But we don’t permit hate speech (speech which attacks or demeans a group based on race or ethnic origin, religion, disability, gender, age, veteran status, and sexual orientation/gender identity).”

    Comment by Vicky — August 25, 2008 @ 8:39 am

  28. chandra dats y i said indians r cunning …. i m laughing my ass out on u

    Comment by asmin indian — August 25, 2008 @ 9:04 am

  29. #i m laughing my ass out on u

    Look here you will be overjoyed
    http://www.google.co.in/search?q=islam+toilet+etiquets&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

    The entire world laughs US/UK/India etc ….

    Peace :)

    Comment by Vicky — August 25, 2008 @ 9:17 am

  30. Reply To Asmin…

    [ edited ]

    Throw them out of your towns dear INDIANS

    Comment by Voice Of Jammu — August 25, 2008 @ 10:18 am

  31. Thanks Edittior: for editing my comments well i think my initial remarks were echo of Jammu sentiments any how……

    My Appeal to all Indians… stop cooperating with these Kashmiri Muslims in your states…they have talked about fake economic blocade which never existed…..however now it time to give them tase of their own medicine…. ECONOMIC BLOCADE….lets stop trading and any other type of activity withthese Kashmiri Militants. They are all over india in lets throw them out.

    Comment by Voice Of Jammu — August 25, 2008 @ 10:47 am

  32. #asmin indian

    >>i m laughing my ass out on u

    at last you put your ass to some new service, rather then raising it 5 times a day..

    >>mr. editor can u tell me why all the kashmiri agitation videos have been removed from youtube n metacafe etc

    really ? that means youtube and metacafe are improving… till now they were hosting more jihadi stuffs, then the world that represent the democratic free world… nice they decided to improve !!

    Comment by PM — August 25, 2008 @ 11:10 am

  33. I am proud of India ….

    that it is chosen home of people like Dalai Lama … and Taslima Nasreen ….

    TWO PEOPLE OF THIS WORLD WHO ARE REALLY FIGHTING A CAUSE ….

    LIVE AND LET LIVE …

    Comment by chandra — August 25, 2008 @ 1:03 pm

  34. BTW

    had anyone checked that on rediff, IBN , NDTV .. most of the baised document coverage is been pushed by Muslims…

    isn’t it time to speak about Muslim controlled Media ? after all it is allowed, never heard when Muslim cry of ‘Jews control the Media’

    Comment by PM — August 25, 2008 @ 1:48 pm

  35. Kashmir has been Talibanised, says Governor Sinha

    http://week.manoramaonline.com/cgi-bin/MMOnline.dll/portal/ep/theWeekContent.do?BV_ID=@@@&contentType=EDITORIAL&sectionName=Current%20Events&programId=1073754900&contentId=4418350

    Should be distributed all over…..
    Forward it to Rajdeep Sardesai, Barkha Dutt, Vir Sanghvi, Prannoy Roy, et al…..

    Comment by AK — August 25, 2008 @ 2:39 pm

  36. a very important thing that the interview says is ….

    NOBODY THE SO CALLED PSUEDO SECULARISTS …. AND HUMAN RIGHTS ACTIVISTS CRITICISE THE COMMUNAL POLITICS OF THE GEELANI CREEPS AND ALL …

    NO ONE TALKS OF ETHNIC CLEANSING OF THE KASHMIRI PANDITS …

    WHY??

    CAN INDIAN JOURNALISTS … HUMAN RIGHT ACTIVISTS … PSEUDO SECULARISTS ANSWER THIS .. ??

    SHAME ON THEM ….

    Live and Let Live …

    Comment by chandra — August 25, 2008 @ 3:49 pm

  37. ashim i request u please remove the word indian at d end of ur name…. ……..

    Comment by Neha — August 25, 2008 @ 4:10 pm

  38. “Ham Pakistani hain,
    Pakistan Hamara Hai”
    http://www.dailyexcelsior.com/web1/08aug19/index.html

    I am wondering what happened to Father of Geelani YES Pakistan…

    Why Pakistan is not coming to save him OR where is his jihadi brothers ?
    He is misleading innocent people a devil who talks about Islam govern the life of people.

    Peace.

    Comment by Vicky — August 25, 2008 @ 4:34 pm

  39. neha u seem to be pandit n u speak against kashmiris in disguise as u fled away within a policy bt u cud never make it back ….. dats bcoz ur policy failed……… u left us kashmiri bros n sis’s in kashmir n fled away …….. i dnt give a damn wt pandits say by nw cz i have seen every bit of it since 88′…. all i can say dat yes when 90% pandits fled fromkashmir then rest were forced to move …….. moreover my house is surrounded by 2 pandit families namely pandit nehru ji and pandit ratanlal ji who wer never forced to move out . i swear to God we live like one family n i respect him like my father …… similarly there r still hundreds of pandit families still living in kashmir untouched……………. nw laugh over urslf…………i am an indian cz i love indians n which i hate is B.J.P. V.H.P. Bajrang Dal, Shiv Sena even if it includes u personally …… Kindly dnt fall in the hands of politics.. i havre friends all over india n weneva they come to kashmir i initially take them to Shankar Acharya temple personally .. Answer me y ?

    Comment by asmin indian — August 25, 2008 @ 5:29 pm

  40. vicky its nt about Geelani .. i dntr give a damn to him . if he is a pakistan follower im nt wid him bt wt i am wid is kashmir .

    Comment by asmin indian — August 25, 2008 @ 5:31 pm

  41. to all … n mr editor n neha especially
    we r not bothered to give land in hands of kashmiri pandits. kashmiri pandits r most welcome n 370 will not be violated .. bt asking it for a trust i.e. A.S.S. is wrong . any trust in india or world can not buy or rent or wateva even a millimetre of land in jammu and kashmir. yes dats rite jammu Ladakh as well as Kashmir is a family . plz understand

    Comment by asmin indian — August 25, 2008 @ 5:35 pm

  42. http://in.youtube.com/watch?v=A7vrA0bX8zM

    Comment by asmin indian — August 25, 2008 @ 5:41 pm

  43. Asmin:

    I must say that you are the only one intelligent person left in entire J&K who know SASS is wrong. We now dont need you so you can shutup or will get what you want that to Jammu way. However we dogras have ruled you and will rule you…do what ever you can, now we will not give you any chance in Jammu or out side Jammu.

    YOU ARE NOT WELCOME OUTSIDE KASHMIR :)

    Comment by Voice Of Jammu — August 25, 2008 @ 5:46 pm

  44. my facts r true to their contents . i knw u r pulling ur hair out bt barking dogs seldom bite .. see dat dznt affect me …………..tatto walas have a right to speak in this country

    Comment by asmin indian — August 25, 2008 @ 5:56 pm

  45. being a tatto wala , ur sight n view is limited . i hav moved around the world ……… i cant blame u .

    Comment by asmin indian — August 25, 2008 @ 5:59 pm

  46. #asmin indian

    thats SASS …. you forgot to give honor and respect(even in abbreviations), don’t cry later if someone reply back in same language which i am sure you KM will find inflammatory, ignoring the fact that a pedophile even if born in 6th century, is addressed as pedophile for ever…

    one more thing…. Article 370 ? I was thinking to ask the legitimacy of existence of any Muslim state in South Asia, and South east Asia…

    anyways, how much money did Aurangzeb offered your ancestors to convert ? document says it was 2 Rupees that Aurangzeb offered for every convert, was just thinking how much your families faith cost….

    Comment by PM — August 25, 2008 @ 6:02 pm

  47. Namaskar Asmin Indian…..

    I was silent so far…. Thanks to u you have put words in my mouth….
    Firstly Article 370 is the blunder of Nehru…. and is the creation Of the ISLAM cleverly handled by Sheikh Abdullah F/o farooq F/O umar ….. Same dirty blood runs generation after generation….. Whose grave needed guards in peak and why??? Sheikh….

    We are not as fanatic as Islam following muslims to waste our lives for a Mad Cap like Muhammad….. We respect life be it human or non human…. We are not going to show our strength in front of a Kashmiri Muslim Trained in Pakistan with AK-47 in his hand ready to kill us…. we will save our lives….. But we will do our best to teach Kashmiri Muslim that what Quran and ISLAM has taught u is wrong and please abandon ISLAM before it is too late……. There are many contradictions… dont want to go into details here ….. My fingers might get pregnant……

    I wonder that are u really Muslim following ISLAm or….. someone else…. You said u treat Mr.Ratanlal Jee and MR Nehru as ur father….. BUT ur quran tells you never be friend to ur Kafir… the only friend you have is the MUslim following islam…. Islam also said and muhammad did sign the peace treeties with others and then attacked them when they least expected……

    Well if I had stayed back with you in 1989 I would be dead or would have been converted by force or lived under threat that every kashmiri Pandit lives in Kashmir….. I was in kashmir myself few years back and understand KP’s in kashmir…. and their compulsions….

    To be very Frank Mr.asmin Indian…. If you really read and follow quran, you will realize how ur words and attitude will change….. Understand quran and you will know what this KAshmiri Pandit is telling you…….. ur moulvis wont explain the parts that need a proper explanation…… read on http://www.faithfreedom.org it will help u understand ISLAM better and then instead of Rejecting geelanis you will be supporting them……

    My heart crys for you OH MUSLIM what ISLAM has done to you….. Save urself from ISLAM before and dont live the dream of getting 70 Virgins in heaven……

    Remember Muslim-ISLAM=Peaceful Human……..

    Kuldeep Ur own KASHMIRI PANDIT for ur help

    Comment by Kuldeep — August 25, 2008 @ 6:04 pm

  48. http://in.youtube.com/watch?v=vkOoVwVXYLE&feature=related

    Comment by asmin indian — August 25, 2008 @ 6:05 pm

  49. http://in.youtube.com/watch?v=RYaI0hoWGOk&feature=related

    Comment by asmin indian — August 25, 2008 @ 6:05 pm

  50. ***asmin indian***

    You and all KASHMIRI MUSLIMS are (bhenchod) because you marry your sisters and fuck them…. YOU ARE ONE OF THAT PRODUCE…. I know this comment will be editted in time but not before you and few others would have read.

    Next in some more time….!!

    Comment by Voice Of Jammu — August 25, 2008 @ 6:13 pm

  51. ***asmin indian***

    Have you seen “Kashmiri Hattos” in purani mandi and kanak mandi in Jammu that is what you are dirty and stinky….!!!!

    Comment by Voice Of Jammu — August 25, 2008 @ 6:19 pm

  52. asalaam u alaikum warah me tu la hi wabara katahu kuldeep .
    before teachind me islam or letting it contradict u must say sorry for calling our beloved HAZUR SALLALLAHUALAHI WASLALM wt u hav written above …….. ppl like u r born mischief mongers who dnt knw hw to respect other religion …………… u also hav grown out like an untamed dog who keeps on barking without any reason ………………. i respect ur hinduism ………..bt 1 who dznt respect any other religion cant even live his own religion ( taught in Quran)…………………… u can manupulate every thing even your own Bhagwat Geeta……….. take sm lessons about Islam from our well known scholars or try debating them ………. i pity u ………i wnt ask u to turn to be a Muslim cz u r nt worth even Hinduism

    Comment by asmin indian — August 25, 2008 @ 6:20 pm

  53. Asmin Indian…..
    I understand ur pain and the pain all the muslims have gone through……..
    It is not the Indian Army that has done any of the killings but it is the seed of ISLAM in Kashmiri Muslims Mind……
    Jammu let are not say bad things to them let us pity them…..
    It is the seed of ISLAM that speaks Azadi and nizamaya mustafa…….
    Please ask others to go backs to the roots and become Humans….. leave ISLAM…. I am sure the world will be peaceful and you would have made better place for your children to live in……

    Rich Prapath deeynava Daie meioun……

    Think again about what ISLAM has Taken from you….. AND then think what INDIA has given you…… You will realize that Islam has taken ur conscience and freedom from you…. and India has given ur freedom to you along with much more….. be thankful…..

    Comment by Kuldeep — August 25, 2008 @ 6:21 pm

  54. ***asmin indian***

    You dont wash your Asses in winter because water is cold… that is what you are……

    Comment by Voice Of Jammu — August 25, 2008 @ 6:21 pm

  55. ediotr plz see dt u delete kuldeeps comment as it is violating religious sentiments

    Comment by asmin indian — August 25, 2008 @ 6:21 pm

  56. http://in.youtube.com/watch?v=2PDPQ13GVP8&feature=related
    n ya kuldeep u hav rights to bark without hesitation n u knw why

    Comment by asmin indian — August 25, 2008 @ 6:22 pm

  57. ***asmin indian***

    You are all converted hindus…just for RS 2 that is what your price is.

    Comment by Voice Of Jammu — August 25, 2008 @ 6:22 pm

  58. ya voice of india we keep our asses dirty cz u clean them after darbar move ……lol

    Comment by asmin indian — August 25, 2008 @ 6:23 pm

  59. all i can say is here is a bunch of tatto walas trying to raise their voice which they cant ………..pray for peace lurks

    Comment by asmin indian — August 25, 2008 @ 6:25 pm

  60. ***asmin indian***

    You know why you have not achieved freedom till now….you Kashmiri Muslims are cowards…. You have invited your brothers from Afghanistan and Pakistan…. who fight in Kashmir marry your mothers and sisters… and get killed and your mothers and sisters come to Jammu to Abort your babay brothers.

    Comment by Voice Of Jammu — August 25, 2008 @ 6:25 pm

  61. ya voice of jammu may be we converted for 2 rupees bt u werfe demanding for more which u wer nt worth of …….lol

    Comment by asmin indian — August 25, 2008 @ 6:26 pm

  62. ***asmin indian***

    Pray to your Mohammaed….. you will not get freedom in this generation or next…we will rule you and make you our slaves….Times have changes Porkistaan is no longer in need of you…all they need is your white sisters and mothers

    Comment by Voice Of Jammu — August 25, 2008 @ 6:27 pm

  63. voice of jammu seems to be a real coward when it comes to debate……….. see did i speak bout ur sis or mom… well i cant in public

    Comment by asmin indian — August 25, 2008 @ 6:28 pm

  64. ***asmin indian***

    Good that your mothers and sisters practice raising their asses 5 times in a day…. whem prokistanis, afghanis come and take them it will be easy for them.!!!

    Comment by Voice Of Jammu — August 25, 2008 @ 6:29 pm

  65. Now tell me ***asmin indian***…. If you want more ill give you….told you …you will get Jammu way…..that is BAMBOOING……

    Comment by Voice Of Jammu — August 25, 2008 @ 6:30 pm

  66. I think ***asmin indian*** you are one IDOT produce of some wheak womb who is trying to get his ASS SCREWED.

    Comment by Voice Of Jammu — August 25, 2008 @ 6:32 pm

  67. Asmin INDIAN

    I am thankful that I am not in your place….. I couldnot have done better that what you did in writing…… My inner frustration would kill me …. Knowing my religion is fake and trying to defend it would be punishment….. I understand you more than any one else…. and I pity you…..

    I can debate on ur religion and go poing by point but let me bring up one point that was said earlier and see if you can answer….. there is a question posed to your muslim brother please see if you can answer……
    ———————————————————–

    Mr Asmin my question is not to slander ur religion but let us follow it with better logic:

    Muhammads life is the ideal and perfect life says quran am i slandering ur religion — NO.
    Muhammad married aiesha at the age of 6 and consummated her at the age of 9 is this slandering ur religion — NO

    based on above two extrapolating the facts to yourself:

    I am asking will u marry ur daughter or sister at age of 6 with the pious 51 year old muslim mulla who lived life exactly like Muhammad “as u musliman calls perfect” and let him consummate when ur sister/daughter is age of 9. Am I asking u something ur muhammad did not do — NO . Am i slandering ur religion NO.. it is in ur religion

    If u think that something is ethically or morally wrong with that, Then question yourself am I better person with ISLAM or without ISLAM. And take the right decision.

    LEAVE ISLAM THERE IS THE OPTION –THINK PEOPLE ARE DOING IT.
    ————————————————————-

    I AM SURE U HAVE OPENED YOUR EYES AND LOOKED AROUND THE VIDEOS AND WEBSITES…. MAY BE U SHOULD CONTACT MAY APOSTATES LIKE ALI SINA, SHOUBAT, WAFA SULTAN……AND MANY MORE… LISTEN TO THEIR REASONING…….

    kNOWLEDGE IS POWER BE OPEN TO CRITICISM….. BUT ISLAM DOES NOT LIKE QUESTIONING …. THINK WHY……

    CAN YOU TELL UR MOTHER (WOMEN) THAT YOU ARE 100% SHAME AND 10% WAS COVERED WHEN YOU MARRIED AND ANOTHER 90% WILL BE COVERED IN YOUR GRAVE…. IT IS IN UR QURAN….

    I AM SURE BOOKS AT AT UR HOME… U CAN RECITE THEM IN ARABIC….. PLEASE UNDERSTAND MEANING OF WHAT YOU HAVE BEEN RECITING…..

    HAPPY READING QURAN….. IF YOU NEED MORE INFORMATION…. http://WWW.FAITHFREEDOM.ORG WILL HELP YOU…. READ THINK AND COME BACK… WE LOVE YOU HERE… THE TRUTH IS “MUSLIMS ARE THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE SUFFERED MOST DUE TO ISLAM……”
    YOURS TRUELY….
    KULDEEP

    Comment by Kuldeep — August 25, 2008 @ 6:32 pm

  68. ***asmin indian*** if this is not enough for you……tell me ill show you how much we Jammu HATE you….. FUCK OFF.

    Comment by Voice Of Jammu — August 25, 2008 @ 6:33 pm

  69. lolllllll voice of jammu ……………… u r a mere stupid piece of junk in plains of j&k. get some life baby ……………. cz i clear ur fake identity dznt mean dt u get provoke dto abuse ………… i m here to debate on the land controversy where u have been derailed.. kindly concentrate n watch ur ass

    Comment by asmin indian — August 25, 2008 @ 6:33 pm

  70. ***asmin indian*** Land is something we will take….tell me how will you take freedom from INDIA….. we will make keep you “sullas” and make you cry…

    Comment by Voice Of Jammu — August 25, 2008 @ 6:36 pm

  71. ALL IS RELATED…..
    LAND TO HINDU TO kASHMIRI PANDIT TO ISLAM TO KASHMIRI MUSLIM TO KASHMIRIYAT TO POLITICS TO PAKISTAN TO MUHAMMAD TO QURAN……
    IT IS THE UGLY CIRCLE I HARDLY WANTED TO TOUCH BUT HERE YOU PUSHED ME TO DO IT…. ASMIN….

    Comment by Kuldeep — August 25, 2008 @ 6:37 pm

  72. ***asmin indian*** and all your brothers and sisters who are outside Kashmir… get ready your asses are going to get kicked….now you will taste azadi…

    Comment by Voice Of Jammu — August 25, 2008 @ 6:37 pm

  73. ***asmin indian***
    Jammu is out of bounds for you.
    Delhi is on line.
    Punjab you can not enter.
    Mumbai is Rising
    Bangalore is in lline.
    Porkistan does not need you…Ohhhhh sorry…sorry only your (women)

    Now you have complete azadi… come you green pigs… we are waiting…

    Comment by Voice Of Jammu — August 25, 2008 @ 6:40 pm

  74. ASMIN

    I AM CLEARLY TALKING WHAT IS IN islam IF YOU DONOT KNOW THAT…. U NEED TO READ…..

    AS FAR AS MY COMMENTS ARE THEY SHOULD NOT BOTHER AS LONG AS YOU CAN DEFEND AND ANSWER…. I HAVE NOT USED FOUL LANGUAGE AGAINST ANY HUMAN…. I RESPECT LIFE IRRESPECTIVE OF BELIEFS……

    OF COURSE EDITOR CAN DELETE MY COMMENTS…. BECAUSE TRUTH IS HARD TO DIGEST AND ANSWER LOGICALLY…….

    I WANT TO BE TRUTHFUL TO MY MUSLIM BROTHERS WHO ARE MISGUIDED….. AND IT IS NOT JUST ME U CAN GOOGLE AND FIND OUT HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE LEAVING ISLAM…… TOO MUCH TYPING MAY MAKE MY FINGERS PREGNANT….. SO I STOP HERE……
    AND FORCE U TO THINK……

    Comment by Kuldeep — August 25, 2008 @ 6:46 pm

  75. kuldeep Quran is not for our generation only ………… times keep on changing but the Holy Quran doesnt …… moreover no 1 can compare himself to Hazur S.A.W. for which u were saying about an ordinary mullah…. plaease see
    Through the centuries, orientalists have advance numerous accusations and far-fetched theories to discredit Islam and its last Prophet, Muhammad (peace be upon him). Praise be to Allah alone, all such accusations have been successfully refuted by the Muslims Ummah. Currently, one of the ‘reinvented’ accusations against the noble character of the Prophet is about his marriage to young Aisha Siddiqa ®.
    Let’s probe some of the orientalists’ charges in detail in the light of modern research, historic evidence and the Islamic sources of the Quran and the Sunnah to separate truth from falsehood, and display to the world that Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) is indeed an exemplary for all of mankind.

    Two main theories are often advance by orientalists to attack the pure character of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) on his marriage to Aisha ® at her young age.

    A. He was a Pedophile.
    B. He was involved in child abuse.

    Let’s analyze each theory to dig out the truth, through the Guidance of Allah (SWT).
    A. Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) married Aisha ® because he was a pedophile?
    Definition of a Pedophile:

    “Pedophile: also spelled PEDOPHILIA, psychosexual disorder in which an adult’s arousal and sexual gratification occur primarily through sexual contact with prepubescent children. The typical pedophile is unable to find satisfaction in an adult sexual relationship and may have low self-esteem, seeing sexual activity with a child as less threatening than that with an adult.” Encyclopedia Britannica, 1998
    “pe.do.phil.ia n [NL] (1906): sexual perversion in which children are the preferred sexual object — pe.do.phil.i.ac or pe.do.phil.ic adj.” Merriam Webster’s Collegiate Dictionary

    The diagnostic criteria for pedophilia according to American Psychiatric Association:

    Over a period of at least 6 months, recurrent intense sexual urges and sexual arousing fantasies involving sexual activity with a prepubescent child or children.
    The person has acted on these urges, or is markedly distressed by them.
    The person is at least 16 years old and at least 5 years older than the child or children in A.
    DSM-III-R Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, ed 3, revised, copyright American Psychiatric Association.
    “In addition to their pedophilia, a significant number of pedophiles are concomitantly or have previously been involved in exhibitionism, voyeurism, or rape”. (Voyeurism’s the recurrent preoccupation with fantasized or acts that involve seeking out or observing people who are naked, or are engaged in grooming or in sexual activity”. Synopsis of psychiatry, Harold I.Kaplan et al., 5th ed., pg360, Publishers: Williams and Wilkens, 1988
    Does the Prophet fit the above criteria of a pedophile?

    With the above criteria of a pedophile in mind, lets analyze the lifestyle of the prophet and his marriages.

    Name of Bride Bride’s age at marriage Comments
    Khadija bint khawilad 40 Twice widowed before
    Sauda Bint Zama 50 Widow
    Aisha bint Abu Bakr 9 Started living with the prophet at the age of 9.
    Hafsa Bint Umar bin Khattab 22 Widow
    Zainab bint Khuzaima 30
    Umm-I-Salma bint Abu Umayia 26 Widow
    Zainab Bint Jahash 38 Widow
    Juwaeria Bint Harith 20 Widow
    Umm-I-Habiba bint Abu Sufyan 36 Widow
    Marya Qibtiya bint shamun 17 Virgin, Egyptian
    Safia bint Hayi bin Akhtab 17 Widow
    Raihana bint umru bin hanafa Not available
    Maimuna bint harith 36 Widow

    Source: The Prophet of Islam, the Ideal Husband, by Syed Abu Zafar Zain, Kazi Publications, Lahore, Ist Ed., pg. 10-12

    Statistics from the above table:
    Percentage of his wives who were 17years and older = 91 %

    Percentage of his wives who were widows = 75%

    Comment: The statistics show that the prophet’s marriage to Aisha at her young age was an exception and not a norm of his other marriages. Furthermore ‘a pedophile’s main mode of sexual satisfaction is with prepubescent girls’, which is contradictory to the 91% of prophet’s marriage to women 17 years and over. An unbiased examination of Prophet’s life and his marriages to his wives blatantly rejects the notion of his lifestyle fitting that of a pedophile. All his brides were aged widows (except Aisha and Marium).
    Moreover, according to the criteria in the references cited above in ‘Synopsis of Psychiatry’, a vast majority of pedophiles possess a history of exhibitionism, voyeurism, or rape. Again, there is no single reference from either religious or secular sources that the noble Prophet ever indulged in such sadistic behavior (God forbid). This truth is observed and accepted by both Muslims and unbiased non-Muslims scholars.

    “It is impossible for anyone who studies the life and character of the great Prophet of Arabia, who knows how he taught and how he lived, to feel anything but reverence for that mighty Prophet, one of the great messengers of the Supreme. And although in what I put to you I shall say many things which may be familiar to many, yet I myself feel whenever I re-read them, a new way of admiration, a new sense of reverence for that mighty Arabian teacher.” – Annie Besant, THE LIFE AND TEACHINGS OF MUHAMMAD, Madras, 1932, p. 4.

    B. Others claim that the noble Prophet (peace be upon him) indulged in child-abuse when he married Aisha at her young age.

    Let scrutinize this allegation…

    Definition of Child Abuse:

    Child Abuse, also called CRUELTY TO CHILDREN, the willful and unjustifiable infliction of pain and suffering on children. The term can denote the use of inordinate physical violence; unjustifiable verbal abuse; the failure to furnish proper shelter, nourishment, medical treatment, or emotional support; incest; other cases of sexual molestation or rape; and the making of child pornography. Frequently described by the medical profession as the “battered-child syndrome,” abusive treatment of children is almost universally proscribed by criminal statutes. Child abuse can have serious future consequences for the victims involved. Delays in physical growth, impaired language and cognitive abilities, and problems in personality development, learning, and behavior are common following instances of child abuse or neglect.Encyclopedia Britannica, 1998

    Comment: None of the criteria of child-abuse applies to the noble life of the Prophet (pbuh). There is no single incident of any infliction of pain and suffering by the prophet on Aisha or any other human being for that matter. Neither any instance of verbal or sexual abuse can be concluded from the relationship of the prophet with Aisha ® or any of his wives.

    An abused child can have serious future consequences…delayed physical growth, impaired language..learning and behavior…etc (above definition). As one examines the chaste life of Aisha ®, her personality, physical, mental and spiritual development are all contrary to that of an abused child. In fact through the Prophet’s marriage and his guidance to Aisha, history testifies that she should be labeled not as an abused child but as a ‘blessed child’.

    After analyzing and refuting the accusations against the noble character of Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him), the only viable alternative left with us is:
    C. The Prophet married Aisha for the benefit of Islam and Humanity.

    Lets analyze…

    The Prophet married Aisha primarily for three reasons:
    To reinforce the friendly relations already existing with Abu Bakr (his closest companion).
    To educate and train Aisha so she may serve the purposes of Islam.
    To teach her to utilize her capabilities for the sake of Islam.
    Her Marriage with the prophet was a Wahi (Divine Revelation). She, herself relates from the Prophet, ‘He said, “I saw you in dreams three times. The angel brought you to me and you were clad in white silk. He (the angel) said that it was your consort and he (angel) showed me by opening your face. You are just like that…” Sahih Muslim, Vol.2, p.285.

    Aisha ® was born after her parents had embraced Islam. Therefore, she was free from the defilement of polytheism right from her birth.

    In her youth, already known for her striking beauty and her formidable memory, she came under the loving care and attention of the Prophet himself. As his wife and close companion she acquired from him knowledge and insight such as no woman has ever acquired.

    Aishah lived on almost fifty years after the passing away of the Prophet. She had been his wife for a decade. Much of this time was spent in learning and acquiring knowledge of the two most important sources of God’s guidance, the Quran and the Sunnah of His Prophet. Aishah ® was one of the three wives (the other two being Hafsa ® and Umm Salamah ®) who memorized the Revelation. Like Hafsa ®, she had her own script of the Quran written after the Prophet had died.

    So far as the Hadith or sayings of the Prophet is concerned, Aishah ® is one of four persons (the others being Abu Hurrah, Abdullah ibn Umar, and Ana ibn Malik) who transmitted more than two thousand sayings. From her, 2210 Hadith have come, out of which 174 Hadith are commonly agreed upon by both Bukhari and Muslim. Many of her transmissions pertain to some of the most intimate aspects of personal behavior which only someone in Aishah’s position could have learnt. What is most important is that her knowledge of Hadith was passed on in written form by at least three persons including her nephew Urwah who became one of the greatest scholars among the generation after the Companions. It is the claim of the Scholars of Islam that without her, half of the Ilm-I-Hadith [knowledge, understanding of the Hadith (and Islam)] would have perished.

    Many of the learned companions of the Prophet and their followers benefited from Aishah’s knowledge. Abu Musa al-Ashari once said: “If we companions of the Messenger of God had any difficulty on a matter, we asked Aisha about it.”
    “Yahya related to me from Malik from Yahya ibn Said from Said ibn al-Musayyab that Abu Musa al-Ashari came to Aishah, the wife of the Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, and said to her, “The disagreement of the companions in a matter which I hate to bring before you has distressed me.” She said, “What is that? You did not ask your mother about it, so ask me.” He said, “A man penetrates his wife, but becomes listless and does not ejaculate. “She said, “When the circumcised part passes the circumcised part ghusl is obligatory.” Abu Musa added, “I shall never ask anyone about this after you.” Al-Muwatta of Imam Malik Hadith 2.75
    Arwa Bin Zubair says, “I did not find anyone more proficient (than Aisha ®) in the knowledge of the Holy Quran, the Commandments of Halal (lawful) and Haram (prohibited), Ilmul-Ansab and Arabic poetry. That is why, even senior companions of the Prophet used to consult Aisha ® in resolving intricate issued”.Jala-ul-Afham by Ibn Qaiyem and Ibn Sa’ad, Vol.2, p.26

    Abu Musa al-Ashari says: “Never had we (the companions) had any difficulty for the solution of which we approached Aisha and did not get some useful information from her”.Sirat-I-Aisha, on the authority of Trimidhi, pg. 163

    As a teacher she had a clear and persuasive manner of speech and her power of oratory has been described in superlative terms by al-Ahnaf who said: “I have heard speeches of Abu Bakr and Umar, Uthman and Ali and the Khulafa up to this day, but I have not heard speech more persuasive and more beautiful from the mouth of any person than from the mouth of Aishah.”

    The Prophet said, “The superiority of ‘Aisha to other ladies is like the superiority of Tharid (i.e. meat and bread dish) to other meals. Many men reached the level of perfection, but no woman reached such a level except Mary, the daughter of Imran and Asia, the wife of Pharaoh.” Sahih Al-Bukhari Hadith, Narrated by Abu Musa Al Ashari Hadith 4.643
    Musa Ibn Talha ® says, “I did not see anyone more eloquent than Aisha ®” Mustadrak of Hakim, Vol.4,p.11

    Men and women came from far and wide to benefit from her knowledge.

    Aisha’s great interest in the study of the Qur’an is understandable. She was an eye-witness to a number of revelations and had therefore a clear idea of the circumstances in which they were revealed. It was on her bed alone (and no other consort’s) that the Prophet received Wahi (Divine Revelations) several times. This helped her in interpreting the verses.

    At the time of the Prophet’s death, the Prophet’s head was on her lap. It was in her quarters that the Prophet was buried.

    The life of Aishah (R) is a proof that a woman can be far more learned than men and that she can be the teacher of scholars and experts. Her life is also a proof that a woman can exert influence over men and women and provide them with inspiration and leadership. Aisha (R) is a continuing inspiration and role model to today’s youth who are diligently searching for an example amongst the pop stars, movie actresses and sports stars. May the memory of her’s live forever in the heart of the Muslim Ummah and may Allah grant her the highest abode in Paradise…Aameen.

    Conclusion:

    It was the aforementioned qualities of Aisha ® and the Prophet’s guidance in molding these capabilities for the service of Islam, were the main reasons, why the Prophet Married young Aisha ®, and not the perverted reasons brought forth by misguided orientalists.

    Muslims invite all sincere humans to study the life of Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon) in the light of the authentic sources of the Quran and the Sunnah (exemplary sayings and deeds of the Prophet) and judge for themselves where the truth lies. Indeed, by recognizing the truth of Islam as the final and complete Guidance sent by our Creator can humanity find lasting peace in this world and a means of salvation from the hell fire in the hereafter.

    “I have studied him – the wonderful man and in my opinion far from being an anti-Christ, he must be called the Savior of Humanity. I believe that if a man like him were to assume the dictatorship of the modern world, he would succeed in solving its problems in a way that would bring it the much needed peace and happiness: I have prophesied about the faith of Muhammad that it would be acceptable to the Europe of tomorrow as it is beginning to be acceptable to the Europe of today.” George Bernard Shaw, THE GENUINE ISLAM, Vol. 1, No. 81936.

    Though, the Prophet is not among us in his flesh, but his exemplary life has been preserved for all humanity to follow.

    When Truth comes Falsehood disappears, Islam came, now Shirk (polytheism) must clear

    Welcome to Islam…

    change ur religion fast kuldeep before u burst in hinduism

    Comment by asmin indian — August 25, 2008 @ 6:52 pm

  76. Why did prophet Mohammad (pbuh) marry many wives, and who were they, their names and brief background on each one of them (may Allah bless them all).

    When people hear that the prophet had many wives they conclude without much thought that the prophet was a sensuous man. However, a quick historical review of his marriages, proves otherwise.

    When he was twenty-five years old he married for the first time. His wife, Khadijah, was fifteen years older than he. She remained the only wife of the prophet for the next twenty-five years, until she died (may Allah be pleased with her).

    Only after her death, did the prophet marry other women. Now, it is obvious that if the prophet was after physical pleasure he did not have to wait until he was more than fifty years old to start marrying more wives. He lived in a society in which it was quite acceptable to have many wives. But the prophet remained devoted to his only wife for twenty-five years. When she died she was sixty-five years old.

    His later marriages were for various reasons. Some marriages were with the view to help the women whose husbands had been killed while they were defending their faith. Others were with a view to cement relationships with devoted followers like Abu Bakr, may Allah be pleased with him. Yet others were to build bridges with various tribes who were otherwise at war with the Muslims. When the prophet became their relative through marriage, their hostilities calmed down, and much bloodshed was averted.

    Recent non-Muslim writers who had the opportunity to study the life of the prophet first-hand reach a similar conclusion about his plural marriages.

    John L. Esposito, Professor of Religion and Director of the Centre for International Studies at the College of the Holy Cross, says that most of these marriages had “political and social motives” (Islam: The Straight Path, Oxford University Press, 1988, p. 19). This he explained as follows: “As was customary for Arab chiefs, many were political marriages to cement alliances. Others were marriages to the widows of his companions who had fallen in combat and were in need of protection” (John L. Esposito, Islam: The Straight Path, pp. 19-20). Esposito reminds us of the following historical fact: “Though less common, polygyny was also permitted in biblical and even in postbiblical Judaism. From Abraham, David, and Solomon down to the reformation period, polygyny was practiced” (p. 19).

    Another non-Muslim Caesar E. Farah writes as follows: “In the prime of his youth and adult years Muhammad remained thoroughly devoted to Khadijah and would have none other for consort. This was an age that looked upon plural marriages with favor and in a society that in pre-Biblical and post-Biblical days considered polygamy an essential feature of social existence. David had six wives and numerous concubines (2 Samuel 5:13; 1 Chronicles 3:1-9, 14:3) and Solomon was said to have had as many as 700 wives and 300 concubines (1 Kings 11:3). Solomon’s son Rehoboam had 18 wives and 60 concubines (2 Chronicles 11:21). The New Testament contains no specific injunction against plural marriages. It was commonplace for the nobility among the Christians and Jews to contract plural marriages. Luther spoke of it with toleration” (Caesar E. Farah, Islam: Beliefs and Observances, 4th edition, Barron’s, U.S. 1987, p. 69). Caesar Farah then concluded that Muhammad’s plural marriages were due “partly to political reasons and partly to his concern for the wives of his companions who had fallen in battle defending the nascent Islamic community” (p. 69

    Comment by asmin indian — August 25, 2008 @ 6:55 pm

  77. kuldeep read both of them shoo .. no more questions about islam …… ask about land

    Comment by asmin indian — August 25, 2008 @ 6:56 pm

  78. ***asmin indian***

    Deny this truth:

    *You called your brothers from Afghanistan and Pakistan to fight because you cowards were not good enough to fight India.
    *Pakistanis and Afghanis…took your sisters and got them pregnent and they used to come to Jammu to flush your baby brothers and sisters.
    *you gave them shelter inyour homes and they bit you and your families…then you realised what mistake you did.
    *You are cornered in India and world, you have closed doors on India and we INDIANS will pay you back in same coin.
    *Now our time has come and i caution you…..PLEASE DONT CRY…!!

    Comment by Voice Of Jammu — August 25, 2008 @ 6:56 pm

  79. more over kuldeep remain out cz debate is held with intelligent ppl . so plz shoo

    Comment by asmin indian — August 25, 2008 @ 6:59 pm

  80. ***asmin indian***

    I should say you are produce of “COWARD” parents and generations.

    Your ancestors who got converted 300 years back during the time of Aurangzeb did so because of fear…….. so all MUSLIMS including you KASHMIRI MUSLIMS are cowards.

    Thanks god i am not one of you…!!! Infact lets talk about INTELLIGENCE here…

    What have you Kashmiri Muslims given to India and your society?

    :) Jihadis :)

    Comment by Voice Of Jammu — August 25, 2008 @ 7:08 pm

  81. Asmin,

    We all know lives have been lost from both side, it is survival of fittest now.
    If you would have asked my opinion couple of weeks back I would have said “LET INDIA LEAVE KASHMIR” , yes even being KP.
    But after reading history and understand ISLAM, what it brought to world I will now say that INDIA should ever leave kashmir.
    Because if India leaves it then we may suffer, let our Army fight against TERRORIST.

    I understand how it pains when some one says something bad about your family/god but we are helpless as world says it and we can’t ignore it because it has hit us.
    I respect your WOMEN folks but I was shocked to hear what ISLAM has for women.

    I never used to believe any religion but after know ISLAM from various resource written by people across world my eyes have opened, I have started looking in Quran/Geeta ….
    I am SHOCKED to see
    http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

    I can be more blunt but I don’t want to offend you more, since you seem to have moved across globe I think you are smart enough to understand what is correct/incorrect.

    Geelani claims that he represents you all and he clearly says that he wants ISLAM to rule your lives , what does that mean?

    Sorry to say that you invited trouble and you are paying for it. You started with KP’s killling , do you forget that?

    Did you ever spoke about KP’s killing army men’s killing?

    Peace.

