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‘Panun Kashmir’ Homeland – Better Sooner to save India !

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1. >>Logistically and demographically, this area is most suitable for conversion into the >>Homeland with a Union Territory status.

   sounds good but I am not sure if INDIAN Govt has balls to take such decision, even the BJP govt .

   Peace

   Vicky

   September 21, 2008 at 5:31 pm
2. Pls check the comment by a true indian,

   source
   http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/opinions/msid-3507711,curpg-2.cms

   Aslam Sher, Kerala, says: The Muslims of this country are living a peaceful life and they enjoy their fundamental rights as much as like people of any other religion. The security sense of the Muslims in India is far better than those who live in Pakistan, Bangla Desh or Iraq. At least a dozen of our top most film stars are Muslims. Till recently the President of our country was a Muslim. Even now the vice president is a Muslim. There are many Muslims in the top most list of wealthy people, scholars and industrialists. Pointing out some random excesses of the Police in some extreme cases, you are generalizing the approach of the whole administration towards an entire community. The common man who reads write up like yours can be easily misguided. You are comparing conviction percentage between the planned crime perpetrated by the underworld gang with the help of foreign agencies, with that of a mob riot in which people from both religions were killed and injured.In the former case the investigating authorities were able to nag the culprits and produce them before the court with clinching evidence and hence the conviction. In the later case you can’t run about searching for witnesses and other evidence against thousands of rioters. Such being the case a Muslim layman reading your write up will certainly feel severe sense of discrimination. Further you talk about Sabana Azmi and Javed Akthar.. Who are they?? How did they become celebrities?? The entire population of this country irrespective of their religion have patronized their work and they have benefited out of it.So if a house owner has made a wrong statement is it right give it wide publicity? Then we have to question the intention behind making such public noise. Why don’t you highlight the constitutional advantages being enjoyed by the Muslim Community under the minority status? You talk about the percentage of jail inmates. Why don’t you advocate trial of criminals under Shari_at if the accused person is a Muslim? There everyone wants to enjoy the escape route available in the Indian Penal Code and the Evidence Acts. But for personal civil law the Muslims retain the Shari_at and can marry four times and produce as many children and don’t bother about their education and upbringing, allow them to grow up in ghettos which are nurseries for anti social elements. Then you cry loud about low percentage of employment and high percentage of jail inmates. What an irony dear Mohammed come forward….Educate the masses to live in harmony and mutual trust……This is the country of all religions. But shed the double face and adapt everything equally and with honesty.
   [21 Sep, 2008 2219hrs IST]

   venkat

   venkat

   September 22, 2008 at 7:52 am
3. Dear PK brother,

   One thing i am surprised to see in the Panun kashmir homeland Map that is how can you forget the Sharda peeth in POK that should also be included in map.

   I request you all to modify the map it is very important.

   Their is a vailid reason for which you will see our movement turned into mass agitation.

   Wake up guys show action……………….

   Time has come to fight with devils and protesting on jantar mantar will not do much awearness within us and stood on stand with the support of locals.

   Regards

   KP

   kashmirihindu

   September 22, 2008 at 10:29 am
4. see my new post in

   http://www.kashmirihindu.wordpress.com

   KP

   kashmirihindu

   September 22, 2008 at 10:31 am
5. I hope Punan Kashmir has learned a lesson or two from Amarnath agitation. In order for them to be successful, they will have to

   a) be ready to give ‘bali’. This is very critical point.

   b) the agitation has to be continous

   c) make an impact in other states as well (they may utilize RSS network for this purpose)

   d) make local and national leaders as well as Head of Armed forces hear them out. It’s very mandatory that they take their request to the Head of Armed force as well. This is to make the govt think (seriously) that the citizens are losing patience with the govt machinery and are seeking active help from Armed forces to help them.

   Mahendra

   September 22, 2008 at 12:13 pm
6. BTW… ‘Daya Ki DEvi’ and gang is opening srinagar-Muzaffarabad trade route for Jihadis !

   for link, click my name

   PM

   September 22, 2008 at 12:15 pm
7. By Alistair Lamb

   THE INDIAN CLAIM TO JAMMU AND KASHMIR – A REAPPRAISAL:

   The formal overt Indian intervention in the internal affairs of the State of Jammu and Kashmir began on about 9.00 a.m. on 27 October 1947, when Indian troops started landing at Srinagar airfield. India has officially dated the commencement of its claim that the State was part of Indian sovereign territory to a few hours earlier, at some point in the afternoon or evening of 26 October. From their arrival on 27 October 1947 to the present day, Indian troops have continued to occupy a large proportion of the State of Jammu and Kashmir despite the increasingly manifest opposition of a majority of the population to their presence. To critics of India’s position and actions in the State of Jammu and Kashmir the Government of New Delhi has consistently declared that the State of Jammu and Kashmir lies entirely within the sphere of internal Indian policy. Do the facts support the Indian contention in this respect?

   The State of Jammu and Kashmir was a Princely State within the British Indian Empire. By the rules of the British transfer of power in Indian subcontinent in 1947 the Ruler of the State, Maharajah Sir Hari Singh, with the departure of the British and the lapsing of Paramountcy (as the relationship between State and British Crown was termed), could opt to join either India or Pakistan or, by doing nothing, become from 15 August 1947 the Ruler of an independent polity. The choice was the Ruler’s and his alone: there was no provision for popular consultation in the Indian Princely States during the final days of the British Raj. On 15th August 1947, by default, the State of Jammu and Kashmir became independent.

   India maintains that this period of independence, the existence of which it has never challenged effectively, came to an end on 26/27 October as the result of two pairs of closely related transactions, which we must now examine. They are:

   (a) an Instrument of Accession of Jammu and Kashmir to India which the Maharajah is alleged to have signed on 26 October 1947, and;

   (b) the acceptance of this Instrument by the Governor-General of India, Lord Mountbatten, on 27 October 1947; plus

   (c) a letter from the Maharajah to Lord Mountbatten, dated 26 October 1947, in which Indian military aid is sought in return for accession to India (on terms stated in an allegedly enclosed Instrument) and the appointment of Sheikh Abdullah to head an Interim Government of the State; and

   (d) a letter from Lord Mountbatten to the Maharajah, dated 27 October 1947, acknowledging the above and noting that, once the affairs of the State have been settled and law and order is restored, “the question of the State’s accession should be settled by a reference to the people.”

   In both pairs of documents it will be noted that the date of the communication from the Maharajah, be it the alleged Instrument of Accession or the letter to Lord Mountbatten, is given as 26 October 1947, that is to say before the Indian troops actually began overtly to intervene in the State’s affairs on the morning of 27 October 1947. It has been said that Lord Mountbatten insisted on the Maharajah’s signature as a precondition for his approval of Indian intervention in the affairs of what would otherwise be an independent State.

   The date, 26 October 1947, has hitherto been accepted as true by virtually all observers, be they sympathetic or hostile to the Indian case. It is to be found in an official communication by Lord Mountbatten, as Governor General of Pakistan, on 1 November 1947; and it is repeated in the White paper on Jammu and Kashmir which the Government of India laid before the Indian Parliament in March 1948. Pakistani diplomats have never challenged it. Recent research, however, has demonstrated beyond a shadow of a doubt that the date is false. This fact emerges from the archives, and it is also quite clear from such sources as the memoirs of the Prime Minister of Jammu and Kashmir at the time, Mehr Chand Mahajan, and the recently published correspondence of Jawaharlal Nehru, the Indian Prime Minister. Circumstantial accounts of the events of 26 October 1947, notably that of V.P Menon (in his The Integration of the Indian States, London 1965), who said he was actually present when the Maharajah signed, are simply not true.

   It is now absolutely clear that the two documents (a) the Instrument of Accession, and (c) the letter to Lord Mountbatten, could not possibly have been signed by the Maharajah of Jammu and Kashmir on 26 October 1947. The earliest possible time and date for their signature would have to be the afternoon of 27 October 1947. During 26 October 1947 the Maharajah of Jammu and Kashmir was travelling by road from Srinagar to Jammu. His Prime Minister, M.C. Mahajan, who was negotiating with the Government of India, and the senior Indian official concerned in State matters, V.P. Menon, were still in New Delhi where they remained overnight, and where their presence was noted by many observers. There was no communication of any sort between New Delhi and the traveling Maharajah. Menon and Mahajan set out by air from New Delhi to Jammu at about 10.00 a.m. on 27 October, and the Maharajah learned from them for the first time the result of his Prime Minister’s negotiations in New Delhi in the early afternoon of that day.

   The key point, of course, a has already been noted above, is that it is now obvious that these documents could only have been signed after the overt Indian intervention in the State of Jammu and Kashmir. When the Indian troops arrived at Srinagar air field, that State was still independent. Any agreements favourable to India signed after such intervention cannot escape the charge of having been produced under duress. It was, one presumes, to escape just such a charge that the false date 26 October 1947 was assigned to these two documents. The deliberately distorted account of that very senior Indian official, V.P. Menon, to which reference has already been made, was no doubt executed for the same end. Falsification of such a fundamental element as date of signature, however, once established, can only cast grave doubt over the validity of the document as a whole .

   An examination of the transactions behind these four documents in the light of the new evidence produces a number of other serious doubts. It is clear, for example, that in the case of (c) and (d), the exchange of letters between the Maharajah and Lord Mountbatten, Lord Mountbatten’s reply must antedate the letter to which it is an answer unless, as seems more than probable, both were drafted by the Government of India before being taken up to Jammu on 27 October 1947 (by V.P. Menon and Jammu and Kashmir Prime Minister M.C. Mahajan, whose movements, incidentally, are correctly reported in the London Times of 28 October 1947) after the arrival of the Indian troops at Srinagar airfield. The case is very strong, therefore, that document (c), the Maharajah’s letter to Lord Mountbatten, was dictated to the Maharajah.

   Documents (c) and (d) were published by the Government of India on 28 October 1947. The far more important document (a), the alleged Instrument of Accession, was not published until many years later, if at all. It was not communicated to Pakistan at the outset of the overt Indian intervention in the State of Jammu and Kashmir, nor was it presented in facsimile to the United Nations in early 1948 as part of the initial Indian reference to the Security Council. The 1948 White Paper in which the Government of India set out its formal case in respect to the State of Jammu and Kashmir, does not contain the Instrument of Accession as claimed to have been signed by the Maharajah: instead, it reproduces an unsigned from of Accession such as, it is imposed, the Maharajah might have signed. To date no satisfactory original of this Instrument as signed by the Maharajah ever did sign an Instrument of Accession. There are, indeed, grounds for suspecting that he did no such thing. The Instrument of Accession referred to in document (c); a letter which as we have seen was probably drafted by Indian officials prior to being shown to the Maharajah, may never have existed, and can hardly have existed when the letter was being prepared.

   Even if there had been an Instrument of Accession, then if it followed the form indicated in the unsigned example of such an Instrument published in the Indian 1948 White Paper it would have been extremely restrictive in the rights conferred upon the Government of India. All that were in fact transferred from the State to the Government of India by such an Instrument were the powers over Defence, Foreign Relations and certain aspects of Communications. Virtually all else was left with the State Government. Thanks to Article 370 of the Indian Constitution of January 1950 (which, unlike much else relating to the former Princely States, has survived to some significant degree in current Indian constitution theory, if not in practice), the State of Jammu and Kashmir was accorded a degree of autonomy which does not sit at all comfortably with the current authoritarian Indian administration of those parts of the State which it holds.

