Psuedo secular and anti hindu activist Gautam Navlakha , as expected was furios on national TV (NDTV) yesterday and asked why the killings of Kashmii Hindus are being discussed every-time the Kashmir issue is being discussed.
Guatam Navlakha further said that as appeared in some news media that only 209 Kashmiri hindus were killed in Kashmir ,though the news was never backed up by any official , Gautam Navlakha prefers to hang out to this news to rescue the communal and separatist who have been resonsible for crimes against the minorty.
Gautam Navlakha should rather read the official statement of IGP Police , Mr Sahay in Sakaal Times where he quotes
We have not prepared any such report and don’t know what these media reports are alluding to.
This proves completely how Gautam Navlakha and his ilk try to hold on to the fabricated media news.
This is not surprising from Gautam Navlakha, who also happens to be the signatory of an appeal which supports that Afzal Guru should be set free and that Afzal Guru represents the aspirations of people of Kashmir.Afzal Guru as you know has been convicted in parliament attack case and has been sentenced to death.
Again Gautam goes and quotes that the temporary structures for Amarnath pilgrims would cause a damage to ecology , and it is interesting to note that Gautam Navlakha does not have a word to say about 5000 canals of Forest land which was transferred to Baba Ghulam Shah Badshah University and that too free of cost , while as crores of rupees was demanded from Amarnath Shrine Board.
Mughal Road
An environmental impact assessment report to the Jammu and Kashmir Pollution Control Board regarding the Mughal Road clearly said that it would cut through 67 hectares of the Hirpora sanctuary disturbing the habitat of the Markhor. The cutting of many trees would have a cascading effect on the associated biota. Besides, traffic on the road may cause death of many animals that utilise verge habitats or try to cross the road. The presence of motor vehicles may introduce the potential for contamination of soil, air and water adjacent to the road and in the case of surface water, well beyond the immediate surroundings. Chronic contamination may become a problem for animal species, especially those at the top of the food chain.why there was no public outcry then:- Dr Agnishekhar -Convener Panun Kashmir
Gautam Navlakha is further silent on the Mughal Road , We all would understand Gautam Navlakaha’s silence on those issues which does not suite the Hurriyat and the separatist.
After all those are with whom he prefers to share his coffee !
People like Gautam Navlakha are “Asuras.There consiousness is clouded.
These people can only write editorials and come on TV news channels, He also belongs to Hyper-Media.
Please read his editorial @ http://mrzine.monthlyreview.org/navlakha080808.html
May god offer compassion to this “Asura”.
Figures are all vague and biased.
Each Iindian knows how many of Kashimiri-Hindus where butchered,literally.
Comment by Animesh — August 10, 2008 @ 7:26 am
A very hard hitting blog on the nincompoop in chief of all HR activists, Gautum Navlakha and people like him are shivering in their boots because if 370 gets abrogated there would be no conflict in the valley and hence they will lose an important source of earning saudi petro-money! The thing is with Paki-satan imploding really quickly we might as well gobble up Gilgit and Baltistan pretty soon and as for the separatists please do not lose your Kashmir to Punjabis, Jammuites, Biharis, Kannadigas and other state people over the Amarnath’s 40 acres as once 370 is abrogated all these people will be your neighbours. Heck even I will buy one house to prove a point to these wannabe tallybunnies!
Comment by Firebrand — August 10, 2008 @ 9:44 am
People like Gautam Navlakha are traitor. They never speak the truth, always distorts facts.
Gautam Navlakha , Teesta Seetalvad……..are funded by Mullahs of Middle Eastern Countries. And they use Indian Press to confuse Indian people.
But don;t worry- as shown by people of Jammu (or people of Gujarat earlier)- these scums make no difference on the ground.
Comment by Tathagata Mukherjee — August 10, 2008 @ 4:43 pm
His comments made me sick…
http://soulinexile.blogspot.com/2008/08/mr-gautam-navlakha-i-have-objection-to.html
Self-proclaimed Human rights activists like him are a curse on India… because they have no balls to question the terrorists…
- A Soul in Exile…
Comment by Sidharth — August 10, 2008 @ 5:19 pm
Gautam Navlakha is indeed an
ISI agentwho is working as an undercover agent in India. His remarks infact is vioice of ISI which trickels from his mentors from across the POK. He ispaid by separatist leadersthrough ISI’s hawala channel to propogate their cause.Note By “TheKashmir” ;- Please refrain from making personal comments
Comment by Gautam Navlakha is ISI Agent — August 10, 2008 @ 7:15 pm
Question Of The Day: Does any one know why all Gilani’s, Mufti’s and other idots like Gautam get time to air their propaganda agains India on NDTV.
Answer: Barkha Datt has a Kashmiri Muslim boy friend, She is no less than a state dignitory when she is in Kashmir.
Comment by NDTV (Barkha Dhatt) — August 11, 2008 @ 9:28 am
People like this man [ Edited ].
Comment by sid — August 11, 2008 @ 11:18 pm
When it comes to the Government figures of the number of Muslims killed since 1989, Gautam Navlakha, Khurram Parvez and other leading lights of the kashmiri separatist movement disagree vehemently. Indeed, they claim more than double the figures.
But when the same Government asserts that the number of Pandits killed since 1989 is 209, Mr.Navlakha and his ilk take the sarkar’s word as sacrosanct.
Hypocrisy thy name is the Indian Lefty “intellectual”.