    Comment by Vicky — August 25, 2008 @ 7:09 pm

  82. talk about land or else its no debate here n go to drink sm cow urine ………… if u hav smthng bout land let me knw else talk to my hand …………im feelin sleepy

    Comment by asmin indian — August 25, 2008 @ 7:11 pm

  83. Asmin,

    #more over kuldeep remain out cz debate is held with intelligent ppl . so plz shoo

    we never were knowing all the facts but the west has opened the eyes to the world…

    http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
    Do you say this is crap ?

    Are all these books wrong, why don’t you sue the authors if it is wrong .
    http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Pages/Bookstore.htm

    If you prove they are wrong entire INDIA will fight for your cause.

    Comment by Vicky — August 25, 2008 @ 7:15 pm

  84. ***asmin indian***

    Check your first post on this site it is YOU who came and started ranting.

    Now if you still rant you will get back from me……

    Keep your tone ok and you will get ok response…choice is yours but kashmir is ours..we will not let it go even if we have to now deal with all of you, we will make you cry in kashmir and outside :)

    Comment by Voice Of Jammu — August 25, 2008 @ 7:16 pm

  85. #talk about land or else its no debate here n go to drink sm cow urine

    I am glad that I drink cow urine.
    Go and sleep, you should not waste time here.

    Comment by Vicky — August 25, 2008 @ 7:17 pm

  86. ***asmin indian***

    Baby we have not imposed blockade yet or you all will be forced to drink your urine and eat pigs for your survival….. :)

    Comment by Voice Of Jammu — August 25, 2008 @ 7:18 pm

  87. I think we all have passed enough message, it is survival of fittest now.
    There FATHER Pakistan can’t do anything now ;)

    Peace.

    Comment by Vicky — August 25, 2008 @ 7:19 pm

  88. i responded in a perfect manner to what was already written there ……………u r most welcome cowards dats y u fled this wattan of ours ……… inshallah we will see whose land is it………bad nite fr u .i cn undrstnd ……lol

    Comment by asmin indian — August 25, 2008 @ 7:19 pm

  89. ***asmin indian***

    You will not imrpove….and keep thinking how will you be when you come out of Kashmir….. however we will have enough flow of condoms in Kashmir Valley so that your sisters are safe from Afgani Aids and are producing less Jihadis.

    Comment by Voice Of Jammu — August 25, 2008 @ 7:22 pm

  90. ***asmin indian***

    You produce of chopped dicks…. you are allowed to marry countless times… i just pity you…. you dont know what your real identiy is…. carry on but produce less jihadis for India.

    Comment by Voice Of Jammu — August 25, 2008 @ 7:26 pm

  91. ya i have a gud thing to worsen ur sleepless nights frm now ………take this
    n i promise no more religious fights .. talk land n dat too if u hav any justifications otherwise u guys r nt worth even writing for any blog
    Does Hinduism Teach That
    All Religions Are The Same?
    A Philosophical Critique of Radical Universalism
    It is by no means an exaggeration to say that the ancient religion of Hinduism has been one of the least understood religious traditions in the history of world religion. The sheer number of stereotypes, misconceptions and outright false notions about what Hinduism teaches, as well as about the precise practices and behavior that it asks of its followers, out-number those of any other religion currently known. Leaving the more obviously grotesque crypto-colonialist caricatures of cow-worshipping, caste domination and “sutee” aside, even many of the most fundamental theological and philosophical foundations of Hinduism often remain inexplicable mysteries to the general public and supposed scholars of Hindu Studies. More disturbing, however, is the fact that many wild misconceptions about the beliefs of Hinduism are prevalent even among the bulk of purported followers of Hinduism and, alarmingly, even to many purportedly learned spiritual teachers, gurus and swamis who claim to lead the religion in present times.

    Of the many current peculiar concepts mistakenly ascribed to Hindu theology, one of the most widely misunderstood is the idea that Hinduism somehow teaches that all religions are equal…that all religions are the same, with the same purpose, goal, experientially tangible salvific state, and object of ultimate devotion. So often has this notion been thoughtlessly repeated by so many – from the common Hindu parent to the latest swamiji arriving on American shores yearning for a popular following – that it has now become artificially transformed into a supposed foundation stone of modern Hindu teachings. Many Hindus are now completely convinced that this is actually what Hinduism teaches.

    Despite its widespread popular repetition, however, does Hinduism actually teach the idea that all religions are really the same? Even a cursory examination of the long history of Hindu philosophical thought, as well as an objective analysis of the ultimate logical implications of such a proposition, quickly makes it quite apparent that traditional Hinduism has never supported such an idea.

    The doctrine of what I call “Radical Universalism” makes the claim that “all religions are the same.” This dogmatic assertion is of very recent origin, and has become one of the most harmful misconceptions in the Hindu world in the last 150 or so years. It is a doctrine that has directly led to a self-defeating philosophical relativism that has, in turn, weakened the stature and substance of Hinduism to its very core. The doctrine of Radical Universalism has made Hindu philosophy look infantile in the eyes of non-Hindus, has led to a collective state of self-revulsion, confusion and shame in the minds of too many Hindu youth, and has opened the Hindu community to be preyed upon much more easily by the zealous missionaries of other religions. The problem of Radical Universalism is arguably the most important issue facing the global Hindu community today. In the following, we will perform an in-depth examination of the intrinsic fallacies contained in this inherently non-Hindu idea, as well as the untold damage that Radical Universalism has wrought in modern Hinduism.

    What’s a Kid to Do?(like kuldeep n voice of india )

    Indian Hindu parents are to be given immense credit. The daily challenges that typical Hindu parents face in encouraging their children to maintain their commitment to Hinduism are enormous and very well-known. Hindu parents try their best to observe fidelity to the religion of their ancestors, often having little understanding of the religion themselves other than what was given to them, in turn, by their own parents. All too many Indian Hindu youth, on the other hand, find themselves un-attracted to a religion that is little comprehended or respected by most of those around them

    Comment by asmin indian — August 25, 2008 @ 7:34 pm

  92. i m closing on this blog as u hav nthng true to say ………… this blog was for land n not for ur callous approach towards ur learnings … before writing into a blog u must be fully aware of facts ….. lemme knw if u require my briefs n boxers to wipe tears off ur family’s eyes……………. bye

    Comment by asmin indian — August 25, 2008 @ 7:38 pm

  93. ***asmin indian***

    I dont have to read to shit you splatter around… Just remember.

    We hate you now…and will show no mercy…you eat indian….you live on our land…you get education here…. you shout Pakistan Zindabad….

    Its time you get beaten up so that you asses comes out and we garland you with your asses….

    Tighten up your ass… time for some kicking…!!!

    You will be beated in Kashmir and ourside also…!! Hate me for that…. :)

    Comment by Voice Of Jammu — August 25, 2008 @ 7:39 pm

  94. asmin ….

    insh ullu …. ur muhammed … piss be upon him ( pbuh ) is a pedophile … who should have been hanged ….

    u cowards have given even your dignity to pak-shaitan … and now u dont even have the balls to take up arms …

    have u lost the will to fight ??
    although that what u did is hardly fighting … killin women and children … and funny suicides… that too to get 72 hoories in hell …. thats the most funny thing i have ever heard …

    behenchod … randiyon ke liye bachchon ki jaan lete ho … madarchod …

    jaake apni foofi ki ladki chodo naa ….

    … all this shows ur cowardice … u had no good intention anyhow …

    kashmiri moslems are a pathetic breed who have no courage … they sell their mothers and sisters so that katue from paki-shaitan … and taliban can fight for u …..

    they only come and have fun with ur women … while u watch … :) :) :) ….

    thats some azaadi u are fighting for there …

    even if in ur dream u get it …. even then u will watch ur mother and sister getting fucked by maulvis and talibanis … while u will be stoned to death …. :)

    OPEN UR EYES …

    LEAVE THIS RELIGION ..

    Comment by chandra — August 25, 2008 @ 7:42 pm

  95. NICE ANALYSIS…. READ BOTH OF THEM…. BUT WAS WONDERING WHY ARE U EXPLAINING ME THIS…. I ALREADY KNOW IT AND ALL….. I WANTED YOUR ANSWER THAT U GAVE ME IN FIRST SENTENCE

    >>kuldeep Quran is not for our generation only ………… times keep on changing but the Holy Quran doesnt ……

    NOW COMES THE OTHER QUESTION CAN U CHANGE IT TO SUITE PRESENT GENERATION… CAN YOU MOLD IT….. IF YES PLEASE DO IT …. IF NO THEN RECONSIDER MY REQUEST OF LEAVING ISLAM…..

    ALI SINA SAID IN ONE OF THE BOOKS I WILL QUOTE HIM BELOW:

    “REFORMING ISLAM IS IMPOSSIBLE. ISLAM IS LIKE A BRITTLE STONE. YOU CAN’T MOLD IT BUT YOU CAN SMASH IT INTO PIECES AND PULVERIZE IT. MUSLIMS ARE AWARE OF THE VULNERABILITY AND THAT IS WHY THEY ARE SO INTOLERANT OF CRITICISM.
    ISLAM IS LIKE A TALL BUILDING, ERECTED ON QUICKSAND; ONCE YOU EXPOSE ITS FOUNDATION, THE SAND WILL WASH AWAY AND THE MIGHTY EDIFICE WILL FALL UNDER ITS OWN WEIGHT.
    WHEN ALI SINA WAS ASKED WHETHER ISLAM HAS FUTURE, HIS RESPONSE WAS: “YES! IT BELONGS IN THE DUSTBIN OF HISTORY”

    above words are words from Ali Sina the author of book understanding Muhammad…..

    NOW TAKE TIME TO THINK……. AND RELAX AND COME BACK WE WILL BE HERE TO GUIDE YOU….

    Comment by Kuldeep — August 25, 2008 @ 7:46 pm

  96. To All Indians,

    Where ever you see Kashmiri Muslims (Snakes) beat them …. its time they get azadi..!!

    Throw them out of your towns where ever you see them… dont rent them your houses if they come to your town for work…. dont give them admission if they come to your town for studies…. just boycott them…. dont buy their Kashmiri Apples, Cherry, Shawls, carpets or any thing Kashmiri…. All this produce is Kashmiri Muslim produce.

    *************BOYCOTT KASHMIRI GOODS ********************

    Comment by Voice Of Jammu — August 25, 2008 @ 7:50 pm

  97. BTW IN WHAT WAY COW URINE IS BETTER THAN THE CAMELS URINE THAT MUHAMMAD ORDERED HIS PEOPLE TO DRINK READ QURAN……

    UNDERSTAND MUHAMMAD
    ANIL

    Comment by koul Anil — August 25, 2008 @ 8:00 pm

  98. anil jee you missed not the sentence should have read as
    ” BTW IN WHAT WAY COW URINE IS not BETTER THAN THE CAMELS URINE THAT MUHAMMAD ORDERED HIS PEOPLE TO DRINK READ QURAN……

    i guess muhammad asked them to drink camels urine as medicine and get cured…….
    who knows u may have scientific breakthrough in camels urine…….
    HA HA HA funny….
    ashok

    Comment by ASHOK Bhat — August 25, 2008 @ 8:21 pm

  99. #asmin indian

    thanks for pedophile definition…

    anyways Aisha document is only a well known, what to say about those jewish children’s which Mohammed… as well as his ‘Holy’ companion has taken as sex slaves ?

    Comment by PM — August 25, 2008 @ 8:29 pm

  100. Thanks ashok jee for correcting me… I forgot to put the link here from quran where i read it… here it is … Asmin now answer…. they even killed the shephard too: sic muhammmad…. read it by clicking link below:

    http://www.muhammadanism.org/Hadith/Topics/Medicine.htm

    Have fun…. and dont be surprised that we Kashmiri pandits know ur quran better than u…. ha ha ha thanks to internet…. I am sure now mullas should do fatwa to internet also….. because quran didnot talk about internet abandon it….. muhammad doesnot want us to read anything in the internet….. can i see the tears in ur eyes….

    Anil

    Comment by koul anil — August 25, 2008 @ 8:36 pm

  101. :) Name of MOHAMMED’s Bride Bride’s age at marriage Comments :)

    Khadija bint khawilad 40 Twice widowed before
    Sauda Bint Zama 50 Widow
    Aisha bint Abu Bakr 9 Started living with the prophet at the age of 9.
    Hafsa Bint Umar bin Khattab 22 Widow
    Zainab bint Khuzaima 30
    Umm-I-Salma bint Abu Umayia 26 Widow
    Zainab Bint Jahash 38 Widow
    Juwaeria Bint Harith 20 Widow
    Umm-I-Habiba bint Abu Sufyan 36 Widow
    Marya Qibtiya bint shamun 17 Virgin, Egyptian
    Safia bint Hayi bin Akhtab 17 Widow
    Raihana bint umru bin hanafa Not available
    Maimuna bint harith 36 Widow

    Comment by Voice Of Jammu — August 25, 2008 @ 8:37 pm

  102. *********** Can You Believe This *************

    But it was the PDP that cleared the land for Amarnath pilgrims. Did they suddenly go secular before the issue blew up?

    The PDP is a separatist and anti-national organisation and it will play dubious politics always. It is Mufti who carried out the healing touch policy in Kashmir. As a result, India has emerged as the only country that gives pensions to the family of slain militants. Mufti also talked of putting Baglihar power project under the joint control of India and Pakistan, which is simply not acceptable to us.

    http://week.manoramaonline.com/cgi-bin/MMOnline.dll/portal/ep/theWeekContent.do?BV_ID=@@@&contentType=EDITORIAL&sectionName=Current%20Events&programId=1073754900&contentId=4418350

    Comment by Voice Of Jammu — August 25, 2008 @ 8:42 pm

  103. Great job guys …. but please let us not hurt their feelings too much…. they know the truth but it is hard to accept it….. give them time and i am sure they will abandon stone age religion ISLAm…..

    I love muslims as they are Humans like us only if they dont have ISLAM in their hearts…. because ISLAM is Satan in their lives that has ruined them………

    please love them and help them…… muslims need it most and teach them and support them…..

    Kuldeep

    Comment by Kuldeep — August 25, 2008 @ 8:43 pm

  104. #VOJ

    they are so called “ligitimate” wifes…. it does not count sex slaves, which were as small as infant….

    Khomeini had really placed a heavy weight over this… that Why is a men is allowed to have sex with a child as small as infant in his book…. “Resaleh” (Towzih ol Masael); his point was that it is allowed because Mohammed [ Peace be upon that poor soul, he really require many prayers for him else he will burn forever for bringing such evil and perverted ideology in this world. ] did it……

    anyways, Khomeini was a smaller devil.. he did had considered a bit about the victim against Mohammed who tried to make death of his victims as painful as possible…. like he told Prince charles… that they will not stone peoples in city center rather will choose hanging as a punishment, which is less painful….

    other such lesser devilness of khomeini is in his book… where is allowed having sex with child as small as infant, but also told that if the child got any physical damage … then the person that had intercourse must bear all the cost …. he also removed the ambiguity by adding ….. that the damged child will be counted as a ligitimate wife (but not include in 4 …. but a extra legitimate one)… and the husband has no right to marry sister-in-law of damaged child. …

    Comment by PM — August 25, 2008 @ 8:48 pm

  105. *******************************
    Only after her death, did the prophet marry other women. Now, it is obvious that if the prophet was after physical pleasure he did not have to wait until he was more than fifty years old to start marrying more wives
    *******************************

    The reasoning I read in internet goes as , may be some one paste the link here for you

    Reason:
    Since his first wife was rich and would expect the full loyality from Mahumad , opposing her would mean losing the power and money .

    Yes this looks more logical than what asmin had given.

    I am just trying to understand why world is coming with different reasons.

    We all love you ;)

    Comment by Vicky — August 25, 2008 @ 8:52 pm

  106. Damn it so many guys know ISLAM now, thanks to internet ;)

    Comment by Vicky — August 25, 2008 @ 8:54 pm

  107. Kuldeep: You know we all have weakness we love humanity and life ……. History has it when ever we have been good to this community they have bitten us like a snake….. example is “prithviraj Chauhan” and many more KP’s are one more example….
    Tell me honestly will you be able to go back to kashmir and live beside these snakes?

    20years is a long time and generation has passed…if these snakes can not give 100 acers ….they are not tolerant of any other society…. so lets shun any love or affection for them and their religion we have lost enough and 5 LK hindus have died every single day they have been out of kashmir.

    Lets hate them like they hate us and india… I am voice of Jammu and will not tolerate them any more if need be will pay them back in same way.

    Comment by Voice Of Jammu — August 25, 2008 @ 8:58 pm

  108. #I am voice of Jammu and will not tolerate them any more if need be will pay them back in #same way.

    Let us see what treatment they get this time in darbar move, i will be in jammu at that time.
    I am curious to watch how they will change the color.

    Comment by Vicky — August 25, 2008 @ 9:07 pm

  109. “I am curious to watch how they will change the color”

    dont be surprised if they start wearing saffron color… !!

    Comment by Voice Of Jammu — August 25, 2008 @ 9:11 pm

  110. you illetrate bastards. why are you targetting religion when its a political war about the land. talking about prophet and his life? atleast our prophet was human . u silly blind people. what about ur religion? clearly hindusim is just a big myth , who the hell worships a monkey? hanuman is it? surely stupid pigs like u. and wot abou thte other , the blue one? hahahah man ur religion has no base. your just jealous of islam . go read the quran not that ur worth it.. everything written in it is what the worlds made up of . scientists are also proving that the qurans theories are true.

    i dont care about the war going on , dont care about india or pakistan. or the fucking land. but u have to stop disgracing other reliigions. spit out your hatred and THINK. be thankfull that im giving u a moment to realize what you keep on saying. your making a place for urself in hell . when you die and youll see the truth u will repent and there will be no turning back. thisll be my first and last post here. i donot care if u hate me and start cursing me , not that i give a fuck , go on waste your time. but u will have to pay for it one day. inshallah

    PEACE

    Comment by The Pacifist — August 25, 2008 @ 10:34 pm

  111. and about the “hanging the kafir” talk uv mentioned .u twats.

    Allah does not order the Muslims to fight disbelievers- . The Qur’an commands Muslims to stick up for themselves in a defensive battle — i.e. if an enemy army attacks, then Muslims are to fight against that army until they stop their aggression. All of the verses that speak about fighting/war in the Qur’an are in this context. no one says HAN G A KAFIR. READ SURA KAFIROON ( the disbelievers)

    Sura – 109 The Disbelievers (Al-Kaaferoon)
    Order Of Revelation 18, Verses: 6

    [109:0] In the name of God, Most Gracious, Most Merciful

    [109:1] Say, “O you disbelievers.

    [109:2] “I do not worship what you worship.

    [109:3] “Nor do you worship what I worship.

    [109:4] “Nor will I ever worship what you worship.

    [109:5] “Nor will you ever worship what I worship.

    [109:6] “To you is your religion, and to me is my religion.”

    do u understand what it says? i hope so , its in the easiest words ever.

    Comment by The Pacifist — August 25, 2008 @ 10:58 pm

  112. Dear Pacifist…….

    I am proud that u have a great vocubulary….. I never uttered a bad word against any human…..

    I was wondering that Is Allah the name borrowed by Muhammad for the Pagan God of moon…… wondered why?

    Moon helps in night time robberies…….

    Muhammad promised you all after death…. I will be happy in hell if all I look forward to 70 Virgins in heaven …… What did he promise you on the sacred earth…… Nothing……

    May god help you in ur quest for truth…..

    Thinking will help you— think and reason…….

    I wont take land with me after death and neither will you…… so u enjoy the promisland or Virgins……
    god be with you…….

    Comment by Koul Anil — August 25, 2008 @ 11:31 pm

  113. forgot to give you link: here it is just in case:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4u9L6eRau-g

    watch it is a nice movie……

    “Is it possible muhammad was working in the nights looting and raping….. he needed some light and the moon was very helpful…. this is my thought not from Internet”

    Have fun…..
    Anil

    Comment by Koul Anil — August 25, 2008 @ 11:43 pm

  114. Anil,

    you base all ur thinkings on some crapy videos? READ:

    The early Muslim community did not really have a symbol. During the time of the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him), Islamic armies and caravans flew simple solid-colored flags (generally black, green, or white) for identification purposes. In later generations, the Muslim leaders continued to use a simple black, white, or green flag with no markings, writing, or symbolism on it.

    It wasn’t until the Ottoman Empire that the crescent moon and star became affiliated with the Muslim world. When the Turks conquered Constantinople (Istanbul) in 1453, they adopted the city’s existing flag and symbol. Legend holds that the founder of the Ottoman Empire, Osman, had a dream in which the crescent moon stretched from one end of the earth to the other. Taking this as a good omen, he chose to keep the crescent and make it the symbol of his dynasty. There is speculation that the five points on the star represent the five pillars of Islam, but this is pure conjecture. The five points were not standard on the Ottoman flags, and as you will see on the following page, it is still not standard on flags used in the Muslim world today.

    For hundreds of years, the Ottoman Empire ruled over the Muslim world. After centuries of battle with Christian Europe, it is understandable how the symbols of this empire became linked in people’s minds with the faith of Islam as a whole.

    Based on this history, many Muslims reject using the crescent moon as a symbol of Islam. The faith of Islam has historically had no symbol, and many refuse to accept what is essentially an ancient pagan icon. It is certainly not in uniform use among Muslims.

    Comment by The Pacifist — August 25, 2008 @ 11:56 pm

  115. thats where the moon part comes from? Allah is simply a name given to what u call GOD , by muslims. Its just fair dont u think ? u have a god(s ! ) too right? how about u tell me something about them? how can u even talk about islam with ur petty knowledge , when ur own religion is a BIG LIE. it doesnt even make sense for gods sake. flying monkeys? 6 headed god? 7 armed goddess? and what not. lmao id prefer harry potter.

    Comment by The Pacifist — August 26, 2008 @ 12:03 am

  116. mR pACIFIST…. WHAT EVER THAT MEANS????

    dOESENT ALLAH MEAN PAGAN MOON GOD…..?????

    iF no –ARE ALL THE PEOPLE ON INTERNET GONE CRAZY…. WRITING ABOUT IT…. UNLESS THERE IS SOMETHING….

    hAVE U GOT A CHANCE TO HEAR WAFA SULTAN…. sHE IS DAMN GOOD…..

    HAPPY WATCHING…. JUST GOOGLE WAFA SULTAN… OR TALK TO aLI sINA ex mUSLIM http://WWW.FAITHFREEDOM.ORG …THEY WILL ANSWER YOU BETTER

    AS FAR AS LAND IS CONCERNED….. WE CAN ARGUE ANY TIME…
    GOD BE WITH U…

    aNIL

    Comment by koul Anil — August 26, 2008 @ 12:04 am

  117. and im not on a quest for truth . i have FOUND the truth i needed and that is islam. something high above all of us , with all due respect to other religions, even if some are cleary not worth worshiping in the first place (!) .

    Comment by The Pacifist — August 26, 2008 @ 12:15 am

  118. lol yeah these people are just culprits. im sure you can find such videos about almost every religion!! y does everybody hate muslims and islam? yeah ofcourse they link islam with terrorism , which i would say is a misfortune for us , that such so called “jihadis” have portrayed islam in an evil way. you cant even imagine how beautiful this religion is. but im not here to talk about that. all im saying is STOP with the name calling , its only for ur good. GOD wathces all , thats i have to say.

    Comment by The Pacifist — August 26, 2008 @ 12:18 am

  119. lol did u just say “pacifist , wahtever that means? lmao you want to debate on islam , when u dont even know simple words? and btw its MISS pacifist

    Comment by The Pacifist — August 26, 2008 @ 12:20 am

  120. DEAR PACIFIST WHAT EVER THAT MEANS????

    THEN ALL THE BEST AND I AM SURE U ARE THINKING U WILL BE VERY HAPPY MAN AFTER DEATH…. WHEN U GET 70 VIRGINS IN HEAVEN….. WHAT ABOUT UR LADIES DO THEY GET 70 STUDS TOO. SRY FOR MY LANGUAGE, BUT DIDNOT KNOW HOW TO ASK WHAT UR LADIES GET IN HEAVEN…..

    GOD BLESS YOU HAS BEEN GREAT DISCUSSION WITH YOU SO FAR AND LOOKING FOR LOT MORE…….

    ANIL

    Comment by koul Anil — August 26, 2008 @ 12:20 am

  121. clearly ur just a hot blooded hindu who has nothing nice to say except bad mouth islam for the sake of his contentment. you arent even reading my posts well , iam not a man. stop rubbing in the “70 virgin part”. i feel sorry for you.

    Comment by The Pacifist — August 26, 2008 @ 12:26 am

  122. (plaigarised)

    “The most appropriate answer to this is given by brother Moin Amjad at this article of his website Understanding Islam. Some people might ask this question also, as to according to Quran, ‘What’s in it for women if men are provided for, by over 70 virgins?’

    The Qur’an, while referring to the rewards of the pious in the Hereafter, has categorically stated that:

    1. All persons – men as well as women – shall be fully rewarded for their deeds and shall not be wronged in the least (Aal Imraan 3: 195, Al-Nisaa 4: 124, Al-Nahl 16: 97, Ghaafir 40: 40);
    2. They shall get all that they may desire and all that they can ask for, as a first gift from God. His blessings would follow subsequently (Fussilat 41: 31); and
    3. They – (men as well as women) – shall have perfected mates/counterparts/spouses ( Arabic: Azwajun Mutahharatun) as a reward of their deeds (Al-Baqarah 2: 25, Aal Imraan 3: 15, Al-Nisaa 4: 57).

    As should be obvious from the above points, there is absolutely no difference in the reward of men and women, as it is mentioned in the Qur’an. Furthermore, it may be noted that the Qur’an has not mentioned anything about ‘70 huries’. The Qur’an has only mentioned ‘perfected spouses/counterparts’. The numerical value of 70 is derived from a Quranic commentary by Ibn kathir.

    Comment by The Pacifist — August 26, 2008 @ 12:38 am

  123. VERY INTERESTING MAUHTRAMA PACIFIST……
    HERE ARE APPROPRIATE QUOTES FOR UR RELIGIOUS TEXTS…… READ THEM

    “I have seen that the majority of the dwellers of Hell-Fire were women….[because] they are ungrateful to their husbands and they are deficient in intelligence. ” (The Prophet Muhammad) Sahih Bukhari V 2, B 24, N 541

    You say that these are not ‘real Islam’ and the Islamic writers at NFB are dying to assert that those actions by the Mullahs of Iran are distorted images of Islam. To find the truth we just need to look at the Holy Scriptures to see if these Mullahs in Iran are right or wrong in the interpretation of the Allah’s laws.

    Sura al-Baqarah 2:223 Your women are a tilth for you (to cultivate) so go to your tilth as ye will, and send (good deeds) before you for your souls, and fear Allah, and know that ye will (one day) meet Him. Give glad tidings to believers, (O Muhammad)

    The translation is by Pickthall. This sura clearly says what a woman is all about. Yes, she is nothing but a paddy field to grow paddy. In case you may think that this translation is not reliable, let us look at the translation by Yusufali:

    Your wives are as a tilth unto you, so approach your tilth when or how ye will; but do some good act for your souls beforehand; and fear God. And know that ye are to meet Him (in the Hereafter), and give (these) good tidings to those who believe.

    Are the Iranian Mullahs wrong in treating women as paddy fields? I invite any Islamic writers in NFB to prove that what these people (the Iranian Mullahs) do to the women is against the Quran.

    What goes on a child’s mind when he/she watches his/her beloved mother is beaten mercilessly by the child’s own father? The experience is extremely disturbing. But what is more disturbing is that when he grows up and finds that what his/her father did to his/her dearest mum was really inspired by the Quran.

    Sura an-Nisa’ 4:34 …As to those women On whose part ye fear Disloyalty and ill-conduct Admonish them (first), (Next), refuse to share their beds, (And last) beat them (lightly); But if they return to obedience, seek not against them Means (of annoyance): For God is Most High, Great (above you all).

    In the translation of the above verse the word ‘lightly’ was added by the translator Yusufali. The original verse does not contain any such (lightly) word. Yusufali was so embarrassed that he added ‘lightly’ to make the verse more civilized.

    In the above verse Islam has sealed the fate of women. They are an object to be used as desired and if necessary should be subjected to corporal punishment if she refuses any whim and fancy of her owner. She has very little chance to escape from the tyranny of a religious bigot and a cruel person. And what happens to the tyrant and the perpetrator who inflicts physical punishment to her? The Quran is absolutely silent on this matter. I ask any Islamic writer to prove that what the Iranian Mullah said about the physical torture of women by men (in item 10) above is against Islamic rule.

    In a civilized society any physical/mental abuse of a spouse or a child is a criminal offense. The culprit is arrested by police and tried in a court of law and punished accordingly. In Australia, where I live, wife beating (rather spouse beating) and child abuses are serious criminal offenses and the Govt. Authorities waste no time in removing to a safe place the victims from the abusive spouse. The whereabouts of the victims remain a top secret till the matter is settled by the court. This is the secular law. The Quran or any other religious scripture does not inspire this law. If we go by the Quran, this law to protect women and children from abusive spouse is surely not Islamic.

    Having sexual intercourse with captives is halal. You say this is absolutely un-Islamic. Let us search the Quran.

    Sura an-Nisa 4:24 And all married women (are forbidden unto you) save those (captives) whom your right hand possess. …(Translation by Pickthall)

    Also (prohibited are) women already married, except those whom your right hands possess: ….(Translation by Yusuf Ali)

    You say in modern world there are no such things as the possession of the right hands. Think again. Quran is eternal. The world may change but Quran cannot change. The Iranian Mullahs understand Quran much, much better than you and me. Is not any woman that opposes any Islamic ruling (read Allah’s law) is waging a war against Allah? Are not the Mullahs fighting the enemies of Allah? So, when they defeat the enemy (captured rebel woman) she becomes the possession of the right hands (captives) of them. And Allah has permitted them to have sexual intercourse with these captive women.

    Menstruation is an illness (disease)

    Sura al-Baqarah 2:222 They question thee (O Muhammad) concerning menstruation. Say it is an illness, so let women alone at such times and go not in unto them till they are cleansed. (Translation by Pickthall)

    They ask thee concerning women’s courses. Say: They are a hurt and a pollution: So keep away from women in their courses and do not approach them until they are clean. (Translation by Yusufali)

    This verse is not only completely unscientific; but also a gross insult to all women of the world. How do the millions of working women feel when they see this divine message! There can be no message more misogyny than this verse from the Quran. This verse literally means that all our mothers, sisters and wives suffer from permanent disease. A corollary of this verse will be that when a woman reaches menopause (that is her menstruation ceases) she becomes disease free! Since a woman reaches her menopause between 55 to 60 years of age, doesn’t this mean that when a woman reaches her old age she is cured of her permanent illness that afflicted her when she reached her puberty. What a great logic!!

    We can go on citing verses after verses from the Holy Scriptures to illustrate how anti- feminine and how hostile Islam is towards all women. What we observe being done to the women of Iran and Afghanistan shocks every civilized person Muslim, non-Muslim alike. Islmists not living in these countries have very little idea of what ‘real Islam’ is doing to every sister, mother and wife of the men in these paradises. Most of the Islamists living in the West have a very utopian idea of the treatment of women according to the Islamic rules. What we are witnessing in these Islamic paradises is the practical application of the Quran and Hadith. Can any western Islamist (new Mullah) prove that what their compatriots at these Islamic heavens doing are anti-Quran and anti-Hadith?

    The ominous message sent by the Mullahs of this Islamic Jannat is very plain and straight. Any woman who still thinks that Islam affords her the freedom, liberty, equality, justice, her mental and physical well being is simply fooling herself. She is simply surrendering herself to a pack of wolves and the only destination these wolves will send her is to hell. That is for sure. The sad thing is that the hell that these Mullahs will send her will be in this world. She does not have to die to go there. She has to endure the suffering of hell-fire after the Mullahs have stripped her of her human dignity and reduced her to nothing but a piece of meat then to a piece of fertile crop field and eventually to a hapless destitute.

    Even the prophet said that majority of women will be in hell.

    Narrated Ibn ‘Abbas: The Prophet said ” I was shown the Hell-fire and that the majority of its dwellers were women who were ungrateful” (Sahih Bukhari 1:28)

    This is what is reserved for women by Allah!

    Comment by Koul Anil — August 26, 2008 @ 1:16 am

  124. please take your time read them analyze them and then decide……

    Of course no huries for you ……
    anil

    Comment by Koul Anil — August 26, 2008 @ 1:18 am

  125. muhammad did approve of rape please read below…..

    http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Muhammad/myths-mu-rape.htm

    Kashmiri muslim jehadis did exactly what muhammad did by approving raping and killing non-muslim girls…. Is that ur ISLAM….

    Mautharma instead of fighting with me you better tell your people the knowledge of quran is thrown all over the net…… Say FATWA ti INTERNET…… I am sure muhammad would have done that….. as I am reading book understanding muhammad by Ali Sina……

    U talked a lot about Hinduism and so bad and abusive language coming out of your mouth seems odd…. may god give u courage to accept truths…… This brother will always be there to help you…. Listen to wafa Sultan and see the truthfulness in her eyes…. even if u dont understand her language…. she is a lady take her as ur role model my sister….

    Anil

    Comment by Koul Anil — August 26, 2008 @ 1:29 am

  126. blah blah blah is ll i hear from u . u say that im using bad language against ur religion ? hahaha ! can u please point ou tthe bad words

    Comment by The Pacifist — August 26, 2008 @ 1:33 am

  127. here it is mautharma ur language being a female …..

    ———————————————-
    you illetrate bastards. why are you targetting religion when its a political war about the land. talking about prophet and his life? atleast our prophet was human . u silly blind people. what about ur religion? clearly hindusim is just a big myth , who the hell worships a monkey? hanuman is it? surely stupid pigs like u. and wot abou thte other , the blue one? hahahah man ur religion has no base. your just jealous of islam . go read the quran not that ur worth it.. everything written in it is what the worlds made up of . scientists are also proving that the qurans theories are true.

    i dont care about the war going on , dont care about india or pakistan. or the fucking land. but u have to stop disgracing other reliigions. spit out your hatred and THINK. be thankfull that im giving u a moment to realize what you keep on saying. your making a place for urself in hell . when you die and youll see the truth u will repent and there will be no turning back. thisll be my first and last post here. i donot care if u hate me and start cursing me , not that i give a fuck , go on waste your time. but u will have to pay for it one day. inshallah

    ————————————————————–
    Is this language to be used by a knowledgeable and well literate lady like urself….. let us argue about ISLAM but please don’t degrade ur kind self so low…. that i will rethink before calling any muslim my brother or sister……
    Anil

    anil

    Comment by Koul Anil — August 26, 2008 @ 1:50 am

  128. OH so bastard is too bad according to u? and what about the people on this discusion page? surely thr ur hindu brothers and anything they say is valid. u biased man!

    Comment by The Pacifist — August 26, 2008 @ 1:58 am

  129. BTW I had missed ur earlier comment that u blaming Jehadis and terrorists and that is the reason ISLAM gets bad name……

    I am sorry but ISLAM is the bible of terrorists and it is all there….. u can google ur self and u will know what i am saying….

    Terrorists are the real and true followers of ISLAM and not otherwise…..
    People like urself who never questioned what they read and followed mullas interpretation… are the misguided ones….. but it is also because of the people like ur self there is little humanity left among muslims otherwise God save them…..
    Anil

    Comment by Koul Anil — August 26, 2008 @ 2:00 am

  130. I dont agree at all with their language either……
    But what can I do they are fighting Jehad against the ISLAMIC Jehadis…..
    Every person is different I beleive in reasoning
    while some believe in cursing and some in violence …….
    can I change them…. NO…..
    Can u change the people who run around with AK 47 killing innocent I guess no…..
    Probably we can talk about peace….. But only after understanding the reason behind the killings and terrorism…. The link is clear and it looks like it is ISLAM……

    BTW is ur name Durdana…..
    Anil

    Comment by Koul Anil — August 26, 2008 @ 2:05 am

  131. i did not blame the jihadis , i called TERRORISTS the SO CALLED JHADIS. dont misinterpret me . u say islams spreading violance and murdering and raping people? ahaha wot do u say about ur indian troops on kashmir? whats that now?

    Comment by The Pacifist — August 26, 2008 @ 2:09 am

  132. no my name is , ur worst nightmare

    Comment by The Pacifist — August 26, 2008 @ 2:10 am

  133. Anil,

    There is no point of taking more points to discuss, if you see he had explained 2 points earlier and I researched a bit and used my logic and then realized there could be other logics…

    Read this …..
    The reasoning I read in internet goes as , may be some one paste the link here for you

    PM also counter his first logic, we need to hear a logic from him.
    We need to hear from him and see if it makes logical sense.

    Well I also agree with his logic that monkeys can’t fly ;) etc ….
    Pacifist, we all have been reading all the books and doing research.
    Some of us have been researching over it over years, why because we have been HIT by it.

    Comment by Vicky — August 26, 2008 @ 2:20 am

  134. Ur came cant be that bad, U are human just a misguided one but ur name can never be my nightmare….

    BTW the indian troups I guess do what their conscience permits them to do….. and I far sure know many Kashmiri girls used to sleep around with BSF and Bihari people…. and if they got caught by mistake by some one…. the blame was thrown on man and it was called rape…..

    I am sure if u are kashir Musalman Koor u will know that for sure……..
    Even the terrorists/ jehadi people from afgan and pakistan and anyone who had gun did the worst with my kashmiri muslim sisters…. My heart cries for them……

    The fact is what goes around comes around…..

    If u happen to know any one who was trained from pakistan to fight indian army were sodomized by the paki army and their leaders……..

    There was a prostitute racket of muslim girls in Kashmir caught…. what about them…. do they get punishment per shrai for Zinah……

    Questions are endless and finger points just to one thing to blame….. ISLAM ISLAM ISLAM…..
    prove me wrong…. I am open to discussions…. My sister

    Comment by Koul Anil — August 26, 2008 @ 2:22 am

  135. #do they get punishment per shrai for Zinah……

    This should be asked to Geelani in open, it is who is representing the mustakbal of awam …
    he wants the the ISLAM to rule there lives etc ….