   Not only would such an Instrument have been restrictive, but also by virtue of the provisions, of (d), Lord Mountbatten’s letter to the Maharajah dated 27 October 1947, it would have been conditional. Lord Mountbatten, as Governor-General of India, made it clear that the State of Jammu and Kashmir would only be incorporated permanently within the Indian fold after approval as a result of some form of reference to the people, a procedure which soon (with United Nations participation) became defined as a fair and free plebiscite . India has never permitted such a reference to the people to be made.

   Why would the Maharajah of Jammu and Kashmir not have signed an Instrument of Accession? The answer lies in the complex course of events of August, September and October 1947 emerged. The Maharajah, confronted with growing internal disorder (including a full scale rebellion in the Poonch region of the State), sought Indian military help without, it at all possible, surrendering his own independence. The Government of India delayed assisting him in the hope that in despair he would accede to India before any Indian actions had to be taken. In the event, India had to move first. Having secured what he wanted, Indian military assistance, the Maharajah would naturally have wished to avoid paying the price of the surrender of his independence by signing any instrument which he could possibly avoid signing. From the Afternoon of 27 October 1947 onwards a smoke screen conceals both the details and the immediate outcome of this struggle of wills between the Government of India and the Maharajah of Jammu and Kashmir. To judge from the 1948 White Paper an Instrument of accession may not have been signed by March 1948, by which time the Indian case for sovereignty over Jammu and Kashmir was already being argued before the United Nations.

   The patently false dates of documents (a) and (c) alter fundamentally the nature of the overt Indian intervention in Jammu and Kashmir on 27 October 1947. India was not defending its own but intervening in a foreign State. There can be no reasonable doubt that had Pakistan been aware of this falsification of the record it would have argued very differently in international for from the outset of the dispute; and had the United Nations understood the true chronology it would have listened with for less sympathy to arguments presented to it by successive Indian representatives. Given the facts as they are now known, it may well be that an impartial international tribunal would decided that India had no right at all to be in the State of Jammu and Kashmir.

   The Indian Claim to Jammu and Kashmir – Conditional Accession, Plebiscites and the Reference to the United Nations:

   While the date, and perhaps even the fact, of the accession to India of the State of Jammu and Kashmir in late October 1947 can be questioned, there is no dispute that at that time any such accession was presented to the world large as conditional and provisional. In his letter to the Maharajah of Jammu and Kashmir, bearing the date 27 October 1947, the Governor General of India, Lord Mountbatten, declared that:

   “Consistently with that in the case of any State where the issue of accession has been the subject of dispute, the question of accession should be decided in accordance to the wishes of the people of the State, it is my Government’s wish that as soon as law and order have been restored in Kashmir and her soil cleared of the invaders the question of the State’s accession should be settled by a reference to the people.”

   The substance of this was communicated by Jawaharlal Nehru to Liaquat Ali Khan in a telegram of 28 October 1947 in which Nehru indicated that this was a policy with which he agreed. The point is clear enough. A reference to the people would be entirely futile unless it contained the potential of reversing the process of accession. If the people opted for Pakistan, or indeed, for continued independence, then any documents relating to accession which the Maharajah may have signed would be null and void. Such documents would perforce be provisional, in that they could confer rights only until the reference to the people took place; and they were conditional in that they could not continue in force indefinitely unless ratified by popular vote. This point is as valid today as it was in late October 1947.

   Indian apologists have since endeavored to argue that the plebiscite proposal was personal to Mountbatten (which we can see it was not) and that it was in a real sense ex-gratia and in no way binding on subsequent Indian administrations. The fact of the matter, however, was that the plebiscite policy had been established long before the Kashmir crisis erupted in October 1947. It was an inherent part of the process by which the British Indian Empire was partitioned between the two successor Dominions of India and Pakistan. Plebiscites (or referenda-the terms tended to be used at this time as if they meant the same thing) had been held on the eve of the Transfer of Power in August 1947 in two areas. In the North West Frontier Province, which possessed a Congress Government despite a virtually total Muslim population, and in Sylhet, a Muslim majority district of the non-Muslim majority Province of Assam, there had been plebiscites where the people were given the choice of joining India or Pakistan. In both cases the vote was in favour of Pakistan. The Sylhet Plebiscite is of particular significance in that it gave a Muslim majority district of a State with an overall non-Muslim majority the opportunity to join its Muslim majority neighbour, Bengal.

   The value of the plebiscitary process continued to be appreciated in India after the British Indian Empire had come to an end. In September 1947 the Government of India advocated, as a matter of policy, the holding of a plebiscite in the Princely State of Junagadh. Junagadh was in many respects the mirror image of Kashmir. Here a Muslim Ruler, the Nawab, had formally acceded to Pakistan on 15 August 1947 despite the fact that the overwhelming majority of his subjects were Hindus. The Government of India were united in opposing this action. However, as Jawaharlal Nehru put it on 30 September 1947 :

   “We are entirely opposed to war and wish to avoid it. We want an amicable settlement of this issue and we propose therefore, that wherever there is a dispute in regard to any territory, the matter should be decided by a referendum or plebiscite of the people concerned. We shall accept the result of this referendum whatever it may be as it is our desire that a decision should be made in accordance with the wishes of the people concerned. We invite the Pakistan Government, therefore, to submit the Junagadh issue to a referendum of the people under impartial auspices.”

   In Indian eyes, in other words, Junagadh’s accession to Pakistan, if it had any validity at all could only be provisional and conditional upon the outcome of a plebiscite of referendum. India, moreover, considered that the need for such a reference to the people was specifically determined by the fact that a majority of the State’s population followed a different religion to that of the Ruler. A plebiscite in Junagadh was duly held in February 1948, when the vote was for union with India. In Indian official thinking, it is clear, there was no question of a plebiscite in any State where both Ruler and people were non-Muslims.

   Thus when the Kashmir crisis broke out in October 1947 the plebiscite was already established as the official Indian solution to this order of problem. On 25 October 1947, before the Kashmir crisis had fully developed and before Indian claims based on the Maharajah’s accession to India had been voiced, Nehru in a telegram to Attlee, the British Prime Minister, declared that:

   “I should like to make it clear that [the] question of aiding Kashmir…..is not designed in any way to influence the State to accede to India. Our view, which we have repeatedly made public, is that [the] question of accession in any disputed territory must be decided in accordance with the wishes of the people, and we adhere to this view.”

   On 28 October 1947 the Governor General of Pakistan M.A. Jinnah, also agreed that the answer to Kashmir lay in a plebiscite, thus confirming the official Pakistan policy on this subject. From this moment the basic disagreement between the two Dominions, at least on paper, lay in the modalities for holding a plebiscite and what was understood by “impartial auspices”.

   The concept of impartial supervision of the determination of sovereignty had been present from the outset of the run up to the partition of the Punjab and Bengal in early June 1947. A number of possibilities had been considered at this period, including the request for the services of the United Nations (which had then been rejected on technical grounds arising in the main from the short span of time allowed for the partition process to be implemented). In connection with the Junagadh question, on 30 September 1947 Nehru made it clear that if the United Nations were to be involved (as a result, perhaps, of a reference to that body by Pakistan), and the United Nations issued directions, India would “naturally abide by those directions”.

   Between 28 October and 22 December 1947 there took place a series of Indo-Pakistan discussions over the Kashmir question, some with the leaders of the two sides meeting face to face, some through subordinate officials and some through British intermediaries acting either officially or unofficially. While frequently acrimonious, the general tenor of the negotiations was that some kind of plebiscite should be held in Jammu and Kashmir. At a meeting on 8 November 1947 between two very senior officials, V.P Menon for India and Chaudhri Muhammad Ali for Pakistan, a detailed scheme for holding a plebiscite in Jammu and Kashmir was worked out, with the apparent blessing of the Indian Deputy Prime Minister, Vallabhbhai Patel, in which the following principle was laid down : that neither Government [of India or Pakistan] would accept the accession of a State whose rule was of a different religion to the majority of his subjects without resorting to a plebiscite.

   The 8 November scheme aborted; but the underlying principles remained on the agenda. There were two major questions. First : how and in what way should the State be restored to a condition of tranquility such as would permit the holding of any kind of free and fair plebiscite. Second: who should supervise the plebiscite when it finally came to he held. On both question, after exploring a number of devices including the employment of British officers to hold the ring while the votes were being cast, the consensus in the Governments of both India and Pakistan by 22 December 1947 was that the services of the United Nations, either through the Secretary General or the Security Council, offered the best prospect for success, though Nehru continued to express in public his reservations about “foreign” intervention.

   At this point Lord Mountbatten, the Governor General of India, explained to Liaquat Ali Khan, the Prime Minister of Pakistan, that the best way to get Nehru to decide finally in favour of reference to the United Nations was to permit India to take the first step, even if in the process Pakistan would have to submit to some measure of Indian “indictment” to which Pakistan would have every opportunity to make rebuttal at the United Nations. Liaquat Ali Khan, so the records make clear, accepted this proposal. On this basis, on 1 January 1948, India brought Security Council of the United Nations.

   The Presentation of the Indian case, the Pakistani reply, and the series of debates which followed over the years, have all tended to obscure the original terms of that Indian reference. This was made under Article 35 of the Charter of the United Nations in which the mediation of the Security Council was expressly sough in a matter which otherwise threatened to disturb the course of international relations. The issue was an Indian request for United Nations mediation in a dispute which had transcended the diplomatic resources of the two parties directly involved, India and Pakistan, and not, as it is frequently represented, an Indian demand for United Nations condemnation of Pakistan’s “aggression”. This point, despite much Indian and Pakistan rhetoric, can be determined easily enough by relating the contents of the reference to the specifications of Article 35 of the United Nations Charter. The United Nations was asked to devise a formula whereby peace could be restored in the State of Jammu and Kashmir so that a fair and free plebiscite could be held to determine that State’s future. The matter of the Maharajah of Kashmir’s accession to India was not in this context of the slightest relevance.

   The Security Council of the United Nations responded to this request by devising a number of schemes for the restoration of law and order and the holding a plebiscite. These were duly set out in United Nations Resolutions which, though never implemented, still remain the collective expression of the voice of the international community as to how the Kashmir question ought to be settled. The conditions set out by the Security Council of the United Nations have not been met in any way by the subsequent internal political processes (including a variety of elections) in the State of Jammu and Kashmir and in any of its constituent parts.

   The situation in the State of Jammu and Kashmir remains unresolved, and it remains a matter of international interest. Given the background to and terms of the original Indian reference to the Security Council it cannot possibly be said that, today, Jammu and Kashmir (or those parts of it currently under Indian occupation) is a matter of purely internal Indian concern. The United Nations retains that status in this matter, which it was granted by the original Indian reference, and the Security Council still has the duty to endeavor to implement its Resolutions.

   factsnfigures

   September 22, 2008 at 2:40 pm
8. Facts and figures,

   Now the scenirio has as pakistan has not helped at that time to go for pelbisite as gilgit and sakrud and other valley is mostly domenated with Shia with 80% of the population and wish was to be with india and that is why pakistan was in a fear that they will vote with india also there was other princley state how can we forget balauchstan we was at the time of partition intended the wish to be with india.Ofcourse kashmir might have voted for pakistan but Question come how to demark the lines Either kashmir muslims might have to leave the valley and shifted permanatly to gilgit or other areas and those peoples who has voted the shia would have shifted to valley.

   So the thing is that you KM should have respect for Nehru who have saved your lives and bow to him as because article 370 you are safe and even you don’t shame on your act in agitation.