Comment by Kashmiri Soul — August 13, 2008 @ 4:47 pm
ah well …. this thing about this ***** barkha dutt may actually be true …. i am right now watchin this interview of hers with nawaz sharif….. and he welcomes her to paki— satan again …. can u imagine … ??? …… trumoil all over India and this witch is their interviewing satani … ??
and really i was thinking this as well …. how do whatever lone …a-lone sucker his name is …. get invited to all these news shows …. trp rating ???? …. so that the anti national community watches there shows?? is it ?? ….. i mean they are not even participating in the political process … so why do they get a voice here ?? sickular politics thats why ??
i saw how these hatefull maulvis were shitting in there pants in the US ….. do we ever see such a thing in India ??
Whatever modi had done in gujarat has been undone all over India by these sickular UPA government….
Its amazing how no one …. not Indian sickular media talks of the ethnic cleansing in kashmir of the pandits ever …. in the same breadth as they talk of gujarat riots even today ….
has anyone said sorry for that … ?? i heard people wanting modi to say sorry … … hilarious … i really wont mind if he says sorry and does the same when he becomes the PM sometime ….
i think he needs 2 terms as the PM to do something for this soon turning sickular country …
One thing i wud like to PLEAD to all the like minded people here is …. PLEASE PLEASE dont just talk about all this here …. GO AND VOTE in the elections for BJP AND NDA …..
u shud see why parties like sp,bsp and congress have done better last time …. bcoz the community that supports them must have come out in full numbers …
so its time we ALL RISE FOR OUR BROTHERS AND SISTERS IN KASHMIRI PANDITS….
please go and vote for BJP for their sake ….
LIVE AND LET LIVE….
Comment by chandra — August 13, 2008 @ 4:56 pm
Look again kashmir news first on NDTV
Comment by jagga — August 14, 2008 @ 8:20 am
I Cannot believe Barkha Dutt is such a traitor…she covered the Kargil War for God’s sake!
yeah she seems very definitely pro-muslim. How fair is that..”we the people” indeed!
Ha Ha!
And that Sajjad Lone…who is that idiot. Is he her boyfriend?
Comment by Pawan — August 19, 2008 @ 2:48 pm
I think we shld not pay any attention to ppl like gautam………….he also has to earn his bread……………….let him bark……….time has come for traitors to pay the price for what thy did to Kashmiri pandits……My suggestion……..we shld also try to involve the people from ladhakh………… and a propaganda war like those people……….
Comment by SirJuda — August 21, 2008 @ 5:39 am
I am not sure if Barka Dutt and all are aware of the preaching of ISLAM.
We need to come forward and discuss with people logically make them understand where problem lies.
And if they don’t understand then we are in deep trouble, it will HIT us overtime.
The problem is that they think Dehli is safe and the problem is 1000Km away, it is spreading slowly over India.
Comment by Vicky — August 21, 2008 @ 5:51 am
please again again i m requesting do not waste your worthy time on watching all types of bitch, bastards, who doesnot have any better news, then hurting hindu sentiments may it be Shriamarnath or ShriRamsethu or ShriRamjanmabhoomi or ShriKrishnajanmabhoomi or ShriKashivishvanathbhoomi or thousands of razed HinduShrines across INDIA PAKISTAN BANGLADESH AFGHANISTAN. FOR kind awareness to all my HINDU brothers & sisters, are you aware that non of the mark my words that non of our BHAGWAN JANMBHOOMI is in our hand. All this sacred worship places,,, ON WHICH MASJID ARE STANDING.HIstory will repeat it self when ALL HINDUS WILL AWAKE & RISE FOR THERE RIGHT.No body is going to come to change the scene we only have to rise for our RIGHT.Now i donot belive in making understand that how we fill.WE DO NOT NEED TO JUSTIFY OUR SELF. This the time for DIRECT ACTION. NOTHING LESS WILL DO EXCEPT, HINDU NATION, HINDURAJ. And most important is who ever, repeat who ever DO NO AGREE THEY SHOULD BE KICKED OUT OUR ONLY HINDU NATION. Now next step should be appointing our HINDU GOVERMENT WITH TAG OF ONLY HINDU NATION . Quote: ALL MUSLIM ARE NOT TERORIST BUT ALL TERORIST ARE MUSLIM. AND we should not forget damm kennth haywood who is still under scrutiny of ATS , they have not given him clean chit.This also shows involvement of UPA CONGRESS SP RJD
Comment by vid123 — August 22, 2008 @ 10:42 am
Let Kashmir go, say 40% in Jammu:
This is one more farce of English daily Times Of India which has published its report today that 40% of Jammuites think, India should let the Kashmir go. I can challenge this number any day and say confidently that not even 0.1% of Jammuites can think of this Idea. To us Kashmir and Ladhakh is integral part of J&K and to the Union Of India.
Now my question is who runs these polls? and how can Govt Of India just allow anybody to publish anything concerning and questioning sovereignty of Indian state without undermining the implications.
All the bloggers “Requesting you to Comment” and “Give your Poll on this question” so that it comes out very clearly what are the aspirations of people of Jammu.
Times Of India and other English media reporting on J&K are opinion builders of the nation and by doing this disservice to the nation they are just helping the nation to beak away and at the same time giving food for people like Arundhiti, Shabana, Javed Akhtar and Teesta to fee on.
“I AS A JAMMUITE CONTRADICT THIS POLL”
“That perhaps explains why Jammu was the only one of the nine cities that had a majority saying India should let Kashmir go. As many as 58% said the human and economic cost of holding on to Kashmir was not worth it, and only 14% had the opposite view”
Comment by Voice Of Jammu — August 24, 2008 @ 4:48 am
Love to Leave for Muzzafrabad ?