    Comment by Vicky — August 26, 2008 @ 2:35 am

  136. about which poilcy are u talking…. are u crzy…. our policy failed… which policy… rather it was ur policy to move us out of kasmir…and that u people were planning since 1950’s…. we could never make it back because u people made kashmir a hell…. even worse than hell .whenever we said or the govt planned to make us back to kashmir .. u killed innocent kashmiris there…… …. we left our kashmiri brothers and sisters and fled awayas it was their choice …we forced no body to stay back with “DEVILS”…..ur house is surrounded by 2 kasmiri pandits… oh please don’t tell me …. i knw why they are staying back there so that u people will kill them like ‘ wandhama’ masscre….. don’t tell me how good u people are… it makes me laugh at u ….after ethenic cleaning these people are talking about hospitality…and make kashmiri pandits feel like hme…. i knw sme of the who still live in kashmir valley and trust me they don’t say anything against u but their eyes say everything… even we people knw tht why u don’t ask them to move out so that u can sya to the whle world that kashmiris are secular…… secular my foot.. once i met with a kashmiri girl u knw what were her words…
    first i m pakistani… then i am islamic… then i m a musalman then i m a human being.. look at the level
    now tell me what u will say? May be that girl is ur sister , cousion or frnd….. in my class there are almost 15 or 20 kasm muslims and u won’t belive every teacher loved them so much before they went to the editor of one of the leading dailies of kashmir and said that one of the kashmiri mus girl was beaten by a hindu boy in coll. Tell me is this possible and trust me nothing such happened.. and next day in ur leading daily it was a news… then after few days ur journslts frm that daily visited our coll and wre asking that why such thing happens.. and we all almost the whle coll said that nothing such happened they said no u all did that… this is the jour n of kasmir……i cited this example that i m not faling in the hands of an y party but i m againat u people because u people talk against india … ,…
    it is very obvios that u will make ur frnds to roam in the kashmir valley … because u have to shw the whole world that u are good… but in reality u r the worst people…. i hate all of u
    and about the land issue if i m not wrong ur so called pdp minister muzaffar hussain beig was the key of all this problem.. when it come to buisness u guys open ur arms and welcme then …. then where the hell ur kashmiriat ia at that time … nathus in kashmir.. hotels…shwrooms etc.. even once maruti at the time of farroq abdullah said that they will like to their plant in jammu … farooq said no in kashmir.. then were was his kashmiriat ..oh people don’t talk about all this i have hundreds of examples… and when it came to amrnathsherine board …. u people statrted sheding crocodile tears….

    Comment by Neha — August 26, 2008 @ 5:59 am

  137. the above answer is for mr asmin KASHMIRI

    Comment by Neha — August 26, 2008 @ 6:07 am

  138. —————->”The Pacifist”

    One basic question, If you think islam is so great, why are defending it.
    Let it be what it is, you know and the world knows.

    Please understand Abrahmic and Dharmic religion.
    Then speak !!!!

    And regarding the Land & Kashmir

    Woh to humara hi hai…
    Kuch din ke liye tumlog uss pe reh kya liye…aapne baap ki jagir samjh baithe..
    Aukad mein raho KM..Nahi Indians Know how to show your Aukad.

    NamakHaram

    —————->”The Pacifist” haha wot do u say about ur indian troops on kashmir? whats that now?

    Be assured that its the trailor you have seen, Jis din dimag kharab hua…Poora movie dekhne milega ..
    and usske baad na bolne na sunne layak rahoge.

    You people used to hide militants in your houses and when the Army used to turn there backs saying “that these people are clean”
    You bastards, You KM use to shoot them in there back.

    what goes comes around.
    You had given and we had accepted.

    Now we Will give…Decide how to accept it.
    Happily or painfully.

    Comment by Animesh — August 26, 2008 @ 6:47 am

  139. hey guys why the hell are you people mixing religion with politics.
    this is about land,the land belongs to kashmiris..and we are nomore in the mood of giving it to charity…so do whatever the fuck you cant…we wont let it go..

    Comment by nightmare — August 26, 2008 @ 6:48 am

  140. hey guys why the hell are you people mixing religion with politics.
    this is about land,the land belongs to kashmiris..and we are nomore in the mood of giving it to charity…so do whatever the fuck you can…we wont let it go..

    Comment by nightmare — August 26, 2008 @ 6:48 am

  141. Friends ! i have been following your comments on this page. There seems to be a concerted tirade against Kashmir and Islam. And to my utter dismay Kashmirri Pandits seem to have joined the bandwagon.
    Our consiousness is the best judge and we need to think logically.
    Maligning islam is a hobby with these people and I remeber a verse on this
    “A rose is a rose is a rose” and “A thorn is a thorn is a thorn”
    I can come out with numerous links and facts about other religions and try to prove them wrong and belittle them but that is not how We kashmiris have been brought up. Let truth prevaail .
    On the fire and venom spewed by some ignorant people here let me say simple facts for you to believe
    KP’s made a mass exodus on the behest of Jagmohan muslims of KAshmir never made them to flee. In these 19 years of struggle 373 Kashmiri Pandits ahve ben killed and, spare a thought for the muslims, the number of Kashmiri Muslims Killed is a 200000 approx and the number increases day by day.
    Amarnath land row which is the core of the conflict as of now needs to be seen in perspective.
    Amarnath yatra has been on for the last 150 years and needless to mention it was discovered by muslims.
    We kashmiris dont have a problem with the SASB taking land temporarily because they have been using it since 2000. The problem lies here …. the formulation of the Amarnath Development Authority which can transfer title of land . This we fear is goung to change the demography of the state.
    However the land transfer has been revoked now and cant be rescinded so it is crying over split milk for Jammuites (aka BJP).
    I can give more reasons and logic on the struggle of Kashmir lest you ask.
    I am here to repulse the jammu jaggernaut.
    Welcome .

    Comment by innocuous tyro — August 26, 2008 @ 6:53 am

  142. #mixing religion with politics

    We are trying to understand the IDEALOGY about the religion, why because we were hit by it.
    Look at serbai,isreal,US,Europe all are fed of EVIL , India should join them.
    Why do you get offended if someone else had written, the message is spread and it is catching like a fire.

    #and we are nomore in the mood of giving it to charity
    excellent…..
    Keep doing this we are with you….

    We are in a mood to teach you lesson this time ;)

    Peace

    Comment by Vicky — August 26, 2008 @ 6:58 am

  143. get ur arse here u nightmare deep shit.
    And we will show u what is nightmare.

    Land to beta hummari…Poora bharat desh ka hissa hai.
    Charity !!!
    sale Haj subsidy avail karne time sochna tha na…
    If u think ur so hardcore KM, who doesn’t wants to give land for Charity, The please pack ur bags..We will throw you soon.

    The f*** haven’t you seen, Then have patinece, One we f*** u, no one will ever accpet ur arse..No even ur messenger

    Comment by Animesh — August 26, 2008 @ 6:59 am

  144. brother these are ill educated,easily manuplated fools with twisted and baised ideologies..lits a matter of pure logic..yatris are guests here n they are most welcome..but if they try to set up a home here..
    (which it has been seen is unfortunately the common tendency of indians)..they will be thrown out…so be a guest and behave like them..otherwise face the music

    Comment by nightmare — August 26, 2008 @ 7:02 am

  145. #In these 19 years of struggle 373 Kashmiri Pandits ahve ben killed and

    what logic are you giving ?
    Do you mean to stay that we should have stayed there are screwed our life ?
    Even if you say Jagmon had driven us out I am sure he must have read the history and may be knowing ISLAM well, we are proud of Jagmohan.

    Do you know how much army have been killed ?
    How much people across india got hit by Islamic terrorism?

    dude bottom line is that we cannot coexist due to difference in our idealogy, it is better we understand that.
    One of us has to change, let us wait and watch .

    Peace

    Comment by Vicky — August 26, 2008 @ 7:05 am

  146. animesh beta cry cry and beg more…cuz begging is all you know to do..

    Comment by nightmare — August 26, 2008 @ 7:05 am

  147. saali musalmaan quam hi madarchodo ki he …

    saale kisi ke sage nahin hein …

    har desh ka namak khakar usi thali mein ched karte hein …

    itna maaro saalon ko ti paani ko bhi tarsein ..

    Comment by chandra — August 26, 2008 @ 7:05 am

  148. @vicky
    i totaly agree brother not only one but the both of us have to chane.. im sorry u lost 400 odd people in the crisis..but what about the eighty thousand ood men we lost here..you have to take dat into account too..you just cant ignore the facts..

    Comment by nightmare — August 26, 2008 @ 7:09 am

  149. #brother these are ill educated,easily manuplated fools with twisted and baised #ideologies..

    what about US/Europe etc …..
    Tell me what you guys have given to world ….. Tell me

    Comment by Vicky — August 26, 2008 @ 7:09 am

  150. ———–>innocuous tyro

    Jagmohan conspiracy theory doesn’t works now.
    Please ask Geelani’s and Lone’s to come with new Ideas.

    ———–>Amarnath yatra has been on for the last 150 year
    Who said??
    From where you heard this??

    Please boss..stop this crap first.
    Did you ever crossed checked it.
    ever read any text related to it.
    If not Please shut you mouth.

    ##There seems to be a concerted tirade against Kashmir and Islam
    ##this we fear is goung to change the demography of the state.

    Sale NamakHaram !! What have you written.
    You feel bad when people are writing abt Kashmir and Islam, but on the other end, you only don’t want to change the demographics.
    Your thought is so communal.
    You all KM are communal.

    #and we are no more in the mood of giving it to charity
    its a lost battle for you KM, You have lost it on all grounds.

    We Indians have very big heart, Not like you KM, who see money and there hearts bulge out.
    We all will give you time to accept that you have LOST and your KM community is also LOST

    Comment by Animesh — August 26, 2008 @ 7:10 am

  151. Neha with due respect to your feelinmgs and i understand the emotional wounds inflicted on you on teh plight of Pandits of KAshmir. However on this premise you seem to portray the wrong facts here. Wandhrhama was never done by Kashmirir Militants it was a deliberate and tacit act of Indian Intelligence agencies and so was teh ChattiSinghpora massacvre . The inquiry commitee on these massacres have a different tale to tell.
    The incident of the class which you narrated might be true from your perspective but that does not mean KAshmiri muslims are against hindus .
    You say we hate india thats why you hate us. Fair enough you have a point but you need to go into the genesis of our hatred for India may be then your stereotypical perspective about Kashmiris might change.
    Kashmir was never a part of India , it was a princely state owned by Maharaja Hari Singh.
    At the time of partition Kashmir logically should have gone with Pakistan becasue of its ethnicity and majority muslim populace and its geography but due to vsted interests it remained an unsolved issue like Junagarh and Hyderabad.
    REad history and you will come to know.
    Kashmiris asked India for help and Indian ARmy came here on Oct 27 1947 as a peace keeping force with the promise that plebiscite would happen once situation improves.

    But now 61 years have elapsed and India who came as a helper turned as an aggressor and usurped our Land . They have forgotten the promise of plebiscite.
    The movement of Indepence came as an open revolt in 1990 and these 18 years ahve brought forward the real tyrant face of india . 40 muslim women were gang raped in kunan poshpora in 1991 by Indian Army ( read Security forces) , lakhs of people have been killed by Indian Army. 100 people died in the funeral procession of Mirwaiz in 1990 , scores were killed by Indian forces at numerous places and mind you they were unarmed protestors.
    In my own locality 7 youth were butchered by Indian forces under the “Operatyion Tiger” garb. All these seven were students and three were in my class.
    There has not been a single communal violence in Kashmir but for Jammu communal violence you need to turn the annals of history.
    We are fighting for our right of self determination and it is not a sin. When India treats Baghat SIngh, CHndrashekhar Azad, Netaji Bose as heroes what wrong are we doing if we treat our militants equally.
    SPare a thought Neha a look beyond your prism logic and romove blinkers and take a tranbsparent view.
    Thanks

    Comment by innocuous tyro — August 26, 2008 @ 7:10 am

  152. @chandra
    oye bikhaari we people unlike you have some kind of respect
    so next time dont bother to open this shit filled mouth of yours..

    Comment by nightmare — August 26, 2008 @ 7:12 am

  153. @but what about the eighty thousand ood men we lost here

    Yes but it is who invited the trouble and you are paying it now.
    Who started it , you could have started in peaceful way ….

    How many Army men are killed , man we have to answer them too ….
    we all are educated people here and are contributing across the globe …
    we have been promped to read history islam to understand the root cause .

    So think coolly and see where you have reached and where India.
    Why is pakistan not able to help you now ?
    I am sure many more KP’s can explain you in graceful way.

    Comment by Vicky — August 26, 2008 @ 7:13 am

  154. nightmare ——->

    We don’t ask GoI for Haj Subsidy.
    Now Whos begging.

    Zameen nahi doge na…Ghar se nikal ke lenge…
    Jao bulao apne bhaiyon ko..Lashkar walon ko..

    dekhtein hain sale kitne aayenge..
    Suvar ki maut mare jaate hain sab LoC par, dekh koi tera jaan pechaan wala to nahi maraga gaya na LoC par.

    Comment by Animesh — August 26, 2008 @ 7:14 am

  155. @vicky
    you talking about europe and us
    do you know we have a united nations militray observation group for india and pakistan(unmogip) here in kashmir..wot on the earth do u think dats is for..it shows dat kashmir is a disputed territory and im sorry to say only india has failed to see it in dat light

    Comment by nightmare — August 26, 2008 @ 7:17 am

  156. @innocuous tyro

    A simple question do you hate India, YES/NO ?

    Comment by Vicky — August 26, 2008 @ 7:17 am

  157. innocuous tyro —->

    #####akhs of people have been killed by Indian Army. 100 people died in the funeral procession of Mirwaiz in 1990 , scores were killed by Indian forces at numerous places and mind you they were unarmed protestors.

    You people used to hide militants in your houses and when the Army used to turn there backs saying “that these people are clean”
    You bastards, You KM use to shoot them in there back.

    what goes comes around.
    You had given and we had accepted.

    Now we Will give…Decide how to accept it.
    Happily or painfully.

    #####When India treats Baghat SIngh, CHndrashekhar Azad, Netaji Bose as heroes what wrong are we doing if we treat our militants equally.

    Then don’t cry when they are shot in Head in point blank Range.
    Coz most of them are ur friends and borthers who have been mislead.

    Comment by Animesh — August 26, 2008 @ 7:19 am

  158. why do you think ir got started anywhy..wot community in the world wud want bloodshed on its hands..it aws purely out of oppersion jus like india did under british empire…

    Comment by nightmare — August 26, 2008 @ 7:21 am

  159. saalon class se nikalkar … ghar se nikalkar …

    been been kar tumhe gandi maut denge saalon …. harram ke pillon …

    saalon bandook chodkar dandiyan utha lein …

    itni jaldi rang badal liya saalon … gaand ka zor khatam ho gaya ….

    himmat nahin rahi ab bandook uthane ki … ab tumhare pakshaitani harele bhai nahin aayenge … tumhari madad karne …

    saale tumhari zyaat hi gandi he …

    thookna bhi nahin chahiye tum par …

    TUMSE ACHCHE TO SOOAR HEIN …. SAALE NAMAK HARRAM TO NAHIN HEIN …

    AGALE JANAM MEIN TUM SUAR BANOGE AUR TAB TUM APNE PAAPON KO BHAROGE …

    IS JANAM MEIN TO TUM kutiya ki maut maroge …

    Comment by chandra — August 26, 2008 @ 7:23 am

  160. To all Kashmiri Mullas and their daughters…..

    ****BREAKING NEWS****

    Your brothers from Porkistan have already crossed line of control and soon they will be coming to your homes…. be a good host… treat them well with Kashmiri food and your mothers and sisters…. good luck.

    Comment by Voice Of Jammu — August 26, 2008 @ 7:23 am

  161. Animesh
    Seems you are averse to historical facts when they dont suit you
    the link is here please read and there are numerous unambiguous statements which second the discovery of Amarnath Cave in 1850
    http://www.indianexpress.com/sunday/story/328693._.html

    As far as the Jagmohan conspiracy is concerned , at least you accepted it that Kashmiri Pandits were driven out on the behest of Jagmohan and not by Kashmiris.
    The solution to your problem of being displaced from your own motherland lies in you and your psyche, if you feel that Kashmiri muslims are your brethren come live with us in happiness and sorrow , in remorse and in delight .
    I have hundred of Kashmiri friends well settled abroad and they say that career is above Kashmir and they dont want to return , some of them have been candid enough to say that it was a blessing in disguise but i dont agree with them . Afflunet Kashmiri Pandits may not have been effected but the middle class Pndit , the rural Pandit who added glow to the ruitic charm has surely been effected.
    We welcome our brothers with open arms it is for them to decide.

    On the demography , we do not believe that India has a real affinity for the Kashmir people and it would clandistinely go all fronmts to change the unique natire of KAshmir , so we are showing our reservations.
    And Animesh , if you want to use abusive language then you seacrnh a different forum , i dont want to comment on your upbringing.
    Thanks.

    Comment by innocuous tyro — August 26, 2008 @ 7:27 am

  162. saale nightmare …

    start wart nahin … ab too isko FINIS hote hue dekhega … jese apni maa aur behen ko chudte hue dekhta he … kabhi paki aur afghaniyon se aur kabhi army se …

    jaake unko chudwa idhar tera girgit jesa rang badalna nahin chalega ….

    ab to teri gaand mein dande daalenge … aur suar kaa moot pilayenge tumhe …

    Comment by chandra — August 26, 2008 @ 7:29 am

  163. To all Kashmiri Muslims:

    Its time you change your slogan “Jeevey Jeevey Pakistan” TO ” Chodey Chodey Pakistan”

    “Hamara Pakistan nata kya la ila illa la” TO ” Hamara Porkistan sey nata kya Chudam Chudai Chudam Chudai”

    Comment by Voice Of Jammu — August 26, 2008 @ 7:35 am

  164. Vicky
    I was giving you statistics when i said 373 Pandits were killed , and statistics dont lie neither can they be altered. You believed Jagmohan over Kashmiris and rest is history.
    Of course we have different ideology and that is what we wqant to convey to India but Alas they are stubbornly refusing to belive that Kashmir is not with India. They use force to silence the voice of Freedom but that is ephemeral and i firmly believe INdependence is Inevetable
    As far as your question do i love or hate India , le t me tell you
    I love Indian People but i hate Indian policy on Kashmir.

    Comment by innocuous tyro — August 26, 2008 @ 7:35 am

  165. saale innocous tyro … tum log gandi nasal ke suar ho … jo apni maa aur behen ko chudwate hein paki aur afghaniyon se …

    saale funde de raha he yahan par …

    ab to kutte ke tarah doada doada kar maarenge tumhe … salle pisso … harram khau …

    gaand mein cactus ka ped daal kar tumhe pakistan tak bhagayenge jahan tumhe laat mar kar wo tumhari maa aur behno ko chodenge … aur tum log dekhoge …

    tum log ghar se nikloge aur apni maut to daawat doge …

    72 hooriayn meilenge aa jayo sab road par … aur kha lo goli … saalon behen chodon …

    neeche mehmood milega tumhe suaron ke saath hoorein nahin …

    Comment by chandra — August 26, 2008 @ 7:36 am

  166. To Kashmir Muslims:

    Dont dare and leave kashmir…… You will be beaten… and chased…and ……******

    We will keep KASHMIR as our KEEP and enjoy you crying when we bamboo you.

    Comment by Voice Of Jammu — August 26, 2008 @ 7:37 am

  167. innocuous tyro —->

    Any ways i don’t know in which category your are in.
    But you are the best in changing colors

    I will not take you too any other website,
    I guess your naive,not aware of true facts.

    Who said only 150 years??

    Please boss..stop this crap first.
    Did you ever crossed checked it.
    ever read any text related to it.
    If not Please shut you mouth.

    http://thekashmir.wordpress.com/2008/08/04/the-truth-behind-holy-amarnath/

    Doubts cleared off.

    ###we do not believe that India has a real affinity for the Kashmir people
    Thats why u get Billions and Billions of $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.

    ###it would clandistinely go all fronmts to change the unique natire of KAshmir , so we are showing our reservations.
    We won’t let you create another Islamic State.

    I guess your friends abroad have accpeted the basic fact, which most of KM have not accepted………..Yet
    By the way Whihc country your friends represnt.
    i hope they don’t carry Indian Passports.
    Coz that will make My India’s Head go Down.

    Kashmir mera hai …
    Kashmir mera hai …
    Kashmir mera hai …
    Kashmir mera hai …
    Kashmir mera hai …

    Comment by Animesh — August 26, 2008 @ 7:44 am

  168. To all Kashmiri Muslims:

    I would like to THANK YOU all…….!!

    “You Are The REASON” Hindus across India are getting united who was once a fragmented part and not speaking one language.

    “You Are The REASON” that you are getting HATED in Jammu, India and world over.

    “You Are The REASON” That we see Porkistan flags in Kashmir and it has even strengthened our resolve that we will not let you rest in peace.

    “You Are The REASON” That you are now confined to only Kashmir and don’t have any support from porkistan who is already dying a slow death.

    “You Are The REASON” That Porkies and Afghanis came fucked your women made them pregnant.

    “You Are The REASON” NOW WE ALL HATE YOU.

    “You Are The REASON” THAT WE ARE ALL UNITED AGAINST YOU

    Comment by Voice Of Jammu — August 26, 2008 @ 7:52 am

  169. #You believed Jagmohan over Kashmiris and rest is history.

    No, read the other blogs and you will understand what is the reason.
    I think this time the entire world is focusing on ISLAMIC terrorism, we need to help them.

    btw, do you think your religious brothers are doing good across the world?

    Comment by Vicky — August 26, 2008 @ 8:14 am

  170. To all Kashmiri Muslims:

    Change you faith… come back to your roots… “YOU ARE ALL CONVERTED HINDUS”
    and be good citizens of “THE REPUBLIC OF INDIA” and be the part of vibrant society…be part of success story which India is……. not what Porkistan has become.

    Comment by Voice Of Jammu — August 26, 2008 @ 8:22 am

  171. chandra
    by rebuking and using foul language you have shown your real character. WHen a person uses offensive and instigating language he has no reason and logic to support his argument and he wats to suppress teh truith in the volley of his words. In a tacit manner you have agreed that you r wrong .
    Galiyan dene say sach jhoot naho ho jata
    And you seem to have misunderstood the concept of “70 hoors” for Muslims in Heaven , if you need to debate on these issues come to a religious forum not here.

    Comment by innocuous tyro — August 26, 2008 @ 9:05 am

  172. Animesh
    you support your argument from a link which belongs to thios website (thekashmir.wordpress.com) no wonder that it would try to cover the truth about Amarnath Shrine because this web sites forums promotoes that.
    Let us not try to confime our selves to giving reasons about the truth or myth of Amarnath , History is testimony to the fact.
    FOr your info. the J&K Govt gives a part of the income got from teh shrine to the Maliks of Pahalgam who discovered teh pilgrim site. so doubts are cleared for me for you the translucence of truth seems needs you to belioeve history .
    No you say India gives us billions and billions of dollars , it is not billions dollars but it is in millions and that is not the actual point , it is a policy of india to put a lid on its colonial regime and show to teh World that it cares for Kashmir.
    If i give you money and kill your familiy members will you hate me or love me?
    i will leave it to you to answer.
    You boast that you wont let us create an ISlamic state, this in itself shows your intent.
    We dont want an islamic staet we want the right of self determination, we want freedom and then let us decide what code of conduct we need to follow.
    Carrying Indian passports is not a patriotic symbol, it is a compulsion .
    Ponder and come out with reason , cogent reason.

    Comment by innocuous tyro — August 26, 2008 @ 9:15 am

  173. Vicky
    Blogs represent a personal perspective not the mindsets of a generation. WHy KP’s left Kashmir is no hidden fact at least in KAshmir but the media of India is at ithe whims and fancy of indian politicians and they portray it otherwise.
    The cruel fact is that KP’s got displaced from thier homeland and the saddest part is that KP’s believed India more than Kashmir’s their own brethren. How many new born KP’w speak kashmiri ? I am afraid a very few . In the real sense India has succeeded in the cultural cleansing of KP’s.
    Well Vicky there is nothing like Islamic terrorism it is a term coined by the foes of Islam. Terrorism can have no religion. Again the media is to blame.
    When America wipes out millions of Iraqis, when Israel kills Palestinians with disdain it is portrayed as an act of curbing terrorim and when America or other countries is attacked for its Anti people and Anti Muslim policies they are coined terrorists , islamic terrorists.
    When Bajrang dal and VHP go n arson and rampage they are patriots when muslims vent their feelings they are terrorists.
    Double standards , you see.

    Comment by innocuous tyro — August 26, 2008 @ 9:28 am

  174. pathetic tyro …

    i dont give a shit about discussing your religion … its the most pathetic religion built on fanatic ideas of pedophile mussamed … piss be upon him …

    who has the blood of innumerable children and women on his head …

    what i have expressed is the sort of hatred for islam and moslems we have in our hearts because they are namak harram suars ( pigs ) all of them …

    and the time will come when they will cry for their deeds and will beg to us for pardon … that will be the day of justice …

    we have the aim in our heart now … KASHMIRI MOSLEMS WILL FACE THE WRATH OF THE INDIAN NATION NOW …

    PISS BE UPON YOU AND YOUR RELIGION …

    Comment by chandra — August 26, 2008 @ 9:34 am

  175. Voice of Jammu
    you can sate your consiouness by ridiculous arguments but you cannot shy away from the truth.
    The truth is “INDEPENCE IS INEVITABLE” and that we all will see.
    Read your own columnists the debonair Vir Sanghvi, The astue Swaminathan and the outspoken Arundhati Roy , all these and may more advocatet he “Freedom ” for Kashmir.
    Facts are hard to digest you see.
    Also Voice of Jammu , use reasoning when you point a finger , dont say things in a haphazard manner , comparing a faith to a Whore may be your forte not mine it undermines my belief. Come out with rational reasons not kindergarten stuff.

    Comment by innocuous tyro — August 26, 2008 @ 9:35 am

  176. innocuous tyro:

    You can go to hell “Porkistan or Afghan” with your women….. You will not get an inch of India….. Infact time has come to get back Porkistan ……It will be unified India again…with all you muslim slaves or converted hindus….

    Comment by Voice Of Jammu — August 26, 2008 @ 9:39 am

  177. Chandra
    Seems you defy logic and go on churning your tripe .
    You cant discuss becuase you need reasons for that which i am afraid eludes you.
    Lord Krishna killed his own family members does that mean we will tell and propogate that He was killer as he killed all his relatives. Pandavas gambled with their wife does that mean Hinduism treats wives as a gambling bet. NO!!!!!!!
    what you say is out of contect for Islam , and what i have said can also easily be said about Hinduism but that would be out of context because we are not saying the full text we are taking a feww lines .
    Whenever we say things they must be with conviction not conjecture.

    Comment by innocuous tyro — August 26, 2008 @ 9:41 am

  178. innocuous tyro….

    What will you do when you will be asked by Porkistan Punjabis for your white women…
    Tiem has come to open up boders so that you can move out……or stay here and get what you deserve….

    Comment by Voice Of Jammu — August 26, 2008 @ 9:45 am

  179. Voice of Jammu
    desperation is writ large on you. I suggest you do one thing why unify India onnly with pakistan , why dont you go to the status quo of the harappan culture when the Indian empire extended to the present day countries of Mongolia, Afghanistan, China, Iran and others.
    Not an inch of India , do i need to remind you of the 1962 war with China , how many inches did they take in the Aksay Chin, and how many inches are there with the Other side of Kashmir.
    DOnt think with your heart Voice of Jammu , think with your mind …if you have any .

    Comment by innocuous tyro — August 26, 2008 @ 9:46 am

  180. innocuous tyro:

    You are exposed with your “ISLAM” caught naked sleeping with whore “KORAN” world know you as terrorists….Its pay back time Kashmiri Keeps.

    Comment by Voice Of Jammu — August 26, 2008 @ 9:48 am

  181. Can Kashmir afford azadi?

    Comment by Animesh — August 26, 2008 @ 9:49 am

  182. innocuous tyro,

    Fact of the matter is that you all have got carried away by sentiments; you can’t see reason; and that is your biggest strength. Digest these facts.

    1. Do you for a moment believe; Kashmir can survive on it’s own. It can’t and that is fact, that those amonsgt you can see reason; will not be able to refute.
    2. It is a historic fact that miniscule countries formed on the basis os religion do not survive
    3. Even if you get ‘azadi’, sooner or later you will have to decide between India and Pakistan.
    4. You may choose to go with Pakistan; and when you do “God Bless You”

    Now fact on the ground remains; India will not give away an inch of it’s land. That’s for sure. Let’s see who fights it out better.

    Comment by Abhishek — August 26, 2008 @ 9:51 am

  183. innocuous tyro:

    You eat our food, Live on our land, get Indian education and need AZADI….. come out side Kashmir…. you will have lots of it …..You will be throwen out from every city in India and pushed to wall in Kashmir….lets talk azadi….

    We Indians aer azad now to kick your behinds….. get ready you may be getting one on yours soon.

    Time to change your faith…become a hindu

    Comment by Voice Of Jammu — August 26, 2008 @ 9:53 am

  184. Abhishek and ANIMESH
    Welcome aboard the front which accepts “Azadi” as an alternative for Kashmir.
    Now you people seem to have got convinced by my argument.
    I am not driven by sentiments but by logic.
    Abhihek it is like a kettle telling back to the Pot.
    Can we survive as an independent nation , well that is a moot point and it would have its pros and cons.
    When US bombed Japan in 1945 the economy of Japan which was already bad afetr second WOrld war was in shambles. But they turned out to be the most progresssive country dute to Aid from Foreign countries which were their friends.
    If Kosovo, Monttogomero can survive as an independent nation why noy Kashmir.
    Abhishek miniscule nations!!1like Chad, Bahamas, Tunisia, Kryggystan, Azaerbaijan, and a number of others have survived why cant Kashmir.!!
    Thanks for the comments that “God Bless You” if we go with Pakistan, but i feel a majority of us want freedom.
    I have at least succeeded in making you people believe that Azadi is an option i wonder why India is not realising it!!!!!!!!!!1

    Comment by innocuous tyro — August 26, 2008 @ 9:59 am

  185. DEAR READERS,

    THE REASON I AM WRITING IN CAPITALS IS JUST FOR YOU TO TAKE NOTICE THAT PLEASE READ WHAT YOU WRITE BEFORE PRESSING THE SUBMIT BUTTON.

    LET US DISCUSS AND DEBATE , NOT ARGUE AND WRITE THOSE WORDS WHICH WOULD MAKE NON REGULAR READERS HATE US FOR OUR TEMPERAMENT.

    PLZ UNDERSTAND THAT THIS BLOG IS NOW LINKED TO SOME INTERNATIONAL SITES AND THE PEOPLE VISITING THIS BLOG HAVE NOW EXPRESSED THEIR DISGUST AT THE COMMENTS WHICH WE PASS EACH OTHER.

    IT WOULD BE BEAUTIFUL IF WE IN A DIGNIFIED MANNER EXCHANGE THE FACTS AND PRESENT IT WITH REASON.

    I HAVE DELETED FEW COMMENTS , PLS DO NOT FORCE ME TO DO SO IN FUTURE.

    I LOVE YOU ALL

    EDITOR – THEKASHMIR

    Comment by Editor — August 26, 2008 @ 10:18 am

  186. Voice of Jammu
    Who eats whose food, who gets educated on whose land and who lives on whose land neeeds to be discussed.
    It is a global economy and we live in an intertwined society. By your argument you should stop all imports to India, stop sending Indians getting education in foreign institutions and stop building embassies in other countries.

    If India leaves us alone we wont eat your food, we wont live in your occupied land and we wont study in your institutions.
    The whole problem is Kashmir , why not to leave it and solve th eproblem!!!!!1

    Comment by innocuous tyro — August 26, 2008 @ 10:24 am

  187. —–>innocuous tyro
    And why you think I will accept the logic given by you.
    Please refer to wiki on Amarnath, That might clear off yo doubts.
    or even that doesn’t help…
    Bhole baba ki sharan mein chale jaoo…..woh sab theek kar denge..Har Har Mahadev

    ###it is not billions dollars but it is in millions

    DOn’t expect anything in trillions now…
    Boss you people atleast get Billions of $$$, and please accept the fact.
    India have provided you with all infrastructural requirments.

    ###is a policy of india to put a lid on its colonial regime a..
    Way absurd, FYI : If this was india strategy then we would have Bangladesh, Jaffna and ofcourse my PoK too.
    And yes we do care for Kashmir, as it is a integral part of My Country INDIA

    ######If i give you money and kill your familiy members will you hate me or love me?
    Better ask this question to your sepratist leaders.
    They have done this to you, you will get a firm answer form them.

    ###right of self determination
    First takle into considertaion Jammu,Ladakh and then go & ask for right of self determination.

    #######Carrying Indian passports is not a patriotic symbol, it is a compulsion .

    May not for you..
    But for me and other It Makes me Proud, carrying an Indian Passport.
    And If its such a compulsion, At first place why get a favor and then back-stabbing, saying ..India is not bothered about Kashmir.

    ########Read your own columnists the debonair Vir Sanghvi, The astue Swaminathan and the outspoken Arundhati Roy , all these and may more advocatet he “Freedom ” for Kashmir.
    Facts are hard to digest you see.

    even You KM, get your facts Rights,
    You will not even last for fraction of Second, the day India abandons you.
    Running a Nation and writing a column for appeasment is ver much diffrent.
    and Even in there hearts(Sanghvi and Roy) know that Kashmir is part of India.
    But they will say, as dogs Bark.

    ###########The cruel fact is that KP’s got displaced from thier homeland and the saddest part is that KP’s believed India more than Kashmir’s their own brethren. How many new born KP’w speak kashmiri ? I am afraid a very few . In the real sense India has succeeded in the cultural cleansing of KP’s.

    And going to Pakistan will restore your culture..Bull Shit !!!
    I read a comment from a Paki, he said Pakis don’t accept you as Muslims itself.
    and If you go for seprate state(which not happen), You will will not become paradise Kashmir, But a war-torn state..

    #######harappan culture when the Indian empire extended to the present day countries of Mongolia, Afghanistan, China, Iran and others.

    India empire will remian only from J&k to Kannyakumari, and Insha-allah..agar woh waqt aaya to woh bhi poora ho jaayega.
    India will not rule as tyrant, but people all around world will reagrd India for what it is.

    ##########Not an inch of India , do i need to remind you of the 1962 war with China , how many inches did they take in the Aksay Chin, and how many inches are there with the Other side of Kashmir.

    wasn’t that your kashmir,
    You people should have proactively defended kashmir.
    But you cowards, you let them acquire it.

    #########Now you people seem to have got convinced by my argument.
    Who said we bought your arguments

    Look back at history of Japan, Such a small country had almost captured Asia, but you people have lost Jammu and Ladakh.

    People of japan built there nation, your eating your nation.


    AZADI is not even a Dream to be dreamt.
    Forget it, sooner better.

    Comment by Animesh — August 26, 2008 @ 10:24 am

  188. http://www.indiatoday.com/itoday/20021014/nation.shtml&SET=T

    THE NATION: KASHMIR ECONOMY

    Great Sop Story
    Jammu and Kashmir is the most pampered state which is why the people prefer India
    to Pakistan

    Comment by Animesh — August 26, 2008 @ 10:26 am

  189. I am a kashmiri, its my crime…..
    “I am a Muslim” kill me and call it “COLLATERAL DAMAGE” imprison me and call it “SECURITY MEASURES” exile my people and masses and call it”NEW MIDDLE EAST” Rob my resources, Invade my land, Alter my leadership and call it “DEMOCRACY”

    I deserve to be humilated. I deserve to be harrsed. I deserve to be mauled. I deserve to be killed. Just becuase ” I AM A KASHMIRI”

    I demand my rights, it is my crime. I demand my dignity, it is my crime. I demand life, it is my crime. I am a KASHMIRI, it is my crime. but i am proud of commiting this crime.

    I want to live, but a living life. Not a dead man’s life. I can die struggling for freedom rather than giving it up and living.

    Comment by letz discuss facts nt myths — August 26, 2008 @ 10:52 am

  190. i found most posts anti -islamic…..
    let u ppl decide.. wthr u wanna discuzz aba ISLAM or amarnath land or freedom strugl…

    one think i wanna confirm ISLAM was is n will remain best religion in the world..n is a global religion…i can quote eminent non muslim scholars , scientists, philoz confirmin ISLAM been d best religion. Like G.B Shaw in his interview @ singapore said “ISLAM is complete ,peacful religion and has solution for mankind, therby d best religion in d world to me”…he bn christain

    Other thin i wanna confirm abt my Prophet MUHAMMAD (P.B.U.H) hes got the recognition of been the kind, nobel, n peace loving person n ofcourse bn d most intelligent person ever since Adam…….dis is a quote from “RED BOOK” USA……

    one more thing i wanna put forth …could u people please temme which is the most fast growing religion in the world n perhaps the “so called” best civilization by their culture n ethicz i mean EUROPE n U.S.A
    Statistics reveal , Its not christatity(although been a global religion) its not hinduism(obvious coz its not global religion) but “ISLAM” is the worlds fast growing religion and even Europe’s n AMERICAS fastest growing religion….and every year 40,000 americans convert to islam n more that in Europe….unless ISLAM has solution to their problems n helps them to live happy peaceful life those HIP-HOP n intelligent as wl ….would not hav accepted ISLAM ….

    FInally ….by mere names like RAM n Abdul RAHIM n practices dont make one HINDU or MUSLIM or representatives of some religion…d person under ur study might b worst case…..
    SO to kno any religion best know its teachings not people….if @all kno people @ islam confine urself just to PROPHET MUHAMMAD (p.b.u.h)…
    hope next time on we can discuss actual mattr amarnath n freedom struggle

    Comment by letz discuss facts nt myths — August 26, 2008 @ 10:54 am

  191. Dear “letz discuss facts nt myths”

    Please answer these question… The whole world wants the answers to these questions … :

    “I demand my rights” : Which rights do you want ?

    “I demand my dignity” : When has your dignity been compromised and how ?

    “I demand life ” : Who has threatened you ?

    ” I am a KASHMIRI, it is my crime. but i am proud of commiting this crime ” : Who told you that your being a Kashmiri is a crime ?

    I would appreaciate if you give me answers with some valid proofs… It will actually help us because we really dont understand why you feel that I have put in inverted commas. Please sir please tell us…

    Comment by Rohit — August 26, 2008 @ 11:14 am

  192. Animesh

    Behold and understand

    ###DOn’t expect anything in trillions now…
    ###Boss you people atleast get Billions of $$$, and please accept the fact.
    ###India have provided you with all infrastructural requirments.

    WHen British ruled India they also provided India with all the infrastrucural support, The EPitome of Indian Democracy Parliament House was made by British. Why did you accept that when British left . British provided India with all infrastructure requirements accept that .

    ###Way absurd, FYI : If this was india strategy then we would have Bangladesh, ###Jaffna and ofcourse my PoK too.
    ###And yes we do care for Kashmir, as it is a integral part of My Country INDIA

    We live in a comity of Nations and India has to appease the global community and the juncture when India sent its troops to Bangladesh , Jaffna they could not afford to grab these nations or else the World would be against it. But when India sent its troops to Kashmir in 1947 the Global dynamics were diffferent than the 1971 of Bangladesh and jaffna.
    FOr the integral Part of India , you need to turn the pages of history and see the UN resolution of 1948, Have you seen the Map of India in the UN, it is without Kashmir!!!!!!!

    Separatists have killed anti Movement , Indian Agents but Indian Army has killed innocent Kashmiris and i have given the incidents in my earlier comment read them.

    #First takle into considertaion Jammu,Ladakh and then go & ask for right of self determination.