   Kick those muggins who has spoiled the hindu -muslim unity.

   KP

   kashmirihindu

   September 22, 2008 at 4:10 pm
9. hindu muslim unity is a sham …

   chandra

   September 22, 2008 at 4:49 pm
10. they are all terrorists in the making …

    there is no “soft” side of islam … even if there is … it is brutally squashed … how can they allow it … after all prophet mohammed was a terrorist himself … a petty looter hooligan as well …. who wrote the terrorism manual quran ….

    Hindus need to wake up … they are peace loving people but peace comes at a price …

    keep up the vigil …. letting down the guard may prove to be fatal …

    today only a sachar commitee member …. a moslem …. gave a hidden warning to the nation … on CNN IBN ….

    “THERE HAVE BEEN MANY EXAMPLES IN THE WORLD … IRELAND … SRI LANKA … DO YOU WANT INDIA TO BECOME THAT …. ”

    its basically a warning of a civil war by moslems …. when our last president was a moslem and vice president right now is also a moslem …

    i have no doubt that this can be very true … but it will get worse if we show to them that we may succumb to such acts …

    LIVING EXAMPLE IS ISRAEL …

    NO MATTER WHAT THEY THROUGH AT IT … THEY STAND TALL AND HIT BACK …

    I THINK SRI LANKA HAS DONE A GOOD JOB AS WELL OF NOT GIVING IN … I AM NOT A SUPPORTER OF TERRORISM .. FOR ANY CAUSE …. FOR ANY REASON …

    DO NOT TRUST THEM FOR A MINUTE … YOU WILL BE SORRY LATER …

    moslems talk of “VICTIMIZATION” … and all … and then they go back to “MADRASSAS” AND TALK PRAISES ON OSAMA BIN LADEN …

    this is what SIMI SAYS IN ITS IDEOLOGY ….

    “According to the SIMI, Al Qaeda chief Osama bin Laden is an outstanding example of a true Mujahid, who has undertaken Jihad on behalf of the ‘ummah’.

    SIMI’s interpretation of Islam is influenced to a great extent by the writings of Syed Abul A’ala Maududi, founder of the Jamaat-e Islami.

    SIMI maintains that the concepts of secularism, democracy and nationalism, keystones of the Indian Constitution, are antithetical to Islam.

    Any person who follows this ideology is actually not just ANTI INDIA BUT IS ALSO ANTI HUMANITY …

    AND FACT IS THOUSANDS OF MOSLEMS ARE SIMI PEOPLE IN INDIA ….

    this is just one small example …. there are innumerable others …

    CHOICE IS YOURS … DECIDE ON HINDU MUSLIM UNITY …

    chandra

    September 22, 2008 at 5:15 pm
11. And this is what the RSS stands for …

    Although this is from WIKIPEDIA … AND THUS CANNOT BE FULLPROOF …. BUT I THINK THIS IS THE TRUTH …

    The primarily goal of RSS is the “revival of national consciousness” or “national renaissance” because it feels that centuries of foreign rule has led to self-oblivion overtaking the society. RSS believes in a “burning devotion to the Motherland (India), a feeling of fraternity among all citizens, intense awareness of a common national life derived from a common culture and shared history and heritage”, as well as to “activise the dormant Hindu society (of India), realise its past mistakes, to instill in it a firm determination to set them right, and finally to make it bestir itself to reassert its honour and self-respect”.[13] RSS claims that its core ideology is based on Integral humanism and Cultural Nationalism.

    [edit] Other religions

    The Sangh has declared publicly that its Hindutva philosophy states that Hindutva supports the philosophy Ekam Sat Viprah Bahudha Vadanti Vasudhaiva Kutumbakam (translated to Truth is One, Sages Call it by Many Names. The Whole Universe is one Family).[14] However, it feels this society has been threatened by repeated persecution of Hindus, especially by Muslim fundamentalists.

    The RSS entirely agrees with Gandhiji’s formulations that “There is in Hinduism room enough for Jesus, as there is for Mohammed, Zoroster and Moses” and that “majority of the Muslims of India are converts to that faith from Hinduism through force of circumstances.”

    With regards to claims of having an anti-Muslim stance, RSS spokesperson Ram Madhav has stated that such claims are a “distortion of RSS ideology”. He asserts that the RSS “believes in the oneness of our culture and the country”, and that “any opposition to this view could lead to disintegration as it in fact happened with the Partition. This accent against divisiveness should therefore not be seen as hatred towards any particular religion.[15].

    The RSS denies that they are intolerant of any other religion, citing examples of RSS-dominated communities in India that have lived in relative peace with adherents of other religions.

    THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN HINDU IDEOLOGY AND MOSLEM IDEOLOGY CANNOT BE MORE STARK …

    chandra

    September 22, 2008 at 5:20 pm
12. Yes I agree we need to be vigilant, SIMI is all around and we should not ignore SIMI’s threat.
    Imagine a single nuclear weapon in SIMI’s hand, they can destroy entire INDIA.
    So people of India have to understand and contribute from there side till we get good governance.

    There are few patriotic MUSLIMS in country, they are suffering because of ISLAM.

    Peace

    Vicky

    September 22, 2008 at 5:34 pm
13. Congratulations to all. The Naive Government of India has again bowed down to the sinister demands of the seperatist leaders and other political parties in Kashmir. The Srinagar-Muzzaffarabad and Poonch-Rawalkot roads will be opened for trade.

    Now terrorists along with their arms and ammunitions will legally enter India. Now there will be more anti-India demonstrations by the people in Kashmir. India has again demonstrated to the world how soft and vulnerable it is. Now the seperatists will feel more strong and will raise their voice against India even louder. Thanks to our Government. Long live the Indian Democracy…

    The sacrifices made by the soldiers by laying down their lives while defending our borders will now go down the drain. My heart is crying and I feel helpless.

    The policy of appeasement at its best.

    Rohit

    September 23, 2008 at 5:49 am
14. factsnfigures,

    who is “alistair lamb”? he is also some ignorant “white” who thinks india is killing its own people in kashmir, who is “lord ass” mount batten? he is from the same breed and bigot of the small british sea pirates who landed in the indian continent looking for easy loot and scoot. the so called kings and queens of british pirate kingdoms are nothing but lords of the dacoits, hwo bled india and squeezed india out of its riches. even now what they claim, that indian princely states have gifted them the riches is a utter lie, they looted it. why do you pathetic guy aka “factsnfigures” look indian history from a white mans eyes. when indian tribals resisted british looters they were called as barbarians, do you know robin hood? what is he?, do you know british history, pls go through it then you will understand the barbarism.

    so who is “lord ass mountbatten” to write a letter and say reference by the people of kashmir, a reference by the people of kashmir should be when the hindus are restored to thier original status, means properties, orchards, compensation with double voting status for the families killed by your terrorists brothers and send back all the people who have migarated from pakistan and settled in j&k.

    “kashmir did not become a part of india after the british dacoits left, pakistan and kashmir was and is a part of india when this continent was born, just that pakistan & bangladesh came out of us because of cynics like you”

    “factsnfigures” just dont copy and paste,pls read it before doing it.

    first learn what is human, then look for its rights.

    venkat

    venkat

    September 23, 2008 at 7:47 am
15. READ “NEGATENISOM IN INDIA, CONCELING RECORDS OF ISLAM, BY KOENARD ELST

    & TOTAL INDIAN HISTORY ABT MOSLIMS IN HINDUSTAN

    vid123

    September 23, 2008 at 8:01 am
16. AYESHA AHMAD said, on September 1st, 2008 at 4:17 pm
    Muslims you call ur self people who fo;;ow ISLAM read below is this what u will die for and why?

    B- AFTER APOSTATES ARE WIPED OUT,THEN GET RID OF ROTTEN APPLES ,THAT IS, NON TERRORIST TYPES (NON_PRACTISING SO CALLED MODERATE MUSLIMS)

    Muslims have to realize that half a Muslim is worse than a kafir. Only a true Muslim can be a terrorist and can terrorize the world. The litmus test is the five times prayers in a mosque where they can be seen and counted. Our great apostle thought of an ingenious way to correct this situation. When he noticed some Muslims missing congregational prayers in mosque regularly, he wanted to set an example for others; he had the vermins burnt alive along with their houses and the families.

    “The Prophet said, “burn all those who had not left their houses for the prayer, burning them alive inside their homes.” Bukhari: 1.11.626

    Following this famous hadith and sunna , practising Muslims and salafi followers of Abdul Wahab killed or maimed 400,000 wishy-washy Muslims of Arabia in 19th century. This terrorized the Muslims of the world and convinced them of the power of Islam and increased conversion to Islam many folds.

    C-EVEN OCCASIONAL MISSING OF PRAYERS MUST BE PUNISHED

    “I would order someone to collect firewood and another to lead prayer. Then I would burn the houses of men who did not present themselves at the compulsory prayer and prostration.” Bukhari: 1.11.617

    C- NOW ORDER THE REMANING MUSLIM TO PARTICIPATE IN TERRORISM , KILL WHOEVER REFUSES TO GO FORTH

    Fighting is a fard (obligatory) for all Muslims.

    Fighting is prescribed for you. Q.2.216

    Allah has also said:

    “If you march not forth, He will punish you with a painful torment and will replace you with another people, and you cannot harm Him at all, and Allah is able to do all things.” (Surah at Tauba: Verse 39).

    It is very clear from this aya that you have to carry Allah’s declaration to punish the jihad dodgers and eliminate them.

    2- – AFTER HOUSE CLEANING AND STRAIGHTENING THE MUSLIMS, START THE REAL TERRORISM BY CASTING TERROR IN THE HEARTS OF INFIDELS THROUGH INTIMIDATION

    “Take them captive, torture them”, Qur’an 9:5

    Terrorization softens hearts. A terrorized infidel accepts Islam easier. The whole world was terrorized by 9/11 when they saw kuffar burning and falling from buildings. Conversions to Al Islam increased many folds afterwards.

    FOLLOWING ARE THE ISLAMIC METHODS OF TORTURE AND TERRORIZATION PRACTISED BY OUR APOSTLE

    A-BURNING ALIVE KUFFARS IN PUBLIC

    Burning kuffars publicly is an extremely effective technique. It is said that the Belgian lady convert suicide bomber was influenced greatly by the power of Islam when she saw the Fellujah mujahids burning US civilians alive and hanging their charred remains on the bridge. Burning humans alive is also Allah’s favourite way of torture.

    Bukhari:V4B52N260 “Ali burnt some apostates publicly’

    Ishaq:316 “Following Badr, Muhammad sent a number of raiders with orders to capture some of the Meccans and burn them alive.”

    Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 52, Number 259:

    Allah’s Apostle sent us in a mission and said, “If you find so-and-so and so-and-so, burn both of them with fire”

    B- CUTTING HANDS AND FEETSAND ,BRANDING EYESWITH HOT IRON

    Bukhari Volume 1, Book 4, Number 234:

    Narrated Abu Qilaba: He then ordered to cut their hands and feet (and it was done), and their eyes were branded with heated pieces of iron, They were put in ‘Al-Harra’ and when they asked for water, no water was given to them.”

    C-SLOW BURNING BY KINDLING FIRE ON CHEST

    Tabari VIII:122/Ishaq:515 “The Prophet gave orders concerning Kinanah to Zubayr, saying, ‘Torture him until you root out and extract what he has. So Zubayr kindled a fire on Kinanah’s chest, twirling it with his firestick until Kinanah was near death. Then the Messenger gave him to Maslamah, who beheaded him.”