The road to Muzzafrabad is picturesque, and the you(Kashmiris) hell bent to be there.but a candid appeal to them is that please do not proceed to Muzaffarabad since it can be very unwise to decide to refuge at that place which is ravaged, hunger struck, uncivilized, high seismic zone, under the nascent state Pakistan and last but not the least a crime prone,drug dealing and a fanatic Muslim area where anyone finds the neighbour a barbaric uncompassionate – too much inappropriate for you to deal with.
This side of the border, the Pakistani flag earns ‘you’ a fortune when you get paid the desired ransom for entreating you not hoist it But that side, you will get no booty from either flag.
Your fruit sells exorbitantly here but that side your fruit will rot without buyers.
What else will you pay to them to keep your truckloads returning safely. May be, even your trucks don’t return either.
Please do not cross over for your weak enterprise can not convert Muzzafrabad and the rest of Pakistan into a democracy like India where you enjoy unruffled transit upto Kanyakumari, where you have an identity, where you don’t pay taxes and yet not lashed for too little of contribution to the state exchequer, Art.370 prevents your social and political existence, where you get daily provisions at a 70% discount of the prices at Muzzafrabad, where a single coolie at Amarnath Shrine route demands the ferrying price equal to twice the helicopter ride to the shrine and yet gets paid by a kind Maharashtrian who takes pity on him comparing him to be the ‘Shiv Shankar’s’ ordinated help, very like the Hindu saint who rewarded the re-discoverer of the Amarnath cave -Buta Malik- with a bag of Gold in 1850. Indian tourists reimburse you astonishingly for your too costly Shikara ride or an overnight houseboat stay.
Kindly do not proceed to Muzzafrabad. You may find no schools and colleges for your children. No beauty parlours for your beautiful life partners. Drinking water and electricity are misnomers there. Hospitals and means of communication as non existent as law keepers and human right mechanisms, neither roads nor flights operate there. You think that as soon you reach there, the Muzzafrabadi’s will lay a red carpet for you -wrong- they may meet you with daggers and blunt slaughter knives that you use to kill your sheep to make them a fit foodstuff. There is no IPC or RPC in vogue. The Shariat Law has very tough provisions for if you want to be as treacherous to them as you are to India.
It is begged brothers ! our dear Kashmiri brothers ! Kindly do not for God’s sake even think of it for we are concerned about you.
Please stick to this soil only for it has forgiveness for you despite implementing the hot pursuit of state minorities. There is a social and political amnesty for you despite shunting out minority community from Government employments and for making the state of J&K the most corrupt Indian State. In this imbroglio
you were declared winners by the central team when they returned without any pacific sop for Jammu.
There is a recent economic aid declared for you Kashmiris despite the losss to Jammu region is too much burgeoning than yours.
What you and the media declared as an Economic Blockade was never known and shown as the death of the Jammu household that had to sell even the last pieces copper and brass of the house to keep the life running.
While your contribution to Indian Freedom struggle despite being too miniscule, the effects are equally shared by you and the India freedom equally ascribed to you even without a single martyr having laid its life for the Indian freedom. Where you are still called secular without a question to you as to why you kicked out 5 lakh Kashmiri Pandits on the dictums of Taliban at its unabashed best.
If you still love to leave, god may enforce the best fortune for you.
VIKRANT SHARMA
Comment by vikrant sharma — August 27, 2008 @ 6:05 am
to all the KM’s who want partition, this is a comment published in times of india by a user.
“You are asking a partition based on religion. Third option is widely acceptable. I am not sure what do you meant by “It will cause death and destruction”. Are you threatening 100 crores of people which includes Hindus,Muslims,Christians,Sikh,Jain,Buddhist etc etc… and make their life hell? Too bad and communal buddy…Not good for the nation and for the Islam… And about POK, I dont think pakistanis will allow POK to be independent. I dont see any attempts for that in the other side. No agitation or protest at all. So, what does that mean? This happens in India because you can do whatever you want in a democracy??? See this article below from a columnist. No offense intended, but just a fact:: A Kashmiri Muslim student came to see me last week and it was not long before our conversation turned to the current azadi wave in the valley. He did not think that an independent Kashmir was viable, and its only choice was either to be with India or with Pakistan. After a pause he asked guilelessly, why was India a democracy and Pakistan an autocracy? This set me thinking. I told him that Pakistan was more the norm – Third World countries do not generally become stable democracies. India is an exception. India’s democracy and Pakistan’s autocracy have deep roots in history. India’s nationalist movement was older and more widespread. Millions of ordinary Indians were drawn in by Mahatma Gandhi. Muslim nationalism emerged later and did not become a mass movement – Jinnah was more comfortable in the drawing room rather than the ‘dusty road’. While Indians prepared for democracy over three generations, Pakistanis-to-be got the itch only a couple of years before independence. After independence, Pakistan’s politicians performed abysmally. The Muslim League Party disintegrated; there were nine governments in 10 years and the army under Ayub Khan seized power in 1958. Jinnah’s great error was to impose Urdu as the national language when only 8% of Pakistanis spoke Urdu and 55% spoke Bengali. Thus, he sowed the seeds of Bangladesh. Sri Lanka made the same tragic mistake. India did not succumb to this anti-democratic temptation by imposing Hindi. This is how India gave space for sub-identities to flourish, allowed the rise of peoples’ leaders from linguistic states, and deepened democracy. Although his slogan in the 1945-46 elections in undivided India was ‘Islam is in danger’, Jinnah wanted to build a modern nation. Even though General Zia-ul-Haq reinforced theological priority, i do not believe Islam prevents Pakistan from being democratic. The rise of Islamism does tear the ordinary Pakistani’s loyalty between the brotherhood and the state, but the maulvi is not Pakistan’s natural leader as in Iran. The chief obstacle to democracy is the army. Hence, i am relieved that Musharraf is gone. It does create a vacuum that might be filled by extremists, but in the longer term the best thing for India is to have a democratic Pakistan. For a brief moment in the mid-1970s the two nations seemed to converge. Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto began to steer Pakistan towards genuine democracy while Indira Gandhi took India on the path of dictatorship. The paths diverged after 1977 as Mrs Gandhi called an election and Bhutto was executed by Zia in 1979. India returned to the path of democracy, whose binding glue is the liberal notion that all Indians are equal citizens before the law, owing loyalty to the Constitution. This is a British legacy. Before that we were a collection of communities and kingdoms. Although we still feel loyal to our caste or community, we are different from the tragic Pakistanis whose land has been hijacked by the military. Once there is military rule you get a state within a state. You are powerless to stop your secret service from creating monsters like the Taliban and before you know it your country has become the world’s top university for terrorists. I then turned to my young Kashmiri friend. He wished more Kashmiris could come and see India’s vibrant democracy, its confident economy and the rise of the low-born. “There is a simple choice before all Kashmiris,” he said. “If you want to be a citizen of a modern democracy with unparalleled opportunities, you will choose self-assured India. If you believe that Islam is in danger and you want the army’s protection, you will choose tragic Pakistan.”
bye………..till next
venkat
Comment by venkat — August 28, 2008 @ 7:44 am
Well friends. All u need to ‘ve is courage which u dont ‘ve. Gautam is one among u but he’s got the courage to accept truth. Leave all aside. Just ponder about the root cause of kashmir issue. It’s all about the unfulfiled promises that India has made to the people of kashmir. Let me remind u the words of your the then prime minister of India…..” Kashmir is not the property of either India or pakistan. It belongs to the people of kashmir. When kashmir acceded to India we made it clear to the leaders of kashmir that we wud ultimately abide by the verdict of their plebiscite. If they tell us to walk out, I wud ‘ve on hesitation in quitting. We’ve left the final solution to the people of kashmir and we’re determined to abide by their decision”. Prime minister of India. Jawahar Lal nehru. 2nd january 1952….. Well kashmir has always been a disputed property between India and pakistan endorsed by UNITED NATIONS ORGANISATIONS. If u people ‘ve a courage then u should accept the reality if u really claim to be the largest democracy, demon-crazy infact.
Comment by Tolerance lost — August 31, 2008 @ 7:54 am
adaam,
let only kashmiri read my letter,
panun kashmir ki channel/ website
main booz yeh chi khoshir bata n banav mic , dopmaye mahra h thoda sharam ker che chuy wari kare wapas kasheeri yun, duniya chi dooor , na ralan kashir musalman baki dunyaken musalman sheet , te na ralaan kashir bata ( pandit) bakiyen hinden seth
asss mahara chu panun culture panien alag akh lasun basun
ch en ye site chi sirf doorerar bad rawan,, baki chi tohi marzi
wa re ruziew
Comment by arshad — September 15, 2008 @ 6:32 pm
arshad,
I have not been favoring PK a month ago because I was ignorant about what is going around world and what world thinks about islam … believe me …
a month ago i used to take pity on you guys but not now ….. because i can see what islam is upto … enough of sites are there and evidences and history speaks about it too ….
our ancestors made mistake by trusting you guys we will not , yes if we have to return we will like to have panun kashmir where there are only KP’s ….
We can’t trust you guys …. you will backstab our coming generations … it is in your blood …..
This is not what i am only saying but 100% of KP’s whome I know also speak the same .
“aasi chunu wani ekwat rozun”
Peace
Comment by Vicky — September 15, 2008 @ 6:56 pm
adaam,
ARSHAD SAIB
NAMASKAR MARAH SAIN TARPHE THI
let only kashmiri read my letter,
MARZI CHEIN BEI KYA WANAY
panun kashmir ki channel/ website
main booz yeh chi khoshir bata n banav mic , dopmaye mahra h thoda sharam ker che chuy wari kare wapas kasheeri yun, duniya chi dooor , na ralan kashir musalman baki dunyaken musalman sheet , te na ralaan kashir bata ( pandit) bakiyen hinden seth
asss mahara chu panun culture panien alag akh lasun basun
ch en ye site chi sirf doorerar bad rawan,
YE SITE CHI ASI NAZDIK AANAN, DOORER KAITE CHI BADAVAN, YELI NEI NEBERIM MUSALMAN AASIE KOSH KARAY TELI KYAZI HETITHAK BANDOOK ASI MARNI KHATRI—- MASHEEDAN MEINJ KYAZI DEVNAVITH NAARIE — HUM KO KYA CHAIHAYA — NIZAN E MUSTAFA, ASI GACHI YETI PAKISTAN BATAV ROUS THI BATNAV SAAN — TAMI VEIZI AAYIY NA KHAR GOODIKI MANDACH — YELI BATA KORIEN SEIT KORVU ZINAH — YELI TIM MARVI —- TAMI VISI AASTHA PANIN MANDACH DICHMICH ISLAMAS — KYA KORNAY AAM ISLAMAN YA MUHAMADAN — MARNAIVNEIVA NA —–
TAMI VEIZI AAYIY NA MANDACH YELI PANIN SHUIR SUIZTHECK PAKISTAN JEHAD BANANA KHATARI — CHANAN SHURAYAN TI PAKISTANAN AAYA NA MANDACH YELI NEI CHEIN SHUR THI TRAVIKH– PRICH TIMEN YIM PAKISTAN TARI PAKISTANIV LACH NA TIMAN —
CHE KATI CHUKH YETHA BOOTH ANAN — SOINCH PANA ISLAM KYA CHUVA VANAN — QURANAS MEINJ KYA CHUVA LEIKITH— PAR WARA THI MATLAB SAMIJ
AAS YEMIV KASHIRI WARA KARA YELI ISLAM NEIS TI NABOOD GACHI NA KHALI KASHIRI MANJ BALKI PURA DUNIYAHAS MANJ —-
, baki chi tohi marzi
SONCH PAR QURAN TI SAMAJ — PATA CHI PANIN MARZI
wa re ruziew
TOHI TI AUR ZUV TI DHOR KOTH —- ISLAMAS WARAY…..