    Once we go for the plebiscite we would autiomatically come to know what the majority wants . When minorities can live with India why cant Jammuites and Ladakhis live safely in an independent KaSHMIR

    ###And If its such a compulsion, At first place why get a favor and then back-stabbing, saying ..India is not bothered about Kashmir.
    Well said , if India is not bothered about Kashmir why doesnt it leave us ,why doesnt it vacate our land . that is what we are protesting

    ###You will not even last for fraction of Second, the day India abandons you.
    ###Running a Nation and writing a column for appeasment is ver much diffrent.
    ###and Even in there hearts(Sanghvi and Roy) know that Kashmir is part of India.
    ###But they will say, as dogs Bark

    We want India to vacate our land and leave us , let us see who will last for how much time b but first leave us .
    Now Vir Sanghvi is a Barking DOg because he doesnt speak your language but you know there hearts …How ridiculous . If India has liberal press why would a columnist write something which is not in his heart.

    ####And going to Pakistan will restore your culture..Bull Shit !!!
    does that mean that in India our culture is restored . Please ask the Kashmiri Pandits , where is there culture , i am afraid it is lost in oblivion ..courtesy iIndia ( Jagmohan).

    ####India empire will remian only from J&k to Kannyakumari, and Insha-allah..agar ####woh waqt aaya to woh bhi poora ho jaayega.
    ####India will not rule as tyrant, but people all around world will reagrd India for what it is.
    Let us see thats is all i can say on this.

    ###wasn’t that your kashmir,
    ###You people should have proactively defended kashmir.
    ###But you cowards, you let them acquire it.
    So you accepted India can lose an inch od its territory and that KAshmir is not a part of India , or else how would you blame Kashmiris and not the Indian Army who fought the War.
    Proactively defended Kashmir!!!!how beautifully are you saving the Indian Army. Alas Indian Army , you lost to China but see your patriotic Indians are blaming KAshmir. Thank God China is not a Muslim Nation or else it would have been blown out of proportion.
    Japanese build their nation and we Kashmiris are eating our Nation ,, which nation i feel you mean your nation India…. We never consider our self as a part of India so no more reasons on that.

    Accept teh truth “India has to Leave J&K”

    Comment by innocuous tyro — August 26, 2008 @ 11:33 am

  193. Rohit i will answer and i am sure letz discuss facts nt myths will also respond

    I demand my rights” : Which rights do you want ?
    The right to self determination promised by the PM of India in 1948 and unfulfilled till date

    “I demand my dignity” : When has your dignity been compromised and how ?

    I am told to show me my identity card in my homeland and if i dont have one i am labelled an anti national. A mere sepoy of the Indian Army has full powers to shoot anyoner in KAshmir and get sco free citing teh Disturbed Area Act.
    “I demand life ” : Who has threatened you ?
    2,00,000 Kashmiri muslims have been killed by Indian Army in these 19 years of struggle and the number is increasing every day.

    ” I am a KASHMIRI, it is my crime. but i am proud of commiting this crime ” : Who told you that your being a Kashmiri is a crime ?
    Facts speak for themselves, Kashmiris are denied hotel rooms in Delhi and other parts of India especially on August 15 , Jan 26 . I am being looked by suspicion inside India.

    I hope this increases your horizon of thinking about Kashnir.

    Comment by innocuous tyro — August 26, 2008 @ 11:42 am

  194. @innocuous
    #I am being looked by suspicion inside India.

    I understand this but tell me was this before 1990.
    KP’s+India have lost faith in you, it is difficult to get that back but not impossible.
    I wish there were not much material available on net.
    Tell me what is your contribution to todays world, let us forget the history as i don’t want to offend you by discussing religion etc.

    Let us be HUMANS .

    PS: NO religion had ever done good to mankind.

    Comment by Vicky — August 26, 2008 @ 12:01 pm

  195. Dear “innocuous tyro”

    First of all if there are any rules then they apply to Jammu, Kashmir as well as Ladakh… hope you agree to this… because if you dont then please dont read the other part of my blog.

    Hope you agree…

    “The right to self determination promised by the PM of India in 1948 and unfulfilled till date” : I hope these rights apply to me as well since I am also Kashmiri. But I never found any of my rights being unfulfilled in India. Can you please give me an example so that I can relate.

    “I am told to show me my identity card in my homeland and if i dont have one i am labelled an anti national. A mere sepoy of the Indian Army has full powers to shoot anyoner in KAshmir and get sco free citing teh Disturbed Area Act.” : As far as I remember I was never been asked by anyone for an identity card while I am walking in the streets of Kashmir or Jammu. Are you talking about the curfew pass thats being issued these days ??

    “2,00,000 Kashmiri muslims have been killed by Indian Army in these 19 years of struggle and the number is increasing every day.” : Out of 2,00,000 (I saw this figure only here) Kashmiri Muslims how many are there who belong to the civil society. I believe most of these 2,00,000 people were trained militants… I may be wrong also… Moreover have you forgot about the Kashmiri Pandits who were killed by the terrorists in the valley and who were forced to leave the valley.

    “Facts speak for themselves, Kashmiris are denied hotel rooms in Delhi and other parts of India especially on August 15 , Jan 26 . I am being looked by suspicion inside India.” : Will you believe me that I as a Kashmiri Hindu also face the same type of problem ?… I know you wont believe this…

    My Dear Friend all the problems that you have talked about are being faced by us also. We are all ONLY Kashmiri. Dont say only Kashmiri Muslims or Kashmiri Hindus…… we all face the same problem… But that doesnt mean that we start saying that we want Pakistan … we want azadi…

    Do you agree to me at least to some extent…

    Comment by Rohit — August 26, 2008 @ 12:02 pm

  196. @innocuous
    #i found most posts anti -islamic…..

    Yes it is true, why don’t you blame the US/Europe for it.
    We have never bothered ever before to know what is in your religion, we all are curious to know it.
    If we believe in GOD then we all are one GODS creation and insulting one other means insulting his creation.
    Now why there are my anti stuff is because we found it shocking to digest what is written all over web, anyway ….. I am not going to talk about the stuff which offends you.

    Peace….

    Comment by Vicky — August 26, 2008 @ 12:08 pm

  197. @innocuous

    btw, i have seen KM’s have also migrated to Jammu ?
    what is all that about?

    dude it is islamic radicals like Geelani who can’t change and wan’t ISLAMIC rule in Kashmir.

    I have met many KM’s in India and no one says that they want freedom, they are working in all parts of india.

    Comment by Vicky — August 26, 2008 @ 12:15 pm

  198. innocuous tyro

    When i was in school,
    Our teachers use to Tell Kashmir is India’s Crown.
    And I still adhere by the fact.

    Accept the Sweet Fact Dude..

    Kashmir is part of India
    You please accept the fact,as truth is always bitter.

    #######Regarding you point of When Bitishers Ruled us….
    I was telling you the fact, that India does spends Billions and billions of $$$$ on Kashmir.
    and Why Not, its Part of India DUDE

    #######see the UN resolution of 1948, Have you seen the Map of India in the UN, it is without Kashmir!!!!!!!

    UN, where has it helped till now.
    They have never been able to resolve a crisis,and your banking on them.

    And referring to the dynamics of UN resolution, It was for J & K, Now UN knows Jammu and Ladakh wants to be with India.
    After 1948, 3 wars have been fought b/w Indian and Pak,which has changed the total demographics of ORIGINAL J&K.
    What solution will UN give.

    ### plebiscite

    Can’t you the big picture,its already clear.
    No One wants a seperate country, apart from some Kashmiris..Only Kashmiris.

    ###And If its such a compulsion, At first place why get a favor and then back-stabbing, saying ..India is not bothered about Kashmir.
    And this is a statement to be asnwered by you.

    Why you take help from India, why accept funds.
    Why ddidn’t you guys discarded all the help offered by GoI.

    ####We want India to vacate our land and leave us , let us see who will last for how much time b but first leave us .

    And you started loving Vir Sanghvi and Roy coz they wrote something in you favor.
    Please read the full text from Vir sanghvi, He has also show you the future as independent country.
    Dude they are also Indians..

    “Dil mein jab pyaar hota hai na…to apne aap bahar aa jaata hai… ;-)

    If you think India has occupied your land, and you don’t want to be its citizen.
    Your free to move out.
    I’m not letting Kashmir go… Every Inch of Kashmir belongs to INDIANS

    ########Please ask the Kashmiri Pandits , where is there culture , i am afraid it is lost in oblivion ..courtesy iIndia ( Jagmohan).

    Culture is stored in tradations,papmered by values.
    Example: India has been ruled by several rulers of diff religions, but still we carry our tradtions and culture.


    I pray to Mighty Allah/God/Jesus/Ram and all …
    That makes us great in our deeds that
    WE INDIANS WILL RULE THE WORLD.

    “Aameen”

    #### Aksai Chin

    Why not China was able to take Arunachal, why Aksai Chin???
    Lets not get into complexity.
    It was a unilateral cease fire declared by china, and it took by force.
    And FYI China doesn’t reczognizes the Mc Mohan Line…Tats the Panga.

    That was a blunder commited by policy makers, but history will repeat itself.
    and Insha Allah we will get back Aksai Chin too.

    VANDE MATRAM

    Comment by Animesh — August 26, 2008 @ 12:17 pm

  199. Anil,

    common let us just forget about ISLAM, you have passed the message and it is upto them now think logically and make wise decision.
    It is applied to us also, let us go through the pro islamic sites and see if they can explain better logic .

    You know I hate them the most and the best revenge to them would be to show them how KP’s are prospering, how Indian is …. they are wise enough ….

    Let us RESPECT God’s creation if at all you believe in.

    PS: We are in democratic country , it is finally your wish ;)

    Comment by Vicky — August 26, 2008 @ 12:20 pm

  200. INNOCOUS :

    The fact remains that Pakistan had to vacate the Kashmir which they have been occupying since 1948,. The fact remains that Kofi Anan has said that all UN resolutions on Kashmir are irrelevant, the fact remains that Pakistan has been responsible for infiltration of terrorists in Kashmir,the fact remains that terrorists camps exist in POK,the fact remains that even in Indian constitution Article 370 is just a “Temporary Provision”

    Comment by pawandurani — August 26, 2008 @ 12:23 pm

  201. Dear Friends

    I make a request to all of you. For AZAADI or Kasmiriyat related talks. Please say kasmir and not jammu and Kasmir. The divide is itself seen in name JAMMU AND KASHMIR. We were never one and we will never be one culturally and moraly. Jammu people want peace and AZAADI from kashmiri centric leadership and policies. We are happy as Indians, so please leave us alone.

    Kashimir’s don’t want azadi its just a gimmick to rob india with more economic packages. Every year billions of unaccounted money is fed to kashmiri leaders including huriyat from pakistan.

    can anyone answer how Huriyat neta’s have 24 searvants in their house each paid 2000 INR as salary. Search google for Hurriyat + income. They have no job other than spreading hatred. They cannot rollback, if they do they will be killed.

    For god’s sake, abhi toh hosh mein aao kashmir ke logo. Aaapko har haal mein gurbat milni hai, Azadi se amir honge chand log, kashmir ko jobs chahiye, develoment chahiye.. ek kabristan bana diya hai Kashmir ko.

    Wake up or your generations will never forgive you.

    Comment by Amit — August 26, 2008 @ 12:28 pm

  202. Do u know where is our cultural university Sharada peth. It is in Azaz Kashmir….. There is nothing left there even the stones have almost vanished….. That is what ISLAM has done to us and our culture…..
    Recently the budha statues were broken in Afghanistan….. First the killed all the Buddhists that lived in the area and now recently they even removed historic trace of there existance…. This is muhammads ISLAM
    muslims it is becvomming hard for peace loving hindus to keep peace… when u go and blast temples and public places all over india in the name of jehad….. How much there has to be limit….
    Muslims world wide claim there religion is peace loving religion with gun in one hand and quran in another…… is that real peace……
    what has ISLAM given to you in any case other than misery leave it and peace will be there all over the world….
    Scientifically I dont think islam has given anything more than camels urine as medicine which now a days muslims dont drink or accept….
    If u are looking whether I am putting facts to you Google any of my claims and more than dozen websites will jump in front of u …
    Anil

    Comment by Koul Anil — August 26, 2008 @ 12:31 pm

  203. thanks Pawan ji for putting facts in front of Muslims….
    regards
    Kuldeep

    Comment by Kuldeep Trisal — August 26, 2008 @ 12:33 pm

  204. Dear editor , as u will notice its mostly these illetrate cheap non- kashmiris using such crude language which shows what they really are, scumbags!

    @anil> what do u want to prve by posting these false links to sites where people can write anything and everything about whatever they want to . if u r trying to change our views about islam , dont bother.

    Peple have died, yes kashmiri pandits and the kashmiri muslims. what have u learnt from these experiances. if u say u have such a big heart and we are the greedy ones , what are we asking for ? a land that is ours! its just kashmir india has to give up and cant even do that , cuz its filled with greedy hindu pigs like u . u want to start a religious thing here. my pleasure.. YOU STILL DINT ANSWER ME ABOUT YOUR FLYING MONKEY GODS. ahah

    if u all are so confident and know that kashmir is your , why are u crying like a big baby? come and get it u loser!

    Comment by The Pacifist — August 26, 2008 @ 12:37 pm

  205. @The Pacifist
    YOU STILL DINT ANSWER ME ABOUT YOUR FLYING MONKEY GODS

    Look at the blog carefully you will find it.

    Can we have a graceful conversations or you want uncivilized one?

    Comment by Vicky — August 26, 2008 @ 12:41 pm

  206. “@ voice of jammu

    “We Indians aer azad now to kick your behinds….. get ready you may be getting one on yours soon.

    Time to change your faith…become a hindu”

    hahaha and worship what a flying monkey or ur fag krishna?

    Comment by The Pacifist — August 26, 2008 @ 12:41 pm

  207. @ vikcy

    this is all uv written, “Well I also agree with his logic that monkeys can’t fly ;) etc ….
    Pacifist, we all have been reading all the books and doing research.
    Some of us have been researching over it over years, why because we have been HIT by it.”

    SO ARE U DENYING YOUR FAITH /RELIGION? and asking us to convert to hinduism? i pity u , u sad souls .

    Comment by The Pacifist — August 26, 2008 @ 12:45 pm

  208. @if u r trying to change our views about islam , dont bother

    No we are not trying to do that, we are trying to make sure that we don’t change it.
    After reading lot of material and seeing lots of videos lot of questions pop in ones mind.
    Can you guys start a web site which will clear all our doubts, it will be answer to those false websites?

    We can technically help you, all you have to do is to arrange the logics?
    I hope I am not offending you …..

    Peace

    Comment by Vicky — August 26, 2008 @ 12:46 pm

  209. #and asking us to convert to hinduism? i pity u , u sad s

    I am HUMAN first and then HINDU.

    #and asking us to convert to hinduism? i pity u , u sad souls .
    I am asking you be be first HUMAN and then ……..

    You can pity it is your wish as it does not cost me anything.

    Comment by Vicky — August 26, 2008 @ 12:48 pm

  210. MONKEYS CANT FLY , HUMANS CANT HAVE ELEPHANT HEADS , UNLESS OFCOURSE ITS PEOPLE LIKE U AHAH , U WORSHIP A PIECE OF MAN MADE IDOLS FOR GODS SAKE. YOU MUST HAVE REALISED BY NOW WHERE UR RELIGION STANDS. CHRISTIANITY , ISLAM , JUDAISM HAVE A LINK. HINDUISM IS NOWHERE! JUST A BIG FAT LIE LIKE ALL OF UR BIG FAT ASSES

    Comment by The Pacifist — August 26, 2008 @ 12:50 pm

  211. I APPEAL TO ALL TO STOP FIGHTING OVER RELIGION.

    Mr. PACIFIST kashmir was part of India and will be part of India. If few people start shouting AZADI doesnt mean we can give our land. I , being a state subject, am equally a party in this decision as you are. It’s high time come with us and start thinking about future of JnK’s development. A landllocked kashmir will end up as base for talibans or US or pakistan. Lets admit we(jammu and kashmir ppl) are not brothers, so lets become good neighbors and start respecting each other. May god will give us enough intelligence to realize our brotherhood again.

    Why did farooq Abdullah renamed 800 villages from old kashmiri names to islamic names?

    Why Kashmiri pandits were brutally murdered and tortured if they were your brothers?

    Why SUN temple in martang (now mutton) is in ruins, why priests ask your name and then tell you story of temple ? I saw fear of death in his eyes.

    What is this Nizame-Mustafa? Why not you raising slogans like Nizame-kashmir? This shows how religion centric you are, and you are blaming jammu people.

    Why kashmiri muslims are buying land in jammu that too at 3 times the price? Who is changing demography?

    Why is 76% govt jobs held by Kashmiri muslims in jnk, when population is almost equal of both regions? Why don’t you say its a discrimination?

    You are saying Indians are cunning, KM leaders are most shrewd, they know how to rob India.

    Comment by Amit — August 26, 2008 @ 12:51 pm

  212. #JUST A BIG FAT LIE LIKE ALL OF UR BIG FAT ASSES

    I don’t get offended as I don’t see it as UGLY/EVIL as ……

    Peace

    Comment by Vicky — August 26, 2008 @ 12:52 pm

  213. Dear Pacifist.. What is your name ?

    Comment by Rohit — August 26, 2008 @ 12:57 pm

  214. Please put you name so that we know whom we are talking to. Your observations seem to be very humorous… :)

    Comment by Rohit — August 26, 2008 @ 12:58 pm

  215. i totally agree people should be shouting out islamic slogans right now , when its all very political . i completely understand whgat your saying here. BUT because of those few people you are offending a billion other muslims by saying harsh stuff about Prophet and islam , not to mention also making a place for yourself in hell . or do u believe in hell at all ? does hinduism believe in hell? or do hindus go to amusement parks after they die with pink ribbons in their hair and lolipos playing horsey horsey with blue krishna?

    Comment by The Pacifist — August 26, 2008 @ 1:03 pm

  216. * should not be shouting.

    Comment by The Pacifist — August 26, 2008 @ 1:04 pm

  217. @The Pacifist

    I think you forgot to read this

    Reason:
    Since his first wife was rich and would expect the full loyality from Mahumad , opposing her would mean losing the power and money .

    I don’t know if this is true or false but it can be possible.

    Comment by Vicky — August 26, 2008 @ 1:05 pm

  218. Dear sister Pacifist……

    I am very certain that u had night mares…. That was not my intention though…..

    What ever I have said I could or have already given you enough evidence on the internet….

    What you talk is without any support even from internet…..

    Take ur time research and dont throw venom just because u had no answer for my quarries…. It is not just you any one we have talked till date it is normal…..
    You will show anger after all it is something u have beleived from the birth…….

    Coming to point of kashmir…… Get ur facts straight… ur history is few hundred years old but Kashmir history and origin is way older than that….. Think about the roots and go back take time drink kehva and relax my sister……
    Anil

    Comment by Koul Anil — August 26, 2008 @ 1:09 pm

  219. Come on Guys she/he is a kid can’t you make out from lolypop etc ;)

    Comment by Vicky — August 26, 2008 @ 1:13 pm

  220. Amit you brought out very very good points but what is it…. Isnt it what is ISLAM.. ur points are below and I agree 100% with u and reason is logical…. ISLAM:
    ———————————————–

    Why did farooq Abdullah renamed 800 villages from old kashmiri names to islamic names?

    Why Kashmiri pandits were brutally murdered and tortured if they were your brothers?

    Why SUN temple in martang (now mutton) is in ruins, why priests ask your name and then tell you story of temple ? I saw fear of death in his eyes.

    What is this Nizame-Mustafa? Why not you raising slogans like Nizame-kashmir? This shows how religion centric you are, and you are blaming jammu people.

    Why kashmiri muslims are buying land in jammu that too at 3 times the price? Who is changing demography?

    Why is 76% govt jobs held by Kashmiri muslims in jnk, when population is almost equal of both regions? Why don’t you say its a discrimination?

    You are saying Indians are cunning, KM leaders are most shrewd, they know how to rob India.
    ————————————————
    Anil

    Comment by Koul Anil — August 26, 2008 @ 1:15 pm

  221. #The Pacifist

    i was considering to add some spices in the discussion…

    33.50: “O Prophet (Muhammad SAW)! Verily, We have made lawful to you your wives, your captives and slave girls, your first cousins, and any believing woman if she offers herself to the Prophet, and the Prophet wishes to have sex with her.”

    anyways, there are no limitations if human wants to learn, even animals and stone can teach a human….. but it is human who need to argue what he is learning, what he is learning is right or wrong ? can he help other humans with what he learned ?

    Ironic is that today most religions are moving to abide, and bring themselves close to the principle of Human dignity …. Islam still remains as a black dot on name of culture ( i will rather call it cult)…. whose main goal is to follow a 6th century pedophile war lard rapist mass-murdered…

    Comment by PM — August 26, 2008 @ 1:17 pm

  222. Hey Vicky

    I will quote her that is why I said sister:
    ————————————–
    #
    The Pacifist said, on August 26th, 2008 at 12:26 am

    clearly ur just a hot blooded hindu who has nothing nice to say except bad mouth islam for the sake of his contentment. you arent even reading my posts well , iam not a man. stop rubbing in the “70 virgin part”. i feel sorry for you.
    —————————————

    But frankly telling u she has no substance about her own beliefs….. She needs to get away from Computer and read and understand…… She needs help…… I pity her situation where she has no answers and is real helpless like how we pandits were in 1989…. how did muslims help us…. they ruined our properties and housed…. looted temples and much more it is all in the comments here and I need not go in details……
    But sister you need help…..
    With love and blessings to u
    Anil

    Comment by Koul Anil — August 26, 2008 @ 1:26 pm

  223. lol . false links again. man made alterations made to the verses of quran. tell me one thing , did you just get an internet connection? all of you? you seem to be very excited by it . ahah . posting every link and video here. tell me who justifies what people write. i can this very moement write shit about your religion and post the link to that here. what does that prove. but i forgot that what u truly believe in , worshiping funny faced idols ( man ur krishna doesnt even look like a man , hes got so much eye makeup on , oh i forgot hes a fag) . go read the book quran , the english translation or in ur case the translation for dummies and see how peacefull and justified it is!

    ass ass bole

    Comment by The Pacifist — August 26, 2008 @ 1:27 pm

  224. anil keep your love for ur mum . i dont need help from blinded monkey worshipers like you .

    Comment by The Pacifist — August 26, 2008 @ 1:28 pm

  225. Oh Yaar Pacifist.. pehle yeh to bata tera naam kya hai… Tu ladka hai ya ladki… :)

    Comment by Rohit — August 26, 2008 @ 1:30 pm

  226. a thing wearing a skirt , tiara, makeup and flowers and playing a flute = FAG ahahahahahha

    Comment by The Pacifist — August 26, 2008 @ 1:35 pm

  227. kyun ? tere ko gand marvani hai kya . vo karne ke liye ladka banu kya?

    Comment by The Pacifist — August 26, 2008 @ 1:36 pm

  228. Dear sister…. I did read quran…. One of those crazy pandits who wanted to understand why ISLAM has problems everywhere……
    I am reading presently Understanding Muhammad By Ali Sina that has a lot of info too…..
    I have never depended o Internet fully for my information…..
    In Allah hu musabrin…… DId u show any patience no….
    So have kevha and chill out …… and get life…..

    Yes I do love my mom…… dont worry I am not that blinded that I will illtreat my sister even on a Blog like this…..
    In Khuda u musabrin….. It is better to Invoke Khuda God rather than Allah – the moon God of Pagans….
    Get life….
    Anil

    Comment by Koul Anil — August 26, 2008 @ 1:37 pm

  229. :) :) :)

    Comment by Rohit — August 26, 2008 @ 1:37 pm

  230. #a thing wearing a skirt , tiara, makeup and flowers and playing a flute = FAG #ahahahahahha

    We are yet not offended as he(krishna) yet looks PURE …..
    I don’t know his UGLY/EVIL deeds yet.

    Peace

    Comment by Vicky — August 26, 2008 @ 1:38 pm

  231. why do your gods have such bad hair and maku up .. jeez i think i want to make a few better lookind idols for you to worship .

    Comment by The Pacifist — August 26, 2008 @ 1:40 pm

  232. Sister are u man or woman or inbetween……
    Like in kashmir who do manjim yaraz….
    Just a thought….. because u said u will become man…….
    Hope u are not doing manjim Yaraz here too…..
    God be with u brother or sister or inbetween……
    what ever it is….
    Anil

    Comment by Koul Anil — August 26, 2008 @ 1:40 pm

  233. you dont know his ugly evil deeds BECAUSE HE FUCKING DOESNT EXIST

    Comment by The Pacifist — August 26, 2008 @ 1:41 pm

  234. Hey Anil,

    I don’t find any tricky questions here
    http://www.irf.net/irf/faqonislam/index.htm

    Let us ask him….
    But he is not ready to take Ali Sena challenge.

    Why is Bihar rule by Lallu ….. I think you guys are smart enough to understand what I am trying to say ;)

    Comment by Vicky — August 26, 2008 @ 1:42 pm

  235. hahahah in between .. lmao .. anil its called a Eunuch. u illetrate dogra

    Comment by The Pacifist — August 26, 2008 @ 1:42 pm

  236. Dear Editor,

    Please make sure that your Blog is not being misused. We want to have a sensible dicussion over here.. rather than listening to abusive language….

    Comment by Rohit — August 26, 2008 @ 1:44 pm

  237. #you dont know his ugly evil deeds BECAUSE HE FUCKING DOESNT EXIST

    I guess the last messanger of GOD does a lot of F…….

    Fair enough, we are yet not offended now.
    I wish i have not read Ali Sena book .

    Om Satya hai …..

    Peace.

    Comment by Vicky — August 26, 2008 @ 1:44 pm

  238. Rohit

    Btw did you read faithfreedom.com and thereligiousofpeace.com ;)

    Comment by Vicky — August 26, 2008 @ 1:45 pm

  239. Dear sister,

    u are not kashmiri at all wasting time with u…….

    U called me dogra….. I would like to be proud dogra as well but the fact is I am Kashmiri pandit and name says it all…….

    kashir paith karva kath maray….

    Anil

    Comment by Koul Anil — August 26, 2008 @ 1:46 pm

  240. Didnot want to call my sister/brother — a Eunuch

    If u were kashmiri Manjum yar was good enough and respectful too……

    Thanks
    ANIL

    Comment by Koul Anil — August 26, 2008 @ 1:48 pm

  241. iam kashmiri. more kashmiri than u “kashmiri” pandit. how can u call urself kashmiri (!) when you badmouth its people and religion.

    Comment by The Pacifist — August 26, 2008 @ 1:57 pm

  242. kashmir peth kya wan . chi chuk na kashur vannas layak ti . ma kar kashur peth kath.

    Comment by The Pacifist — August 26, 2008 @ 1:58 pm

  243. #when you badmouth its people and religion.

    We are questioning the logics and don’t believe in blind faith.
    Give us logical answer if you can and shut our mouth, it is simpler thing.

    Comment by Vicky — August 26, 2008 @ 2:01 pm

  244. now I have to really help kashmiri Lanch

    Free him….. muslims treat lanchs very bad….
    Anil

    Comment by Koul Anil — August 26, 2008 @ 2:03 pm

  245. “muslims treat lanchs very bad

    u fag , who educates you about islam? islam is not againt lanch . lanch and GAY are two different things. personally i have no problem with either!

    @ vicky , lmfao , u dont believe in blind faith? what about the elephant head and bandar?

    Comment by The Pacifist — August 26, 2008 @ 2:10 pm

  246. Dear Anil

    What is happening in kashmir is not ISLAM, its the use of ISLAM? I am no pro or anti ISLAM. I am strong believer of respecting every religion but at same time cannot tolerate insult of my religion.

    People have been misusing religion esp ISLAM to the extent what suits them. Another bothering thing is anything pro hindu is communal thats simply ridiculous.

    I would request all to oppose attempts of ISLAMIZATION and not ISLAM and prosecute people spreading hatred.

    Comment by Amit — August 26, 2008 @ 2:13 pm

  247. how did u dare to ask me for logic about islam when your religion is pointless and has got no logic whatsoever. ahhaha bottomline u people are scared of islam . cuz u know it is the truth ,and u just want to win win win . if it wasnt for that attitude you wouldve given up your BLIND POINTLESS “FAITH” , A JOKE , up years ago.

    Comment by The Pacifist — August 26, 2008 @ 2:13 pm

  248. Anil

    Look there is not answer or logic.
    If there were we would have got it here as we got it earlier.
    So it being wiser to keep quite and conclude what your common sense suggests.

    Comment by Vicky — August 26, 2008 @ 2:17 pm

  249. hahahaaha . SPARE ME THE BULLSHIT DICKY . go feed your monkey some bananas

    Comment by The Pacifist — August 26, 2008 @ 2:22 pm

  250. The Pacifist

    What will you have to keep your mouth shut? More you speak more shit is getting spiled over everywhere. Now I understand why kashmir is in blood, people like you have been hypnotized and now GOD save you from destruction

    Comment by Amit — August 26, 2008 @ 2:37 pm

  251. dear Pacifist….. We have asked this question to many people but so far no one said yes Let us see what u say…….

    I can debate on ur religion and go poing by point but let me bring up one point that was said earlier and see if you can answer….. there is a question posed to your muslim brother please see if you can answer……
    ———————————————————–

    Pacifist my question is not to slander ur religion but let us follow it with better logic:

    Muhammads life is the ideal and perfect life says quran am i slandering ur religion — NO.
    Muhammad married aiesha at the age of 6 and consummated her at the age of 9 is this slandering ur religion — NO

    based on above two extrapolating the facts to yourself:

    I am asking will u marry ur daughter or sister at age of 6 with the pious 51 year old muslim mulla who lived life exactly like Muhammad “as u musliman calls perfect” and let him consummate when ur sister/daughter is age of 9. Am I asking u something ur muhammad did not do — NO . Am i slandering ur religion NO.. it is in ur religion

    If u think that something is ethically or morally wrong with that, Then question yourself am I better person with ISLAM or without ISLAM. And take the right decision.

    LEAVE ISLAM THERE IS THE OPTION –THINK PEOPLE ARE DOING IT.
    ————————————————————-

    Amrit we as Hindus and kashmiris need to understand… that every religion evolved over time….. Islam evolved from Draggers swords and knifes to Guns bombs and AK-47’s.

    people when they read and understand ISLAM and its inner core meanings…. what u get is a jehadi terrorist….

    What is good in ISLAM answe is here in the website and read for yourself:

    http://www.faithfreedom.org/faq/4.htm

    That website is not written by me… but by a well educated Human who incidentally used to be muslim……

    Wave is going around world who am I and u to stop it….. we just need to accept the facts and move and support the wave…… that is it….
    Anil

    —————————————————————————

    Comment by koul Anil — August 26, 2008 @ 2:45 pm

  252. amit what did u have for supper? cow piss?

    Comment by The Pacifist — August 26, 2008 @ 3:03 pm

  253. Guys, please leave this Pacifist alone. S/he is not only stupid but immensly immature and not well read.

    Discussing with her/him is like teaching rocket science to 2 year old. You can fight illiteracy but not retarted brains.

    Pacifist: Do some soul searching and you will know why Islam is the most hated religion in the world and Muslims are looked down upon. People are ashamed, embarassed and scared of you. History has proved that Muslims have always back stabbed those who have supported them. It’s not just confined to India; it’s a global phenomenon

    Comment by AK — August 26, 2008 @ 3:06 pm

  254. My dear )(&&*%^$^#%

    Could not you think of better anwer….. u need medication…… to sleep…. use Camel urine with camel Milk…. that works it is in ur religious texts….. But before u take medicine my Question is staring at you and all your ISLAM loving muslims….. PLEASE ANSWER YES or accept the TRUTH….. Why fight about truth…..

    Anil

    Comment by koul Anil — August 26, 2008 @ 3:08 pm

  255. AK

    Out Rapid Action Force ( Chandra+VOJ) will take care of disturbed people ;)

    Comment by Vicky — August 26, 2008 @ 3:11 pm

  256. Guys and girls ….

    ONE REAL SUCCESS THAT YOU PEOPLE HAVE ACHIEVED … :

    @@@@@CHRISTIANITY , ISLAM , JUDAISM HAVE A LINK.

    YOU HAVE CONVERTED A JEW HATER MOSLEM TO A JEW LOVER ” ….

    WOOOOOOWWWWW …..

    now that they AGREE THAT THEY have links ….. “MOSLEMS CAN NOW CONVERT TO EITHER CHRIST OR JEWS ….. ”

    WE DONT WANT THEM ANYWAYS … :) :) :)

    i dont give a tiny rats ass about islam but this is a ” REAL VICTORY FOR KULDEEP AND ANIL ” ….

    CONGRATS YOU HAVE CONVERTED THE MOSLEM WHORE … :) :) :) …. PLEASE DONT CALL HER SISTER … I DONT WANNA BE A SISTER FUCKER …. :) :) ;) ….

    Comment by chandra — August 26, 2008 @ 3:21 pm

  257. ill tell you what i had for supper . BEEF IN GARLIC SAUCE . man WAS IT DELICIOUS OR WHAT

    Comment by The Pacifist — August 26, 2008 @ 3:24 pm

  258. i wish the whore comes back …

    i was gone for sometime so i missed the action …

    bring her on …. aaja mussalmani …. :) :) :) ….

    Comment by chandra — August 26, 2008 @ 3:25 pm

  259. i dint say i hate jews. i dont hate anyone. but right now ur makingme hate u! chandra do u even have a dic* to fuck with? or did you feed it to the monkey

    Comment by The Pacifist — August 26, 2008 @ 3:26 pm

  260. what u ate was PIG MEAT … PORK … u whore …

    aaj kis afghani si chudwa ke aayi he … ;)

    Comment by chandra — August 26, 2008 @ 3:28 pm

  261. Ps- yeah chandra u dont want to be a sister fucker.. i heard ur sister wish the same last night. tut tut

    Comment by The Pacifist — August 26, 2008 @ 3:29 pm

  262. hahahaa dude

    Comment by The Pacifist — August 26, 2008 @ 3:29 pm

  263. nice comeback :/ . get a life fag

    Comment by The Pacifist — August 26, 2008 @ 3:30 pm

  264. come and see it … ;) ….

    chull to utath he hoyegi …

    chull uthe to aaa jaana ….

    majja kara doonga tere pisso mussammed ki kassam

    Comment by chandra — August 26, 2008 @ 3:30 pm

  265. i dont have a sister ….

    me and my bro love to fuck the mussalmani’s ….

    they are very bendy and scream a lot …. allah allah allah … bas bhi karo ….

    :) :) :) :) …..

    Comment by chandra — August 26, 2008 @ 3:32 pm

  266. thanks for the laughs ….

    u are so fuckin funny pacifier … kiddo …

    :)
    :)
    :)
    :)

    Comment by chandra — August 26, 2008 @ 3:33 pm

  267. kahan gaya chuteye ? phat gai kya? apni behan ko to chood le . bichari

    Comment by The Pacifist — August 26, 2008 @ 3:35 pm

  268. lol yeah i bet you do ! cuz ur fucking black hindu girls are even worth fucking.

    Comment by The Pacifist — August 26, 2008 @ 3:36 pm

  269. oh oh chandra i just saw krishna running around your penis. he says he doesnt like it . its too small

    Comment by The Pacifist — August 26, 2008 @ 3:38 pm

  270. yeah … :)

    i dont mind fuckin the white mussalmanis anytime ….
    the kashmiri mussalli are a lil cheap too …

    they need money more … so cheap flesh …

    bas cheekhti bahot hein …

    kher whoh bhi majaaa he … ;)

    Comment by chandra — August 26, 2008 @ 3:39 pm

  271. nah … u are a waste …

    its getting boring now …

    u are not even a good fight …

    go kid have fun ..

    some cousin of urs might wanna have a fuck with u …..

    Comment by chandra — August 26, 2008 @ 3:41 pm

  272. WATCH

    Comment by The Pacifist — August 26, 2008 @ 3:45 pm

  273. chandra yack yack yack. . im not even getting angry by your comments. im sure ur some skinny black smelly hindu boy , ewww. go for a whack i m sure uv never been laid .

    Comment by The Pacifist — August 26, 2008 @ 3:47 pm

  274. watch the zakir naik video. he is the most awesome person iv ever seen .i wish i was as enlightened about islam as he is. i wud shut u the fuck up! go watch his videos and youll get your answers. watch the one iv posted here. surely this is authentic than you powerpoint slide videos about allah being a moon god. zakir naik is on stage talking and conversing with millions of people and other religious scholars as well. he shuts them up! u silly fuckers.

    Comment by The Pacifist — August 26, 2008 @ 3:54 pm

  275. “and they say … mohammed to hijda tha …

    tabhi to itni beewion ke paas jaake bhi majja pyaas nahin bujhti thi … ”

    well i have surely never laid u … ;)

    chull uthe to aa jaana …. ;)

    bure hi sahi … pisso mussamed ki kasam maaja kara doonga …

    tum to do chaar ko andar lle jaati hogi … ab to aadat ho gayo hogi na … ??

    n yeah i have a black one … ur mussalmani behne love it … ” they say kashmiri mussale to hijde hein mohammed ki tarhaan “…

    “tum log ho asli mard … tabhi to dogron ke saath bhi majja aata he hamein … tabhi unke saath bhagtein he hum log … ”

    their words … ;)

    Comment by chandra — August 26, 2008 @ 3:55 pm

  276. arre fack fuck chodo …

    chull uthe to kisi dogre ke paas chali jaana …

    mussalon se to tum pak gayi ho lagta he …

    tabhi idhar aake chodne ki baatein kar rahi ho …

    maaja chahiye to aise hi bata do …

    itni ladayi vadayi chodo …

    apna naam to bata de mussalli …

    mussammed ki kasam …. har angle se majja kara doonga … ;)

    Comment by chandra — August 26, 2008 @ 3:59 pm

  277. Comment by The Pacifist — August 26, 2008 @ 3:59 pm

  278. i cant understand most of your dogfri accent. lol what are u saying? watch the videos and stop fucking your sister. she’ll die. its not her fault no other girl wants to touch you

    Comment by The Pacifist — August 26, 2008 @ 4:01 pm

  279. arre kyon time bekaar kar rahi he …

    chull uth rahi he to majja kar le …

    aakhir rehna to tujhe kardon ke nicche hi he …

    tujh jaisiyon ki bahut demand he ….

    ;)

    ab to naam bata be … itne bhi kya nakhre … ;)

    Comment by chandra — August 26, 2008 @ 4:02 pm

  280. kya hua ab samajh aana bhi bannd ho gaya jaaneman …

    ab to tumhe dikhai aur sunaai bhi nahi dega …

    video to tumhari banayenge ab … ;)

    Comment by chandra — August 26, 2008 @ 4:04 pm

  281. ok iam going to stop wasting my time replying to this cheap smeelly hindu fag chandra. TO ALL THE OTHERS WHO WERE INTERESTED IN GETTING LOGICAL ANSWERS , WATCH THE VIDEOS I HAVE POSTED HERE> WATCH DR ZAKIR NAIK TALK ABOut THE PROPHET MUHAMED IN HINDUISM . im sure if this gay chandra had time to know his religion he wudnt have said such stupid things. i dont blame him , he cant stop doing his sister.