    D- SPLITTING THE BODY IN THE MIDDLE BY PULLING THE LEGS APART USING LARGE FORCE

    Tabari VIII:96 .” Zyad tied her legs with rope and then tied her between two camels until they split her in two. She was a very old woman”

    D-CUTTING TONGUE

    Ishaq:595 “The Apostle said, ‘Get him away from me and cut off his tongue.”

    E-PULLING TEETH

    Ishaq:312 “Umar said to the Apostle, ‘Let me pull out Suhayl’s two front teeth. That way his tongue will stick out “”

    3- NOW START ELIMINATION PROCESS BEGINNING WITH THE CRITICS OF AL- ISLAM AND APOSTLE

    You now have to send assassins to silence critics of Al Islam. Our prophet eliminated all his critics prior to general clean up operations.

    Tabari VII:99 “In this year, the killing of Abu Rafi the Jew took place.

    Kab Bin Ashraf
    Bukhari:V4B52N270 “Allah’s Messenger said, ‘Who is ready to kill Ashraf? He has said injurious things about Allah and His Apostle.’ Maslama got up saying, ‘Would you like me to kill him?’ The Prophet proclaimed, ‘Yes.’ Maslama said, ‘Then allow me to lie so that I will be able to deceive him.’ Muhammad said, ‘You may do so.’

    Tabari VII:101 “The Khazraj asked the Prophet for permission to kill Sallam Huqayq, who was in Khaybar. He granted this.”

    Ishaq:551 “Another victim was Huwayrith.. Huwayrith was put to death by Ali.

    Ishaq:551 The Messenger ordered Miqyas’ assassination”

    Tabari VIII:181 “The Messenger ordered six men and four women to be assassinated.

    Ishaq:550 “Muhammad ordered that certain men should be assassinated even if they were found behind the curtains of the Ka’aba.

    23 Years; A Study of the Prophetic Career of Mohammad”, by Ali Dashti, (page 100):

    Abu Afak, a man of great age (reputedly 120 years) was killed because he lampooned Mohammad. The deed was done by Salem b. ‘Omayr at the behest of the Prophet, who had asked, “Who will deal with this rascal

    Asma

    Sirat Rasul Allah, Ishaq, pages 675, 676.
    The apostle said, “Who will rid me of Marwan’s daughter?” `Umayr b. `Adiy al-Khatmi who was with him heard him, and that very night he went to her house and killed her. The day after Asma was killed the men of B. Khatma became Muslims because the

    vid123

    September 23, 2008 at 8:46 am
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    chandra

    September 23, 2008 at 8:53 am
18. oh and i forgot … moslems but still human beings … the moslem terrorists killed some 60 in blast in islampur marriot hotel … porkistan …

    good job … from the peace loving people of islam … is it not religion of terrorism … does koran not tell to kill in name of allah … to do jihad … ?

    MOSLEMS TERRORISTS REMEMBER …

    chandra

    September 23, 2008 at 4:55 pm
19. HELLO BROTHERS
    ASLAM WALAY KUM

    I FOUND THIS SITE AND THINK ALL THE KAFIRS ARE CREATING AND FABRICATING FACTS ABOUT OUR HOLY QURAN — PLEASE CONFIRM THAT THESE ARE FABRICATED AND NOT TRUE QUOTES FROM QURAN.

    http://www.godlessgeeks.com/LINKS/Quran.htm

    INSHAH ALLAH WE WILL SURELY PROVE THEM WRONG AND PUNISH ALL KAFIRS FOR SPREADING THE LIES ABOUT OUR HOLY QURAN AND PROPHET MUHAMMAD(PBUH).

    FARHAD

    FARHAD KHAN

    September 23, 2008 at 5:18 pm
20. The fact is you have accepted other religious community of the world are Kafirs……………

    Its shows the feeling in you have come because of the book……………………

    suggestion have guts to face critics…………

    kashmirihindu

    September 23, 2008 at 5:25 pm
21. Hello Brothers

    ASLAM WALAY KUM

    I FOUND THIS SITE AND VIDEOS LOOK HOW WRONGLY WE PEACE LOVING MUSLIMS ARE EXPLOITED BY SHOWING THESE VIDEOS CAN WE GET THESE SITES STOP SHOWING THESE VIDEOS. I THINK ALL THE KAFIRS ARE INVOLVED IN CREATING AND FABRICATING THESE AND TRYING TO BRING BAD NAME TO OUR PEACE LOVING RELIGION.

    http://www.yoism.org/?q=node/235

    INSHAH ALLAH WE WILL SURELY PROVE THEM WRONG AND PUNISH ALL KAFIRS FOR SPREADING THE LIES ABOUT OUR HOLY QURAN AND PROPHET MUHAMMAD(PBUH). WE ALL MUSLIMS NEED TO WORK TOGETHER AND PROVE KUFARS THAT THEY ARE WRONG AND ISLAM IS THE BEST.

    BROTHERS I AM HAVING HARD TIME TO FIND SITES THAT SHOW GOOD ABOUT ISLAM — ALL THE KUFARS HAVE BEEN ONLY TALKING BAD ABOUT ISLAM — PLEASE DIRECT ME TO SOME SITES THAT WE CAN TELL KUFARS HOW PEACEFUL ISLAM IS.

    FARHAD

    FARHAD KHAN

    September 23, 2008 at 5:45 pm
22. mr farhad… iunderstand ur emotions …

    but please tell me hw are peace and islam related..
    whereever in this world there are muslim …problmes are there …
    if we put all religions of this togethr they won’t be spreading as hatred and killing people as ur religion is doing rt now …. u have facts …calculate..

    so its very possible that everyone here is trying to see why muslims spread terror …thats why all this is happening ..

    islam and peace are two opposite poles of the earth …they can never co exits …mind this ..

    pamposh

    September 24, 2008 at 4:01 am
23. HELLO PAMPOSH…

    ASLAM WALAY KUM

    PLEASE DONT LISTEN TO THE SITES LIKE http://WWW.FAITHFREEDOM.ORG ALI SINA DESERVES DEATH AT BY OUR HANDS. WE WILL TEACH HIM HOW WRONG HE IS WHEN HE SAYS ISLAM TEACHES HATRED.

    PROBLEMS ARE NOT BECAUSE OF MUSLIMS IT IS PROBLEM WITH KUFUR THAT THEY DESERVE DEATH BY THE HANDS OF MUSLIMS….. ARE U NOT SATISFIED WITH THE DEATHS OUR MUSLIM JEHADIS GAVE TO U KUFUR IN KASHMIR AND ARE DOING ALL OVER THE WORLD…. IT IS TIME FOR ALL OF YOU TO CHANGE TO ISLAM THE PEACEFUL RELIGION — OR BE READY TO FACE WRATH OF ALLAH AND WE WILL KILL U ALL…. AND ISLAM WILL RULE THE WORLD..

    I AM NOT GREAT AT EXPLAINING HOLY QURAN BUT I AM SURE MANY OF MY MUSLIM BROTHERS WILL SHOW YOU HOW PEACEFUL OUR RELIGION IS…. ISLAM FOR YOUR INFORMATION MEANS PEACE ….

    FARHAD

    FARHAD KHAN

    September 24, 2008 at 4:19 am
24. Dear Farhad Khan

    Can you please define a Kafir for us.

    Rohit

    September 24, 2008 at 4:49 am
25. there u are…

    “IT IS TIME FOR ALL OF YOU TO CHANGE TO ISLAM THE PEACEFUL RELIGION — OR BE READY TO FACE WRATH OF ALLAH AND WE WILL KILL U ALL….”

    ok u want all of us to be muslims ..otherwise u will kill us…my god ..its too good that u preach and spread ur religion like this …ok now i understand how islam spread …i thought my frnds over here were wrong when they said that islam is spread on sword…but thanks for clearing it …

    killing and peace can never be together…

    look u are making world aware about ur religion

    and mind this we all respect humanity ..we are not like u people…

    pamposh

    September 24, 2008 at 5:10 am
26. AND YA I FORGOT

    WALLEY KUM ASSALAM

    pamposh

    September 24, 2008 at 5:11 am
27. where are ur muslims brothers …to prove that islm is peaceful religion.. ny site that can prove that islam is a religion of peace
    and one more thing… don’t kill ali sina ..he gave u an oppurtunity to become rich ..so prove him wrong …and get the money …its useless to kill him
    trust me …think beyond killings … u can enjoy all the comforts of life

    pamposh

    September 24, 2008 at 5:30 am
28. SALEY ‘FARHAD’

    YOU R NOT AWARE THAT WE SO CALLED KAFUR ( KAFIR) R NOW AWAKENED, & WILL MAKE SURE YOY & YOUR LIKE & DAMM ALLAH GO TO “DOZAK” (HELL),

    YOUR LANGUAGE IT SELF SUGEST WHAT TYPE OE “ISLAM” IS.,

    IT IS GOOD THAT “ALI SINA” “AYESHA AHMED” GIVES CLEAR PICTURE ABT “DREADED ISLAM”

    JAI HIND , HINDU PRAJA RAJYAM , VANDE MATRAM…..,

    vid123

    September 24, 2008 at 6:50 am
29. SALEY FARHAD,

    WE ALWAYS FIGHT OPENLLY WITH ENEMY LIKE YOU, & YOU PPL HIDE YOUR SELF BEHIND “KIDS & WOMEN” & THEN ATTACK ON UNWARE PPL,……………

    YOU HAV NO GUTS TO FIGHT OPENLLY, I WILL TELL YOU ONE INCIDENT IN “MUMBAI”,,,,,,,,,,

    WHEN DISPUTED STRUCTURE FELLED BY “HINDUS” OPENLLY IN SHRI AYODHYA, IN MUMBAI AT THE NIGHT TIME SO CALLED JEHADI KILLED 4 MATHADI KAMGAR IN SLEEP (THAT IS COWARD ACT BY SO CALLED “ISLAMIST”) & THEN RIOTS BROKE OUT IN WHOLE CITY, THOUGH MOSLIMS WERE ARMED WITH AK47,56,RDX,HAND GRENADES, & SO ON ,& OTHER SIDE HAD DAGGER, TALWAR,WOODEN STICKS SO ON & THOUGH AFTER HEAVY FIGHTIN AMONG THEM THERE WERE “WHITE FLAGS” WERE STARTED FURLING IN AIR FOR PEACE (HAY TAUBA),

    ABOVE INCIDENT REPETED HUNDREADS OF TIMES ACROSS HINDUSTAN..

    EVEN SO SMALL “ISRAIL” IS TOTALLY SURRONDED BY ISLAMI COUNTRIES & THOUGH NO “ISLAMI” COUNTY HAS GUT TO RAISE THERE EYES ON “ISRAIL”…………..,

    SAME THING WILL HAPPENED IN HINDUSTAN………,

    VANDE MATRAM, HINDU PRAJA RAJYAM, JAI HIND,,,,,,,

    vid123

    September 24, 2008 at 7:15 am
30. WE WILL RETALIATE, WHERE & WHEN EVER POSSIBBLE

    VANDE MATRAM

    vid123

    September 24, 2008 at 7:20 am
31. >>WE WILL KILL U ALL…. AND ISLAM WILL RULE THE WORLD..

    Oh I see….
    You first rule the KASHMIR/IRAN/AFGANISTAN/PAKISTAN etc and then think of world.