ANIL
IS IT CONFIRMED THAT I AM KASHMIRI PANDIT NAMASKAR
Comment by koul Anil — September 15, 2008 @ 7:03 pm
anil ji ,
yeman hasa chu san chada chalan
I hope you understand what I mean by that time
Peace
Comment by Vicky — September 15, 2008 @ 7:09 pm
TORUM FIKRI SANA 14
POZ WANUVA MARAH —
THEY THOUGHT THAT ANIL KOUL IS ANY OTHER HINDU THAT TALKS ABOUT KASHMIR —- MUST HAVE GIVEN HIM A CULTURAL SHOCK —
ISLAM WILL USE TERRORISTS AND FIGHT WITH GUNS
WE WILL FIGHT BACK JUST WITH PENS
TRUTH WILL BE VICTORIOUS
IN QURAN THERE IS A SAYING:
IN ALLAH HU MUSABRIN
GOD IS WITH THE PEOPLE OF PATIENCE — SOUNDS GREAT BUT WHEN U USE THE CONTEXT IT SAYS
GOD IS WITH THE PEOPLE OF PATIENCE WHO WAIT PATIENTLY AND AMBUSH THE NON BELIEVERS —-
WE ARE NON BELEIVERS — AND THEY ARE TRYING TO AMBUSH US — HA HA HA
ANIL
Comment by koul Anil — September 15, 2008 @ 7:16 pm
what a shame see how pakistan shows kashmiri muslim middle finger
http://www.greaterkashmir.com/full_story.asp?Date=16_9_2008&ItemID=41&cat=1
learn u fools greater kashmir is islam biased paper in any case….
have fun
anil
Comment by koul Anil — September 15, 2008 @ 8:54 pm
I AM AMAZED AT THIS YOUNG MUSLIM AND ALI SINA’S RESPONSE TO HIM PLEASE READ:
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Devout Muslim Leaves Islam in Weeks
by Mr. I
04 June, 2007
A neo-apostate, nick-named Mr. I, wrote the following letter to Dr Ali Sina of Faithfreedom.org:
I wish to share with you about how I became an apostate of Islam. It all started around 6 months ago when I decided to hear what the apostate of Islam had to say. However, I used to pray 5 times a day without fail and also I used to read the Koran before bedtime. It is hard for me to believe that even though I prayed daily and read the Koran, it took me only a few weeks to stop praying Allah after reading this site, mainly reading about the testimonies of those who left Islam.
I was shocked at first when I read most of their testimonies. I was speechless when I read your site, and when I saw that you were making a reference to the Koran during one of your debates. I immediately took out my Koran with English translation just to check on weather you were telling the truth, and yes to my shock, you are telling the truth about Islam. I was speechless. Then I started to do a little bit of research myself and I found this: “created man, out of a (mere) clot of congealed blood” al-’alaq:2, translated by Yusuff Ali.
From here on, I started to doubt. I don’t know Ali Sina, but however I feel that Islam doesn’t really sink in to me when I was still a Muslim. I think that is why I am able to left this religion so quickly. I think that I was forcing myself.. Around a few weeks ago, I remember when you e-mailed me to stop bury my head under the sand, that, in an instant, I announced myself as an apostate on the forum. But until now, I still cannot believe to the fact that I am already an apostate. I even feel that I have an ‘evil’ side of me, much like a split personality, and I wish that I was being given a pill that could change my emotion and I also wished that I could just bury my head under the sand and pretend not to know anything. but I know that in life, when you have doubt, you don’t ignore them, because that is what keeps them growing. You just have to clear those doubts. But I wasn’t able to. Instead, I find more doubts. I also seek for answers from my dad, since he used to teach at the madrassas (islamic school). But his answers do not satisfy me. Right now, as I typed these words, I don’t know myself anymore. I felt weird when I left Islam and when I think that God does not exist. Now, I feel that I stand in between an atheist or an agnostic, But more towards atheist. However, I would like to be known as a freethinker as I want to free my mind, free from any kind of belief. That it about me.