    Comment by The Pacifist — August 26, 2008 @ 4:05 pm

  282. bye bye …

    Comment by chandra — August 26, 2008 @ 4:07 pm

  283. jab chull uthe phirse to aa jaana …

    tumhe phir dose de doonga ..

    chull mit jaayegi ..

    ;)

    Comment by chandra — August 26, 2008 @ 4:08 pm

  284. well …

    didnt even require the help of VOJ ….

    i was enuf for the whore …

    :)
    :)
    ;)

    Comment by chandra — August 26, 2008 @ 4:12 pm

  285. Pawandurani
    I woul dhave responded earlier but the Internet in KAshmir is pathetic hence the delay.
    you wrote
    ###The fact remains that Pakistan had to vacate the Kashmir which they have been ##occupying since 1948,. The fact remains that Kofi Anan has said that all UN ##resolutions on Kashmir are irrelevant, the fact remains that Pakistan has been ##responsible for infiltration of terrorists in Kashmir,the fact remains that terrorists ##camps exist in POK,the fact remains that even in Indian constitution Article 370 is ##just a “Temporary Provision”
    WHat you said is one side of the coin ,
    the fact remains India had to vacate Kashmir and hold a plebescite which they havent done after 61 years . There is no struggle in Pok against Pakistan but there is one in Iok(Indian occupied Kashmir) against India.
    The fact remains that though Kofi Annan said but he couldnt deletye the UN resolution on KAshmir from the UN charter It still remains and he left UN without changing what he said. And mind you OIC said hold Plebescite in KAshmir, Plethora of Indian writers say give right of self determination in KAshmir, US tacitly wants the Kashmir issue to be resolved.
    The fact remains that India hold ISI and Pakistan responsible even the minutest issue related to violence in India, the fact remains that Kashmiris , indegenous Kashmiris got trained in Pok ( Not PAkistan) and wanted freedom from India,
    The fact remains that Article 370 is enshrined in the Indian contitution since 1950 though temporary but then Pawan durani what is permanet in this World even the Indian occupation of KAshmir is temporary
    Independence is Inevitable …..

    Comment by innocuous tyro — August 26, 2008 @ 4:19 pm

  286. guys …

    these people only understand the language of sticks …

    keep tryin but they are a waste because their thinking has been hijacked ..

    they just are not willing to understand that their religion is what is the devil …

    but time will come .. its better they change …

    or else THE FUTURE IS BAD FOR THEM …

    NOT JUST IN INDIA … THEY WILL SUFFER EVERYWHERE IN THIS WORLD ..

    ITS MOHAMMEDS CURSE ON THEM …

    MAY GOD BLESS THE POOR SOULS …

    Comment by chandra — August 26, 2008 @ 4:21 pm

  287. chadra tuje to galiyon ke begair aur kuch nahin atta hai , i think . is post mein sabse loser insaan tu hi hai. instead of talking about the current situation and the religious fight u started, your talking shit. i dont blame u . bechara frustrated hai , chal b thankfull apni behen se hi kaam chala ab.
    go watch the 2 vids i posted. itll shut ur mouth .

    Comment by The Pacifist — August 26, 2008 @ 4:21 pm

  288. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJHbEWs-m_s&feature=related

    this is wht YOUR religion says . not mine

    Comment by The Pacifist — August 26, 2008 @ 4:23 pm

  289. go ask for forgiveness for whatever youve said. or burn in hell fire

    Comment by The Pacifist — August 26, 2008 @ 4:24 pm

  290. abe phir UN ka rona lekar aa gaya …

    de to di chithi …

    ab intezaar karo ..

    UN tumhari madad zaroor karega … ;)

    Comment by chandra — August 26, 2008 @ 4:25 pm

  291. hello my sister….. I have watched his videos why dont u watch his video here supporting terrorism…… It is ISLAM that has corrupted a good man like Zakir Nair also:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bxk5AAA5FbI&feature=related

    the video and listed what the same zakir says…. It is zakir supporting Osama….. Think again

    Anil

    Comment by koul Anil — August 26, 2008 @ 4:26 pm

  292. phir chull uth gayi tujhe … ??

    randi kitni chull he tujhme …

    jammu jaake chudwa kyon nahin leti ?? ….

    Comment by chandra — August 26, 2008 @ 4:28 pm

  293. nah baby i will ask god to have mercy on the poor islami souls …

    today …

    naseeruddin shah said on NDTV show …

    “moslems need to enlighten ” ..

    thats the only way forward for them …

    his mind was also corrupted by these people ..

    but he somehow got out of it …

    thats whats these poor lost souls should also do …

    LISTEN TO IT …

    Comment by chandra — August 26, 2008 @ 4:31 pm

  294. Dear sister…. I have seen the colors of ISLAM preaching Mullas change like that of Girgat “Chameleon” Same people will talk different languages depending on the audience.

    Sister fact is that most muslims are illiterate and don’t know the meaning of the verses they read, and mullas have always twisted and turned those verses to suit their situation…..

    52 year mulla will quote muhammad married 6 year old Aiesha when he wants to marry some little girl in Afgan…. and will quote Allah asked us to kill all Kafirs when and those who oppose him and holy teachings….. when some one will ask him it does not look ethical for you to marry 6 year old…….

    Think sister who laid down those rules and gave opportunity to people to use and misuse them against humanity Muhammad and quran…..

    Please sister you could not answer my question but that is a fact about ISLAM….. give a deep un biased thought afer drinking kehva and taking few deep breaths……

    Anil

    Comment by koul Anil — August 26, 2008 @ 4:35 pm

  295. Dear sister Just in case you forgot my question here I will post it again for your benefit and benefit of others who missed reading it earlier: remember I am not slandering ISLAM they are facts presented to you and your brothers and sisters…….
    _____________________________________
    dear Pacifist….. We have asked this question to many people but so far no one said yes Let us see what u say…….

    I can debate on ur religion and go poing by point but let me bring up one point that was said earlier and see if you can answer….. there is a question posed to your muslim brother please see if you can answer……
    ———————————————————–

    Pacifist my question is not to slander ur religion but let us follow it with better logic:

    Muhammads life is the ideal and perfect life says quran am i slandering ur religion — NO.
    Muhammad married aiesha at the age of 6 and consummated her at the age of 9 is this slandering ur religion — NO

    based on above two extrapolating the facts to yourself:

    I am asking will u marry ur daughter or sister at age of 6 with the pious 51 year old muslim mulla who lived life exactly like Muhammad “as u musliman calls perfect” and let him consummate when ur sister/daughter is age of 9. Am I asking u something ur muhammad did not do — NO . Am i slandering ur religion NO.. it is in ur religion

    If u think that something is ethically or morally wrong with that, Then question yourself am I better person with ISLAM or without ISLAM. And take the right decision.

    LEAVE ISLAM THERE IS THE OPTION –THINK PEOPLE ARE DOING IT.
    ————————————————————-

    Wave is going around world who am I and u to stop it….. we just need to accept the facts and move and support the wave…… that is it….
    Anil

    Comment by koul Anil — August 26, 2008 @ 4:44 pm

  296. chull that u cant get rid of sister …

    thats in ur pussy …

    that needs a black long dick like mine …

    to satisfy u …

    i know … mussalman cant satisfy u … or else u wont be here … u whore … :)
    :)
    :)

    if u are horny …. go get fucked …

    i am sure u will find dogra who wants to please u …. … :)
    :)
    :)

    Comment by chandra — August 26, 2008 @ 4:56 pm

  297. Dear sister…. For chandra you have so many answers and for me none…. I have always been polite and nice is that the reason u don’t see my logic….

    The more I see ur comments more I get to beleive that you dont know ISLAM at all and u are still muslim…..

    Simple question suddenly became worth a PHd for you….. Take time and if u don’t want to answer me dont have to I can understand ur pain and feel it too…….. But now I am sure that U know the answer is in ur heart … which is pure…..

    Thank you my sister and have a great time ….
    ANIL

    Comment by koul Anil — August 26, 2008 @ 5:05 pm

  298. Thanks sister….. I got ur answer…..
    Thank you very much….. and just a small wish from your brother….
    Please be happy always and may god give u enough courage to follow ur conscience and take right decisions in your life in all fields……
    ANIL

    Comment by koul Anil — August 26, 2008 @ 5:24 pm

  299. Chandra… I think we should never make dirty comments or use abusive language to any one especially ladies……lf we read and gain more knowledge about ISLAM, we will be able to argue any kind of person even if they use abusive language. We have to live upto our culture and ethics before we teach ISLAM to muslims………

    I really apologize to you my sister on behalf of my brothers who used bad language. We should discuss religion, land or any thing based on facts and logic, but not use abusive language.

    I personally do not use politically correct language and wont recommend to anyone to use it. That is what has killed us as a community…. We try to please all people by being politically correct…. That will distort the truth and present it as totally different scenario…. we as Hindu community have to accept our past and learn, extrapolate based on facts and put it in present perspective…..

    Thanks for reading…..
    Anil

    Comment by koul Anil — August 26, 2008 @ 5:46 pm

  300. ##########innocuous tyro

    ########## US tacitly wants the Kashmir issue to be resolved.
    You tru t us a lot, whole world doesn’ have faith on that country and your adoring..
    Good vision.
    Independence is not a dream.

    Kashmir belongs to Indians, May be Kashmiris like you don’t belong to India.
    India is Mine…Kashmir is Mine.

    3 Points you have..Article 370,plebiscite,UN stuff..
    Anything else…All are shit old.
    HEY ONE MORE FACT FOR YOU TO TASTE
    The fact you miss.. Freeedom voice rises in The valley and echos and dies.
    Why only 1 Part ……..Dude !!!

    Comment by Animesh — August 26, 2008 @ 6:07 pm

  301. Kashmiri Muslims can not be our brothers or sisters…… They are all traitors, antinational…..terrorists, rapists, killers…. any Indian would not like to associate with them.

    Comment by Voice Of Jammu — August 26, 2008 @ 6:47 pm

  302. Kashmiri Soul:

    You have nailed the perfect picture on the wall of what KASHMIRI MUSLIM is… this picture is a hanging truth which all Indians need to understand. Muslims can not be our friends… they are just taking advantage of our tolerance and ignorance regarding KORAN…. which is “bible of terror”

    Kashmiri Muslims are just like a “fly on the wall” watching all of us they can not tolerate 100 acres of land to hindus…. just imagin how are they tolerating 80 crore hindus…… Let’s NOW become intolerant to this community and pay them back in same way when they are outside “KASHMIR”

    Comment by Voice Of Jammu — August 26, 2008 @ 8:49 pm

  303. It gives me immense pleasure that more and more of my brothers are coming out and speaking their heart against the evil cult on earth— named ISLAM…..

    Save muslim from ISLAM…..
    muslim – ISLAM = Peaceful Human……

    Muslims time to think and rethink…..
    Kuldeep

    Comment by Kuldeep Trisal — August 26, 2008 @ 8:51 pm

  304. Kashmiri Soul

    Your frustation is genuine as you are bereft of your motherland. I have mentioned in my earlier posts on this forum , only 373 Kashmiri Pandits have ben killed since 1990 and compare it with nearly 2,00,000 muslims killed by Indian Security forces and the number increases every day.
    Although no killing can be justified but we regret the killing of these 373 KP’s but a few in them were Indian agents like “Saata Galdaar”, “Lassal Koul”. And you are wrong when you say that Kashmirir muslims didnt come to your rescue when as you allegedly say were raped , killed. I am a witness we saved numerous pandit families when the fury against India was at its cresendo in 1990.
    You are seeing only one side on the story have you ever asked your cousin what has happened to the 6 million kashmiris living in Kashmir. Remind him of the massacre of Hawal , Gow Kadal, Sopore, the mass rape in Kunan Poshpora, Handwara . The thousands of fake killings under teh garb of Operation Tiger, the numerous custodial killings and the everday killing in cross fire . The list goes on and who did it …..”INDIA SECURITY FORCES”\
    you are wondering how can human beings behave so callously and kill 373 KP’s with disdain. Friend go to teh annals of history and ask those who have witnessed the 1947 riots in Jammu. Nearly 8 lakh muslims assembled on the Atari Railway station for mgration to Pakistan and what did teh Indian Fanatics do when the train left it was stopped midway and set on fire resulting in the killing of 3 Lakh muslims …. Arent you wondered by this callusness and cruelty.
    WHen revolutions occur a few hiccups are bound to happen but that i no way means we are justifying the killings of 373 KP’s , our heart bleds for them but to leave the valley was their decision influenced by Jagmohan not by Kashmiri Muslims.
    Secondly you have shown utter disregard to the Muslim faith and the Prophet Muhammed(SAW) . It is surprising to hear intellectuals like you saying things without reason. You have pointed fingers on the Koran without an iota of logic.
    I would ask you to read the books not from the prism of your biased intellect but from an impartial perspective. Listen to videos of Zakir Naik and other scholars to know the real truth.
    I can give you innumerable links and reasons which can shake the foundation of your faith but that is not how i have being broght up , Let truth prevail and it will come to teh fore one day.
    The Prophet of Humnanity married eleven women and he did not marry them for libido but to give them a respectful life as 9 of his wives werwe widows. The wife whon you have pointed out was his disciple and learned the religion from the Prophet. You are mentioning things out of context by just taking a line from the essay .
    It is just like me saying “Lord Krishna was a killer because he killed his relatives as in Mahabaratha epic” but that is out of context to know the truth we need to know the exact history and then arrive at the conclusion.
    Similarly Pandaves used their wife in gambling if i say that Huindus treat their wives as just a thing to gambe it would be out of context .
    In the same manner the fingers p[ointed out by you are out of context and to know th etruth you need to shun the blinkers of bias and come with an open mind.
    I have told yesterday also
    I am ready for the Jammu jaggernaut and the Kashmiri Pandit diaspora , they seem to have huge misconceptions about KAshmir and Islam and i will try my best to overcome their misconceptions.

    …..Thanks

    Comment by innocuous tyro — August 27, 2008 @ 5:01 am

  305. Dear Innocuous Tyro

    “WHen revolutions occur a few hiccups are bound to happen but that i no way means we are justifying the killings of 373 KP’s , our heart bleds for them but to leave the valley was their decision influenced by Jagmohan not by Kashmiri Muslims.”

    The Kashmiri Pandit population at that time was about 5 % or so of the entire population of Kashmir ?

    Dont you remember the night of 26 th January 1989 when there were loud speakers put up across all the mosques in the valley and the announcements that were made from those loud speakers ?

    To remind you….

    One of the statements was “Kashmiri Pandits leave Kashmir, otherwise you would all be butchered”. These announcements were made simultaneously across the valley.

    You put your feet in the shoes of 4% of unarmed innocent Pandits and then tell me what would have been your reaction….

    Comment by Rohit — August 27, 2008 @ 5:13 am

  306. Amit

    ###Mr. PACIFIST kashmir was part of India and will be part of India. If few people ###start shouting AZADI doesnt mean we can give our land. I , being a state ###subject, am equally a party in this decision as you are. It’s high time come with us ###and start thinking about future of JnK’s development. A landllocked kashmir will ###end up as base for talibans or US or pakistan. Lets admit we(jammu and kashmir ####ppl) are not brothers, so lets become good neighbors and start respecting each #####other. May god will give us enough intelligence to realize our brotherhood again.

    Kashmir was never a part of India it was a princely state and at India Independence all teh 546 princely states barring three ( Kashmir, Junagarh, Hyderabad) annexed to India. So Kqashmir was never a per of India get your facts and histroy correct.
    A landlocked KAshmir will end up as a base ……you are talking in the future tense , fisrt let KAshmir get freedom then these issues may be seen. You cant deny 13 million people their right of self determinatio n just because you have some apprehensions .

    ###Why did farooq Abdullah renamed 800 villages from old kashmiri names to islamic ###names?
    You need to name these villages to prove your veracity. If some vilages have been renamed that is just vote bank politics . DIdnt SHiv Sena rename Bombay to Mumbai, didnt MAdras get rechristened to Chennai, Didnt Cannaught Place get renamed as Rajiv Gandhi Chowk, DIdnt Calcutta get renamed as KolKatta . It is just to garb votes nothing to do with cultural invasion.
    ###Why Kashmiri pandits were brutally murdered and tortured if they were your brothers?
    only 373 Kashmiri Pandits have ben killed since 1990 and compare it with nearly 2,00,000 muslims killed by Indian Security forces and the number increases every day.
    When revolutions occur a few hiccups do happen but these are ineveitable.

    ###Why SUN temple in martang (now mutton) is in ruins, why priests ask your name ###and then tell you story of temple ? I saw fear of death in his eyes.
    One temp[le may be in ruins but how many mosques are like that . why isnt ShankarAcharya Temple, Kher Bhawani, Hunuman Mandir and other numerous temples in Kashm,ir not in ruins. WHy have 7 lakh Pnadits survived in a muslim majority state.
    Now tell me WHy is Babri Mosque in ruins and numerous other mosques at Mughal masouleums in ruins.

    ###What is this Nizame-Mustafa? Why not you raising slogans like Nizame-kashmir? ###This shows how religion centric you are, and you are blaming jammu people.
    Kashmir has an ideological affinity with Niozam – e- Mustafa. Nizam-e-Mustafa doesnt mean all have to convert to islqam ..NO. It is a code of conduct and gives all religions equal status .You definition of Nizam e mustafa is incorrect .

    ###Why kashmiri muslims are buying land in jammu that too at 3 times the price? ####Who is changing demography?
    It is the same state and no one bars us from buying our own land. It is people like you who are being divisive when it comes to J&K. We believe J&K is one.

    #####Why is 76% govt jobs held by Kashmiri muslims in jnk, when population is ####almost equal of both regions? Why don’t you say its a discrimination?
    You seem to be contradicting yourself. On one hand you say Kashmiri muslims and on teh other you say both regions have equal population. FYI J&K has 68 % muslim population . Now read this

    According to a computation made by the General Administration Department (GAD) in 2005, for submission to the Sachar Committee, the state had roughly 3,52,000 employees. The Department worked out the percentage of employees to the total strength of respective communities. Hindu employees represent 4.61 percent of the 30 lakh Hindu population in the state whereas Muslims have a representation of 2.85 percent for the 68 lakh Muslim population. So relative to the respective populations, Hindus outnumber Muslims in the State government. This should question the ‘assertions’ of discrimination effusing from the winter capital. Ridicule them. Deflate them.
    Starting with the Indian Administrative Service (IAS), the total cadre strength is 94 with 24 officers belonging to the Kashmir division, 27 officers belonging to the Jammu division and two from Ladakh. The other 41 babus are from outside the state. So where exactly is Jammu getting discriminated in all this? Delusion, but nothing!

    Need more proof!!!!!!!!! ask me

    ####You are saying Indians are cunning, KM leaders are most shrewd, they know ###how to rob India.
    Having read the facts above the answer to this question is not necessary.

    Thanks

    Comment by innocuous tyro — August 27, 2008 @ 6:03 am

  307. @innocuous tyro

    My understanding is that we cannot co-exist peacefully, one of us have to change ideology.
    It will keep repeating.

    It is SURVIVAL of THE FITTEST.

    Let us watch …..

    btw, if I would have read all this from indian sites I would have never agree on it. Go and defend what west says we are just analyzing what people say.
    yes I have been watching Zakir’s video, he talk logical most of the time.
    But I was surprised to see his stance on 9/11 .

    Anyway once again all this is crap, the bottom line is

    “SURVIVAL of FITTEST”
    Or
    “MIGHT is RIGHT”

    Comment by Vicky — August 27, 2008 @ 6:06 am

  308. Dear innocuous tyro

    Am waiting for your reply to my post…

    Comment by Rohit — August 27, 2008 @ 6:07 am

  309. Rohit
    you are exaggerating the facts , i too was in Kashmir on 26 jan 1990( not 1989 as u say) and a massacre of 200 kashmir muslims had occured on 19 Jan 1990 at Gaw Kadal and may be just a few mosques of that area out of utter fury may have said against KPs AS THE INCIDENT OF gAW kADAL WAS VERY FRESH Nut bot the whole of kashmir.
    You left Kashmir because Jagmohan told you and that voice resonated at all Temples and not becaSUE WE kASHMIRIS TOLD YOU.
    We sympathikse with you but like you we also were unarmed but the only difference was we were with teh movement you were not.

    Comment by innocuous tyro — August 27, 2008 @ 6:11 am

  310. @Rohit
    Now tell me WHy is Babri Mosque in ruins and numerous other mosques at Mughal masouleums in ruins.

    This is called “MIGHT is RIGHT”

    Let us accept the face , it is clash of ideologies.
    The mightier one will survive finally .

    Comment by Vicky — August 27, 2008 @ 6:20 am

  311. Viicky
    if 11 crore muslims can coexist with 82 crore hindus in India why cant 40 lak hindus coexist with 80 lakh muslims in an independent Kashmir.
    If you say might is right you may have also heard Truth cannot be silenced by force.
    Might may be right for a temporary period but in the end it succumbs. Every rise has a fall and the fall of Indian occupation in Kashmir is evident.
    Survival of the fittest in this globallly ecoonomised world is a fallacy. Why doesnt India stop all its imports if it can survive on its own.
    Talk sense and dont be driven by sentiments.

    Comment by innocuous tyro — August 27, 2008 @ 6:25 am

  312. Vicky
    it is not the mightier one that will survive but the one which has more power to influence that will survive.
    Wait and watch just like the Sensex and Nifty investors are doing nowadays.

    Comment by innocuous tyro — August 27, 2008 @ 6:28 am

  313. #Survival of the fittest in this globallly ecoonomised world is a fallacy.

    Look how America is hitting his enemy and no one dares to stop, why?
    Its enemy had no option other that to defend that is what those guys are doing.
    Look at Saddam … who cares in this fast world if he was right/wrong …..
    Just Kill your enemy before he kills you.
    When I say Kill that does not mean Physically ….

    #why cant 40 lak hindus coexist with 80 lakh muslims in an independent Kashmir.
    Did I not answer you earlier, we don’t want to change ?

    #11 crore muslims can coexist with 82 crore hindus in India
    They don’t have any other option that staying here.
    Either they have to change Or they have to quit it .

    Let us not try to please each other, it is fact and you see it everywhere in world.

    Comment by Vicky — August 27, 2008 @ 6:39 am

  314. #more power to influence that will survive.

    Right, power in this age does not mean physical power.
    I don’t think I have explain you, you are smart enough.

    Look at Israel how they are surviving…. may more examples from the history can also be given.

    Look at how Japan ….
    I hope we see India too soon ;)

    Comment by Vicky — August 27, 2008 @ 6:43 am

  315. Animesh
    you posted
    #########innocuous tyro

    ########## US tacitly wants the Kashmir issue to be resolved.
    ###You tru t us a lot, whole world doesn’ have faith on that country and your adoring..
    ##Good vision.
    ###Independence is not a dream.

    ###Kashmir belongs to Indians, May be Kashmiris like you don’t belong to India.
    ###India is Mine…Kashmir is Mine.

    ###3 Points you have..Article 370,plebiscite,UN stuff..
    ###3Anything else…All are shit old.
    ###HEY ONE MORE FACT FOR YOU TO TASTE
    ##3The fact you miss.. Freeedom voice rises in The valley and echos and dies.
    ###Why only 1 Part ……..Dude !!!

    now is my rebuttal , please read

    I am not adoring US i just said it also wants the KAshmir issue to be resolved.Indian relations with US have always ben uneasy and that is why India has not been able to suppress the real voice of Kashmiris at the global arena.
    My vision is that India cannot afford to have acrimonious relations with US ..agree it or not.
    All of you say Kashmir belongs to India …..seems you ignore my posts , i have given ample proof from histroy and facts that Kashmir never belonged to India you need to read my posts. Kashmir has been disputed since 1947
    We have three points and for you that may be be little. DUde Revolutions dont require a heap of issues just one issue is sufficient. Wasn’t the 1857 mutiny triggered by a bullet cartridge bite.
    Wasn’t the World War I started by the death od a simpel Lord of Duke
    Revolutions always have erupted by one issue and for us it is “Right of self determination”
    Freedom voice raises not from teh Valley but from al lparts except Jammu because they have been trapped in the BJP ideology and money

    Comment by innocuous tyro — August 27, 2008 @ 6:45 am

  316. @innocuous tyro

    I am personally perfectly okay with your ideology .
    There is one GOD and without his will not a leaf will move

    So the same GOD(yours+mine) is making the entire world to do it .
    He is making you guys to behave like that and us also ….
    Let us be happy ;)
    And let him control us …..

    Comment by Vicky — August 27, 2008 @ 6:46 am

  317. For KM who said Jagmohan had told us to leave valley

    http://www.kashmiri-pandit.org/projectr3/survivorstories.php?sid=0

    What was out mistake here ????

    Comment by Vicky — August 27, 2008 @ 6:51 am

  318. Vicky
    yes
    jusy as you hope India will too , what sin do i commit if i say
    Kashmir too will survive

    Comment by innocuous tyro — August 27, 2008 @ 6:51 am

  319. @innocuous
    #what sin do i commit if i say Kashmir too will survive

    Ask your/my God why he making us to behave like that, I don’t have answer.

    Do you believe that with his wish not a single leaf will move?

    Peace

    Comment by Vicky — August 27, 2008 @ 6:55 am

  320. Vicky
    Seems you have agreed on the KAshmir debate and now you have shifted focus to the ideology and faith.
    ###So the same GOD(yours+mine) is making the entire world to do it .
    ###He is making you guys to behave like that and us also ….
    ####Let us be happy
    ####And let him control us
    We need to discuss the concept of GOD in our faiths to answer your question.
    To put it simply , GOD gave us the power to think and he send 124000 messengers to give His message to us , now it is for us to decide what is right and what is wrong. GOD has given us the paths and the thi nking to choose teh right path .
    GOD is not making us behave the way we behave , it is our psyche, our perspective, our thinking which makes us behave the way we do.
    Let us not blame God of all our mess , let us introspect and endeavour to follow the right path.

    Comment by innocuous tyro — August 27, 2008 @ 6:59 am

  321. @innocuous

    I understand what you are trying to say but we all are always left helpless in front of destiny.
    We KP’s survived may be it was GOD’s wish ….
    You all had to suffer it may again be GOD’s wish …..

    I am very optimistic person and believe in meritocracy, if you deserve you will get it but yes is will take time ….

    So if you really think it is better for you and your future I would recommend you to come forward and lead people , I hope you are a good HUMAN ;)

    Basically we all must respect GOD’s creation ie HUMAN ;) but again it depends on GOD as we are just puppets …

    right…..

    Comment by Vicky — August 27, 2008 @ 6:59 am

  322. #Do you believe that with his wish not a single leaf will move?

    You did not answer this …

    Peace.

    Comment by Vicky — August 27, 2008 @ 7:01 am

  323. #GOD has given us the paths and the thi nking to choose teh right path .

    Do you understand now why KP’s leave valley?

    Comment by Vicky — August 27, 2008 @ 7:02 am

  324. Dear innocuous tyro

    It seems you are much sensible person to talk to.

    Okay tell me do the Seperatist leaders in Kashmir ( Yasin Malik, Geelani, Umar Fafookh and others… ) represent the civil society of Kashmir that you belong to ?

    I am just trying to start from scratch…

    Comment by Rohit — August 27, 2008 @ 7:07 am

  325. Vicky
    What you said is the basic tenet of my faith ..ISLAM
    We must respect GOD’s creation and no one denies that , but i differ with you when you say we are GOD’s puppets , although we are his creation but he gave us the phenomenal power to think and teh extent of that power is such that we can go to an extent that we can think like an Atheist. SO we have full freedom from GOD when it comes to thinking , but we ned to search for the right path and the right ideology.
    Destiny is a reality but it can be changed by our actions .
    “The more i work hard the more lucky i am “\
    Right!!!Mahra theek cha.

    Comment by innocuous tyro — August 27, 2008 @ 7:10 am

  326. Vicky
    I agree without Gods will not a leaf will move but that does not deter a human to think the way he pleases whether right or wrong. We cant blame God for our misdeeds.
    Yes i understand why KP’s left the valley but was it a right decision needs to be mooted. because if it was you would never have this forum at all in the first place. Your diaspora would never portray youself as hapless , ill treated people to gain sympathy. You would never fight for a homeland along the banks of jehlum under the panun Kashmir banner. you would not spare any chance to tel lthe world that we migrated out not because it was a sensible decison but because we were thrown out.
    You cant have teh cake and eat it too ..
    Either say it was the best decision to leave kashmir or else say we regret it and please dont tell the World that kashmiris did it , tell them we left on our own.

    Comment by innocuous tyro — August 27, 2008 @ 7:19 am

  327. Mr..innocuous tyro

    i know hstory more than u ok… u know about plebiscite. Then u must also know that indain govt has agreed over this and said that pleb will only be conducted in kashmir when every foreign milltant is out of kashmir…so make ur pok brothers out of india and then talk about pleb… and what u are saying about hydrabad and junagarh… i m very well aware of that … like we were having muslims in whole country some of them flee to pakistan .. people of these cities should have also done same… it is not good for a country to have pakistan from each and every side…. i think when u read about hyd or junagarh u must have read this also… kashmir was independent before pakistan attacked it and shiekh abuddalah and hari singh asked the indian govt for help.i… then were is indian govt wrong… if uall want to go to pakistan …. please leave….but before that see t hecondition of pok… hell with ur pakistan…
    And what will u say about the millitant attack in jammu… that 2 is done by indian army …right…u r millitants are small babies… they can’t do anything rt

    Comment by Neha — August 27, 2008 @ 7:21 am

  328. Rohit!!!!
    ARe you being stairical or complimentary ,,,i dont know\
    Starting from scratch may not be possible but let me answer you questyion
    CIvil society is not represented by individuals like Yasin Malik, Geelani etc but asociety is represented by its ideology .
    The ideology of civil society of Kashmir is to “ask India for the right of self determination” i.e. to hold a plebescite whether to go with India or Pakistan and a section of society wants a third option and that is “Azadi” and independent nation.
    Remeber a revolution is abobve individuals and it can absorb a plethora of views as long as they are convergent.

    Comment by innocuous tyro — August 27, 2008 @ 7:23 am

  329. innocuous tyro :

    My facts are straight, JnK was a princely state headed by Maharaja Hari Singh, I agree there were flaws in the way JnK was annexed to india. Thanks to PANDIT NEHRU.

    I want to make it crystal clear.. If Kasmir wants freedom, please leave Jammu outside this. We were Indians and will be Indians forever. WE ARE NOT WITH ANY FREEDOM DEMAND.

    If it persists like this we will not shy away from separating from Kashmir.

    Also, Please conrol your fidayeen brothers who have killed 5 innocents in Jammu today. What is that you need to prove by these killings?

    With current political drama and the way UPA govt is following appeasement policy , I am not only hurt but badly shattered.

    I PLEDGE TODAY I WILL NEVER VOTE FOR CONGRESS WHOLE OF MY LIFE. I WILL NEVER FORGIVE CONGRESS FOR ITS POLICY OF IGNORING NATIONALS AND PLEAEING ANTI NATIONALS. CONGRESS GOVT WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR PLIGHT OF KASHMIRI PANDITS, WE WILL NOT LET THAT HAPPEN AGAIN.

    Comment by Amit — August 27, 2008 @ 7:25 am

  330. if junagarh and hydrabad were given to pakistan then one day whole india would change into pak.. because then we find millitants frm every side….

    and why the pakistan didn’t left the areas where hindu pop. was more.
    . why there pop decreased from 15%to 1 or 2.. ?
    why they are treated like 4th class citizens..?
    why hindus were forc converted into muslims?.
    why there womens were raped .?
    .why ahindu was not allowed to be the cj of pak.?
    . when u will answer me these questions… i ll put on hundreds of more question then please answer them also….:) thats why ur pakistan is so backward and having dictators…

    Comment by Neha — August 27, 2008 @ 7:28 am

  331. Quote by innocuous tyro :CIvil society is not represented by individuals like Yasin Malik, Geelani etc but asociety is represented by its ideology

    Do you know what ideology kashmir people have? you are defending Nizame-Mustafa.. can you defend Sex sacandal in kashmir.

    I know many girls who left kashmir for studying in Bangalore. They prefer mini’s over bhukha’s. They prefer partying hard just like other people of same generation. Alcohol and smoking is just normal for them.

    Just go to bangalore and conduct a study… you will know what ideology kashmiri youth have adopted.

    FACT is kashmir has become source of drugs, weapons and adultery… thats the truth accept it.

    Ideology cannot be forced, dont try to talibanize kashmir. Let them live.

    Comment by Amit — August 27, 2008 @ 7:33 am

  332. Dear Innocuous Tyro

    Not at all dear.. I genuinly feel that you talk sense.

    Yes, plebecite is the solution and that has been agreed to by the UN as well in its 1948 security council resolution. Curiosity sake I went to their website yesterday… :)

    Now for the time being lets forget about the UN.

    According to you for “the right of self determination” we have three options ..

    1) Acceed to Pakistan
    2) Have an independent country called Kashmir
    3) Acceed to India

    Am I right…

    Comment by Rohit — August 27, 2008 @ 7:33 am

  333. innocuous tyro —————>

    #########My vision is that India cannot afford to have acrimonious relations with US ..agree it or not.

    Time will tell..Energy Matters.
    Insha-Allah woh bhi din aayega, Jab hum hukum karenge tab US/UK uska palan karenge

    ########All of you say Kashmir belongs to India …..seems you ignore my posts , i have given ample proof from histroy and facts that Kashmir never belonged to India you need to read my posts. Kashmir has been disputed since 1947
    What about signed document of accession with Union of India by your Maharaja.
    Will you deny this fact too.

    The UN Security Council on 20 January 1948 passed Resolution 39, establishing a special commission to investigate the conflict. Subsequent to the commission’s recommendation, the Security Council ordered in its Resolution 47, passed on 21 April 1948, that the invading Pakistani army retreat from Jammu & Kashmir and that the accession of Kashmir to either India or Pakistan be determined in accordance with a plebiscite to be supervised by the UN.

    I will listen to your Azadi, If & Only If…Jammu Ladakh where also supporting you guys.
    But thats not the reality.
    And plebiscite will only happen if Pakistan removes his army from Pok, which hasn’t happened till date.
    UN can see the Tiranga in Jammu, doesn’t it send a Clear message to the world.

    Revolutions defintely start with one Issue…Which has to be authentic, not by a community or by a region of The J & K state.

    #########Freedom voice raises not from teh Valley but from al lparts except Jammu because they have been trapped in the BJP ideology and mone
    If people of Jammu love BJP Idelogy, that shows ther affinty towards India.
    and the same is the case with Ladakh.

    Why your azadi voice was silent for last decade ??
    Why its is suddenly revived only with Land Issue??
    Why sudden desperation to move out ??

    This is not revloution.

    Comment by Animesh — August 27, 2008 @ 7:36 am

  334. Neha
    The tone of your argument appears adamant and authoritaive. If you know history more than i know it is good for you at least facts would not be translucent to you.
    Now when will India believe that each and every foreign( i am glad u used this word) militant is out of Kashmir. I am afraid never because they rule the roost at the behest of force.
    You are beating around the bush , Now listen the truth of Hyderabd and junagarh.
    Hyderabad and Junagarh were princely states but of a different comp[osition and that was . Hyderabda had a Hindu majority but a Muslim ruler and Junagarh had a Muslim majority but a Hindu ruler. Sardar patel got the instrument of accession signed from these two states in 1956 in favour of India . But Kashmir which again had a Hindu ruller but muslim majortiy remained unresolved .
    Yes Kashmir asked for help from India BUt BUT BUT with the promise that they would vacate and hold a plebiscite under UN aegis which i am afraid your India has not done.
    Well PoK does not have a problem , the problem is IoK and once plebiscite if held it will be for both Pok and Iok.
    your tirade against Pakistan is not surprising because you echo the voice of India but iam afraid accept the truth Pakistan was snatched from the Jaws of India in 1947 and they couldnt do anything.
    The militant attack at Jammu is against the Army and the encounter at Batalab is still on , let us wait and watch who did it .
    You seem to talk more by emotions and less by logic , dont get driven by emotions they cant be right always.
    Humility is the forte of a girl and i am sure you are no exception.
    Thanks.

    Comment by innocuous tyro — August 27, 2008 @ 7:37 am

  335. @innocuous tyro :

    I agree without Gods will not a leaf will move but that does not deter a human to think the way he pleases whether right or wrong.

    What are you trying to do here, do you think we are fools here.
    You are contradicting ….

    Comment by Vicky — August 27, 2008 @ 7:38 am

  336. I never said what you concluded
    i meant God cannot do everything like he cant become Man, he cant become a tree , he cant have desires, he cant get angry, he cant laugh becaue if he does all these he ceases to be GOD. DOnt think GOD being like you and me , He is supernatural .
    What i meant was Humans have the power to think anything and God does not stop them from doing anything wrong .
    Thats is wht teh mind was given , to judge between the right and wrong.
    An Atheist said
    “I am an Atheist!!!Thank God”
    Point to ponder

    Comment by innocuous tyro — August 27, 2008 @ 7:43 am

  337. Amit
    If a few i girls have been driven into sex scandal how does that effect the ideology of teh society. If a few affluent Kashmiri girls drinmk in Bagalore how does that prove that all kashmiris want to be like that.
    Dont portray a few facts in a twisted manner to influence an opinion.
    The fact remains in order to understand a faith or an ideolofy do not see its followers but see the tenets of the faith. read teh scriptures of teh ideology and see the truth. The irony with so called muslims like the gilrs partying in Bangalore is that they take religion as salt in food, whatever soothes them they take other they refrain.
    If you agree to a faith agree in toto not in bits and pieces.
    You say Jammu & Ladakh are not withy the strugle, How many people wanted India when India got freedom, How may people wanted the union of East and West Germany, How Many pakistanis wanted todays bangladesh, How many peopl eof USSR wanted the division…teh answer to these is ….MAJORITY OF TEH PEOPLE WANTED THESE THINGS
    Same is teh case with KQAshmir ….Majority of us want freedom from India. Minorities get absorbed in Majority decisions.

    NO one is forcing ideology on you , i am just saying what the majority wants.

    Comment by innocuous tyro — August 27, 2008 @ 7:57 am

  338. ROhit
    As per the UN charter teh right of self determination has only two options
    1. Accede to India
    2, Accedd to Pakistan
    But as i said a new option is demended and that is Azadi.

    Comment by innocuous tyro — August 27, 2008 @ 7:59 am

  339. @innocuous tyro
    #Minorities get absorbed in Majority decisions.