    >>EVEN SO SMALL “ISRAIL” IS TOTALLY SURRONDED BY ISLAMI >>COUNTRIES

    These morons can’t do anything without the knowledge, looks like the ISLAM will be the reason for III world war ;(

    Peace

    Vicky

    September 24, 2008 at 7:26 am
32. kp on 19 sept 2.30 pm

    I have gone through your debate & would request all of my brothers that they dont have courage to talk on the basic subject they are hurt when we address them the real fact they don’t have guts to digest it. you might have read my comments in which i clearly wrote that these peoples are educated but became educated slaves in the hands of pakistan.So guys our visibility is very high in world and everybody is appriciating our efforts whole in the world by showing them the actual position that is why the indian representative has started his note with kashap rishi………….that is good example people are recognizing our facts about kashmir.

    They don’t have any agenda only “AZADI” which they know it is immpossible because it is a issue nobody on earth have rights to interfere in kashmir affairs including UN.

    There leader’s says pelbisite,referandam and UN reselution…………………….They even does not know what does it mean it has very diplomatically address by jawahar lal in UN that pelebisite within state and be part of indian which he successfully did by removing sadar-e-riyasat and give J&K status interm of Article 370″ which we actually see referandum if we in broader perspective which these people does’nt understand.

    They are misusing Article 370 and these peoples are in fear and they now have started barking including our politicians.Time has come this special status cause will have solution soon……….wait and watch……………

    Dont make this blogs polluted i request all.

    Pen has more power than gun who are cowards they use guns and who are intelligent they fight like jummuties who fought for Amarnath Land……Peace……….

    Let me share some information with the recent Agitation in jammu.

    Some of prominent leader of kashmir in his interview he clearly say that kashmiri muslims and leaders has given space to jammuties and it will probably make us weak in our demand because we cannot stop them to live in kashmir as they are State subject and they are real warrior they will not hesitate to retilate. In hindi he says “Hum Ne Soohe Hue Sher Ko Jagayaa Hai” KM will face the music in future.

    What they do is sin and we don’t want to be sinners too by abusing these Their mullahas and jihads will take care of them because they need those doses.

    I have recieved very good reply in my Blog i.e http://www.kashmirihindu.wordpress.com from the lady From POK which she has accepted we were hindu rajput and histroy of MArgay Tribes read it.

    Regards
    kp 19 sept 2.30 pm

    & NOT ONLY IN KASHMIR, BUT WHOLE HINDUSTAN HAS NOW AWAKENED, & HINDU JUGGARNAUT WILL CRUSH ALL OPPSITION,

    HINDU PRAJA RAJYAM,, VANDE MATRAM,, JAI HIND….,

    vid123

    September 24, 2008 at 8:29 am
33. IDIOT FARHAD KHAN,
    you are questioning others about ISLAM and you yourself answering the question. pathetic worm

    BTW you again proved that ISLAM with quran is the manual for terrorism, all of you guys are “PERSONA NON GRATA”

    venkat

    venkat

    September 24, 2008 at 11:53 am
34. Dear Sir: The penchant of the Hindu intellectual to parrot that terrorism has no religion stems from the lack of an iota of an idea about the Islamic and the Christian religious ethos. I’m sure none of these worthies voicing their views on Islam on the Indian English TV channels have ever read a sura of the Quran, a chapter of Muhammad’s life to be able to grasp how the Musalmans tend to be the victims of the Islamic psyche, shaped by the proclivities of their prophet, vicissitudes of his life, attitudes of his detractors and the credulity of his followers, which the mechanism of their umma perpetuates. And here is the in-depth analysis of the psyche of Muhammad and the submission of the Muslamans that tend to shape the Islamic ethos of separateness. If you are inclined to read the novel thought-provoking ‘Puppets of Faith: theory of communal strife’ that depicts the ironies of the faiths that affected the fate of the peoples, eclipsed the cultures of communes, altered the course of history and afflict the politics of the day, I would be pleased to send the e-book to you. You may know that it also examines how the sanaatana dharma came to survive in India, in spite of the combined onslaught of the Christianity and Islam on Hinduism for over a millennium. In essence, this book is for those who wish to be aware of the follies of their faith and the foibles of others to lighten the burden of dogma and reduce the baggage of prejudice. If you care to read it, I am sure you would meaningfully contribute to the debate. Regards, BS Murthy F-9, 1-10-234, Ashok Nagar, Hyderabad – 500 02

    FOR MORE HINDUSTANI VIEWS KINDLY GO TO http://www.feedback@ndtv.com

    vid123

    September 24, 2008 at 2:29 pm
35. Sep 22 2008 It is tragic and shameful at the same time, that Many Indians , media persons , politicians and so-called intellectuals try to justify terrorism by harping on Gujarat, Babri Masjid, Police atrocities etc. However while justifying they don’t give any attention to the victims of bomb blasts. They are forgotten instantly. The pain of their dependents, relatives is much more than can be compensated by cash or the words of sympathy. The victims of terrorism should get more space in our discourse than the terrorists . As a civil, law abiding society, we should have more empathy with the ‘ innocents’ who are the victims of terrorism. lalu1234

    vid123

    September 24, 2008 at 2:41 pm
36. One thing I as a kashmiri muslim would like to convey to my pandits. Pandits can never return to kashmir as they have taken themselves far way from the valley by being hand in glove with indian occupation forces in killing muslims

    ZH

    September 27, 2008 at 12:07 pm
37. claps claps …for ur comment mr zh …great

    KILLING OF MUSLIMS BY HINDUS!!!!
    BIGGEST JOKE
    …WE ARE NOT KILLERS …U KNOW IT BETTER..WHO IS A KILLER ..WE LOVE PEACE … WE ARE NOT LIKE U PEOPLE WHO IN THE DISGUISE OF DOCTOR OR ENG.. R PLANNING TO DESTROY WORLD

    DON’T TALK LIKE A FOOLISH PERSON..

    pamposh

    September 27, 2008 at 12:25 pm
38. Pandits are crying that Muslims of Kashmir are communal as they threw Hindus out. Can we ask you how are thousands of Sikhs and christians still living in Kashmir. Why didnt we throw them out even during last 20 years since the exodus of pandits.My dear pandits why are hiding the fact that your exodus was arranged under a dirty plan from Jagmohan the Indian thrusted so called governor of J&K, who planned to take hindu pandits to safer places out of Kashmir so that he could undertake the mass killings of muslim kashmiri youth.Recent support extended by pandits to RSS, Bajrang dal and BJP in economic blockade of the valley has distanced Pandits away from the Muslims of the Kashmir. Shame on you and your leaders.

    ZH

    September 27, 2008 at 12:27 pm
39. Pamposh…
    I think you are not aware of mass killing of Muslims by hindus in Gujrat and now recently in Orissa where you have killed christians.
    What about the killing of 200000 kashmiri muslims by the hindus of jammu in 1947.

    ZH

    September 27, 2008 at 12:32 pm
40. Dear Pandits,
    Inspite of what you have done we will still welcome you in the valley if you join our freedom struggle. Lets dream togather the creation of independent Kashmir and work for it hand in hand.
    Be part of this mission and love you mother land.

    ZH

    September 27, 2008 at 12:39 pm
41. ECONOMIC BLOKADE CONSULT DICTIONARY…WE BOTH KNOW WHT TYPE BLOCKGE WAS THERE…

    OK ..DON’T SAY LIKE THIS… U KNOW IN PAST FEW MONTHS ..WE WERE NOT ABLE TO GET ALL NECC. COMMDITIS OF LIFE ..ATMS SHUT… NO FOOD IN MARKET…SCHOOLS SHUT.. COLL SHUT …LIFE WAS COMPLTLY PARLSED…THIS IS WHT WE SUFFERED …BUT AS PER ME AND EVERY ONE KNOWS …THERE WS NOP BLOKADE IN KASHMIR..
    STOP CRYING

    JAGMOHAN DID THIS THAT…SO AND SO ..
    ANSWER ME ..
    IF GEELANI WILL ASK U TO MOVE OUT OF KASHMIR AND WILL SAY U TO LIVE ON ROADS AND IN TENTS ..WILL U LEAVE KASHMIR …UR HOMELAND …NO ..U WON’T UNLESS U FEEL INSECURE??? TELL ME WILL U ??

    STOP THIS NONSENCE …EVERYONE KNOWS WHO IS A CULPRIT ..

    AND ONE MORE THING … SHAME ON U PEOPLE ..WHO STILL DON’T FEEL SORRY FOR MASS KILLINGS ..

    pamposh

    September 27, 2008 at 12:41 pm
42. Pamposh
    You suffered at the hand of sangrash samity who mislead you all. You sufferd the restrictions of surfew for a so called cause of returing the land although that was a game played by some vested interests in Samity who earned millions by way donations.
    When we in Kashmir are put under seige and curfews imposed we do not cry as we are fighting a war against occupation.

    Why should Geelani ask us to move out of kashmir. He has no plan to kill any non muslim there. Jagmohan had that plan that he thought will crush the demand for freedom and Indian interests will be saved.

    What do you say about masscre of muslims in Gujrat and Jammu in 1947.?????

    Hindus are actually following the CHANKIYA policy. That believes in lies…… and cowardice

    ZH

    September 27, 2008 at 12:51 pm
43. that was my answer to ur so called eco blockg …
    ok…then why are u crying this time tht u suffered ..tht was a part of ur pious struggle..

    just for some time imagine and aswer me ..will u move out ????

    like u love ur motherland we also loved the same wy… but u intended to move us out ..thts why u r not answering my question…

    i think u forgot that whenever thgeir are communal riots …both hindu as well as muslims die… in gujrat hindus also sufferd …in 47 hindus also died…

    well who is a lier and a coward … everyone knows …

    pamposh

    September 27, 2008 at 1:06 pm
44. before saying nything ..just look wht ur brothers say

    Hello Brothers

    ASLAM WALAY KUM

    I FOUND THIS SITE AND VIDEOS LOOK HOW WRONGLY WE PEACE LOVING MUSLIMS ARE EXPLOITED BY SHOWING THESE VIDEOS CAN WE GET THESE SITES STOP SHOWING THESE VIDEOS. I THINK ALL THE KAFIRS ARE INVOLVED IN CREATING AND FABRICATING THESE AND TRYING TO BRING BAD NAME TO OUR PEACE LOVING RELIGION.

    http://www.yoism.org/?q=node/235

    INSHAH ALLAH WE WILL SURELY PROVE THEM WRONG AND PUNISH ALL KAFIRS FOR SPREADING THE LIES ABOUT OUR HOLY QURAN AND PROPHET MUHAMMAD(PBUH). WE ALL MUSLIMS NEED TO WORK TOGETHER AND PROVE KUFARS THAT THEY ARE WRONG AND ISLAM IS THE BEST.

    BROTHERS I AM HAVING HARD TIME TO FIND SITES THAT SHOW GOOD ABOUT ISLAM — ALL THE KUFARS HAVE BEEN ONLY TALKING BAD ABOUT ISLAM — PLEASE DIRECT ME TO SOME SITES THAT WE CAN TELL KUFARS HOW PEACEFUL ISLAM IS.

    FARHAD

    FARHAD KHAN

    23 Sep 08 at 5:45 pm

    pamposh

    September 27, 2008 at 1:09 pm
45. We are not crying as you blocked the highway but we are demanding to open the natural road to Muzafarabad.
    We did not complain when indian occupation forces killed thousands because that is the price that we have to pay for freedom from india.
    We are opposing the illegal and un natural occupation of our land. we can not relate to india in any way. our culture and traditions and way of living has no resemblence to india whether hindu india or muslim india.