A question about your book: You said that your book attacks the very foundation of Islam and when they read, people will start to asking questions. I mean, just how many Muslims are willing to hear other opinions? Not many. And just how many people actually read this kind books? There’s already a Muslim congressmen in the US. People leaving Islam, but I also heard from my dad that more people are converting to Islam (he doesn’t know that I already apostatized, because he will kill me if he knew that. He told me quite a few times. Are you sure Islam will end? Because if I’m correct, if your book did cause people to question about Islam, I will witness the end of Islam either when I’m already working or when I’m doing my studies at the university. That is all.
Regards,
Mr. I
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Ali Sina’s response:
Dear Mr. I,
I am glad you were able to see the truth and have realized that Islam is false. The strange feeling of denial, shock, confusion, guilt, sadness, and even anger after finding the truth is normal. You may even feel that you have done something terribly wrong and will want to revert back to Islam. This is all part of the process of enlightenment. We all went through these stages. I call them the seven valleys from faith to enlightenment.
It does not matter whether you call yourself an apostate or not. Even if you call yourself a Muslim, continue praying the Islamic prayers, fast and do everything Islamic, life will never be the same for you again. You are out of the womb of ignorance. You are born in a new world where everything is different. Babies cry when they are born. That is because they know nothing about this world and all they feel is that they are separated from the only world that they know. Birth was a painful experience for all of us and I don’t think anyone wanted it to happen. The comfort of the known and the fear of the unknown is what keep us from making the leaps necessary for your growth.
I have seen many people, including yours truly, who could not let go and vacillated between faith and disbelief for a long time. However, once you learn the truth, there is no unlearning it. One can go back and fool himself for a few more years trying to keep his head under the sand, but at the end he will have no choice but to resign to the fact that he is out of that paradise of ignorance and should move on.
You do not have to say anything to your father or to anyone about leaving Islam. Keep going to the mosque if your father asks you to and pretend praying and fasting if necessary. You are out of Islam and Islam is out of you no matter what you do, say or think. I can say that many people who have left Islam are still in the forum of FFI defending it. I can see that they are no longer Muslims but they like to live in denial for now as admitting the truth is too painful. Eventually they will admit it too. There is no hurry. We are not recruiting people to do anything. We are spreading knowledge. Each person has his or her own pace of growth. It took you six months, it took me two years. Some people do it in days and others in years.
You say that now that you left Islam, it feels strange not to believe in God. But who said you should abandon the belief in God? God has nothing to do with Muhammad and Islam. If you choose not to believe in God, that is your choice, but you must not think that by leaving Islam you have to leave God. Many apostates, including myself, felt that we found God, the real God, after letting go of our fear of Allah, the sadistic god of Muhammad.
Apostasy is knowledge. You do not have to do anything to be an apostate. There are no baptisms, shahada or initiation rituals. Once you have the knowledge of the truth, you can no longer believe in lies and absurdities. The next step is to spread this knowledge. Do that with caution (hikmat) and if you live in a Muslim country, as I imagine you do, use only the Internet to speak out your mind.
Welcome to the world of enlightenment. Your real growth has just begun. Now that you have become a freethinker and a critical thinker, you are on your own to find the realities of life. Freedom entails responsibility. Now it is your responsibility to choose the right path and live the right way.
Yes Islam will not last this century. This century will be the century of free information and this means the end of Islam. Ignorance and knowledge cannot live side by side. Islam is ignorance and ignorance will dissipate once knowledge is spread like darkness that vanishes with the introduction of light. For 1400 years Muslims managed to keep the darkness by not letting the light in. That is no longer possible.
The book I have written is about the psychology of Muhammad and why he did what he did. No one can read that book and not be affected. It will shed a lot of light on the mind of Muhammad and one cannot help but accept that the founder of Islam was indeed a psychopath. The proof is overwhelming. It will be available for purchase next week.
Wish you the best.
Ali Sina
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DEAR FELLOW MUSLIMS WAS I WRONG WHEN I SAID THE WAVE IS GOING ON AND WORLD IS CHANGING —–
SOURCE FOR ABOVE IS :
http://www.islam-watch.org/LeavingIslam/Devout-Muslim-Leaves-Islam-in-Weeks-Thanks-to-Ex-Muslims.htm
ANIL
Comment by koul Anil — September 15, 2008 @ 10:29 pm
So the elections in Kashmir have been an astounding success …
lone boy… mufti raand … omar haramu …. all wanted the elections not to happen ….
stating that the awaam is against elections …
and we see the ground situation …
the truth is the people have seen the “peace” that comes after elections and after having your own government and people saw the chaos and deaths caused by hurriyat and mufti raand out of nothing ….
THE RESULTS ARE FOR THE WORLD TO SEE ALTHOUGH THE WORLD LOOKS WITH SKEWED EYES …
LONG LIVE INDIAN DEMOCRACY …
JAI HIND …
Comment by chandra — December 7, 2008 @ 6:37 am
the call for the boycott was given by the “SEPERATISTS” …. and even if they were “JAILED” … their “idea” was very much in the air…
Now the question is why did the kashmiris did not follow the idea???
negative people will say that they did it for “bijli sadak and paani” ….
i would ask them … is freedom movement to be sacrificed for these things ?????
NO… it does not ….
people have come out in hordes to select there people and GIVEN A THUMBS DOWN TO THE PAKISTANI SEPERATISTS …
KASHMIR PEOPLE SHOULD KNOW BY NOW WHERE PAKISTAN IS … DOES KASHMIR WANT TO GO THE SAME WAY???
where are barkha raand and other “pseudo seculars” who saw the rallies in “srinagar” as will of all the kashmiris … now they will be nicely blinded …
they wont see the 60% voting in winter chill against the very same seperatists … as the will of the people…
GOD BLESS INDIA…
Comment by chandra — December 7, 2008 @ 6:43 am
It is not Pakistanis who have to be blamed for terrorism but many of the pseudeo secularits in India and the public front of these terrrorists in India like Gautam Navlakha , shabana azmi, teesta setelvad and their organizations etc. We should also check if these ngos are funded by petro dollars. As an individual we can also participate against terrrorism by not using petrol at all and go for alternate sources of energy.