    Did this not mean “MIGHT is RIGHT”

    Comment by Vicky — August 27, 2008 @ 8:04 am

  340. Neha read my answers and come back with your volley of questions

    @Neha
    ####if junagarh and hydrabad were given to pakistan then one day whole india

    ###would change into pak.. because then we find millitants frm every side….
    It is your illusuion becaue you have a stereotype of Pakistan and Islam in mind. Change the stereotype the picture will change

    ###and why the pakistan didn’t left the areas where hindu pop. was more.

    Name one place where hindus were more …fyi there wasnt any. All areas had majority muslim populace

    ###. why there pop decreased from 15%to 1 or 2.. ?
    False propaganda of India , the poulation has not decreased it has increased 2 %

    ###why they are treated like 4th class citizens..?
    Again our illusion, ask a single Pakistani hindu if he is treated such… Well mind you Pakistan does not call itself a ecular c ountry like India.

    ###why hindus were forc converted into muslims?.
    No forced conversion ,,,Danish Kaneria is still a Hindu, Forced conversion is untrue , you need to look at Orissa and Kerala for forced conversions and of course in tribal India.

    ###why there womens were raped .?
    The number of rapes in US per day is more than that in India , Rapes happen in every society all societies are not filled with Rams and Rahims there are Ravana and Yazids everywhere. Have you ever enquired how many rapes happen in India …..

    ###.why ahindu was not allowed to be the cj of pak.?
    Why hasnt been a muslim been a PM of India , was hasnt a muslim been an Army Chief. You need to see the population mix in Pakistan to have a CJ from Hindus in ($% muslim Pakistan he needs to be extra ordinary…

    ###. when u will answer me these questions… i ll put on hundreds of more question ##then please answer them also….:) thats why ur pakistan is so backward
    and having ###dictators…
    Waiting for more question n,,,Jammu Juvenile

    Comment by innocuous tyro — August 27, 2008 @ 8:10 am

  341. innocuous tyro :

    Your brothres from Porkistan have sneeked into Jammu town and have taken children hostage and killed 2 of them…..You are fighing a unholy cause which you are not capable of fighting on your own and you will not win….!!!

    Comment by Voice Of Jammu — August 27, 2008 @ 8:12 am

  342. @innocuous tyro
    Change the stereotype the picture will change

    How can she do it ?

    You only said
    #Minorities get absorbed in Majority decisions.

    why are you confusing us like as you are?

    Comment by Vicky — August 27, 2008 @ 8:16 am

  343. Vicky
    MIGHT is RIGHT to make truth into falsehood and viceversa but as i said before
    it is temporary…Truth prevails against all odds because falsehood is by nature moribund.

    When the majority wants freedom it cant be suppressed just by a few opposing voices.

    Comment by innocuous tyro — August 27, 2008 @ 8:17 am

  344. VOJ

    Sad to hear about it
    http://www.indianexpress.com/story/353959.html

    “taken children hostage and killed 2 of them”

    What a shame when they say that they have a cause, they have lost our trust long back ?

    Comment by Vicky — August 27, 2008 @ 8:20 am

  345. Vicky
    either you dont undertanmd what a stereotype means or else you are not accepting the reality.
    Minority decisions get crushed by majority decisions ..by this i meant that when Majority wants freedom , minority even if opposed cannot supppress it.
    Stereotype means an image made by a person of another thing/person/ideology . Even if the reality about a thing is brought in fronty of a person his stereotype about that thing forces him to ignore that truth.\
    So when i said change the stereotype , i meant change the pre conceived notion about Islam and pakistan and the picture would change.

    I presumed that people here are Above average and they might underatnd simple english …i was not entirely corrrect.

    Comment by innocuous tyro — August 27, 2008 @ 8:22 am

  346. If thats the case JAMMU region has almost equal number as kashmir. We want INDIA and the truth remains. We form the majority, we will choose where we want to go. If you so obsessed with pakistan. I will buy you a ticket, go and settle there.

    Dont drag us into this AZADI thing. Today we have just shouted slogans and there is so much unrest, agar tum nahin sudhre to seedha pakistan mein miloge. INSHALLA. Dont push us to limit that KASHMIR becomes a barrenland and people like you will be responsible for it.

    WE FORM THE MAJORITY, LETS DO A POPULATION SURVEY. KASHMIRI LEADERS HAVE TRIED THEIR BEST TO HIDE FACTS. ARTICLE 370 IS STILL HELD SO THAT AFGHANIS, PAKISTANI”S CAN COME IN KASHMIR AND SETTLE BUT NOT INDIANS. YOU DONT DESERVE SYMPATHY, YOU ARE MISLEADING PEOPLE. STOP THIS PROPAGANDA.

    HURIYAT IS LIKE GOONS OF UNDERWORLD THEY CAN JOIN BUT NEVER COME BACK. THE DAY HURRIYAT CHANGES ITS STANCE PAKISTAN WILL KILL THEM. PAKIS HAVE BEEN FEEDING HURRIYATS WITH ALL LUXURY AND MONEY JUST TO SPREAD HATRED AND MISLEAD PEOPLE. LOOKING AT YOUR COMMENTS IT SEEMS THEY HAVE SUCCEDED.

    HOW MANY TIMES KASHMIR HAS AGITATED FOR IIT’s IIM’s DEVELOMENT? IF YOU DO HURRIYAT WILL LOSE THEIR CONTROL. HURRIYAT, PDP, NC, PAKISTAN WANTS YOU TO REMAIN ILLETRATE FOREVER. GO TO REMOTE VILLAGES YOU WILL SEE REAL KASHMIR. LAL CHOWK IS NOT KASHMIR.

    SUDHAR JAO VARNA KASHMIRIYAT ITIHAAS KA EK CHAPTER BANKAR REH JAYEGA.

    BTW THANKS FOR MAKING HEAVEN A HELLLLLL.

    Comment by Amit — August 27, 2008 @ 8:23 am

  347. #Truth prevails against all odds because falsehood is by nature moribund.

    yes I agree and truth our GOD knows .
    He know what KP’s have been through and what you have been through.

    Let us see what he has for all of us.

    #When the majority wants freedom it cant be suppressed just by a few opposing voices.
    Yes I never disagree on that as it is again “MIGHT is RIGHT” …..

    I have been putting it in a blunt way and you put it in politically correct way.

    Comment by Vicky — August 27, 2008 @ 8:26 am

  348. To All,

    there is no need to talk to “innocuous tyro” and likes…. Killing children and innocent is all they can do…. world over…. its time this breed is wiped out from this planet.

    Comment by Voice Of Jammu — August 27, 2008 @ 8:29 am

  349. Dear Innocuous Tyro

    Thanks for correcting me.

    Now can you please tell me percentagewise, which option do the Civil Society in Kashmir want to go with. I mean just your perception.
    1 – ? %
    2 – ? %
    3 (Azadi : seperate country) – ? %

    It may sound little stupid but just curious to know.
    I am not holding any plebicite over here. :)

    Comment by Rohit — August 27, 2008 @ 8:31 am

  350. #Minority decisions get crushed by majority decisions .

    indians don’t want to leave kashmir, we kashmiris(KP’s+KM) are in minority ;)

    Comment by Vicky — August 27, 2008 @ 8:33 am

  351. innocuous tyro:

    My pray to god: You were the reason Hindus were driven out of Kashmir….. ” May the same kashmir which you desired be the grave of all you Kashmiri Muslims where you will not get any peace even after you die” We will Keep Kashmir as our Keep and frustrate you to beg for peace.

    Comment by Voice Of Jammu — August 27, 2008 @ 8:37 am

  352. All People shouting history of JnK. Here is the history.. Atleast it will stop people like innocuous tyro misleading people

    In book Spy For All Seasons; My Life In CIA, Mr. Duane R. Clarridge who operated in Madras and Delhi in 1964 gives an account of how aggression in 1965 on Kashmir by Pakistan was carried out with the prior approval of Sheikh Abdullah. After having been set free in 1964, he went to Saudi Arabia for performing Haj. Mr. Clarridge states that he went to contact Sheikh Abdullah at Jeddah where he gave him (Mr. Clarridge) the whole view of Pakistani warplan on Kashmir. As per Mr. Clarridge, Sheikh stated: “The Pakistanis were going to begin infiltrating small guerilla units out of Azad Kashmir into Kashmir proper. These units would then begin to stir things up. Once the insurrection got under way in Kashmir, regular Pakistani military forces would come to Kashmir’s aid.”

    Here is history of Jnk

    http://www.geocities.com/vspramod/india/kashmir . htm

    Look for sections
    1.Article 370 in Indian Constitution
    2.Hindus Without Citizenship
    3.Pandits, Dogras leave Kashmir
    4.Weightage to Muslim Vote
    5. Settlement of Accession
    6. Mookerjee’s Mysterious Death (Praja parishad is BJP of today)

    Comment by Amit — August 27, 2008 @ 8:40 am

  353. ####Same is teh case with KQAshmir ….Majority of us want freedom from India. Minorities get absorbed in Majority decisions.

    Fact is out in Open…

    Now Might is Perfectly Right

    Comment by Animesh — August 27, 2008 @ 8:47 am

  354. Muslims of Jammu are referrred as Gujjar’s by supreme kashmiri muslims.

    Here’s the extract of what muslims of Jammu did in 1965

    Three months before the outbreak of hostilities on September I,1965, thousands of armed guerillas of Pakistan infiltrated into Kashmir on the western side. They followed their usual pattern of loot and human slaughter. However, timely information about it was supplied to the Government by some Gujjar leaders. The entire Gujjar population treated infiltrators with resentment. The rural population also did not cooperate with them and were loath to entertain them with chickens, eggs and rice.

    Comment by Amit — August 27, 2008 @ 8:50 am

  355. Animesh

    innocuous tyro —————>

    #########My vision is that India cannot afford to have acrimonious relations with ####US ..agree it or not.

    ###Time will tell..Energy Matters.
    ###Insha-Allah woh bhi din aayega, Jab hum hukum karenge tab US/UK uska palan ###karenge

    I also pray that India UK and US agree to what India says ….it is good movie theme it would be a superhit.

    #######What about signed document of accession with Union of India by your Maharaja.
    #####Will you deny this fact too.
    The Maharaja signed the instrument of accession clandestinely with India against the wishes of teh people of J&K and that is what we are revolting.
    As per the Cripps Mission the Muslim Majority population would go to Pak and Hindu Majority to India , but Maharaja signed teh accession against the wishes of people.

    ####The UN Security Council on 20 January 1948 passed Resolution 39, establishing ###a special commission to investigate the conflict. Subsequent to the commission’s ###recommendation, the Security Council ordered in its Resolution 47, passed on 21 ###April 1948, that the invading Pakistani army retreat from Jammu & Kashmir and ###that the accession of Kashmir to either India or Pakistan be determined in ###accordance with a plebiscite to be supervised by the UN.

    Please hold that plebescite and it is not only Pak army but Indian Army also that has to retreat. The irony is that India doesnt recognise the Un resolution and syas that Kashmir is integral partr of India..

    ####I will listen to your Azadi, If & Only If…Jammu Ladakh where also supporting you ##guys.
    ###But thats not the reality.
    ###And plebiscite will only happen if Pakistan removes his army from Pok, which ###hasn’t happened till date.
    ###UN can see the Tiranga in Jammu, doesn’t it send a Clear message to the world.

    It is not imperative for us that you sould listen to our Azadi chants. Jammu district might not support us but Poonch, Rajouri, Doda, Bhaderwah is with the struggle.
    Once plebiscite is held the decision would become clear and has to be accepted by all.
    Pakistan will retreat he Army please pursuade India to first accept taht it has to retreat its Army.
    If UN sees tiranga in Jammu cant it see the sea of Humanity of 12 lakh people in EidGah shouting “We want freedom” and not even a single tricolour .
    Also for your Info the DG of J*K Police made a statement in teh All party meting
    “If people hold the tri colour in hand and hurl petrol bombs on how can we fire on them ”
    RIdiculous isnt it , you hold tirange to get a visa for violence.

    ###Revolutions defintely start with one Issue…Which has to be authentic, not by a ###community or by a region of The J & K state.

    The reason is authentic and the truth loud and clear “We want Freedom” Majority wants freedom in J&K,

    #########Freedom voice raises not from teh Valley but from al lparts except ##Jammu because they have been trapped in the BJP ideology and mone
    ##If people of Jammu love BJP Idelogy, that shows ther affinty towards India.
    ###and the same is the case with Ladakh.
    Only districts of Jammu , Udhampur and Samba not full Jammu Division.
    Ask the gujjars of Jammu division where they want to go???

    ###Why your azadi voice was silent for last decade ??

    Who told you , is it teh Indian Media ..no wonder …FYI it was there since 1947 and came out in open revolt in 1990 and reached its cresendo by the economic blockade

    ###Why its is suddenly revived only with Land Issue??
    It was accelerated by the economic blockade not the land issue ..Land issue is resolved.

    ###Why sudden desperation to move out ??
    Itis not sudden desperation it is longing aspiration.

    ####This is not revloution.
    Two wrongs dont make a right …It is a REVOLT against INDIA.

    Comment by innocuous tyro — August 27, 2008 @ 8:57 am

  356. Where is innocuous tyro ???

    Now my blood is boiling to take you on facts. This what jammu is reasonable, we talk facts, we beieve equality? We dont believe in making fun of other’s religion and beliefs.

    WE IN JAMMU ARE ONE, HINDU MUSLIM SIKH CHRISTIAN ALLL ARE AGAINST KASHMIRI EXTREMIST. we are not communal like you.

    Show me facts Mr/Mrs innocuous tyro.

    Some affulent people whose daughters like pubs are none other than leaders preaching you Islam. I would refrain from naming them they are my good friends. I have more kashmiri muslim friends both boys and girls. They tell me what the truth of kashmir is.

    DO you know affluent family woman from kashmir regularly visit jammu and delhi. Any guess why. To conduct farm house parties when their husbands are preaching Islam there. Islam lessons are only for poor and illiterate. Those who preach have already become wealthy by misleading you.

    Mufti Mohamad Syed- A driver by profession
    Sheikh Abdullah – Teacher by profession
    Farooq – No business, no job still a millionaire
    and list goes on..

    Its TIME WAKE UP BEFORE YOU SEE YOU HAVE LOST EVERYTHING

    Comment by Amit — August 27, 2008 @ 9:00 am

  357. Mr. innocuous tyro while you were busy thinking and writing I have posted answers to your questions already. Please be kind to read. If you find it difficult to understand, I am always at your service to provide more facts. I am talking about facts not just statements.

    Comment by Amit — August 27, 2008 @ 9:03 am

  358. innocuous tyro:

    “REVOLT against INDIA”……………………………..

    You will be shot in your asses……that is whre you deserve to be shot at…… killers of children….. even 72 hoories in hell will reject you with holes in your asses and leaking shit.

    Comment by Voice Of Jammu — August 27, 2008 @ 9:04 am

  359. Muslims of Jammu are referrred as Gujjar’s by supreme kashmiri muslims.

    This is the verdict of GUJJARS in your eyes and true muslims in our eyes.

    Here’s the extract of what muslims of Jammu did in 1965

    Three months before the outbreak of hostilities on September I,1965, thousands of armed guerillas of Pakistan infiltrated into Kashmir on the western side. They followed their usual pattern of loot and human slaughter. However, timely information about it was supplied to the Government by some Gujjar leaders. The entire Gujjar population treated infiltrators with resentment. The rural population also did not cooperate with them and were loath to entertain them with chickens, eggs and rice.

    Comment by Amit — August 27, 2008 @ 9:05 am

  360. These KMs are the parasites on this Country and whole State of J&K.
    They wont live in peace and wont let others live in peace..

    They are the most corrupt and double faced humans in the world…
    They have been mis lead by their leaders like Syeed Shah Geelani, Mir Waiz, Lones and Bhats…Muftis(the PImps) who have sucked thier bloood and made them Terrorists..

    Comment by HAR HAR MAHADEV — August 27, 2008 @ 9:07 am

  361. @Vicky

    Vicky said, on August 27th, 2008 at 8:33 am
    #Minority decisions get crushed by majority decisions .

    #####indians don’t want to leave kashmir, we kashmiris(KP’s+KM) are in minority

    There was a poll conducted by CNN in India and the percentage of Indians whose opinion was that Azadi is best for J&K was 59% and please be informed teh poll excluded the people of J&K because SMS is banned in the state.
    So where is your majority decision against the Wishes of teh People of JK

    Comment by innocuous tyro — August 27, 2008 @ 9:08 am

  362. now these Terrorists have started doing the same in Poonch And Doda Districts what have done to KPs 20 years back…

    and these bastards call themselves secular. Pigs they are. They Love porkistan.
    And they shud be treated as Pigs.

    Today these Terrorists have again entered Jammu and has killed 5 innocent people. Shame on you porkis.

    Comment by HAR HAR MAHADEV — August 27, 2008 @ 9:09 am

  363. innocuous tyro

    I am not against you, but you are like other kashmiri’s who have been misled. They have succeded in stuffing you with so much hatred that your vision becomes biased and you start speaking their language.

    Think what you want develoment, prosperity for your parents, giving them all they could not afford, paying them back with all happiness which they sacrificed for your studies and bringing.

    What has kashmiri leaders given you but a feeling of hatred? This feeling of hatred is what is keeping them in business.

    Dear friend its all BUSINESS we and you are just means. So wake up. I am asking you follow me. Following anyone without reason is a crime. I respect ISLAM and you should respect HINDUISM.

    JUST THINK CALMLY WHAT YOU WANT DEVELOPMENT, PROSPERITY, GOOD JOB and HAPPY KASHMIR or DEATHS and MISERY. INDEPENDENCE WILL HAVE A REIGN WHERE EVERYONE WILL REPENT OF WHAT THEY DID.

    Comment by Amit — August 27, 2008 @ 9:12 am

  364. innocuous tyro:

    Time you present your asses and women to these porkies…. they are doing what you cowards failed at…………………..fight India.

    Comment by Voice Of Jammu — August 27, 2008 @ 9:12 am

  365. To All:

    What does Kashmiri Muslim want?

    DEATH……. they dont need DEVELOPMENT, PROSPERITY, GOOD JOB and HAPPY KASHMIR

    Comment by Voice Of Jammu — August 27, 2008 @ 9:14 am

  366. Amit

    no need to tell these Retards that they have been misled, they want it to be like this.

    They are alike brothers in crime.

    They Just want Deaths and misery for all. They cant see development as they want to live in that stinky place.

    Comment by HAR HAR MAHADEV — August 27, 2008 @ 9:15 am

  367. @innocuous tyro

    CNN VOTE:

    people of India voted not because they endorse your stand, but because they are tired of all this terrorism which finds its roots in kashmir.

    people of India voted not because they endorse your stand, but because they see billions of tax payer money getting wasted in kashmir.

    people of India voted not because they endorse your stand, but because they want peace and they see you as terrorists becuase your people like lone and mirwaiz have potryaed your image like that in front of media.

    DO YOU NEED MORE ????

    Comment by Amit — August 27, 2008 @ 9:16 am

  368. VOJ

    They want shit as thats what aPig looks for.

    They have created enough shit and now they are happy relishing it.

    Comment by HAR HAR MAHADEV — August 27, 2008 @ 9:16 am

  369. AMIT

    Your desperation is certain. but your reasoning is pathetic

    Correct yourself Mufti, Farooq and Sheikh are not our leaders, they are indian puppets.

    ###Some affulent people whose daughters like pubs are none other than leaders ###preaching you Islam. I would refrain from naming them they are my good friends. ###I have more kashmiri muslim friends both boys and girls. They tell me what the ##truth of kashmir is.
    How does this affect me , let these “some affluent people” do whatever they want it is not going to ebb the gusto of revolution in Kashmir
    They may be your friends but for me they are whores and a blot on society. They carry no weight for us\

    ###DO you know affluent family woman from kashmir regularly visit jammu and delhi. ###Any guess why. To conduct farm house parties when their husbands are ###preaching Islam there. Islam lessons are only for poor and illiterate. Those who preach have already become wealthy by misleading you.

    Islam lessons are not only for the poor and illeterate they are for the pious and fearsome .DOnt curb your logic to a few party totters and farm house sex mongers.
    DOnt mislead people these party crazy people dont represent KAshmir .

    ###Mufti Mohamad Syed- A driver by profession
    ####Sheikh Abdullah – Teacher by profession
    ###Farooq – No business, no job still a millionaire
    ###and list goes on..
    They are traitors and Indian agents and puppets , we care a damn for them

    Now if you dont understand what i said , come to me agin i am always here to clarify my stance.

    Comment by innocuous tyro — August 27, 2008 @ 9:20 am

  370. Kill the evil.

    Comment by HAR HAR MAHADEV — August 27, 2008 @ 9:22 am

  371. Amit
    CNN Vote

    I am amazed how you know the thoughts of all the voters. Whatever be the reason if majority of India wants kashmir to be free why isnt the Indian Govt doing it.

    Is your Govt different from the majority.
    It is the biggest democracy ..isnt it?
    If people have portrayed image in front of media is your media so inept that they cant know who is taking them for a ride

    Wake up !!! Do you need more

    Comment by innocuous tyro — August 27, 2008 @ 9:27 am

  372. @innocuous tyro

    Well Indian Govt will not let go Kashmir for Political Geographical Reasons whatever the people will say.

    And India will hold Kashmir as it pleases to. You can stop it.

    But wait All you taritors who call themseleves as anti indians will be thrown back to the Jehadi dustbin called Kashmir from where you come and are in India to make livings..

    Chun chun ke tum suaroon ko nikala jayegaa…aur Kashmir main tum par torcher kiyaa Jayega..India wil soon Adopt chinese policy.

    You wait for those Beautiful days in ur life coming to u.

    Comment by HAR HAR MAHADEV — August 27, 2008 @ 9:31 am

  373. INOCUOUS TYRO, by making wrong claims on so called azadi you will not get it. Cause IF you are talking about majority in valley, THEN how about majority in whole india against azadi of valley. If you ppl do not want to stay with india,then it is fine with we HINDUSTAN PPL, you ppl are & will be allowed to get out of the valley,leave us in our peaceful HINDUSTAN. WE DO NOT WANT ANY TROUBLE, BUT IF YOU PPL WANT TO CREAT TROUBLE IN HINDUSTAN THEN MIND WELL, & GET READY FOR REPURCATION, & HINDU BACKLASH.WE WILL NOT FIGHT BY HIDING OUR SELF BEHIND WOMEN & CHILDREN. QUOTE: ALL MUSLIM ARE NOT TERORIST BUT ALL TERORIST ARE MUSLIM. IS DESH MEIN REHNA HAI TO VANDE MATRAM BOLNA HOGA..

    Comment by vid123 — August 27, 2008 @ 9:31 am

  374. #IS DESH MEIN REHNA HAI TO VANDE MATRAM BOLNA HOGA..

    This is called MIGHT is RIGHT ;)

    Comment by Vicky — August 27, 2008 @ 9:37 am

  375. <>

    GOD !!!…
    tell me, which pious relegion asks its followers to kill anybody who doesn’t preach a particular faith????

    Which are those god fearing people who indiscriminately kill innocent women n children in the name of JIHAD???

    Yesterday an IDIOT was comparing these terrorists with great FREEDOM FIGHTERS like Bhagat singh n AZAD………..it just goes to show how grossly misled these people are that they cannot tell the difference b/w BLACK n WHITE

    Comment by United India — August 27, 2008 @ 9:41 am

  376. <>

    GOD !!!…
    tell me, which pious relegion asks its followers to kill anybody who doesn’t preach a particular faith????

    Which are those god fearing people who indiscriminately kill innocent women n children in the name of JIHAD???

    Yesterday an IDIOT was comparing these terrorists with great FREEDOM FIGHTERS like Bhagat singh n AZAD………..it just goes to show how grossly misled these people are that they cannot tell the difference b/w BLACK n WHITE

    Comment by United India — August 27, 2008 @ 9:43 am

  377. mr inno why are u saying that india will never believe that there is no forign millitant…e vey 1 knows that in last few days tere has been some infl from pakistan ..and every time wen a millatnt dies he is found to be a pakistani national

    pakistan was snatched from jaws of indai , eveyone knows that this was d policy of britishers first in bengal and then in whole india… and this happened baecause of some sar fire politicians

    ok if the millitanrt attack in jammu is for army ..then why they killed 5 civiilans and now 6 people are under there terror..and plz don’t compare our freedom fighters with ur millitants…they wee not rapists… they didn’t killed innocent peopler.. they didn’t made people as hostages..

    they never beheaded people ..

    even though i m very emotioal but i keep my emotions sid ewhen i write… i m not like u people …i hve proof to support my comments

    Comment by Neha — August 27, 2008 @ 9:45 am

  378. u people write madlly

    Comment by Neha — August 27, 2008 @ 9:46 am

  379. ################I also pray that India UK and US agree to what India says ….it is good movie theme it would be a superhit.

    Ha ha..Bitter truth Yaar..
    I guess your not updated with the Global Economic situation.

    ###########“If people hold the tri colour in hand and hurl petrol bombs on how can we fire on them ”
    RIdiculous isnt it , you hold tirange to get a visa for violence.

    And What you think..Taking a Paki flag make u Pakistani.
    and We will Let you shout pro pakistani slogans.

    Isn’t this ridiclous.
    Eating india and praising Paki….

    if you had so much of hatred for India.

    Why you accept funds.Why not reject it.

    Don’t Use BSNL/REL etc.
    Don’t Use Indian railway/Indian Post.
    Don’t use indian funded assests.

    ########Only districts of Jammu , Udhampur and Samba not full Jammu Division.

    Chitti ke liye Matchis ki dibbiya hi duniya hoti hai.
    Fool Others, its not era of 90’s, where we get info from only one source.
    And we can see the Nos of person supporting Jammu.

    #########lease hold that plebescite and it is not only Pak army but Indian Army also that has to retreat. The irony is that India doesnt recognise the Un resolution and syas that Kashmir is integral partr of India..

    Please read the resloution clearly with your eyes and mind open.

    Don’t go for plebiscite , You will Loose.
    And Mark my words..This will never ever happen.

    Dynamics have changed a lot.

    Kashmir is an internal matter of India and Its conveyed to Paki’s by MEA.
    And If it was an over-hyped international issue, You would have heard concerns in UN.

    UN coudn’t do anything anywhere.
    Better Plead to GoI for some more special Grants.

    Kashmir will be a integral part of India.

    #######economic blockade

    No Please…this is big crap.
    You know and I know.

    ####longing aspiration.

    Doesn’t wakes up suddenly.
    Revolt against your attitudes & ethics.

    innocuous tyro —————>
    Dear, accept it or not.
    We will never ever thought Kashmir as seperate state,
    and it will never be seperate state.
    It was with India, and will remain.

    Comment by Animesh — August 27, 2008 @ 10:00 am

  380. Check news on NDTV….. security personal getting ready to fight terror in J&K…..watch out JIHADIS….YOU ARE THE TARGET.

    Comment by United India — August 27, 2008 @ 10:12 am

  381. Check news on NDTV….. security personal getting ready to fight terror in J&K…..watch out JIHADIS….YOU ARE THE TARGET.

    Comment by Voice of Jammu — August 27, 2008 @ 10:17 am

  382. @innocuous tyro

    If Mufti’s and Abdullah’s are not yor leaders then please name your leaders. Don’t say you are follower of Hurriyat lolz. Hurriyat is conglomeration of meanest and most misleading people.

    If you have no leaders lets accept you as leader and then be prepared for questions which I am gonna ask in coming posts.

    Comment by Amit — August 27, 2008 @ 10:20 am

  383. All KM Jehadis

    Ur aspirations r short lived. Either Peacefully move to ur Porkistan or Remain in india as Nationalists. Else egt ready to be stoned to the wall..

    Time has come.
    Traitors shud be treated like Pigs with rabeis

    Comment by HAR HAR MAHADEV — August 27, 2008 @ 10:21 am

  384. http://www.southasiaanalysis.org/papers/paper76.html….check out this site mr INNOCEUNCE for the % of hindus in pak
    my illusion.. is punjab illusion are the bombs illusion…
    hindus given equal rights in pakistan thats why the population reduced from 15%to 1%.
    since indepence -3 muslim presidents. 1 musim vp…3 _cj of supreme court.. wht else do u want… u desh drohi

    Comment by Neha — August 27, 2008 @ 10:26 am

  385. STATUS OF UN RESOLUTION FOR PLEBISCITE

    The UN Commission for India and Pakistan totally failed in its avowed obligation under Part II B of the Kashmir Resolution of August 13, 1948, to notify the Government of India that Pakistan had not only withdrawn its forces but also tribesmen and Pakistani nationals referred to in Part II A, 2 of the resolution. The UN rendered itself impotent because it failed in its moral and legal responsibility to persuade Pakistan to vacate the occupied territories. During the last 49 years, Pakistan rendered UN resolutions completely defunct by the following acts:

    (a) It surrendered nearly 6000 square miles of the State’s territory to China for building Karakoram Road to facilitate the Chinese to rush troops to the Indian borders as and when required.

    (b) It seized the northern parts of Kashmir by force after decimating the torces of Maharaja Hari Singh and allowed the Americans to build the most advanced radar complex in Gilgit. This part of Kashmir has borders with Afghanistan, Russia and China.

    (c) It increased its military strength in the occupied territories by leaps and bounds in violation of Part I, B of the Resolution of August 13, 1948.

    (d) It violated Part I, E of the UN Resolution by continuously indulging in vicious propaganda against India.

    (e) It failed to derecognize the so-called Azad Kashmir Government.

    The voting rights for a plebiscite vested in the population which existed in and around 1948. During the last 49 years, lakhs of people who had the right to vote in 1948 have died and more than 25 lakh people who nurtured the fundamentalist ideology have been added to the population. It is, therefore against law and natural justice to talk of plebiscite after 49 years.

    Pakistan itself rendered the UN Resolutions defunct by launching a full-scale attack on Jammu and Kashmir in 1965 and then signing the Tashkent agreement.

    Mr Gunar Jarring of the UN Commission after visiting India and Pakistan in the late fifties reported that the UN Resolutions of 1948 and 1949 had been rendered irrelevant because of the changed logistical and strategical dispositions in the area.

    Comment by Amit — August 27, 2008 @ 10:28 am

  386. @ innocuous tyro

    In one of your posts you said that “Your desperation is certain.”

    Please elaborate what is my desparation.

    My desparation is not to set kashmir free but to free kashmir from fundamentalists.
    My desparation is to see happy and prosperous kashmir and not bloody kashmir.
    My desparation is to bring you on path of BROTHERHOOD and free you from all evils haunting your mind.

    Please ask ALLAH if you are on right path, if you fail to do so, we will arrange your meeting with him very soon. THATS A PROMISE FROM YOUR BROTHER.

    Comment by Amit — August 27, 2008 @ 10:40 am

  387. Hey all Indians/Jammuties

    We are having a protest on MG Road on 31st

    Jammu protests on 31 Aug,08 in Bangalore

    Please help me in spreading the message

    Comment by HAR HAR MAHADEV — August 27, 2008 @ 10:49 am

  388. http://www.southasiaanalysis.org/papers/paper76.html..log on to this one

    Comment by Neha — August 27, 2008 @ 10:53 am

  389. http://www.southasiaanalysis.org/papers/paper76.html.

    sorry there is some problem with my system………

    Comment by Neha — August 27, 2008 @ 10:54 am

  390. Amit
    now is my turn to say something to you

    ##Amit said, on August 27th, 2008 at 9:12 am
    ##nnocuous tyro

    ##I am not against you, but you are like other kashmiri’s who have been misled. They ##have succeded in stuffing you with so much hatred that your vision becomes biased ##and you start speaking their language.
    I have lived in Kashmir all these years from 1990 and i know the position threddbare.
    You need to feel it to believe it and you cant get that feeling sitting in cosy ambience and become an expert on Kashmir sitting outside Kashmir.

    ##Think what you want develoment, prosperity for your parents, giving them all they ##could not afford, paying them back with all happiness which they sacrificed for your ##studies and bringing.
    wasnt India on the path of developmet whe nBritish ruled it , Werent the parents of people at that tim in want o fprosperity of their children. Wasnt Gandhi and Nehru well settled under British rule. Werent Indians in civil services during British Rule. Why doesnt your logic apply to the, why only to KAshmiris.

    ##What has kashmiri leaders given you but a feeling of hatred? This feeling of hatred ##is what is keeping them in business.
    Leaders come and go but the cause remains . All with vested interest want to gain. How many Indian leaders were hand in glove with britsih rulers during India struggle for independence.

    ##Dear friend its all BUSINESS we and you are just means. So wake up. I am asking ##you follow me. Following anyone without reason is a crime. I respect ISLAM and ##you should respect HINDUISM.

    DOnt ask me to follow you , one should follow others by conviction. I respect Hinduism you are mistaken if you feeel otherwise.

    ##JUST THINK CALMLY WHAT YOU WANT DEVELOPMENT, PROSPERITY, GOOD JOB ##and HAPPY KASHMIR or DEATHS and MISERY. INDEPENDENCE WILL HAVE A ##REIGN WHERE EVERYONE WILL REPENT OF WHAT THEY DID.

    Why didnt the people of Indiqa like this when they were on the path of freedom struggle against British India , They also wre leading a prosp[erous life . HAs Indian Independence given you repentence to you and Indians for what they did.

    Comment by innocuous tyro — August 27, 2008 @ 11:16 am

  391. @innocuous tyro
    Don’t forget you are talking to a JnK state subject, if you have majority lets see in coming days.

    I have visited kashmir more often post 1990, we supply food material there. So dont preach me what kashmir is.

    Yes if you are from remote village I can understand your pain, you are most exploted people in the world. You suffer in hands of militants and as an attempt to eliminate militants Indian Army sometimes become strict on you too.

    YOU WANT AZADI I DON’T.
    YOU CLAIM MAJORITY SO DO I.
    YOU HAVE NO SUPPORTERS HERE I DO HAVE.
    YOU ARE STILL IN KASHMIR, I AM WELL SETTLED IN INDIA AND GIVING MORE TAX AS THAN PROBABLY YOU WOULD EARN THAT TOO FROM A WELL ESTABLISHED JOB AND NOT FATHER BUSINESS.

    WE HAVE UNDERSTOOD WHAT IS BEST FOR US ITS TIME FOR YOU.

    EVEN IF ALL BRITAIN COMES TOGETHER WE STILL HAD MAJORITY IN 1947.. BUT IN YOUR CASE 40 LAKH PEOPLE CANT SAY MAJORITY IN FRONT OF OF 100+ crore people.

    IF YOU WANT PLEBISCITE LET IT HAPPEN IN ALL OF INDIA, IF THEY WANT TO FREE KASHMIR, WE WILL SET YOU FREE MINUS JAMMU AND LADAKH

    BANGLADESH IS AN EXAMPLE, IF YOU CAN ASK PAKISTAN TO WIN FREEDOM FOR YOU MOST WELCOME, BUT I FEAR PAKISTAN MAY NOT END UP LOSING ITS INDEPENDENCE AND INDIA BECOMES ONE AGAIN.

    HAPPY DEBATING… BUT BEFORE YOU SLEEP DO ASK YOURSELF WHAT YOU COULD HAVE GAINED AND WHAT HAVE YOU GOT.

    Comment by Amit — August 27, 2008 @ 11:31 am

  392. NOW this looks like a debate and not shit spilling… I welcome your views innocuous tyro, keep floating them be constructive.. you have a chance to convince me, so throw all your energy in gathering facts ;) . I bet you will get nothing beyond what you have already said and those still are statements far from facts…

    Comment by Amit — August 27, 2008 @ 11:34 am

  393. @innocuous tyro

    You need to feel it to believe it and you cant get that feeling sitting in cosy ambience and become an expert on Kashmir sitting outside Kashmir.

    Can you explain what we need to feel ?
    Since you seem to be god fearing man I would say it is all GOD’s wish, we all are puppets.

    Why does your/my(GOD) create EVIL even if he knows it ENEMY to mankind?
    Let us accept the fact that the supernatural power is controlling us, we don’t understand.
    He is making you to type things here and me too …

    Prabu ki maya aparampar hai …….

    Peace

    Comment by Vicky — August 27, 2008 @ 11:35 am

  394. Amit you missed something

    IF THEY WANT TO FREE KASHMIR, WE WILL SET YOU FREE MINUS JAMMU AND LADAKH – KASMIR FOR KP”S+ARMY who gave there life there .

    Peace

    Comment by Vicky — August 27, 2008 @ 11:38 am

  395. To all the Jammu Jaggurnaut and the anti KAshmir Brigade

    You have so much to say about the invalidity of the UN resolution but please for Gods sake understand the resolution still exists and has not been changed evn after 61 years. You make bring lot of theories but the fact is UN resolution on Kashmir is a part of the UN agenda.
    No more debates on this.

    An idiot thinks all are idiots but he sans reasoning. If an Indian thinks Bhagat Singh , Netaji is a freedom fighter what sin does a Kashmiri do if he feekls the same for his Kashmiri militants.
    Bhagat Singh lobbed a grenade in the assembly without any reason , just to bring attention of British to the Indian cause .
    Chandrashekhar Azad killed petty policemen and officers for his hatred against Brirish rule , what wrong does a militant do if he kills and Indian soldier.
    And those of you who say militants raped women they are wrong , it is a true as stark as Sun that Indian Army raped 40 women in Kunan Posh Pora.
    It is know n fact now that ChattiSingh pora massacre was done by Indian Army as taht day coincided with teh vist of Bill Clinton ( US Pres.) to gain International sympathy and ma,lign KAshmir struggle.
    It is has been proved by teh investigation conducted by Indian agency taht teh Brackpora incident was a handiwork of Indian Army who killed Innocent villagers and claimed taht they has killed the Wandharhama massacre men.

    Before i name my leaders in KAshmir let me ask you peopkle who are your leaders in Jammu. They ought to be an epitome of selflessness.

    Some one namely United India alleges that Jihaids kil women and children , What about Indian Army . You people claim to have a spotless Army , live in Kashmir like me and see th ereal face of teh Indian Security.

    One Ms Neha says
    ####since indepence -3 muslim presidents. 1 musim vp…3 _cj of supreme court.. wht ####else do u want… u desh drohi

    see the level of exaggeration , she forgot zero PM’s, zero Army CHiefs, zero CEC’s, zero NAVY CHiefs, zero Airforce Chiefs, zero Intelligence chiefs and this is a SECULAR INDIA
    We cant blame Pakistan for any shortfall in minority representation becuase they dont claim to be Secular.
    Neha if I am a desh drohi why doesnt your desh leave from my place.I will automatically cease to be a desh drohi

    Comment by innocuous tyro — August 27, 2008 @ 11:40 am

  396. Yes, lets please debate now.

    Dear Innocuous Tyro

    You compared the struggle for Azadi in Kashmir with the struggle for azadi by India (that included pakistan and Kashmir as well) from Britain.

    I want your views on the fact that Indians (including pakistanis and Kashmiris ) faught for independence from a foreign invador… I think there was logic in that… hope u agree…

    Now what is the logic behind azadi of Kashmir ?