    Answering you question whether will we move out of the valley to llive in tents if some one tells us to move so that our lives are saved under the grand plan to kill the enemies YES we wiill move as saving life is the first that comes to mind when you are in danger.
    Your so called leaders convinced you to shift to Jammu under that Jagmohan plan.

    Tell me how many hindus died in Gujrat and even if very few did that was as reaction by muslims. Muslims were always killed by Hindus and so calles security personnel helped in killing.

    In 1947 how many hindus died you better ask you father…

    Now how may muslim homes were gutted by hindus terrorists in Jammu during Amarnath row and tell me how many yatris were killed in kashmir….??

    India is indeed a liar who is lying about the facts in kashmir.
    17 lakh people were on roads demanding freedom from india and they were saying only few are not happy with india.
    They are denying the stated resolutions of UN and you say who is the lier…

    ZH

    September 27, 2008 at 1:19 pm
46. Pamposh
    When you hurt the religious sentiments of some one he will surely come up with harsh response and that is what is happening these days.

    You stop talking and accusing Islam you will have peace in the world. Remember muslims are ALIVE and ready to die for their faith

    ZH

    September 27, 2008 at 1:24 pm
47. simply say u want islamic laws…u can’t be secular..
    one more thing …
    u were not our enemies ..if u remember.. once upon a time ..

    but u started killing hindus ..nd thts why we moved out ..ok let me make it clear a person who himself is searching for a rrof to live can’t conspire to kill u ..killing is in ur blood not our..

    why u don’t know ..how many hindus died …leave tht ..otherwaise if i start telling u about the past wht muslim rulers did with us in kashmir in 15 or 16th century ..u won’t be able to face urself..

    well wht will u say about this in kashmir .. several people were beaten to death … i hope u r aware..

    india is not a lier … as per un resolution ur so called plebst can’t be conduted till all pakistani occupational forces are removed … so better u clear ur facts

    pamposh

    September 27, 2008 at 1:36 pm
48. we never wanted to hate u… but u forced us

    pamposh

    September 27, 2008 at 1:41 pm
49. well u haven’t answered me aboout wht farad is saying ..is he wrong

    pamposh

    September 27, 2008 at 1:43 pm
50. one more green bigot. “ZH”

    we have to repeat the same gramephone record again & again.

    guys can anyone tell me whether these( “ZH”) guys are manufactured in any factory assembly line.

    they carry same type of head without brain.

    i am really astonished by their persistence
    venkat

    venkat

    September 27, 2008 at 1:45 pm
51. dear guys….

    Many times people refer probably my comments here as an attack on Islam —-

    I love peace but I never misquoted ISLAM — I have just quoted verses and suras of Quran —

    For me ISLAM was nice and peaceful religion — Prior to 1989 —- My foundation shook when I saw ugly face of My neighbours with Guns—- I was amazed — HOW ? WHY? How low did my muslim brothers go…. amazing….

    so I felt need to understand the Force behind NizamEmustafa— that is quran hadit and life of muhammad itself —–

    ever wondered why muslims dont like to make a nice beautiful movie about the great life of muhammad —- we have ramayan, mahabarta, even life of Christ, and zorastra budha and many other prophets and avtars potrayed on TV

    But why not life of muhammad — because there is nothing nice or sweet or peaceful about him… His life is perfect according to quran — how will they show 53 year old man marrying 6 year old on TV or movie— it will be shame– how will they show muhammad killing people and whole families including husband parents and next marrying widow…. so is he the person who cared about 17year young and beautiful widow or did he marry her to protect her life which was ruined by him…. what will be there I AM AMAZED— BUT TELLING THIS IS TALKING AGAINST ISLAM — IDONT THINK SO BUT IT IS JUST TELLING FACTS FROM UR RELIGION —

    THE BIGGEST PROBLEM IS NOT ABOVE BUT IT IS NO ONE CAN CHANGE UR RELIGION AS IT IS FINAL WORD OF GOD — THAT SUCKS — WHAT IS WRTITTEN IN QURAN ABOUT HOW U CAN COMMENT IN THESE FOREMS — OR SINCE COMPUTERS WERE NOT THERE U GOD WAS IGNORANT AT THAT TIME— DI HE TALK ABOUT GUNS AND SUCIDE BOMBERS AND ATOM BOMBS– SORRY HOW WOULD IT BE IN QURAN WHEN THE ARAB GOD COULD NOT THINK BEYOND ARABIA OR ASIA—

    WHAT HAS UR GOD TOLD HOW TO GO TO THE TOILET IN PLANE — BUT THE PLANES WERE BEYOND HIS IMAGINATION — HE TALKED TO U ABOUT THE TOILET ETHICS OF THOSE DAYS AND U FOOLS FOLLOW THEM TODAY— MAKE SURE DONT USE BONES BUT 7 STONES….

    HAVE FUN LIVING IN 7TH CENTURY
    AND PRAISE TO FOOLLISH MUHAMMAD WHO CURSED YOU WITH THIS

    ANIL

    KOUL ANIL

    September 27, 2008 at 4:34 pm
52. Dear Venkat Stuff

    Truth is truth and will always remain that even if Indian leaders or idiots like you challenge it innumerable times.
    The truth is that Kashmir was taken by India by deceite and their occupation is only due to heavy deployment of million strong aramies.The so called instrument of accession is doubtfull and Even after the great Indian leader Nehru(Who proved himself a lier) promised the world while addressing a huge rally in Lal chowk Srinagar that Indians will go back from Kashmir after things will settle back to normal. He made that promise to people but did not fulfill.
    You need not to bother about Kashmir and Kashmiris.. you carry on with you work.

    ZH

    September 28, 2008 at 12:42 pm
53. WELL MR ZH ..WE ALL ARE INDIANS ..SO IN INDIA WE ARE VERY MUCH CONCERNED ABOUT WHT HAPPENS IN KARNATKA OR IN GUJRAT OR NYWHR ELSE..SO HERE IF VENKAT IS WRITING …IT IS HIS RIGHT TO WRITE …INDIA IS UNITED AND DEF ..WE WILL THROW TERRORSIM OUT …

    BE READY FOR THE INDIAN ATTACK !!!!
    

    pamposh

    September 28, 2008 at 1:19 pm
54. FROM WE I MEAN ALL INDIAN…U R EXCLUDED

    pamposh

    September 28, 2008 at 1:20 pm
55. its strange …

    these people will never agree the bad intentions of pakistani porkistanis … but they will for sure see the wrongs with India …

    its their strange mentality …

    the day ( which i know will never happen … ) kashmir gets any sort of freedom … the following are sure to happen …

    1. it will become a taliban state because of moslem jihadi terrorist mentality of terrorist moslems …

    2. china will leave no stone unturned to get a hold on the valley and along with aksai chin it will be become a part of mainland china … ( perhaps with some sort of paperish autonomy … ) … kashmiri moslems will be treated as rats just like moslems are treated in xinjiang province of china … u could have seen there faces during olympics … they were like about to shit in their pants when any journalist tried to talk to them … they could not even say a word …

    3. pakistan offcourse will never agree to leaving the azad kashmir … and will surely ask the terrorist jihadis to make it a part of the terrorist islamic state … and slowly kashmiri moslems will become second class citizens under porki rule … just like muhajirs …

    still these aaankh ke andhe will never see anything …

    KASHMIR WILL ALWAYS BE WITH INDIA

    … NO MATTER WHAT …

    kc

    September 28, 2008 at 3:33 pm
56. My dear KC
    Whether Kashmiri will become slaves of China or second class citizens of Pakistan is not your concern.
    (Gurbat Main Hain Agar Hum Rahtey Hain Dil Watan Main)

    But one thing is for sure that Kashmir and Kashmiris do not relate to India and we hate India as an occupation state (But not the people of India because they have been mislead and ill informed by their leaders about Kashmir)
    Let me tell you when Indians were fighting British there were idiots like you who used to say that Britian is a huge power and they will never leave…some people in Libya were scaring the Libyan freedom fighters that they cant force Italy to go…Some hypocrat Afghans believed Russians will not leave but peoples revolutions throw powerfulls out.
    One day India has to leave and the blood of 70 thousand Kashmiris will not go waste.
    One more thing “whether kashmiris will achieve something or not The Pandits will never come back to Kasmhir…let them lick the Asses of their Indian brothers”

    ZH

    September 29, 2008 at 8:22 am
57. zh …

    the Indian government is chosen by India and represents the wishes of Indian people ….

    something islamists still cannot understand in the new world …

    u can think what u want to … kashmiri moslems can think what they want …

    the Indian people think of islam as the occupying force … u can see that in the way the indian moslems are being caught from everywhere and rounded up by our police … this is our land ….

    ITS INDIANS WHO WILL DRIVE ISLAM OUT ….

    THE WILL OF 1 BILLION INDIANS WILL CRUSH ANYONE AND ANYTHING ELSE …

    kc

    September 29, 2008 at 9:06 am
58. MAKE NO MISTAKE …

    WE WILL TAKE AWAY PAKISTAN (WHICH IS NOTHING BUT HINDU LAND ) WHEN WE WANT TO AS WELL …

    ITS OUR BIG HEARTEDNESS …THAT THEY SURVIVE TODAY …

    THE SAME GOES FOR YOU …

    kc

    September 29, 2008 at 9:09 am
59. KC
    Rounding muslim youth in so called terror attacked(Which are carried out by Hindu terror outfits like RSS) is a gameplan of Hinduvita forces.
    You could not take back half of kashmir that is with Pakistan…forget about taking whole of Pakistan.

    ZH

    September 29, 2008 at 9:19 am
60. >>>Whether Kashmiri will become slaves of China or second class citizens of Pakistan is not your concern.
    (Gurbat Main Hain Agar Hum Rahtey Hain Dil Watan Main)

    trust me i wonder over ur thinking… whts in ur tiny tiny brains ..
    just look hw u people supprt ur freedom struggle ..u can be slave ..2nd class citizens ..but not true indians

    well ur very true .. in india no body is a slave or a second class citizem .. hope u r aware ..
    trust me both of them don’t exist here..

    >>>One more thing “whether kashmiris will achieve something or not The Pandits will never come back to Kasmhir…let them lick the Asses of their Indian brothers”

    THIS ONE FOR MY INTELLIGENT KM BROTHRERS WHO SAY THT KASHMIRIS MOVE OUT BECAUSE OF THE CONSPIRACY ..
    WELL THANK U KZ.. U TO SUPPORT MY ARGUMENT

    WELL MR KZ KEEP ON DREAMING FOR UR ISLAMIC FREEDOM ..AS FOR ME U R IN A FREE WORLD …FREEDOM IS A STATE OF MIND ..

    pamposh

    September 29, 2008 at 9:33 am
61. there is a strategy … regarding pok …

    we create the strategies …. just like we created bangladesh …( thou it is another dirty kid … but i guess it will drown in sea water while it creates terror outfits … )

    call it whatever … Hindutva … Hindu terrorism … or what u want …

    we will twist each of the moslem terrorist … the community is the one which will suffer the most …
    but its their choice and so is yours …

    dream on … there is nothing wrong in dreaming …
    when u see the light of the day … u will realise “the dream” has always been there with you …then it will depend if you want to take it or too fearful to enjoy it …

    Punjab has realised “the dream” … soon kashmir will too …

    

    kc

    September 29, 2008 at 9:35 am
62. When I say Pandits cant return that is in the light of attitude of so called pandit leaders wherein they demand homeland in the heart of the valley and play in the hands of hindu extremists who are anti kashmiri.
    Recent support of pandits to the kashmir blockade, working with indian agencies in killing kashmiris (I have seen myself many pandits working as informers and cats during crack downs in the valley)and so many anti kashmiri actions.