Comment by sam — December 12, 2008 @ 12:12 am
The “change” hasnt come about in delhi
…
i guess some more “Delhiites” need to die before they would open their eyes…
I have one question to the people of delhi …
“WHO DID THE BUS BLASTS IN KALKAJI”?
“WHO DID THE BLASTS IN SAROJINI NAGAR”?
any clues given by the government?
SADLY THE VALUE OF LIFE IN OUR COUNTRY IS SO POOR THAT WE SUPPORT “DEVELOPMENT” WITHOUT THE RIGHT TO LIFE…
I HOPE THE GOVERNMENT DOES SOMETHING ABOUT THE SECURITY FIRST THAN “DEVELOPMENT” …
I HOPE INDIANS WILL STOP LOOSING THEIR LIVES ON BUS STOPS AND TRAIN STATIONS …
I STILL HOPE
…
THERE IS ANOTHER CHANCE IN MAY ….
I WILL GIVE IT A SHOT AGAIN ….
GOD BLESS INDIA …
Comment by chandra — December 12, 2008 @ 5:51 am
After Chadrayaan-1,
Mr. Zardari (10%), Gilani, LET masood, JUD Hafiz meet to discuss indias probe to moon.
Hafiz: how can india terrorise us by sending a probe to moon (Remember according to islam CHAND is their holy object) when we them( india)attack on earth, this is cheating, we have to go to UN with protest.
Zardari: dont worry we will ask AQ KHAN to become father of SPACE program (he can import tech from china and korea and become its father as in earlier cases).
Masood interrupts: so that we can be the first country to put a “terrornomer” ( equal to astronomer but with a AK47 & a chinese grenade)on moon and kill all the infidels & their satelites.
Gilani puts in: ya.. we can show the world what we are capable of.
Hafiz protests: according to islam we have to do ULTA if others send rocket & man to space why cant we send rocket and “terrornomer” below earth.
Hamid Mir, Geo TV joins in: we will whip up all the sentiments about this project, if we suceed w will say we have over taken the world and included moon also in our list to export our holy warriors. if it fails we will attribute the failure to HINDU-MOSSAD-ZIONIST sabotage.
They try to send the rocket named “JIHAD” with “terrornomer” but it fails. (DOWNWARDS to the earth)
INDIAN english media, Rajdeep Sardesai: Mr. Modi sabotaged pakistani space program, we have to consider this as terrorism on pakistan, poor country it is devastated. whole of BJP, RSS, VHP, HINDUS are mainly reponsible.
Manmohan Singh: madame sonia gandhi is deeply hurt because of modi’s act of terror on pakistan, we will extradite him to pakistan to stand trial.
” Indian People never think how Mr. Modi is reponsible for this, they never think”
Comment by venkat — December 14, 2008 @ 9:21 am
lol … venkat …
it true … Indian people never think .. they never do …
Comment by chandra — December 15, 2008 @ 10:39 am
Thanks Chandra,
even though it is a joke, that is what is happening in india. it is paining me a lot lot to see what these morons congress govt is doing after the attack.
some day in near future, Barkha Dutt will seat next to AJMAL KASAB in “we the people” show & make the whole of india listen to the “poor mans” acheivement.
congress & UPA are such a………….@@%$#@$#%$%$^%$
venkat
Comment by venkat — December 15, 2008 @ 11:16 am
i cant help but laugh at all this …
this government is a joke …
one thing is for sure …
congress is using all the tricks that it has learnt by stayin in power for all the history that we know …
i hope things will change … i still hope …
LONG LIVE INDIA …
Comment by chandra — December 16, 2008 @ 7:04 am
the fact is the educated “rich” people dont care about the lives of the people that were lost on the streets of delhi … on VT station … in Assam …
so all that is forgotten so easily ….
I DID NOT EVEN SEE THE CARNAGE ON VT STATION … TILL AFTER A FEW DAYS OF THE THING …
NO CHANNEL COVERED IT … BUSY WITH TAJ AND OBEROI …
there were only them saying that the terrorists sprayed bullets there and then ran and one of them were caught by the police …
it is a sad state of affairs …
Comment by chandra — December 16, 2008 @ 7:07 am
VERY TRUE READ BELOW:
KULDEEP
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A German’s View on Islam
A man, whose family was German aristocracy prior to World War II, owned a number of large industries and estates. When asked how many German people were true Nazis, the answer he gave can guide our attitude toward fanaticism. ‘Very few people were true Nazis,’ he said, ‘but many enjoyed the return of German pride, and many more were too busy to care. I was one of those who just thought the Nazis were a bunch of fools. So, the majority just sat back and let it all happen. Then, before we knew it, they owned us, and we had lost control, and the end of the world had come. M y family lost everything. I ended up in a concentration camp and the Allies destroyed my factories.’
We are told again and again by ‘experts’ and ‘talking heads’ that Islam is the religion of peace, and that the vast majority of Muslims just want to live in peace. Although this unqualified assertion may be true, it is entirely irrelevant. It is meaningless fluff, meant to make us feel better, and meant to somehow diminish the spectra of fanatics rampaging across the globe in the name of Islam.