    Also why was there no struggle for azadi in Kashmir before independence of india ?

    Thanks

    Comment by Rohit — August 27, 2008 @ 11:44 am

  397. Amit
    Booziv Mahra
    ###Yes if you are from remote village I can understand your pain, you are most ##3exploted people in the world. You suffer in hands of militants and as an attempt ###to eliminate militants Indian Army sometimes become strict on you too.

    At last you accepted Indian Army is harsh ( a benign word for teh Army) on Kashmiri people . it is an achievement if an indian thinks so.

    baye booziv mahra

    ###YOU WANT AZADI I DON’T.
    who cares what i want or what you want , what natters is what majority wants.

    ###YOU CLAIM MAJORITY SO DO I.
    Let us see , let us wait an d watch and we will debate once plebiscite is held

    ###YOU HAVE NO SUPPORTERS HERE I DO HAVE.
    I have supporters elsewhere , i dont really need your support

    ###YOU ARE STILL IN KASHMIR, I AM WELL SETTLED IN INDIA AND GIVING MORE ###TAX AS THAN PROBABLY YOU WOULD EARN THAT TOO FROM A WELL ###ESTABLISHED JOB AND NOT FATHER BUSINESS.
    this is the best thing you have written , if you are well settled then why this hue and cry ,,but i want to live with dignity , with pride and without India and i am fighting for that
    WHo gives more tax needs to be checked from the IT deptt.
    Well i dont want to comment on your fathers business neither on your established job , I too pay Tax and i dont want to boast of it.

    WE HAVE UNDERSTOOD WHAT IS BEST FOR US ITS TIME FOR YOU.

    Comment by innocuous tyro — August 27, 2008 @ 11:53 am

  398. ROhit here is the response
    ###You compared the struggle for Azadi in Kashmir with the struggle for azadi by ###India (that included pakistan and Kashmir as well) from Britain.

    ###I want your views on the fact that Indians (including pakistanis and Kashmiris ) ###faught for independence from a foreign invador… I think there was logic in that… ##3hope u agree…

    .

    ###Now what is the logic behind azadi of Kashmir ?

    India too is an invader in Kashmir and there is logic here also if we fight for independence

    ####Also why was there no struggle for azadi in Kashmir before independence of india ?

    Before independence of India , kashmir was not a prt of India , it was a princely state ruled by Maharaja.

    Thanks

    Comment by innocuous tyro — August 27, 2008 @ 12:05 pm

  399. DESH DROHI’s NEED TO BE PUNISHED AND GIVEN LAND…
    IF YOU FIGHTING FOR PRIDE SO AM I IRRESPECTIVE OF WELL SETTLED … IF JNK IS YOUR HOME LAND SO IS MINE..

    WHAT MATTERS IS WHAT MAJORITY WANTS.. MAJORITY WANTS INDIA… LETS SEE IN COMING TIMES

    Comment by Amit — August 27, 2008 @ 12:06 pm

  400. DESH DROHI’s NEED TO BE PUNISHED AND GIVEN LAND FOR GRAVE.. THATS IT WAT WILL BE GIVEN…

    Comment by Amit — August 27, 2008 @ 12:07 pm

  401. WHAT JAMMU AND LADAKH WANTS

    Right since Independence, the state of Jammu and Kashmir has posed problems for the Indian nation. These problems, in a large measure, spring from the fact that the state did not become a part of the Union on August 15, 1947, but October 26, 1947.

    The genesis of what is called the Kashmir problem can be traced back to the events that happened between August 15, 1947, and October 26, 1947. The nomenclature Kashmir problem is misleading and does not help.

    Kashmir as a shorthand for describing J&K creates its own problems as it excludes the regions of Jammu and Ladakh altogether. It also excludes the areas of Pakistan Occupied Kashmir (POK), Gilgit, Baltistan and Hunza etc (collectively called the Northern Areas) which were a part of the state of J&K on August 14, 1947.

    Kashmiri separatist leaders, including moderate Hurriyat Conference leader Mirwaiz Moulvi Omar Farooq, readily admit that it is not the Kashmir valley (comprising an area of only 15,948 square kilometers) alone which is the bone of contention.

    The region of Jammu is over 26,293 square kilometers, Ladakh (comprising Leh and Kargil districts) far bigger and one only needs to remember that the state of J&K (on August 14, 1947) was over 2,22,000 square kilometers.

    JAMMU IS DIFFERENT

    A counter-agitation erupted in Jammu the day it died in Kashmir on July 1. The region had erupted as the state government cancelled “diversion of land to Shri AmarnathJi Shrine Board (SASB)”. The government had done so to apparently quell the fires then raging in Kashmir valley against this May 26 order.

    As the agitation Kashmir died with the revocation of this order, it gave birth to a counter-agitation in Jammu, now raging like wild fires.

    The government singularly failed to communicate that the May 26 order issued by the state forest department did not confer “propriety rights on the SASB” in respect of 800 kanals of land “diverted for use during the yatra”.

    The state government could have perhaps released advertisements in the newspapers to educate the masses and tell them that the land was being given to the SASB only “for temporary use during the duration of the yatra”.

    The government’s move to revoke the May 26 order was interpreted in Jammu as bowing before separatist sentiments being fanned in the Kashmir valley. It was also interpreted as an affront to the religious sentiments of the Hindus.

    The simmering anger that has manifested itself on the streets of Jammu since July 1 is the culmination of the region’s perceived “neglect and dominance by the Kashmir region”.

    The Jammu region comprises 10 districts of which Jammu and Kathua are Hindu-majority areas. In Udhampur too, the number of Hindus is fairly high and in several areas the community is a clear majority.

    In other eight districts of the region, the two communities live together and the population ratio varies widely.

    SECULAR ETHOS

    With people of other religions like Sikhs and Christians also present in fairly large numbers, the Jammu region has been, by and large, secular. People of different ethnicities, religions and linguistic groups have continued to settle here, right since 1947. Successive waves of migrants settled in the capital city of Jammu and other areas in 1947, 1965, 1971, 1990 (Kashmiri Pandits) and 1999 (border migrants after Kargil war).

    The Dogras embraced successive migrants with open arms, often much to their own detriment. The land prices have sky-rocketed, infrastructure is under strain and competition for jobs and education intense.

    Kashmiri Muslims have also constructed houses and bought properties in Jammu, mainly because they feel safer, than Kashmir. Their children study in Jammu schools and tuition centres, without feeling threatened.

    There have been no communal clashes in Jammu or its periphery, even after grave provocations like attacks on the symbol of Dogra pride and culture, the venerated RaghunathJi temple.

    This is a tribute to the secular ethos of the region that the counter-attack to kill those who had intruded into the RaghunathJi temple was led by the then SSP of Jammu, Mr Farooq Khan. Even as the encounter continued, and the militants were felled, there were no reports of any communal clashes anywhere.

    A vast majority of Jammuites see India as their motherland. This is in sharp contrast to a section of Kashmiris who challenge the accession of J&K to India on October 26, 1947.

    BASIS FOR ANGER

    The Jammuites believe that they have made tremendous sacrifices for the cause of the Indian nation. When militancy broke out in the Valley in 1990, several Dogra officers were posted in Kashmir. A fairly large number of policemen who died while fighting the militants in Kashmir were Dogras, including Pahari Muslims from Poonch and Rajouri, besides Doda district.

    Despite this, the Dogras believe that they are taken for granted by the state and the Central governments which always prefer to make policies that are aimed at “appeasing separatists in Kashmir”.

    This perceived “loading the dice in favour of Kashmiris” is something the Jammuites feel bad about, very strongly. It has been simmering, just below the surface, for several decades and the Amarnath land row ignited the fires which now refuse to die.

    In the year 2002, the total number of voters in Jammu stood at 30,91,193 and the number of voters in Kashmir was 29,86,670. Yet, the Jammu region had only 37 seats in the state assembly as opposed to 46 for the Kashmir valley.

    The Kashmir region elects three Lok Sabha MPs and the Jammu only two.

    When it comes to realization of revenue for electricity consumed, figures speak for themselves. Since Kashmir consumes more electricity than Jammu, the target set by the government for collection (during 2007-08) was Rs 519 crores and Rs 417 crores, respectively. The collection from Jammu was Rs 443 crores and only Rs 246 crores were collected from Kashmir.

    The feeling that has gained ground in the Jammu region, and obviously not without reasons, is that its adherence to the idea of Indian nation means it is taken for granted. In contrast to the treatment meted out to the Kashmir valley which is given concessions aimed at “appeasement”.

    This complaint of the common Jammuites needs to be understood, in right perspective, and remedial measures taken.

    Dateline Jammu has never been considered a good enough dateline by the various media houses but journalists salivate at the thought of going to the Kashmir valley for the mileage their reporting will fetch them.

    The time has now come to invest in trying to understand the aspirations of the Jammu region, as distinctly different from the Kashmir valley.

    Comment by Amit — August 27, 2008 @ 12:09 pm

  402. HOPE THIS ANSWERS YOUR TAX AND MAJORITY QUESTIONS… WE ARE MAJORITY AND PLEASE DONT EVEN TRY TO REPLY NOW.. EVERYTIME YOU TRY MISLEADING PEOPLE THATS WHAT YOU DO AND THATS WHAT YOU HAVE ALWAYS DONE.. I WOULD REQUEST YOU TO BRING SOMEONE WHO KNOWS KASHMIR MORE THAN YOU DO. YOU SPEAK WHAT HURRIYAT HAS SPOKEN MANY TIMES BUT WITHOUT FACT..

    Comment by Amit — August 27, 2008 @ 12:13 pm

  403. Amit

    they dont understand anything except for one…

    Azaadi …aazaadi from what…. [:O]

    Comment by HAR HAR MAHADEV — August 27, 2008 @ 12:26 pm

  404. Hey all Indians/Jammuties

    In Bangalore, We are having a protest on MG Road on 31st 4:30 pm

    Please help me in spreading the message

    Comment by HAR HAR MAHADEV — August 27, 2008 @ 12:30 pm

  405. Amit

    you are very good at “copy and paste” and what you have pasted is the jammu version of the story , the Kashmir version has not been shown.
    You have answered questions which please jammuites and this is not surprising.
    When you tell me not to answer anymore it contrues that you have given up and cannot stand before reaLIity.
    Just for your infor that voter count which you have given is the “registered voter” list and you yourself know the number of actual voters in Kashmir is far more trhan the “registered voters”.

    Now the False propaganda that jammu has been neglected

    Read THIS and DECIDE

    According to a computation made by the General Administration Department (GAD) in 2005, for submission to the Sachar Committee, the state had roughly 3,52,000 employees. The Department worked out the percentage of employees to the total strength of respective communities. Hindu employees represent 4.61 percent of the 30 lakh Hindu population in the state whereas Muslims have a representation of 2.85 percent for the 68 lakh Muslim population. So relative to the respective populations, Hindus outnumber Muslims in the State government. This should question the ‘assertions’ of discrimination effusing from the winter capital. Ridicule them. Deflate them.
    Scanning the composition of the State administration, the claims of discrimination do come home, indeed. The irony, though, is that the victim of this discrimination is not the ‘Pro National’ Jammu wala as we have been made to believe but the ‘Anti National’ Kashmiri, to put in the latest Right wing lingo. One, which is being endorsed by our wannabe Prime Minister L K Advani as well.
    Starting with the Indian Administrative Service (IAS), the total cadre strength is 94 with 24 officers belonging to the Kashmir division, 27 officers belonging to the Jammu division and two from Ladakh. The other 41 babus are from outside the state. So where exactly is Jammu getting discriminated in all this? Delusion, but nothing! Further, most of the core developmental departments like Planning, Finance, R&B, PHE and Irrigation are headed by non-Kashmiris. Even the all important departments of Agriculture, Revenue, Social Welfare, Health, Home, CAPD, Industries and Commerce, Information, PDD are ‘endowed’ to non-Kashmiris. The trend is the same for Science and Technology, Transport and Culture. No Kashmiri components!
    Another ‘discriminating’ fact, for the record. Since 1947, out of 26 Chief Secretaries of the State, only 6 have been Kashmiri Muslims. How’s that for discrimination for the only Muslim majority state of ‘secular’ India. But no one has ever stood up for this. Makes sense, in a way. Why would a Kashmiri Muslim civil servant take the ‘risk’ of speaking against discrimination engineered by a minority and be branded as ‘anti national’. Not worth it! Never was.
    Now comes the real shocker. The Kashmir Administrative Service (KAS). This is where scores have to be settled, intriguing serious questions have to be asked, discrimination has to be debated and alienation of Kashmiri Muslims has to be addressed. Out of the 338 KAS cadre officers in the state, 155 officers belong to Kashmir division, 151 to Jammu division and 22 to Ladakh division. 10 officers are from junior KAS. Now how can this representation be fair, even ethical? This is unfair by any account of economic management or population distribution. The ratio is 55:45 in favor of Muslims but why has everything been worked out and settled at 50:50? It is not supposed to be that way. Kashmir outnumbers others in terms of population, but why is that they are outnumbered when it comes to Administration, Judiciary, Police and even Private enterprise? This preposterous idea of 50:50 distribution is absolutely fake, senseless by all parameters. Save your disappointment, resentment and protests for now though. Save them for the ‘administrative genocide’ I am about to illustrate.
    From 2001 till date, 478 KAS appointments have been made. Kashmiris are at 106, Ladakh at 12 and Jammu at a staggering overpowering figure of 360. Discrimination? No, not by any standards. This is something far beyond the term, with devastating consequences for the majority. As I said ‘administrative genocide’, if you like. Engineering, competent and successful, has been done for the next three decades and things (read Kashmiris) have been leveled out for the ‘pro National’ Jammu bureaucrats. In fact it would not even make sense to call it KAS five years down the line. It will be, rather already can be, rechristened as Jammu Administrative Service (JAS). And here in Kashmir, we would even have to import BDOs and Tehsildars!
    And mind you, Kashmiris are not overpowered in bureaucracy alone. It’s all across. Take for example the 641 Muslims and the 1015 Hindus figuring in the tentative seniority list of 1656 Junior Agriculture Assistants as of April 2006. Or for that matter the 114 Muslim AEEs in Works Department against the 164 Hindu AEEs as of May 2005. And be assured, it only gets worse after that.
    The latest recruitments don’t show any mercy to Muslims or Kashmiris. Amongst the 429 Accounts Assistants selected by the Service Selection Board in April 2008, Jammu accounts for 334 Assistants while Kashmir gets a ‘fabulous’ 95. I am not even going to comment on that.
    Of course, Raj Bhawan, the custodian of the constitutional rights of all sections of society remains off limits for at least one community, no prizes. The last Muslim Secretary the First Citizen of the state had was when we used to have a Sadr i Riyasat. Since then it is graciously adorned by the malis of Floriculture Department who are considered indispensable for their manicuring skills and presenting a gulab every morning to the sahib of the estate. However with the arrival of the present Governor two middle level Muslim officers from the former Chief Minister’s office are now manning the secretariat outpost of Raj Bhavan.
    To conclude, all this is in complete sync with the latest branding of Kashmiris. Anti Nationals, at the end of the day you see.
    PS: Yesterday’s piece on judiciary reflected only the current composition affected by deputation and transfers. The actual composition of the J&K High Court Bench gives Kashmir 6 slots and Jammu 6. Of these two from Jammu, Justice V K Gupta and Justice T S Thakur are already Chief Justices posted on deputation. Justice Bilal Nazki from Kashmir is a judge on deputation to the Bombay High Court.
    The State Hugh Court has so far sent 3 judges to the Supreme Court, one of whom, Justice Anand, served as Chief Justice of India. The other two were justice Raja Jaswant Singh and Justice R P Sethi. You know their home addresses.

    Comment by innocuous tyro — August 27, 2008 @ 12:34 pm

  406. Dear innocuous tyro Thanks for your reply to my post..

    But I call Brits as invadors because

    1) They exploited india’s natural resources.
    2) India was a market for the goods that they manufactured outside india.They never encouraged Indian industry
    3) They didn’t induct Indians in the administration and forced Indians to do only the low end job.
    etc. etc.

    Can you please suggest similar examples that can support your point that India is an invador in Kashmir.

    Comment by Rohit — August 27, 2008 @ 12:35 pm

  407. For All
    those who thinl Jammu is discriminated

    We are making an attempt to remove some mist around this discrimination debate. However, Greater Kashmir does not want to contribute to the agenda of hate, discord and divisive politics being run across Chenab. We just want to put the record straight and remove the myths of regional disparity. This is the first of a series of articles on the subject.
    We start with the Judiciary. First things first, though. The Sachar Committee report on the Social, Economic and Educational Status of the Muslim Community of India, commissioned by the Prime Minister, reveals important figures and information which would somewhat help in dispelling the distorted facts around discrimination in Jammu and Kashmir. We take the representation of Muslims in West Bengal Judiciary as an analogy to the judicial composition in our state. This makes sense because the composition of population in West Bengal is roughly opposite to that of Jammu & Kashmir. West Bengal has a population of 72.5 percent Hindus and 25.2 percent Muslims, whereas Jammu & Kashmir has 67 percent Muslim population and about 29.6 percent Hindus. In West Bengal judiciary the share of Muslims is 4.8 percent at the level of Sessions Judge and 3.2 per cent at the levels of Munsif. A comparison of these numbers with the Muslim representation in our judiciary will prick the bubble of the discrimination bogey.
    Muslims and Kashmiris are hugely outnumbered in the superior and lower judiciary of Jammu and Kashmir, the only ‘Muslim majority’ state in India. Contrary to the bogus claims emanating from different quarters, the figures are surprising. Grave, on second thoughts. We have 10 High Court Judges. Only 3 happen to be Kashmiri Muslims. One a Kashmiri Pandit. Amongst the rest, 3 are Jammu Hindus and 3 outsiders, Hindu again. Well then, discrimination? Of course. But the other way around. Muslims with more than double the population of Hindus have been ‘made to’ stand on equal ground in the superior judiciary. Blatant discrimination. Exploitation. I hope these figures address the concerns of the self proclaimed ‘second class citizens’ up in arms against Kashmiri Muslims and gives them an ego boost. A much needed one.
    Moving on to the Sessions Judges. 8 Kashmiri Pandits, 4 Jammu Muslims, 28 Jammu Non Muslims and 24 Kashmiri Muslims. The representation of Jammuites works out to 50 per cent. Compare that with the representation of West Bengal Muslims quoted above. With these figures, I can only be shocked as to how this blatant myth of discrimination of the Jammu population has been kept alive for so long and even gets coverage and endorsement across the ‘Breaking News’ bandwagon of modern day India. A commendable feat indeed. And to add to these disturbing figures, sixteen of the twenty four Muslim Judges of Kashmir are retiring in two years. It is all yours to play Jammuites!
    Thanks to the recruitment during the past twenty years the lion’s share will literally belong to the ‘second class citizens’. Have a look at these staggering figures. In all there are 110 Sub Judges/ Munsifs out of which 79 are from Jammu, with 19 Muslims and 60 Non Muslims. This works out to 72 percent, compared to the 3.2 percent Muslim Munsifs in West Bengal! The participation of Kashmiris in the most vital judiciary is of course a pittance. Only 29 Kashmiri Muslim Sub Judges and 2 Kashmiri Pandits. This is not even discrimination, it looks like ethnic cleansing.
    There is no doubt in my mind that Kashmiris got only what they deserved on the basis of comparative merit. But they don’t complain. Look who does!

    Comment by innocuous tyro — August 27, 2008 @ 12:42 pm

  408. innocuous tyro said, on August 27th, 2008 at 12:42 pm

    For All
    those who thinl Jammu is discriminated

    —–

    we need not get ourself corrected from Crap posts…
    we have seen it and faced……it u might have ur brainwashed mentality about azadi…..
    with which u will only find faults with GOI

    and will never see what jammu has faced and seeen….

    Comment by HAR HAR MAHADEV — August 27, 2008 @ 12:47 pm

  409. http://www.greaterkashmir.com/contactus.asp?Date=27_8_2008

    Look they have offices in Pakistan…..

    Are you talking about this greaterkashmir .

    Comment by Vicky — August 27, 2008 @ 12:49 pm

  410. You missed few details

    Chief Ministers, and also who conducts the recruitment for each of your figures.

    68 lakh population please include how many are literates and how many are illiterates.

    KAS, MBBS etc are all under constant writs becasue of manipulation. We say come and compete don’t take back doors. Be educated and we will accept you.

    I like this kind of details… get some more…

    Comment by Amit — August 27, 2008 @ 12:50 pm

  411. hey mr inno… what can i do if muslims in india are not able to be pm of india.. don’t talk like illitrates… we are having a parlmtry system of govt in india and people choose the members… so hw do u except that indians will make muslims their pm when half of them demand for aazadi… some are with simi.. wht do u expect that u will get everything even after saying pakistan zindabad…
    and trust me if india will ever be having an officer who deserves to be army chief ..he will never be ditched.. after all in india we are not having dictator ship as in pakistan…

    so u desh drohi leave india

    Comment by Neha — August 27, 2008 @ 12:51 pm

  412. As far as copy paste is there.. you should thank me for not showing you what I feel and manipulating my statements and imposing on you. FACTS are FACTS

    Comment by Amit — August 27, 2008 @ 12:52 pm

  413. Amit,

    #We say come and compete don’t take back doors. Be educated and we will accept you.

    Deserve it and get it .
    I don’t think we have explain him how much discrimination was there when KP’s were there. My close relatives did get in REC even after securing position in 12th ….
    We finally had to knock doors ?

    If you deserve you get it .. otherwise …..OFF , noone will care about you.

    It is all about meritocracy and I think KP’s have demonstrated that ….

    Comment by Vicky — August 27, 2008 @ 12:56 pm

  414. #My close relatives did get in REC

    I mean they did not get admission in REC’s ….

    Comment by Vicky — August 27, 2008 @ 12:57 pm

  415. We finally had to knock the doors of court …

    Comment by Vicky — August 27, 2008 @ 12:58 pm

  416. greater kashmir newspaper is the worst news paper i ever saw… i personally met its journl.. and trust me they are so cunning and talk as irrevelant as mr inno is.

    Comment by Neha — August 27, 2008 @ 1:03 pm

  417. and mr inno is giving details of that news paper…give us some authentic one

    Comment by Neha — August 27, 2008 @ 1:05 pm

  418. Neha, it is pakistani paper in jk
    http://www.greaterkashmir.com/contactus.asp?Date=27_8_2008

    I am wondering how they have office in jammu.

    Comment by Vicky — August 27, 2008 @ 1:06 pm

  419. Neha ana Amit
    truth is bitter and what i have writeen are not statements they are official facts.
    If you have a problem with Greater Kashmir what can anyone do.
    These are facts and as always facts are bitter.

    Now the advocates of meritrocracy ned to first know the definition of meritrocracy.
    Meritrocracy means a goverment run by meritorious people. How many toppers in class are running the govt ,i am afriad none.
    Lalu, Rabri, Ramodass, Modi, Advani, …..please no more n oone is worth it.

    And you KP’s now say that we need to compete , i think you forgot the reservation in each and every college and university of India fro you.
    Sad ,,champions of meritrocracy have reservations.
    When i was in !0th standard all 20 toppers were Muslims and that was not 1990 .
    When i was in 12th standard out of teh 72 open merit seats in REC 57 were Muslims.
    Neha you people attacked the office of GK in curfew ( read again in curfew) and the Govt did nothing.
    In Kashmir the forces fire bullets on protestors and in Jammu they are lathi charged.
    The reason given by the DGP and IG Jammu , the protestors in Jammu carry tricolor so we cant fire on them . And the arson , loot and destruction was done by Jammu protestors not by Kashmiris

    Comment by innocuous tyro — August 27, 2008 @ 1:19 pm

  420. Rohit

    British exploited India natural resources what is India doing in KAshmir , read about the Salaal Hydel project all its electricity goes to teh Central Govt, The Baglihar power project though in the state is controlled by Delhi. Isnt itr exploitation of natural resources.

    Kashmir is known for its saffron and carpet industry , but Inddia has not allowed it to flourish . Slowly the apple of Kashmir is also having a waning market.

    Adinistrative jobs are flodded with non kashmiris. Kashmir has had only 6 Chief secretaries in these 61 years. All commisioner secrataries are non state subjects barring only seven out of the total 24
    Isnt this a similarity becuae you understand this reasoning only.
    And just to compare Indian independence on an equitable basis with Kashmir may not be always possible but the bottom linen is we are also fighting against an oppressor.

    Comment by innocuous tyro — August 27, 2008 @ 1:28 pm

  421. i meant Neha and Vicky instead of Neha and Amit

    Comment by innocuous tyro — August 27, 2008 @ 1:30 pm

  422. why do u guys want to go just 50 YRS in history…… I think the root cause of the terrorism and problem all over the world is attributed to One and only ISLAM…….

    What was in Kashmir before ISLAM…….. That is not too long back…….. Have u read what ISLAM did to KAshmir…..

    Do u know why Sikhs are in Kashmir….. they came to fight ISLAM……. but why….. ISLAM raped yound girls and killed men every where……

    Look at that history……….

    What has Momahhad taught them…. When he signed Peace Treaty with another tribe …. I guess it was Qurash tribe….. He turned back to that tribe with in 2 Yrs and attacked and finished the tribe……..
    How can we accept MUSLIM….. history has proved them Hardcore terrorists time and again…..and again….
    Muhammad with his holy hands slaughtered 600-900 people of one tribe…. slitting the throat…. The example is followed by Muslims Following ISLAM everywhere…..
    There stratigies change based on the 5age of the population……

    We have to Know what is taught to them in Quran….. to understand the main intentions behind any action….. They cant be trusted a bit….. Look at muhammad it self…….

    People claim he had married widows… who made them widows????? he himself…..
    I am sure there was a lot of compulsion marriying 6 year old….. I understand…..
    Look at how perverted Islam is… even in the Heaven Muhammad could not think any thing beyond sex…. all he told them u will get virgins there………

    Guys think twice what are we dealing with…..

    All the ISLAM has grown in all the years is from swords and daggers to suicide bombers, ak-47 bombs, grenades and what else…. Look around the world…..

    Wha are we to stop this wave against ISLAm …. world is doing it look all over the net……
    Anil

    Comment by Koul Anil — August 27, 2008 @ 1:54 pm

  423. i don’t understand what u mean… u understand parlimentry system….u understand democracy…sorry but a person who doesn’t know the def. of these 2 can only talk of such stupid… ..and please behave ur language ..and u need not provide us definitions…if we will be unable to understand we can manage to get the meaning…

    and about reservation don’t forget that too happened because of u people… u made us to leave our kash,mir and if the govt is helping us in some way why u people get irritated… i wish u were driven out of kashmir then only u could understand how difficult it is to be a migrant or reffuge(hope u understand these words )

    all u crammers… i have seen u guys cramiing all the time..

    and if u are aware of the fact the persons who do or raise antinational slogans …this is the proper way in which any govt should deal….thank god that shoot at sight ordres were noty given for those who raised anti national slogans….

    want to hear more…. u desh drohi

    Comment by Neha — August 27, 2008 @ 1:56 pm

  424. ok mr inno let me ask u aquestion..but be honest..?
    wht do u want that the millitants should be killed by army or the l 4 children and mother by milltants?
    .but u have to choose only one

    Comment by Neha — August 27, 2008 @ 1:59 pm

  425. I want the militants should be killed by army because they have targeted innocent children and a women by keeping them hostage ..if that is the truth ..You know i have my reservations with Indian media.
    The problem is you believe what Indian TV shows you but you ignore what is not shown.

    To your earlier post , you are always at liberty to know more dictionary meanings of words.
    Neha we never made you leave Kashmir , a lot of like minded people of oyur ideologue have accepted that , ask Vicky, Rohit, Amit et al. They belived that it was jagmohan who drove you away and they say it was the best decision for them.

    I dont know what is your alma mater but let me tell you crammers dont ladt long in studies . you have seem a few crammers but you say all are crammrs …That is not fair

    Shoot at sight orders are always there for KAshmitris othrwise more than 2,00,000 kashmiris would not have adorned the graves.
    COmpare Jammu agitation and kashmir agitation, Seven protestors in Jammu were killed and so far 41 Kashmiris have losttheir lives.

    Wake up to teh truth Neha

    Comment by innocuous tyro — August 27, 2008 @ 2:09 pm

  426. OUR GREAT CHANKYA said that, they may come as invader,& then they will settle here & tried for PAN ISLAMISATION IN HINDUSTAN.BUT SADLEY THEY FAILED BUT NOW THEY ARE TRYING AGAIN. WE must get united against such innocuos type & there like. THEY will never understand coexistance, humanisation, cause they belive in non belivers as KAFIR, & by converting by any means or killing them is WRITTEN IN QURAN, that way they get JANNAT. NOW how much your argument has logic but it doesnot make them understand so WHAT OPTION DO WE HAVE, ONLY ONE, BRING OUR GOVERMENT TO THE ABSOLUTE POWER, & CHANGE THE TOTAL CONSTITUTION OF HINDUSTAN. Least we can do for liberal MUSLIM WHO HAS TO ACCEPT NEW CONSTITUTION & STAY HERE. PLS do not waste your energy on ppl like innocuos. QUOTE: ALL MUSLIM ARE NOT TERORIST BUT ALL TERORIST ARE MUSLIMS:::IS DESH MAIN REHNA HAI TO VANDE MATRAM KEHNA HOGA.

    Comment by vid123 — August 27, 2008 @ 2:13 pm

  427. #innocuous tyro

    nice … lets see the complete picture…

    >>In Kashmir the forces fire bullets on protestors and in Jammu they are lathi charged.

    http://www.rediff.com/news/2008/aug/05gupta.htm

    Please read it carefully…. its not that KP haven’t faced this all in this conflict… but neither Pandits cry globally, like Muslim do…. nor had media given such focus to it…. like it did to kashmiri’s …. Oh, do i need to mention media’s loving ‘Islamic rage boy’… which in itself tells how much of propaganda is been pushed and from where !!

    >>Neha you people attacked the office of GK in curfew ( read again in curfew) and the Govt did nothing.

    why really ‘You Muslim’ later then calim, that not all Muslims are terrorist … especially in light of the fact when you are even pushing a women with rioter’s who destroyed public property during curfew ( ‘Yes read it well, you blamed a women for attacking office of GK in curfew….’)

    >>Kashmir is known for its saffron and carpet industry , but India has not allowed it to flourish . Slowly the apple of Kashmir is also having a waning market.

    Saffron in special has a big significance in Indian culture, not in arabic culture…. and why blame India ? i think if someone is to be blame, then its Islamic militancy… but argh… how can followers of a perverted prophet can understand this straight fact…. i have 2 great examples here …

    1) Israel and Palestine… Palestine earns highest per-capita help in world, which is estimated to be as high as 2500€ per person-per month ….. worth to mention that this figure does not include arabic funds donated as ‘zakat’… but only UN and western funds, zakats… what really happen during last 60 years ?

    Arabic Jews, who also got a overhead to take care of Jews that came from europe after loosing everything ( including family members under Islamofacist-nazi alliance ), and also jews who were forced to flew Arabic countries gathered in trans-jordan(Israel-today) and started with new dream…. look today, they converted a desert into a oasis with their hard work…. but is it applicable for muslims ?

    ok, even if i accept your logic that in last 60 years pali’s had not been able to settle ( ignoring that pakistanis, bangladeshis and Indians do settled in that time period).. then too after israeli pull out of gaza, they left behind green houses ….. what happen to them ? will you blame Jews for that, or the Islamic culture ?

    2) India offered a big market to all, in fact it even provide a special preferred nation status to Pakistan, and in-fact pakistani agricultural trade is too much dependent on india….. so as per those kashmiri rawalpindi supporter’s.. they think that pakistani Jihadi will offer them the big market for kashmiri products (with short sighted attention on saffron and apples….. with acceptance that against saffron, apple is small lifed… and apple ‘might’ have rotten because of curfew … both in kashmir and Jammu ..) … yet in light of this fact, and above mentioned fact that Kashmir gets more funds then UP or Bihar …. it is worth to ask, what was that factor that hold kasmiri’s back from development.. kashmiri politics around ‘Kashmiri politicians’ or was that indian politicians… or should we blame Indians, or should be blame kashmiri millitancy ? afterall the base fact is that even the weaponary need money….. if kashmiri- as well as pali’s might have used their funds in proper development…. then you might not be suffering.

    but argh… they want to live in 6th century, and follow a 6th century rapist warlord…. how can you teach them that Peace brings harmony and growth… not war, rape and global cries….

    Comment by PM — August 27, 2008 @ 2:16 pm

  428. mr inno…in reality i don’t completly trust media..but what happens infront of ur eyes one can’t deny that…..

    ok u tell me is it possible for any person to live with 95% of millitants…i think u must be very well aware about the pop of kps in kashmir it was around 5 % or let it be 10%..then tell me what option was left to them when kashmiri pandits were killled… when the schooll going girls were abducted… is it possible to live in such environment… and even muslims told us to leave an d they said we will not be resp. in masjids annoucem,ent s were made for hindus and teling them to leave… wht r u telling me my parents faced all this… and about the policies of jagmohan … we kps are thankful to him that he saved us from millita\nts.. otherwise i won’t be here …
    and if all of u really never wanted us to move out then why whenever the govt plans.. innocent people rae killed… and one more thing there is a lot of diff between those who are nationals and those who are anti nationals….

    so u don’t care about me and just come out of the cocoon

    Comment by Neha — August 27, 2008 @ 2:25 pm

  429. INNOCUOS & LIKE SAY, what we say is truth truth truth truth truth truth truth truth
    & WHEN OTHERS SAY , they are wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wronge wronge
    INNOCUOS & LIKE SAY, WE are right right right right right right right right right right
    WHEN OTHERS SAY, they are liar liar liar liar liar liar liar liar liar liar liar liar liar liar liar liar liar

    SO ARGUMENT will never end with such war mongor knucklhead ppl.

    QUOTE: ALL MUSLIM WERE, IS, & WILL FOLLOW TERORISM.

    IS DESH MAIN VANDE MATRAM HI BOLNA PADEGA.

    Comment by vid123 — August 27, 2008 @ 2:27 pm

  430. Call our RAF(Rapid Action Force) ;)

    Comment by Vicky — August 27, 2008 @ 2:30 pm

  431. these people are pata nahi kya

    Comment by Neha — August 27, 2008 @ 2:36 pm

  432. vid

    you have quoted the Koran out of context.
    Let me quote the bhgavd gita out of context
    Lord Krishna killed all his relatives —-so hindus are allowed to kill their relatives
    Pandavas gave their wive in a bet— hindus treat theori wives as bet in gambling

    …….. what conclusion do we get from these two arguments quoted out of context.

    WHen you have to quote Koran quote it in proper context so that people know the truth
    The truth is Koran says that kill those who attack you when they do not underatnd the language of peace. Tell them to come to common terms nd what are those
    All of us believe in one God . IF after coming to the talking table they do not believe and attack you kill them.

    you want to change the total constitutin of India and bring people to task. Who stips you vid please do it but let us also our right of self determination.

    All terrorists are non religious and all muslims love peace which is their fundamental tenet.
    Hamey to Hundustan mein rehna he nahi hai , Vande Mataram Kehna to aap ke Vedas key hisaab se be gunaah hai.

    Comment by innocuous tyro — August 27, 2008 @ 2:37 pm

  433. What will they say No one could tell yes to this question of mine I repeat “All I got is silence or topic change”:

    Just in case you forgot my question here I will post it again for your benefit and benefit of others who missed reading it earlier: remember I am not slandering ISLAM they are facts presented to you and your brothers and sisters…….
    _____________________________________
    Dear innocuous tyro. We have asked this question to many people but so far no one said yes Let us see what u say…….

    I can debate on ur religion and go point by point but let me bring up one point that was said earlier and see if you can answer….. there is a question posed to your muslim brother please see if you can answer……
    ———————————————————–

    Pacifist my question is not to slander ur religion but let us follow it with better logic:

    Muhammads life is the ideal and perfect life says quran am i slandering ur religion — NO.
    Muhammad married aiesha at the age of 6 and consummated her at the age of 9 is this slandering ur religion — NO

    based on above two extrapolating the facts to yourself:

    I am asking will u marry ur daughter or sister at age of 6 with the pious 51 year old muslim mulla who lived life exactly like Muhammad “as u musliman calls perfect” and let him consummate when ur sister/daughter is age of 9. Am I asking u something ur muhammad did not do — NO . Am i slandering ur religion NO.. it is in ur religion

    If u think that something is ethically or morally wrong with that, Then question yourself am I better person with ISLAM or without ISLAM. And take the right decision.

    LEAVE ISLAM THERE IS THE OPTION –THINK PEOPLE ARE DOING IT.
    ————————————————————-

    Wave is going around world who am I and u to stop it….. we just need to accept the facts and move and support the wave…… that is it….

    Anil

    Comment by koul Anil — August 27, 2008 @ 2:44 pm

  434. Neha
    95% militabts so you have equated all Kashmiris as militnats carrying arms.. This is wrong
    I had responded to such questions earlir i am reproducing what i wrote again

    Your frustation is genuine as you are bereft of your motherland. I have mentioned in my earlier posts on this forum , only 373 Kashmiri Pandits have ben killed since 1990 and compare it with nearly 2,00,000 muslims killed by Indian Security forces and the number increases every day.
    Although no killing can be justified but we regret the killing of these 373 KP’s but a few in them were Indian agents like “Saata Galdaar”, “Lassal Koul”. And you are wrong when you say that Kashmirir muslims didnt come to your rescue when as you allegedly say were raped , killed. I am a witness we saved numerous pandit families when the fury against India was at its cresendo in 1990.
    You are seeing only one side on the story have you ever asked your cousin what has happened to the 6 million kashmiris living in Kashmir. Remind him of the massacre of Hawal , Gow Kadal, Sopore, the mass rape in Kunan Poshpora, Handwara . The thousands of fake killings under teh garb of Operation Tiger, the numerous custodial killings and the everday killing in cross fire . The list goes on and who did it …..”INDIA SECURITY FORCES”\
    you are wondering how can human beings behave so callously and kill 373 KP’s with disdain. Friend go to teh annals of history and ask those who have witnessed the 1947 riots in Jammu. Nearly 8 lakh muslims assembled on the Atari Railway station for mgration to Pakistan and what did teh Indian Fanatics do when the train left it was stopped midway and set on fire resulting in the killing of 3 Lakh muslims …. Arent you wondered by this callusness and cruelty.
    WHen revolutions occur a few hiccups are bound to happen but that i no way means we are justifying the killings of 373 KP’s , our heart bleds for them but to leave the valley was their decision influenced by Jagmohan not by Kashmiri Muslims.

    Neha whenever the Govt plans innocent people are killed. DO i need to repeat wht happened in ChattiSighpora, Wandharhama, Brackpora ….It was all done by Government and it has been proved today by no other than the Indian Government itself.

    n the media let me quote a simple incidence.
    All the National Tv channels showed the Protests in Jammu but none showed the 1 million gathering at EidGah….

    you have your reasons to be a staucnh National and i have no doubt in my mind to be a proud Anti Indian policy person.
    Differences are healthy and they in the long run are constructive.