    Pandits have hurt the feelings of common kashmiris and we have lots of grudges against them. BJP and RSS wont live along side you if you wish to be back in kashmir but its the common kashmiri who will be next door.
    Calling us fanatics and killers will not do good to you. You ask your elders how did we respect your community. I remember during Sheer Bakra fights whenever a pandit used to come in between kashmiri would stop pelting stones on eachother and let the pandit cross the road.
    Now things have changed and you should thank BJP & RSS who instigated hatred in your heart for us.
    Anyways lets pray that things be same as before as we are the sons of same land.

    Regarding the dream of Independent Kashmir I would tell my friends here that the day will come when this dream will become a reality.Ours is a just cause and we are on the right path in demanding the occupations to be ended (Both Indian and Pakistani)
    We will have our Kahmir returned to us in the same color when it was taken away from us by Indians and Pakistanis. Our Kashmir…. Kashmir for ALL.Inshallah

    ZH

    September 29, 2008 at 10:08 am
63. well wht before 1989…….. i think we were cool and clam and i think the hatred for u people in our herts is just because of ur attitude …to an every action there is an equal and opp. reaction ..u should thank tht our reaction is not even 1/1000 of wht u did with us … so first see wht u are then blame otheres

    pamposh

    September 29, 2008 at 10:20 am
64. no mention of any hatred towards pakistan strangely …

    after all they are bound by terrorist islam …

    Hindu groups are the ones here which are responsible for all troubles in the valley … lol …

    cant see any “peaceful” marches … even tokenistic in pok …

    this is hypocrisy .. this aint no freedom fight …

    the world knows this now …

    kc

    September 29, 2008 at 10:22 am
65. wht bjp AND wht rss …wht is ur hisbl mujahidin, jklf …. and blah blah terrst groups ..
    the parties like bjp just support the displaced hindus thats ur problem …they are not terrst parties

    pamposh

    September 29, 2008 at 10:23 am
66. >>so called pandit leaders wherein they demand homeland

    All KP’s who understand what EVIL islam has brought to world wants it because we can’t live peacefully in sharia rule.
    Is that clear?????

    Peace

    Vicky

    September 29, 2008 at 11:00 am
67. >>Pandits have hurt the feelings of common kashmiris and >>we have lots of grudges against them

    You always had grudges against us it is not new thing.
    So let us give you what you deserve.

    >>Ours is a just cause and we are on the right path in >>demanding the occupations to be ended (

    wtf…
    which cause are you talking about, go and trace your generations and see your roots.Either you are a KP or some one who had roots in afganistan/pakistan.
    Go through the blogs over here and you will get more about your religion and your orgin

    Peace

    Vicky

    September 29, 2008 at 11:35 am
68. @ZH,

    You have forgotten “Alha tashee” what is that find your roots then talk like educated person.First and foremost let me clear your doubt that KP is the major part to play in kashmir issue.when a person spit in air what will happen u better know.Till KP is where ever “Kashmiryat is alive.you says 17 lacks demonstrated according to kashmiri press it is 10 lacs angain liar remember one thing Shia community in has gone up by 25% to 38% more from these 20 yrs think about your division of expression has started in kashmir and they want as their brothers in northern states in pakistan have population about 80% who’s whishes is to be with india. Now look at the broader perspective what will happen to 14 crores muslims in india against 28 lacs muslims in kashmir you wants to they to suffer……….think……….

    For further information you can clear you doubt in my blog http://www.kashmirihindu.wordpress.com

    i didn’t any kashmiri muslim to have guts to react on my post.

    KP

    kashmirihindu

    September 29, 2008 at 12:48 pm
69. @ZH
    Remember their is a game plan we have started it because of mzaffarabad road open you will see within one their mass reaction of other parts pok which want to malign with india so if i see you will loose your demand of free kashmir……….being in exile from 20 yrs don’t be happy you will face music now…

    KP

    kashmirihindu

    September 29, 2008 at 12:52 pm
70. What is he talking about —- world has started the count down of Islam and soon u will find Islam in the dustbin of History —- as people talked about British occupation of India that it is huge — same way people think of Islamic occupation of World — wow how can islam vanish and perish — Sure Ali sina gives Islam 1-2 short Decades before it is History…

    BTW Kashmiri muslims play same tune as Philipines Muslims or Muslims in any part of world — it is not the problem with muslims — they are humans too but it is problem with there faith ISLAM —

    BJP RSS and Bajrang Dal are just orginizations as a hindu u can be or cannot be part of it — what about islam any muslim is part of it — and all it teaches is terrorism, slitting throats, killing people of other faith, raping women, child abose — just for a promise of Wine, Women, Wealth and Boys in heaven —- What a crap —

    Duniya ko bachana hai– Islam ko mitana hai
    Insaniyat to bachana hai, Islam ko mitana hai
    Kashmir ko bachana hai, Islam ko Mitana hai…

    anil

    KOUL ANIL

    September 29, 2008 at 1:02 pm
71. A comment in times of india website,

    Bobby, London, England, says: Muslims are blaming others for the failure of the Muslim community to be tough on terrorists. What they forget is in each of these instances who started the conflicts? Muslims start the conflict and then when faced with the wrath of the victims who are not Muslim, they cry foul. Do they expect non-Muslims to tolerate their relatives being killed and sit quietly? Times have changed Hindus will fight back now, we will not be doormats. If Muslims want to live in peace they need to weed out the terrorist element in their own community. Stop blaming others for your problems. This terrorist element is also very present here in England and through out Europe. The basic problem I have seen with the Muslim community is most of them have no respect for people of other faiths. They feel they are superior to others and want to convert others. They need to learn respect for other religions. Muslims are discriminated in India? Please they have it good in India, look at Bollywood, look at Wipro(Muslim owner) look at the Kalam, president of India. Do you think this is possible in Pakistan or Bangladesh for a non-Muslim? A secular country means everyone is free to practice their religion, but that does NOT mean special privileges. In India Muslims are given privileges such as Haj subsidy and Christians Israel subsidy which is an insult to the Hindu community, which gets nothing though they make up over 85% of the tax base. I say no government subsidies for any religion.
    [30 Sep, 2008 0248hrs IST]

    venkat

    source: http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/opinions/msid-3542157,curpg-2.cms

    venkat

    September 30, 2008 at 8:11 am
72. All Pandits are the rats who lick the comment edited of India.They have no place in Kashmir and they will be wiped off if they try to come back here.
    They are Indian agents and there is place for them in Kashmir.
    They were thrown out of the valley to Jammu where Dogras comment edited .
    Kiling a Comment edited is equal to earning million sawab

    Kashmiri

    October 2, 2008 at 5:35 pm
73. The above comments prove yet again that it is the Islamic fanatics in Kashmir who killed Kashmiri Pandits selectively.

    No matter how much drama that enact about secularism time to time, but there are times when the mask falls out.

    Jai Panun Kashmir …..Homeland for Kashmiri Hindus.

    TheKashmir

    October 2, 2008 at 5:40 pm
74. jis din kooch karenge kashmir ki taraf HINDUSTAN KI JUNTA …

    kashmiri mussalmaano ko bil bhi nahin milega chuphne ko …

    BEWARE !!!!! ….

    TIME IS COMING …

    chandra

    October 2, 2008 at 6:21 pm
75. Chandra
    No matter how much you guys cry for homeland you will never come back to Kashmir. You are out and out for ever.You better leave the thoughts of returning and enjoying the scenic beauty of the valley.
    Like Allah threw the Satan out of Paradise for ever you too are thrown out for ever.
    You are better off with Dogras and BJP…..

    We pitty you….

    ZH

    October 4, 2008 at 7:38 am
76. @ZH,

    First of all you are a lunatic and have no sense of kashmiryat.Histroy is evedence that when ever muslims community goes ahead of sins they are perished with bombardement as you have seen in afghanistan and middleeast.Do be ready for desastor you know when only 11 fmlys of KP lives there during the reign of muslim rule how we fought your ansistors might told you about the fact.Don’t be too much happy actually you live exile and anytime you can be treated as traitors and result is hang them or crucified them.

    Still we live with pride and you are lie beggers who begs to international community by creating such a propanganda………..Days have come……..

    kashmirihindu

    October 5, 2008 at 3:06 pm
77. @kashmirihindu

    Now pakistan also calls them Terrorists
    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/JK_militants_are_terrorists_says_Zardari/articleshow/3562395.cms

    Let us see how things go now

    Peace

    Vicky

    October 5, 2008 at 7:50 pm
78. I have read shocking comments.One of the participant on the blog using unparlimentary language against pandits. All, i want to say kashmir is not part of Arabs. Had it been a matter of religion,the problem in kashmir should not have come to this pass.Because islam gives the impression having conqured kashmir,the matter is about impearlism in kashmir. It is well known foregin settlers in kashmir have no love lost for pandits, iam sure some of the unparimentary language used could only be said by a SAYYID OR HAMDANI OR NAKSBANDI. I AM SURE LOCAL KASHMIRI MUSLIM WILL NOT USE SUCH ABUSIVE LANGUAGE.gOD HAS BEEN USED AND MISUSED IN KASHMIR TO MAKE SLAVE OF KASHMIRI PANDITS KITH AND KIN. EDITOR PLEASE TAKE NOTE OF IT.

    bilhan kaul

    October 6, 2008 at 9:46 am
79. WHY KASHMIRI MUSLIM PROPOGATE ISLAM WITH SUCH A ZEAL IS BECAUSE IT IS NOT THEIR RELIGION.LIKE A PROPGANDIST KASHMIRI IS NOT HIMSELF CONVINCED ABOUT CHANGE OF RELIGION.HE WANTS TO IMPRESS OTHERS AND NOT HIMSELF.HE IS GUILTY. BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SAY KASHMIRI PANDITS RESPECT ARAB AND THEIR ISLAM. BUT IN KASHMIR ISLAM HAS CREATED NEUROSIS AS CONVERTS HIMSELF NOT KNOWING WHOM TO SIDE WITH ; THOSE WHO HAVE CONQURED HIS ANCESTORS OR THOSE WHO ARE HIS KITH AND KIN. ARABS ARE COMFARTABLE WIYH ISLAM AS IT IS THEIR RELIGION NOT KASHMIRIS.

    bilhan kaul

    October 6, 2008 at 10:07 am
80. WHY KASHMIRI MUSLIM PROPOGATE ISLAM WITH SUCH A ZEAL IS BECAUSE IT IS NOT THEIR RELIGION.LIKE A PROPGANDIST HIMSELF KASHMIRI IS NOT HIMSELF CONVINCED ABOUT CHANGE OF RELIGION.HE WANTS TO IMPRESS OTHERS AND NOT HIMSELF.HE IS GUILTY. BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SAY KASHMIRI PANDITS RESPECT ARAB AND THEIR ISLAM. BUT IN KASHMIR ISLAM HAS CREATED NEUROSIS AS CONVERTS HIMSELF ARE NOT KNOWING WHOM TO SIDE WITH ; THOSE WHO HAVE CONQURED HIS ANCESTORS OR THOSE WHO ARE HIS KITH AND KIN. ARABS ARE COMFARTABLE WITH ISLAM AS IT IS THEIR RELIGION NOT KASHMIRIS.