The fact is that the fanatics rule Islam at this moment in history. It is the fanatics who march. It is the fanatics who wage any one of 50 shooting wars worldwide.
It is the fanatics who systematically slaughter Christian or tribal groups throughout Africa and are gradually taking over the entire continent in an Islamic wave.
It is the fanatics who bomb, behead, murder, or honor- kill.
It is the fanatics who take over mosque after mosque.
It is the fanatics who zealously spread the stoning and hanging of rape victims and homosexuals. It is the fanatics who teach their young to kill and to become suicide bombers.
The hard quantifiable fact is that the peaceful majority, the ’silent majority,’ is cowed and extraneous.
Communist Russia was comprised of Russians who just wanted to live in peace, yet the Russian Communists were responsible for the murder of about 20 million people. The peaceful majority were irrelevant.
China ’s huge population was peaceful as well, but Chinese Communists managed to kill a staggering 70 million people.
The average Japanese individual prior to World War II was not a warmongering sadist. Yet, Japan murdered and slaughtered its way across South East Asia in an orgy of killing that included the systematic murder of 12 million Chinese civilians; most killed by sword, shovel, and bayonet.
And, who can forget Rwanda , which collapsed into butchery. Could it not be said that the majority of Rwandans were ‘peace loving’?
History lessons are often incredibly simple and blunt, yet for all our posers of reason we often miss the most basic and uncomplicated of points: Peace-loving Muslims have been made irrelevant by their silence.
Peace-loving Muslims will become our enemy if they don’t speak up, because like my friend from Germany , they will awaken one day and find that the fanatics own them, and the end of their world will have begun.
Peace-loving Germans, Japanese, Chinese, Russians, Rwandans, Serbs, Afghans, Iraqis, Palestinians, Somalis, Nigerians, Algerians, and many others have died because the peaceful majority did not speak up until it was too late.
As for us who watch it all unfold, we must pay attention to the only group that counts; the fanatics who threaten our way of life.
Lastly, anyone who doubts that the issue is serious and just deletes this email without sending it on, is contributing to the passiveness that allows the problems to expand. So, extend yourself a bit and send this on and on and on! Let us hope that thousands, worldwide, read this and think about it, and send it on – before it’s too late.
Emanuel Tanay, M .D.
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Comment by Koul Anil — December 16, 2008 @ 3:58 pm
Let us run an email campaign against these people, requesting our brotherhood all over the world to boycott any and all TV programmes/channels where they appear/contribute/work in.
This campaign should highlight their misdeeds, excerpts from published articles, interviews, their personal profile, family history etc to make people aware of the sinister designs of these bunch of pseudo-seculars.
Sitting at home and writing on blogs will not stop them. They are masters of propaganda. They need to be defeated in their own game.
Vande Mataram !!!
Comment by Ashutosh — September 24, 2009 @ 1:43 am
I would go a step further than what has been suggested by Ashutosh. These roaches should be beaten in public. Every time they step out of their homes (rat holes) then should be [ deleted ] in public. Enough of taking India and Indians for granted. Time to [ deleted ] them on their heads and making them realize their pathetic existence.
Comment by Raj — October 8, 2009 @ 4:33 am
A continuation of my previous message …buy them I mean [ deleted ] like Navlakha, Mahasweta devi, Aparna Sen and any one else that supports a terroist organization or its ideology overtly or covertly etc etc. Nothing less than a public denunciation by these people of maoist philosophy, actions, ideology or movement should be tolerated. These people who make a hole in the very plate they eat need to be [ deleted ] till they see living daylights.
Indians rise up.
Comment by Raj — October 8, 2009 @ 4:35 am
Can Gautam Navlakha be [Deleted by Moderator ] ?
Comment by Nikhil — October 8, 2009 @ 4:55 am
Dear Readers,
It is better to counter a viewpoint with details rather than sounding loud and offensive.
I request you to kindly post well thought comments where intellectual people would start thinking .
Pls consider that freedom of speech should not mean expression of unlawful sentiments.
Comment by TheKashmir — October 8, 2009 @ 6:42 am
U all suck………..Propaganda and only propaganda.Indians who see the truth u all label them as anti indians..Be it gautam navlakha,the booker price winner arundhati roy and many others….Grown up and o[pen your eyes.come to kashmir and see the reality…And itz true that only 209 K.p’s were killed in comparision more than 90000 kashmiri muslims were killed………………..The repoprt filled byb kashmiri police that only 209 k.ps died iz true.Here iz a leading indian newspaper telling about it
http://www.indianexpress.com/news/209-kashmiri-pandits-killed-since-1989-say-jk-cops-in-first-report/305457/0
…Now tell me will this report be wrong and your saying that former IGP rubbished the reports,show me the link or proof of where ever he said that the report iz false…….All lies……….May god save the world from your lies……
Comment by Muzi — October 28, 2009 @ 6:11 am
Muzi . you are wrong . The police has not prepeared any such report . Ingfact the IGP Sahay has said ‘“We have not prepared any such report and don’t know what these media reports are alluding to,” Kashmir IGP SM Sahay told Sakaal Times. The six pages long report is said to list more names of more than 1500 minorities,…’
Just check for yourself http://shivamvij.com/2008/05/10/report-on-pandit-killings-rekindles-communal-fissures-in-valley/
Do not spread lies . That is not a good human being .
Comment by Altaf Hussain — October 28, 2009 @ 6:18 am