    Let us see what happens

    Comment by innocuous tyro — August 27, 2008 @ 2:48 pm

  435. ALL MUSLIMS ARE NOT TERRORISTS BUT ALL TERRORISTS ARE MUSLIMS… THE MUSLIMS THAT ARE NOT TERRORISTS ARE NOT FOLLOWING ISLAM….. IN SHORT YES ALL MUSLIMS ARE TERRORISTS AND HAS BEEN PROVED TIME AND AGAIN…..

    READ BELOW…..

    God whom am I trying to teach Humanity……

    read this I dont know what to say:
    ——————————————————————————
    What is my greatest problem in the Valley?

    “When you kill one person, you go to the prison. When you kill one hundred persons, you are a hero. And when you are responsible for the killings of hundreds of persons you are invited to peace talks.”

    My father a petty shopkeeper was picked up from our home, within minutes hanged to death in the precincts of our house in presence of my mother, sister and brother with no charge, rhyme or reason. Neighbouring elderly Muslim women came to console us. Some of them said that it was God’s will. Not an insect can be killed unless Allah wills. There were tears in the eyes of a few girls, my class mates, but when one of them told me to forget the dark past and rejoice in the new faith I was greatly hurt. She told me this while the dead body was still hanging from our walnut tree in front of our house. I was shown a Muslim neighbour elder to me 10 or 15 years to be my husband.

    BSF by chance suspected something wrong as they saw hundreds of men, women and children running to our house. BSF helped us to move to Jammu. In Jammu I pin-pointed names of all those who mercilessly eliminated my dearest father but all in vain. Kashmir is 100% Islamised now. If I return to my home in the valley someday, how shall I feel when I face the same people who proved so cruel and barbaric and easily escaped any punishment even the formality of being questioned.

    (Name withheld), Resident of District Badgam, J&K, India.
    —————————————————————————————————
    MUSLIMS IS this what you are talking about love to KAshmiri Pandits. Shame on u and ur parentage……. Shame on ISLAM and its creators……

    MORE INFO FROM BELOW…. READ

    http://www.kashmiri-pandit.org/projectr3/survivorstories.php?sid=0

    ANIL

    Comment by Koul Anil — August 27, 2008 @ 3:03 pm

  436. innocuous tyro

    PROVE TOP US WE ARE WRONG IN SAYING:

    ALL MUSLIMS ARE NOT TERRORISTS BUT ALL TERRORISTS ARE MUSLIMS… THE MUSLIMS THAT ARE NOT TERRORISTS ARE NOT FOLLOWING ISLAM

    IT IS ALL OVER QURAN…… WHOM ARE U FANATICS BLUFFING……

    UR SWEET TALK WONT WORK ANY MORE…. WE ARE NOT GANDHI’S AND NEHRU’S…. WE ARE HERE TO TAKE DOWM ISLAM…. WE ARE HERE TO TEACH ISLAM TO MUSLIM…. FROM HIS TERRORIST MANUAL QURAN….. STOP THIS PEACE TALK AND PEACE TREETIES ISLAM IS A BACK STABBER…….
    ISLAM PROPAGATES LIES… READ ISLAM….. WHO SAID IT WAS WRITTEN BY GOD FOR MANKING….. IF IT WAS MOTHER OF ALL CURES WOULD BE CAMEL URINE MIXED WITH CAMEL MILK……

    ANIL

    Comment by Koul Anil — August 27, 2008 @ 3:09 pm

  437. Anil Koul
    It is easy to ask questions

    i will answer and will answer to your satisfaction
    Before that you answer me

    Will you and your brothers marry one girl and share her on a daily basis and later on put her as a bet in Gambling????? And what will be th offsprings from thsi woman called amongst themselves?????

    Now to your question

    Aisha Married Muhammed as a disciple and Muhammed did not marry her for libido. He married her due to closeness to his father Abu Bakr . In those days it was not conmsidered abnormal to marry a girl at the age of onset of puberty so Muhammed tried to show the world that he is doinga normal thing. Now the dynamicas of the world have changed and so the nubile age of woman also has changed . The point you are making is that Muhammed had sex with Aisha at the age of nine which is not correct , He married woman of all ages and 9 of his wives were widows , he married to show the world that marriage is not about sexual satisfaction but it is to give dignity to women of all ages.
    Secondly you treat Muhammed(SAW) as a common man but for us he was the messenger of Allah a person par excellence . An epitome of humanity . All these bogus posts against teh prophet are to maliogn him and carry no weight. The Hadith in Sahih Bukhari which a few people quote are incorrect as they are against the Quran.
    Now will i marry daughter or sister with a person like Muhammed , let me tell you there is only omne Prophet muhammed he cannot have an equal so it is a sin to think on those lines. Muhammed married for a mission , for a cause , we marry to further the progeny and as a Sunnah of teh Prophet …so your question is polituically incorect and hypothetical . And hypothetical questions have no answers.

    And Anil Koul io would suggest you listen to the videos of Zakir Naik and other great muslim scholars on teh position of Muhammed in Hinduism. Things would become clear and you would stop thinking from your biased prism of illogical reasoning.

    Hope you are satisfied …and yes do answer my question if you can..

    Comment by innocuous tyro — August 27, 2008 @ 3:10 pm

  438. U ARE TAKING ABOUT 2-8 LACKS OF MUSLIMS…… HISTORY SPEAKS VOLUMES….. 8-10 MILLION HINDUS WERE KILLED BY ISLAM……

    U CALL IT RELIGION OF PEACE….. SHAME ON MUMAHHAD…. MUSLIMS WHY GO TO HAKIMS DRING MOTHER OF ALL MEDICINES CAMEL URINE+CAMEL MILK……. QURAN SAYS SO……

    aNIL

    Comment by Koul Anil — August 27, 2008 @ 3:13 pm

  439. ####since indepence -3 muslim presidents. 1 musim vp…3 _cj of supreme court..

    //see the level of exaggeration , she forgot zero PM’s, zero Army CHiefs, zero CEC’s, zero NAVY CHiefs, zero Airforce Chiefs, zero Intelligence chiefs and this is a SECULAR INDIA//

    Where’s the exaggeration here???If India cannot be biased in having a Muslim president(who is the supreme commander of armed forces) then surely it cannot be for having muslims at any level of the admin.provided they act like Indians!!!!Infact the problem is that muslims are so engrossed in bickering against India n infighting that they hardly find time to prosper!

    Jihaids kil women and children , What about Indian Army . You people claim to have a spotless Army::
    ahhh……….wat logic!!

    tell me Mr. innocuous tyro…..if you kill a person who is threatening your very survival or the lives of your near n dear ones ,is it murder or self defence??Should you be rated at the same level as that of a seasoned criminal/militant??

    Comment by United India — August 27, 2008 @ 3:14 pm

  440. he married to show the world that marriage is not about sexual satisfaction but it is to give dignity to women of all ages.:

    yes ofcourse…..the dignity that Islam n muslims(taliban,pakis etc.) have for women is common knowlegde, isn’t it ;)

    BTW the other so called “WIDOWED” wives of Muhammed………who made them widows in the first place???

    Comment by United India — August 27, 2008 @ 3:22 pm

  441. about the media let me quote a simple incidence.
    All the National Tv channels showed the Protests in Jammu but none showed the 1 million gathering at EidGah….

    Which NATIONAL NEWS CHANNEL is he talking of???? ISRAEL TV??? ;)

    Comment by United India — August 27, 2008 @ 3:27 pm

  442. Anil Koul

    ###ALL MUSLIMS ARE NOT TERRORISTS BUT ALL TERRORISTS ARE MUSLIMS… THE ###MUSLIMS THAT ARE NOT TERRORISTS ARE NOT FOLLOWING ISLAM

    read now with blinkers remoived.

    Muslim— one who follows Islam
    Islam– Submitting ones will to Allah ( God)
    So a muslim is one who submits his will to Allah

    Terrorist— One who practices terror and is against peace
    It is the propaganda of the media nd teh world to portray muslims as terrorists whereas a muslim is one who submits will to Allah and islam is synonymous to peace.
    The media has been so much against Islam that it has changed the psyche of people by making them believe that islam is synionymous t o terror.

    If you have to understand a faith do not see its followers but see its teachings and scriptures.
    And none of the tenets or teachings os islam says to practicd terror.

    now the story you narrated is really sad and our heart bleeds for those 373 KP’s who lost their lives at the onset of miliotancy.
    But have you read the stories of those lakhs of muslims who have been killed , raped and tortured i these 19 years.
    Read storiesa of Kunan Posh pora where 40 women were gnag raped by Indian Army in 1993
    Read stories of scores of families whose sons were killed by Army of India
    Read stories of numerous people whose kith and kin were kiled in custody by indian forces
    Read stories of people who lost their lives in Fake encounters
    Read stories of people who were killed under “Operation Tiger” …My three calss mates were killed by Indian Army when they were playing cricket .

    Comment by innocuous tyro — August 27, 2008 @ 3:27 pm

  443. Read storiesa of Kunan Posh pora where 40 women were gnag raped by Indian Army in 1993
    Read stories of scores of families whose sons were killed by Army of India
    Read stories of numerous people whose kith and kin were kiled in custody by indian forces
    Read stories of people who lost their lives in Fake encounters
    Read stories of people who were killed under “Operation Tiger” …My three calss mates were killed by Indian Army when they were playing cricket .

    SAALE ne yeh 4 incidents hi rutt liye hain…

    ARRE YAAR yeh phir in 4 incidents ke peechhe rone lag gaya!!

    Comment by United India — August 27, 2008 @ 3:33 pm

  444. United India
    seems you are hurt by the truth. National TV channels of India and they consist of to name a few NDTV, ZEE, STAR, CNn IBN etc.

    Anil Koul

    8-10 laks mulims were killed is it? Mughals ruled India for 400 years but today the Hindu population is 80 crore and muslims 11 crore …Who killed whom by this data can you say please

    Comment by innocuous tyro — August 27, 2008 @ 3:34 pm

  445. United
    galiyaan de kar tu ne apni khaslat bata di….

    pehley yeh chaar incident to maan jaav phir aur 100 boloonga.

    Aur tumlogo ne kya ratt liya hai ..Mera Bharat mahaan , Kashmir nahi banega Hinduastaan

    United if you sont have reasons then you just sit on teh fence and just watch and learn . dont poke your noe into matters you dont know

    Comment by innocuous tyro — August 27, 2008 @ 3:38 pm

  446. More incidents of teh indian Army

    200 killed in Gaw Kadal
    110 killd in Hawal on a funeral procession
    60 killed in Bohri Kadal
    100 killed in Sopore
    the list goes on…..

    Comment by innocuous tyro — August 27, 2008 @ 3:40 pm

  447. Anil koul
    you are misleading people by attributing wrong quotes to teh glorious koran
    you said
    ###U CALL IT RELIGION OF PEACE….. SHAME ON MUMAHHAD…. MUSLIMS WHY GO ###TO HAKIMS DRING MOTHER OF ALL MEDICINES CAMEL URINE+CAMEL MILK……. ###QURAN SAYS SO……

    where does Quran say so , which verse which chapter, Tell us then i will tel lyou the truith

    Comment by innocuous tyro — August 27, 2008 @ 3:48 pm

  448. Here is how the muhammads life is re-lived by the preachers urf mullas u teach their disciple………

    http://www.faithfreedom.org/Gallery/16.htm

    Photos above will prove the real islam is being relived by muhammad like mullas….. world is seeing….

    ON CAMEL URINE AND MILK

    First let us look at the Sayings (Hadiths) of our beloved Prophet that dealt with camel urine:

    Narrated Abu Qilaba: “Anas said, “Some people of ‘Ukl or ‘Uraina tribe came to Medina and its climate did not suit them. So the Prophet ordered them to go to the herd of (Milch) camels and to drink their milk and urine (as a medicine). So they went as directed and after they became healthy, they killed the shepherd of the Prophet and drove away all the camels. The news reached the Prophet early in the morning and he sent (men) in their pursuit and they were captured and brought at noon. He then ordered to cut their hands and feet (and it was done), and their eyes were branded with heated pieces of iron, They were put in ‘Al-Harra’ and when they asked for water, no water was given to them.” Abu Qilaba said, “Those people committed theft and murder, became infidels after embracing Islam and fought against Allah and His Apostle . (Sahih Bukhari, Ablutions (Wudu’), Volume 1, Book 4, Number 234)”

    KEEP READING

    Comment by koul Anil — August 27, 2008 @ 4:06 pm

  449. HERE IS THE INFORMATION ON GUESSTIMATE HOW MANY HINDUS DIED:

    http://www.danielpipes.org/comments/45331

    WHY DONT U RECHECK ANY THING I SAY BY GOOGLING….. IT IS A GREAT TOOL….
    aNIL

    Comment by koul Anil — August 27, 2008 @ 4:07 pm

  450. FOR THOSE WHO ARE SCARED TO CLICK LINKS GIVEN BY ME:

    With the invasion of India by Mahmud Ghazni about 1000 A.D., began the one of the worst Muslim invasions into the Indian subcontinent and they lasted for several centuries. The Muslim invasions continued even when the Muslims were ruling India, like the invasion of the Mongols during the reign of the Khiljis or the invasion of the Mughals in the early sixteenth Century when the Lodis were ruling Delhi. The last notable invasion of the Muslims from outside was the invasion of Nadir Shah in 1739, during which he unleashed a great horror on the native population.

    During these seven hundred years of Muslim invasions and their conquest and rule of India, the Hindus were the greatest sufferers. It is difficult to estimate the number of Hindus who lost their lives during these campaigns, the number of Hindus who lost their lives in the religious persecution perpetrated on the native population by the Muslim rulers or the number of Hindus who were forcibly converted to Islam.

    According to Prof. K.S. Lal, the author of the Growth of Muslim population in India, the Hindu population decreased by 80 million between 1000 AD, the year Mahmud Ghazni invaded India and 1525 AD, a year before the battle of Panipat.

    One can safely add another 20 million Hindus to this list to account for the number that were killed during the Mughal rule or the rule of the Muslim rulers in the Deccan plateau. By all known accounts of world history, as pointed out by Koenard Elst in his book the Negationism in India, destruction of about 100 million hindus is perhaps the biggest holocaust in the whole world history.

    Europe never forgot or forgave the atrocities of the Nazi rule under Hitler. We hardly come across any positive reference to either Hitler or his army in the present day text books on European History. No one talks there of the qualities of Hitler as a great commander or an inspiring leader of German people whom he could mould and influence with his hypnotic speeches. No films are made showing Hitler as a romantic hero singing songs and his mistress as a heroine shedding copious tears over her lover! The European consciousness is filled with the evil deeds perpetrated by his regime, thanks to the untiring work of their politicians, journalists, historians and film producers, so much so that the very thought of seeing any virtue in either Hitler or Nazis is abhorrent to the consciousness of the present day Europeans. Europe and America produced at least a few thousand films highlighting the human misery caused by Hitler and his army. The films expose the horrors of Nazi regime and reinforce the beliefs and attitude of the present day generation towards the evils of the Nazi dictatorship.

    In contrast look at the Muslims. There is hardly any regret among the Muslims of today for the actions of their ancestors in the past or at present, and a great majority of muhammedans think that they did the right thing by persecuting Hindus and they continue to do so today. All their heroes are rapists, murderers and looters from their leader mulammed to osama bin laden.

    It is not difficult to imagine the sufferings of people during such battles as the battle of Tallikota when Hampi, the capital of Vijayanagara empire was systematically destroyed for weeks by the muslim Bahamain sultans. Nadir Shah made a mountain of the skulls of the Hindus he killed in Delhi alone. Babur raised towers of Hindu skulls at Khanua when he defeated Rana Sanga in 1527 and later he repeated the same horrors after capturing the fort of Chanderi. Akbar who was supposed to be one of the few tolerant muslim rulers, ordered a general massacre of 30000 Rajputs after he captured Chithor in 1568. The Bahamani Sultans had an annual agenda of killing a minimum of 100000 Hindus every year. The history of medieval India is full of such instances.

    Harrak, if you are unaware with the history of the Indian subcontinent you should study it. I have put some material for you below. We hindus have not appointed Salman Rushdie or American intellectuals to rewrite history for us. The history repeats itself in the actions of our arch eneny the muslim Pakistan who is sponsoring killing of Hindus inside india even today. Todays hindus are strong and determined enough to make any muslim who tries to attack her bite the dust. Pakistan tried four times and failed.

    READ…… KNOWLEDGE IS POWER

    Comment by koul Anil — August 27, 2008 @ 4:08 pm

  451. first you said the Koran says that Urine of camel is a medicine now you come out with a false hadith from the atheist anti islamic website.

    Listen Anil koul
    Any hadith which is against Quran is false
    Hadiths have been distorted , give me a quote from teh Koran
    not from the bogus web sites

    googling throws a volley of anti islamic sites , this is google power and the veracity of Internet … Internet is mostly a false medium as it has no control.
    Quote from the Koran as you claimed earlier..

    Comment by innocuous tyro — August 27, 2008 @ 4:12 pm

  452. UR MUSLIM BROTHER IS TALKING MAY BE HE EXPLAINS IT BETTER:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjHtKKp5NXQ

    ABOUT CAMEL URINE

    Comment by koul Anil — August 27, 2008 @ 4:12 pm

  453. innocuous tyro

    Bhenchod Kashmiri Muslim (converted Hindu)….your porki brother is in bantalab Jammu holding children hostage….. he is spending night there…. have you sent your sister to his service with some food for him… Do it fast as your sister will not get another night….as your brother will not see next sunrise.

    Comment by Voice of Jammu — August 27, 2008 @ 4:16 pm

  454. WHICH MEDIA ARE U BLAMING THAT DIDNOT SHOW THE MISERIES FACED BY HINDUS…. MEDIA HAS DANCED THE TUNE BECAUSE U PEOPLE HAVE THROWN ENOUGH OIL MONEY TO BUY THE MEDIA…. STILL UR MUHAMMAD IS GETTING STRIPPED EVER DAY EVERY WHERE AND ANY WHERE……
    ANIL

    Comment by koul Anil — August 27, 2008 @ 4:16 pm

  455. Urine as Medicine

    Sahih Bukhari

    Narrated Anas:The climate of Medina did not suit some people, so the Prophet ordered them to follow his shepherd, i.e. his camels, and drink their milk and urine (as a medicine). So they followed the shepherd that is the camels and drank their milk and urine till their bodies became healthy. Then they killed the shepherd and drove away the camels. When the news reached the Prophet he sent some people in their pursuit. When they were brought, he cut their hands and feet and their eyes were branded with heated pieces of iron. Sahih Al-Bukhari, Vol. 7, Bk. 71, No. 590. (Also, see No. 589.)

    Narrated Anas: Some people from the tribe of ‘Ukl came to the Prophet and embraced Islam. The climate of Medina did not suit them, so the Prophet ordered them to go to the (herd of milch) camels of charity and to drink, their milk and urine (as a medicine). They did so, and after they had recovered from their ailment (became healthy) they turned renegades (reverted from Islam) and killed the shepherd of the camels and took the camels away. The Prophet sent (some people) in their pursuit and so they were (caught and) brought, and the Prophets ordered that their hands and legs should be cut off and that their eyes should be branded with heated pieces of iron, and that their cut hands and legs should not be cauterized, till they die. Sahih Al-Bukhari Vol. 8, Bk. 82, No. 794.

    Sahih Muslim

    Anas reported: Eight men of the tribe of ‘Ukl came to Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) and swore allegiance to him on Islam, but found the climate of that land uncogenial to their health and thus they became sick, and they made complaint of that to Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him), and he said: Why don’t you go to (the fold) of our camels along with our shepherd, and make use of their milk and urine. They said: Yes. They set out and drank their (camels’) milk and urine and regained their health. They killed the shepherd and drove away the camels. This (news) reached Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) and he sent them on their track and they were caught and brought to him (the Holy Prophet). He commanded about them, and (thus) their hands and feet were cut off and their eyes were gouged and then they were thrown in the sun, until they died.

    This hadith has been narrated on the authority of Ibn al-Sabbah with a slight variation of words. Sahih Muslim, Book 16, Number 4131 (Also, see 4130, 4132).

    Of course, many Muslims find the idea of drinking camel’s urine to be repulsive; and, as a result, they reject this hadith, even though it is Muttafaq ‘Alaih. Others justify the hadith, and point out that horse urine is the source of conjugated equine estrogens (CEE) and available as Premarin®. It is an estrogen treatment for menopausal and premenopausal women. For them, it is reason to praise Muhammad whom, they claim, had miraculous foreknowledge of modern medicine. However, there is no specific evidence that those who were ill were menopausal women or that Muhammad suggested that camel urine would cure a woman who had a low level of estrogen.

    Furthermore, those Muslims who think that Muhammad was given miraculous scientific knowledge only give lip service to this hadith. They would never put camel urine to their lips and drink it themselves. This shows that they don’t really believe the so-called miracle in their hearts. If they did, they would be asking to drink camel’s urine whenever they were ill. Since they neither believe nor follow Muhammad’s advice in this hadith, their verbal praise of Muhammad’s miraculous medical knowledge rings hollow and hypocritical.

    Even more striking than the advice to drink camel’s milk and urine is the horrific mutilation of the murderers. Since Muhammad commanded that their eyes be branded with a hot iron, and since their hand and feet were cut, tradition records that someone said, “I saw one of them licking the earth with his tongue till he died.” When Muhammad commanded them to be mutilated, he did not allow the cuts on their hands and feet to be cauterized. He wanted them to die the most slow, painful, dry, and agonizing death possible. (See Sahih Al-Bukhari No. 589 of Vol 7.)

    Yet, the Qur’an claims Muhammad’s mission was only a mission of mercy for peoples.

    And We have sent you (O Muhammad SAW) not but as a mercy for the ‘Alamin (mankind, jinns and all that exists). 21:107 [Al-Hilali & Khan's translation]

    وَمَا أَرْسَلْنَاكَ إِ لَّا رَحْمَةً لِّلْعَالَمِينَ ٢١ :١٠٧

    Justice requires that a murderer must die, but the mind that proposed this vile and cruel mutilation was motivated by neither mercy nor justice. It was mind motivated by hateful revenge and thirsting for the pleasures of seeing them go through the agonies of a prolonged and cruel death.

    Comment by koul Anil — August 27, 2008 @ 4:16 pm

  456. WHAT IS THE PROOF THAT QURAN IS GIVEN BY GOD AND IT IS NOT WRITTEN BY ALLAH….

    THERE IS ENOUGH EVIDENCE THAT ALLAH IS MOON GOD OF PAGANS…..

    SO U ARE IDOL WORSHIPERS…..

    IS IT COMMON TO HAVE MARRIAGE TO THE DISCIPLE BY MUHAMMADS OR MULLAS…..

    WHY WOULD U NOT MARRY UR 6 YR OLD SISTER/DAUGHTER TO MULLA PEOPLE ARE DOING IT

    http://www.faithfreedom.org/Gallery/16.htm

    THESE PICS ARE NOT OLD…. THEY ARE COLOR….. AGAIN IT IS MEDIA PROPAGANDA AGAINST ISLAM
    ANIL

    Comment by koul Anil — August 27, 2008 @ 4:22 pm

  457. innocuous tyro

    Bhenchod Kashmiri Muslim (converted Hindu)…. you started again preaching your “koran” one baseless XXX novel which satisfied medevial bastard mohammed and his redlight cheap whores along with his so called pimps.

    Your Koran is cheap XXX thrill and Islam a XXX blue movie with muhammed ïts “HERO

    Comment by Voice of Jammu — August 27, 2008 @ 4:23 pm

  458. LISTEN TO WAFA SULTAN….

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ciOGS6r97oE

    WAKE UP FROM UR SLEEP…..

    Comment by koul Anil — August 27, 2008 @ 4:24 pm

  459. Anil

    #Aisha Married Muhammed as a disciple and Muhammed did not marry her for libido

    I take this point , yes it makes sense .
    What proves do we have it is wrong?

    #Some people of ‘Ukl or ‘Uraina tribe came to Medina and its climate did not suit them

    There sin was theft and they killed there hands/removed eyes, I am not sure if this is justice or not.

    Anil, make sure you get the quotes from the islamic site and not from the non islamic sites ;)
    Let us just discuss it and not try to insult each other.

    We must respect God’s creation….

    Comment by Vicky — August 27, 2008 @ 4:25 pm

  460. #innocuous tyro

    >> Any hadith which is against Quran is false

    thats what we are also saying, that koran in itself is false

    1) koran is composed of hadith, which contradict with each other……
    2)its not a book from so called allah, but it has a history in which illitrate mohammed just fetch up some sayings from pagans, some from christians and some from jews….. and then mix it in a advertising stunt offering sex and sex and sex…. every one knows sex sells, and rest Muslims had done with fear of sword.

    as the world was waking up from dark ages… they started understanding …… infact look who really tried to hide the reality of islam … ;)

    http://www.aina.org/news/20080112005654.htm

    http://www.aina.org/news/20080112005654.htm

    Comment by PM — August 27, 2008 @ 4:29 pm

  461. COULDNOT AIESHA HAVE ACCEPTED HIM AS A GRANDFATHER RATHER THAN MARRY HIM…… SHAME….. 6 YEAR OLD GIRL WHAT DOES SHE KNOW ABOUT MARRIAGE AT THAT AGE…… TALK TO 6 YEAR OLD KID….. FOR GODS SAKE LOOK AT THEIR FACE……. PITY THEM FROM THE PEOPLE LIKE MUHAMMAD…. SAME THEM LEAVE ISLAM….

    http://www.faithfreedom.org/Gallery/16.htm

    SEE THE KIDS WITH THEIR MASTERS — IS THIS ISLAM…..

    SHAME ON MUHAMMAD….. U STILL BELEIVE UR CRAP…… SHAME ON YOU….

    Comment by koul Anil — August 27, 2008 @ 4:29 pm

  462. MY HEART CRIES FOR THE KASHMIRI MUSLIM GIRLS WHO GO TO MADRASSAS AND THEIR TEACHERS ….. GOD FORGIVE ME FOR EVEN THINKING THIS WAY….. BUT THE FACT IS FACT…… IT IS ISLAM……

    NO WONDER ………………. MUSLIMS ARE CRYING AND WAILING….. ISLAM HAS RAPED THEM OPENLY AND THEY CAN SAY A WORD……

    JEHADIS LIVE IN THEIR HOMES …. INITIALLY THEY LIKED IT AND LATER…… GOD SAVE THEIR LITTLE GIRLS….. FROM THEIR MULLAS……. DONT WANT TO SEE SUCH A TEACHER — DISCIPLE RELATION……. SHAME ON ISLAM…..

    Comment by koul Anil — August 27, 2008 @ 4:34 pm

  463. The Mullahs’ Little Secret: Prostitution

    Dinesh D\
    Posted Sep 24th 2007 11:16PM by Dinesh D’Souza
    Filed under: Breaking News, Islam, Sex, Ahmadinejad

    I wasn’t in the audience at Columbia, so I didn’t get to pose a question to Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. I would have guessed that he is pretty capable of answering questions about the Holocaust (“at least we didn’t do it”) and Iran’s nuclear aspirations (“entirely peaceful”). Even his stated goal of wiping Israel off the map doesn’t break the register on my surprise-o-meter. Nor would I be entirely astonished if there are many leaders in Israel who’d like to see today’s Iran wiped off the map.

    I would have liked to ask Ahmadinejad about the Shia practice of sigheh (in Farsi) or muta (in Arabic). This is the practice, widespread in Iran, of “temporary marriage.” Such marriages are forbidden in Sunni Islam but they are permitted in Shia Islam. The origin of temporary marriage is in the early days of Islam, when warriors would go to faraway battles and not return home for several months or even years. During this period, they were permitted to enter into temporary marriages which could be dissolved after an agreed-upon period by the man simply proclaiming the end of the arrangement. Since Islam allows polygamy up to four wives, this was not considered a radical departure from the rules of the Koran.

    Whatever you think of the original arrangement, it is mightily abused today in Iran. Mullahs who are traveling on pilgrimages routinely take temporary wives, sometimes for a week, sometimes for a day, sometimes for a few hours. In the West we call this prostitution. In Iran it is hallowed by the name of sigheh and it has the full sanction of the law. One can only imagine the plight of poor women in Iran who are driven by necessity to become de facto prostitutes. I’m sure there are some at the ACLU and on the left who would say the women are noble “sex workers” whose only deprivation is that they are not paid the minimum wage. They are, after all, consenting adults. But anyone who believes in female dignity and family values has to consider sigheh a complete scandal.

    I’m curious how a fellow like Ahmadinejad, who likes to portray himself as a defender of human dignity and of the Muslim family, would respond to what his mullah friends are doing on a regular basis. These abuses of power–financial, political, sexual–are more likely to discredit and ultimately bring down the regime of the mullahs than all the “tough questions” about nuclear weapons and the Holocaust.

    Comment by koul Anil — August 27, 2008 @ 4:37 pm

  464. first you said the Koran says that Urine of camel is a medicine now you come out with a false hadith from the atheist anti islamic website faithfreedom.

    Listen Anil koul
    Any hadith which is against Quran is false
    Hadiths have been distorted , give me a quote from teh Koran
    not from the bogus web sites

    googling throws a volley of anti islamic sites , this is google power and the veracity of Internet … Internet is mostly a false medium as it has no control.
    Quote from the Koran as you claimed earlier..

    Comment by innocuous tyro — August 27, 2008 @ 4:38 pm

  465. You may have heard the claim that Muhammad married a little girl. Is this only a false rumor?

    Shortly after Ayatollah Khomeini’s revolution in Iran (1979), he lowered the marriage age for girls from eighteen years old down to nine years old. Why would these devout Muslims do such a thing? Did they stray from original Islamic ideals?

    Furthermore, we all know that seventh-century Arabia was patriarchal, so it stands to reason that the Quran would reflect its surrounding culture. How does this patriarchy show up in the Quran?

    However, devout Muslims believe that the Quran is universal; that is, it is good for all of humanity at all times, since Allah, the god of the world, sent it down through Gabriel to his favorite prophet. So why wouldn’t traditional Islamic societies endorse this patriarchy as really being universal?

    To answer all of these questions, the revealed Quran speaks of two unpleasant (but allegedly universal) truths about women.

    The goal in this article is to analyze ALL of Islam, not simply to put it down.

    Comment by koul Anil — August 27, 2008 @ 4:42 pm

  466. @innocuous tyro

    where can we read the english translation of real QURAN which you talk?

    Comment by Vicky — August 27, 2008 @ 4:42 pm

  467. IF HADIATH HAS BEEN DISTORTED WHY NOT QURAN ALSO…. BOOK IS A BOOK IS A BOOK…

    INTERNET HAS NO CONTROL….. ONE OF THE LARGEST RELIGIONS IN WORLD HAS NO ANSWERS FOR THE INTERNET GO AND PUT UP ANSWERS FOR THE WORLD….

    EASY ENOUGH TAKE THE CHALLANGE WITH ALI SINA AND MAKE US$50,000 FOR UR SELF AND HE WILL TAKE AWAY THAT SITE TOO…. HAVE BALLS TAKE THE CHALLENGE CLICK BELOW AND UNDERSTAND IT….. ASK UR KASHMIRI MULLAS ABOUT IT AND THEY WILL PISS OFF….

    http://www.faithfreedom.org/challenge.htm

    ABOVE IS THE OPEN CHALLENGE TO ALL THE MUSLIMS WORLD WIDE….. NEED HELP FROM MOST KNOWLEDGEABLE TAKE IT………

    UR ZAKIR NAIR DIDNOT WANT TO DEBATE AND AVOIDED MAY BE U R MULLA IS GOOD…. TELL THEM….

    Comment by koul Anil — August 27, 2008 @ 4:49 pm

  468. DEFINITIONS FOR THE PEOPLE WHO DONT KNOW:

    Sunnah and Hadith

    Qur’an 59:7
    “And whatever the Messenger gives you, take it, and whatever he forbids you, leave it. And fear Allah: truly Allah is severe in punishment. ” [Qur'an 59:7]

    In Islam, the Arabic word sunnah has come to denote the way Prophet Muhammad (saas), the Messenger of Allah, lived his life. The Sunnah is the second source of Islamic jurisprudence, the first being the Qur’an. Both sources are indispensable; one cannot practice Islam without consulting both of them. The Arabic word hadith (pl. ahadith) is very similar to Sunnah, but not identical. A hadith is a narration about the life of the Prophet (saas) or what he approved – as opposed to his life itself, which is the Sunnah as already mentioned.

    In M. M. Azami’s Studies in Hadith Methodology and Literature, the following precise definition of a hadith is given,

    According to Muhaddithiin [scholars of hadith -ed.] it stands for ‘what was transmitted on the authority of the Prophet, his deeds, sayings, tacit approval, or description of his sifaat (features) meaning his physical appearance. However, physical appearance of the Prophet is not included in the definition used by the jurists.’

    Thus hadith literature means the literature which consists of the narrations of the life of the Prophet and the things approved by him. However, the term was used sometimes in much broader sense to cover the narrations about the Companions [of the Prophet -ed.] and Successors [to the Companions -ed.] as well.

    The explosion of Islam in the 7th and 8th centuries confronted Islamic scholars with a daunting task: to preserve the knowledge of the Sunnah of the Prophet (saas). Hence the science of hadith evaluation was born. We recommend that you read the “Introduction to the Science of Hadith” below to understand the tremendous efforts that were required to sift the true reports from the false reports. The success of the early scholars is also captured below by some collections of hadith.

    Comment by koul Anil — August 27, 2008 @ 4:53 pm

  469. Anil Koul

    come out of the cocoon of these faithfreedom and other anti muslim websites. I have not quoted a single anti Hindu Website and you havent quoted a single pro muslim website in your support.
    FIrst you lied that Koran says that Camel urine is a medicine and muslims should drink it , and now you backtracked .. I guess nature repeats itself , first you allege thej yo go away from truth

    No when you have got a reasonm for your earlier question you have jumped to another question of Muta ( Temporary marriage)
    You need to have knowledge of islam thread bare to understand this concept.
    It would be futile to give logic to you on this because you seem to have a very feeble patience to hear and absorb the truth.
    How many people indulge into adultery when they are away from their homes …i am sure a very good number. Let you know the basic tenets of islam first then you can drill down to more intrictae issues .

    anil Koul you allege a lot of things liek you have said about he madrassas, WHat about the purohits in the temples of Gujrat who had sex with women under the garb of given them a child a dibine command.
    Refrain from pointing fingers without reason , if you really want to underatnd Islam read its scriptures , authentic scriptures not the concocted ones.
    Listen to Muslim scholars like Zaki Bakri, Zakir Naik, Kalbe Sadiq, etc.

    Comment by innocuous tyro — August 27, 2008 @ 4:55 pm

  470. AS unnicuos &like talk about killing of 2,00,000 muslim in valley where the hell you ppl are bringing this NO’S. AS per your knoledge there is UNITED NATION office there in the valley. If this would have happened then there HUE & CRY across WORLD.Didn’t you people went to U N office with AZADI slogans few day’s ago huh!THE ppl who killed were hard core terorist & there supporters.

    As you said abt cast system in HINDUISM & we are ashamed of it & we all came out of it, but we never killed our fellow religion LIKE YOU MOSLEMS DO, like killng SHIAS BY SUNNIS, SUNNIS BY SHIAS,& & KILLING ALL MINORITIES MOSLEMS LIKE TURKISH, ALGERIAN, KURDISH,VOHRAS, TABLIGI,DEOBANDI,& EVEN KASHMIRI WHO BELIVE IN WORSHIPING TUMB.& you ppl call HINDUS AS BARBARIANS.
    For your knowledge barbarian word came from BLOOD THIRSTY,WAR MONGOR FANATICS LIKE BABAR,GHORI,AURANGZAB LIST IS UNLIMITED.

    SO now what is solution, just get out of HINDUSTAN BEFORE WE TAKE ANY DIRE CONSEQUECES & OUR HINDU BACKLASH.

    QUOTE:::ALL MOSLIMS WERE, ARE, & WILL SUPPORT TERORISM.

    IS DESH MAIN SIRF VANDE MATRAM BOLNA PADEGA.

    Comment by vid123 — August 27, 2008 @ 4:56 pm

  471. @I have not quoted a single anti Hindu Website

    I would appericiate if you quote few I wanted to see bad site of it , I mean it ….

    Peace

    Comment by Vicky — August 27, 2008 @ 4:57 pm

  472. Voice of jammu

    you have kept a perfect screen name as it reflects the actual meaning of the way you write .
    All along th etime i have been in this forum i have never used a single abusive word aginst any of your faith or aginst your sisters or mothers but you have shown your real self by only saying abusive indecent language.
    I am sure this is the real voice of Jammu , abusive , illogical , anti Kashmir , aanti Muslim.
    You seem to have been brought up in filth that is why you talk filth.

    As far as the militant at Batalab , i have written earlier i would prefer him to be killed because he has kept chldren hostage and that is unislamic and maligning the struggle.

    If you have to have a war of words use logical words dont say “gaaliyan” because that maligns the whole of Jammu and Hindus. Learn VOJ.
    I am happy some peole here call you the Rapid Action FOrce ( RAF) because they are exactly like you , abusive, rogue, illogical and senseless.

    Thanks

    Comment by innocuous tyro — August 27, 2008 @ 5:00 pm

  473. VID123 U CAN SHOW THE PATH OF LIGHT BUT THEY HAVE TO WALK THEMSELVES….
    WE HAVE TAKEN HORSE TO THE WATER BUT HE DOES NOT WANT IT…
    THIS KASHMIRI APPLIES TO KASHMIRI MUSLIMS “KHAN SAB GUR NE KHAVEN ZAB… CHUNUS TRETH YELLI NE PILES THELI KHAYI RUB”

    HAPPY READING AND ENJOY……
    NEED TO SLEEP NOW……
    ANIL… WILL CATCH IT UP TOMORROW… LET THEM SLEEP TOO AND DREAM ABOUT THE SATANIC VERSES…..
    ANIL

    Comment by koul Anil — August 27, 2008 @ 5:04 pm

  474. @innocuous tyro

    You are my God’s creation so I respect you as HUMAN.

    But one should pay for his sins/evils here, you guys were part of the the sins according to me so you are paying for it .

    I don’t know how long you will have to suffer but you were the ones who initiated it .
    “aanum soy voyam soa lagem soa panas”

    because of you we all are suffering …..
    I have so much of hatred against you which is natural but …. you are my GOD’s creation ……

    Give me the link of Quran which you follow …..

    “toa lagwoo sayan aah”

    Comment by Vicky — August 27, 2008 @ 5:11 pm

  475. Anil Koul

    Butta ath ha wanaan
    “pileim nai tay tshekee gaem”

    Dapaan ha chi kashir paeth
    “Phale kul chu Nameth”
    magar
    chi ha chukh ” Lori rostuy Dastaar”