    bilhan kaul

    October 6, 2008 at 10:09 am
81. bilhan koul where were u at the time of migration????

    i don’t understand wht do u want to convey…..

    no body will propgate any religion just to impress others… its just the words of quran that is making them mad … a muslim eother frm kashmir or frm arab or frm nywhere first he is a muslim then a human being …human is a second priority

    pamposh

    October 6, 2008 at 12:58 pm
82. Let me tell you the fact…every human being is born as Muslim as its the Gods way of living.All the messengers who were sent to earth carried the same message and thats the message of Islamic monthesim. All the messengers before Prophet Mohamed PBUH(the last messenger) delivered the same message but their followers either didnt accept it(hence faced the wrath of God) or manupilated the message to suit their likings (Like Jews & Christians)
    God says I have given you the capability of REASONING and I leave it to you O Human to think after you attain the age of reasoning to think and decide which way to follow (If you are not a born muslim)
    If you are a born muslim still you need to study Islam to satisfy yourself that you are following the right path.
    Now those who accepted the message did not convert to Islamis monnthesim but reverted back to their original faith for that they had gone away due to birth from those who rejected the earlier messengers or those who twisted the message (Christians & Jews)

    ZH

    October 9, 2008 at 12:08 pm
83. lol …… mannnn …. these posts are getting hilarious now …. the moslem zealots are talking gibberish that no sane man can understand …

    its good moslems have now taken up to making people “laugh” …better than “killing” themselves i guess …

    

    chandra

    October 9, 2008 at 12:15 pm
84. ZH,

    Can u please reprint the message of Islam …. it seems to have landed in Junk folder for the rest of the world and has been delegated —- I hear this a lot what is the MESSAGE or IN ISLAMIC WORDS ORDER from the Allah???

    Chandra I had a great laugh too…

    love and peace
    Anil

    KOUL ANIL

    October 9, 2008 at 12:55 pm
85. Guys,

    Some interesting video about “Sharia and child marriage”

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AspdZ_aKAl4

    I don’t think we should react to the comments of ZH

    Peace
    Vicky

    Vicky

    October 10, 2008 at 4:08 am
86. mr zh ..its seems u have direct contacts with allah..great

    pamposh

    October 10, 2008 at 4:50 pm
87. mr zh;the more you defend islam the more we are not convinced.Everybody knows that truth is is science not religion. And islam is a Arab political movement .We respect their movement and who are we to disrespect their movement.Practically every achivement in this world is by Europeans.But i will wager my house if any body prves that islam had a beneficial effect on kashmiris.That is why islam spread through lozic and means emnicipation is fraud.I am not concerned with Muslims of foregin origin. I am not intersted WITH FOREGIN MUSLIMS ON THE SOILOF KASHMIR, and they are entitiled to be fanatic our islam as it belongs to them. But i am intrested in converted kashmiris. It is time to tell them the truth. And that truth is God has been misued in Kashmir to make blood brothers enemies of each other , it is the only PHILOSPHICAL question in kashmir.

    bilhan kaul

    October 11, 2008 at 5:30 am
88. THE RECENT CONFLICT IN KASHMIR PROVES THAT THEIR IS IDENTITY PROBLEM WITH KASHMIRIS . IT IS TO BE EXPECTED AS ISSUE IS OF IMPEARLISM. KASHMIRI PANDITS HAVE HUNDREDS OF GODS AND IN THE PAST THEY HAVE ACCEPTED ISLAM WHETHER THROUGH SWORD OR OTHERWISE. BUT ISLAM IS INTERESTED IN ARAB CULTURE ONLY. HENCE MUSLIMS SHOULD GIVE BACK CONVERTED KASHMIRIS . AS ISLAMIC IDENTITY HAS BEEN THRUST UPON THEM.IF MULIMS REGARD IT NATURAL TO SIDE WITH PAKISTAN AS KASHMIRI PANDITS SIDE WITH INDIA THEN THEY ARE WRONG .PANDITS ARE PRO KASHMIR AND WORSHIP MOUNTAINS AND LAKES OF KASHMIR. THEIR GODS ARE NOT IN ARAB LANDS.THRY ABSORB DIFFERENT CULTURE AS IS EVIDENT IN THEIR FESTIVALS WHICH HAS MULIM INFLUENCE AS WELL.THERFORE PANDITS SHOULD TAKE BACK THOSE MUSLIMS WHO HAVE HINDU SURNAME LIKE BHATS AND KAUL,S.

    bilhan kaul

    October 11, 2008 at 5:44 am
89. IF MULIMS REGARD IT NATURAL TO SIDE WITH PAKISTAN AS KASHMIRI PANDITS SIDE WITH INDIA THEN THEY ARE WRONG .PANDITS ARE PRO KASHMIR AND WORSHIP MOUNTAINS AND LAKES OF KASHMIR. THEIR GODS ARE NOT IN ARAB LANDS.

    Thats a good observation and important difference between the “quasi kashmiris” and “real kashmiris”….

    Hindus welcome all to join the religion of peace … no matter what the sirname …

    chandra

    October 11, 2008 at 11:22 am
90. zh….

    its not just the “place”…

    its the people that make up the place to be a paradise …

    what kashmiri moslems are … the whole world knows …

    kashmir sans the moslems is a paradise … not with them …

    with them its just a piece of land haunted by the killings of small children …

    may god give u and all kashmiri moslems nightmares of their crying …

    u can never have freedom in a million years …

    REST ASSURED ABOUT THAT …

    FREEDOM IS WITHIN YOU …

    ITS A TRICKY THING … UR BREED CANNOT UNDERSTAND THAT …

    WE MAKE THE NATION …

    

    chandra

    October 12, 2008 at 6:24 am
91. Chandra,

    >>its the people that make up the place to be a paradise …

    Well said !

    Peace

    Vicky

    October 12, 2008 at 12:17 pm
92. Yes Vicky…

    “satan moslems” are living in Kashmir and they call it “paradise” …

    they have made it a hell hole … and call it paradise …

    its hilarious …

    chandra

    October 12, 2008 at 2:02 pm
93. MNS is a political party …created by a man who is hell bent on destroying the leftover of thackeray name … who are anyways a spent force now … they did not have the balls to get out of Maharashtra and lead India ….

    Bajrang Dal is supposedly the militant wing of the Sangh Parivar…. but it is not anti national … anti religious i guess it is …

    VHP and RSS are different … anybody criticising them should take a look at the good work they do as well ….

    a little knowledge is too dangerous …

    and again …

    “One cannot use the same whip to ride all her horses … ”

    goes a saying ….

    KP’s need a political force to back the cause of Panun Kashmir …

    else it will just be just on paper …

    with political backing the masses will join the movement led by the KP’s …

    thats the only way to get the demand … KP’s by themselves do not have the required numbers …

    chandra

    October 15, 2008 at 8:18 am
94. Kashmir got a new chchuk chchuk gadi …

    good toy for the kashmiri moslems ….

    i guess this will make the kids happy …

    chandra

    October 18, 2008 at 7:48 am
95. In an earlier blog mr zh says that india took kashmir by fraud. it is the madness in indian variety of islamic followers. kashmir is part of indian subcontinent. On the other hand foreginers took our own kith and kinand converted them to islam. can there be more absurd situation than this.

    bilhan kaul

    October 24, 2008 at 6:19 am
96. well …. this country needs a change if it wants to get a grip on all the blasts are troubles happening in the country ….

    i dont remember such things happening when Vajpayee was in power … thou there was too much of the India shining …

    Manmohan Singh doesnt seem to be concerned about the country …

    the whole country has been converted to kashmir like situation by Moslem and Hindu ulfa terrorists as well …

    all of them should be hanged till death …

    chandra

    October 30, 2008 at 6:48 am
97. India now needs to take tough stands on all these situations …

    and deal with all such people with an iron hand if they are not ready to make peace ..

    from terrorists camps in Pok … which India considers to be its own territory … then why cant they strike on them ???? it is not even pakistan territory … kill them all … we have the satellites to pin point these camps and strike on them …

    same is the situation in bangladesh … these people are hell bent on getting themselves annhiliated by India as well as nature itself …

    its time India acts on such people … as well as modern day terrorists like raj thackery … who doesnt have the balls to come out of maharashtra but blabbers from his drawing room … same goes for his uncle ballusahab thakuray … who didnt have the balls to come out … and lead India … if he had come out he may well have been the Prime Minister of India … but alas … no balls …
    only blabber …

    bangladesh border must be sealed and migrants should be thrown out …

    manmohan singh and italian mafia are responsible for such sad state of India … which cant out its own house in order ….

    throw them out India ….

    chandra

    October 30, 2008 at 7:00 am
98. Kashmiri muslim has to decide that kashmiri pandit is his kith and kin or central asian settlers like geelani and naksbandhis.If you resolve this question only then kashmir issue will be settled.If muslims cannot do anything about changed identity then india also cannot do anything about holding of kashmir.

    bilhan kaul

    November 4, 2008 at 6:05 am
99. Jammu Regional Muslims are neglected in each and every field; The Muslim dominated areas of Jammu Region are most backward. Jammu Muslims are Economically, Educationally, Politically and in respect of development are backward, Kashmiri Ruling parties emotionally blackmail us on the ground of religion for vote bank politics, We the Muslims of Jammu Region shall find out the root causes of our backwardness and will make effort to eradicate same. So we welcome suggestions/ advice in this regard as well we need your volunteer support for the uplift of Muslims of Jammu Muslims. Despite we are 40% of total population in Jammu Region our condition is still miserable. Let us think over it and do something for the future of our next generation.From Dogra Rule to till date the sufferings and neglect of the people of Jammu & Kashmir in general and Jammu province in particular. People of J&K have suffered more socially, psychologically and emotionally. People of Jammu province have additionally suffered more of neglect as regards the developmental activities. Worst sufferers have been the erstwhile districts of Doda ( Kishtwar/ Ramban), Udhampur ( Reasi ), Rajouri Poonch and Kathua & Jammu Distt. The areas of Doda, Kishtwar, Mendar,Poonch, Rajouri, Gool Gulabgarh, Doodu Basantgarh, Bani, Bhaderwah, Plesa, Marwah , Pogal Paristan and like were the poorest of the poor before 1947 and they remained neglected even after 1947. These areas had and have lot many pleasant spots, meadows, lakes, rivers, forests, valleys, cascades, and local crafts that could attract the tourist / visitors during the summers and winters for planned stays. The Muslim Pockets of Jammu Region were neglected under a game plan resulting into Economically, Educationally, Politically remained backward despite fact that Jammu Muslims are 40% of the Jammu regional Population.

    Jammu Muslims are never been President of Jammu Chamber of Commerce.

    Jammu Muslims are never been president of Jammu Bar Council.

    Jammu Muslims are never given High Political Post in the state.

    Jammu Muslims are never selected for Govt. Jobs not as per the ratio of 40%. The Politicians did nothing about the welfare and development of the Muslims of Jammu in their election manifestos.

    None of the political parties either is national or regional has mentioned anything To add to the misfortunes of the people of J&K the approach of the national and international media too had been partisan in the sense that it looked only on the other side of the heights of Pir Panjal . It has been only at the times of elections to legislature / parliament that to regional and national political parties the people of poor, backward and distantly placed areas of Udhampur, Doda, Kathua , Rajouri , Poonch appear to be more dear.

    jammumuslims

    March 22, 2009 at 8:40 am