….UN resolutions on Kashmir did not come under Chapter 7 of the UN charter and were, therefore, not self-enforcing. Unlike the resolutions on East Timor and Iraq, which come under that particular chapter, the Kashmir resolutions require the cooperation of both parties for implementation……[ March 2001 During his brief interaction with the media at Pakistan's Chakala military ]
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I would like to bring your attention to the regular accusation that India didnot give right to self determaination to Kashmiris.I am producing the copy of the UN Resolution on Cease fire and Truce from the site
http://www.kashmiri-cc.ca/un/sc13aug48.htm
-RESOLUTION ADOPTED BY THE UNITED NATIONS COMMISSION FOR INDIA AND PAKISTAN ON 13 AUGUST 1948. (DOCUMENT NO. S/1100, PARA 75, DATED THE 9TH NOVEMBER, 1948)
The resolution cleary states
1.The presence of troops of Pakistan in the territory of the State of Jammu and Kashmir constitutes a material change in the situation and the Government of Pakistan agrees to withdraw its troops from that State….
Question1.Did the Government of Pakistan removed its forces from the State of Kashmir as per UN Resolution of 1948?
2.The Government of Pakistan will use its best endeavor to secure the withdrawal from the State of Jammu and Kashmir of tribesmen and Pakistan nationals …………..
Question 2.So The UN agreed that pashtun tribals who were not a part of kashmir were fighting along with army regulars.Do u agree?
3.Pending a final solution the territory evacuated by the Pakistan troops will be administered by the local authorities under the surveillance of the Commission…….. the Indian Government will maintain within the lines existing at the moment of cease-fire the minimum strength of its forces which in agreement with the Commission are considered necessary to assist local authorities in the observance of law and order.
Question 3.When the UN commission decided that Indian forces are to be kept to maintain minimum law and order did Pakistan vacate POK or Azad Kashmir as per insrtuctions of the United Nations?
4..When the Commission shall have notified the Government of India that the tribesmen and Pakistan nationals referred to in Part II A 2 hereof have withdrawn……
Question4 Has Pakistan notified the UN or Party to dispute “India” about tribseman and Pakistani nationals withdrawing from Kashmir?.
There is a misunderstanding that the resolution contained only a plebisite.If u check the resolution it contains three steps in sequence
a)Cease Fire(was implemented and the result is present day LOC)
b)Truce agreement(produced above)
c)Plebisite
Often the plebisite is quoted by pakistani authoritiues without the mention of truce agreement.The logical step should be implement Cease fire—Truce agreement—and then Plebisite for kashmiris to determine their fate.
Comment by Abhishek Majumdar — September 2, 2006 @ 4:50 am
this is not matter that i am pakistani but i do not agree with Abhishek that pakistan always insists plebisite without Truce agrrmet, Frenkely speaking either India has intention to follow the ceasefire…Truce agreement seriously though its fact that mjority of muslim were more than Hindo when the hour or of independence was strucked in 1947.
Comment by shasita Shamim — December 27, 2006 @ 6:11 am
[...] Re: The Kashmir Resolutions – Explanations for Salim Let’s, therefore, not speak as if we are ‘grass’. Understand the reality. Understand the complications 60years of inaction has done and how the world views the issue now. And then, talk. Here is what Kofi Anan, the Secretary General of the UN had to say: August 28, 2006 UN Resolution On Kashmir Irrelevant – Kofi Anan Filed under: Kashmir, Quotes for Thought, Terrorism In Kashmir, UN — vicharnaag @ 7:25 am ….UN resolutions on Kashmir did not come under Chapter 7 of the UN charter and were, therefore, not self-enforcing. Unlike the resolutions on East Timor and Iraq, which come under that particular chapter, the Kashmir resolutions require the cooperation of both parties for implementation……[ March 2001 During his brief interaction with the media at Pakistan’s Chakala military ] UN Resolution On Kashmir Irrelevant – Kofi Anan The Kashmir [...]
Pingback by The Kashmir Resolutions - Explanations for Salim — October 22, 2007 @ 8:15 am
First question is that the accession of Kashmir to India was real or not. It has also been suggested that either the signature (on the Instrument of Accession) was forged, the date changed, or the whole document was fabricated .The authenticity of the Instrument of Accession and the accession itself has remained an issue of dispute between India and Pakistan. There are no tribesmen in Kashmir today yet the UN Resoluations are there.If Pakistan uniletterly would have withdrawn from Kashmir, Azad Kashmir would not be in existence. Remember Junagadh, Hyderabad ,and Goa?
Comment by Muhammad Ayub — March 26, 2008 @ 6:49 pm
“AND WE DID IT”
16th. March 2008, over a feast at Jammu, in honour of our Muslim neighbour in kashmir while chatting, I asked Mohumud Yousuf Qureshi to educate me about the Kashmir Issue. He plainly said: “We hardly know what Kashmir Issue is. We are told for settlement of the Kashmir Issue. We feel there must be some issue known to our exploiters. So we second the slogan”. In 1947, the issue was to chase Pakistan forces from Srinagar, Budgam, Baramulla and Kupwara. And we did it with a stick and slogan:”Hamla aver khaburdar hum kashmiri hain teiar”. 1953, the slogan was for plebiscite and we did it. 1975 we were asked to bury the slogan of plebiscite and we buried it. 1975 we were asked to welcome the PM of India in a river procession and follow Shiekh Abdullah’s instructions and we raised the slogan brinjal or gourd Shiekh makes us, we agree to his dictations. We danced to the tune” Ale karenga wangun karenga bubh karenga bub karenga. 1965 we were asked to social boycott the Indian Congress and one Muslim son burnt the coffin of his mother who had died at the residence of her son affiliated to the Indian national Congress. 1975 Shiekh formed the government over the majority of the Congress MLAs; we welcomed the congress gesture despite our 1965 boycott. We were asked to mourn the death of Bhutoo or the Shiekh, we did it. We were asked to burn and destroy the orchards of Jamat Islamis for Butoo’s assassination in Pakistan, we did it in Kashmir. To avenge his downfall in 1984, Farooq conspired and we were asked to send our children for military training across the border and we did it. Now our children in POK(Pakistan Occupied Kashmir) got there married and they have their own family and children there. We are asked to lodge a missing report here in Kashmir and we did it to defame the government and the security forces. We were asked to hound Kashmiri Pundits in 1990 and we did it. We were asked to spread rumours that Jag Mohan asked KPs to quit and we did it. 1990 we were asked to welcome the hounded raiders of 1947 as our friends and we did it. 1965 we were asked to sell Pakistani infiltrators, and we did it.
Despite all we did, we have yet not been told what the issue is. We are indebted to Kashmiri Pundits who have given us education. Now we have a ray of hope in Prabu Chawla and his crew who may educate us as to what the issue is. We followed Shiekh Abdullah and other Abdullahs from 1931, we followed Maulvis and all we did has proved a futile exercise. Duplicate Gandhi Shabir Shah from Kashmir has amassed wealth unlike the real Mahatma Gandhi. Paupers have become masters of multi trillions. Kashmir issue is an issue of the hen that lays golden eggs. It is a matter of bread and butter for trillions of people. It will never come to an end. It will madden the whole world not to speak of NDTV or India Today, Priety Zinta, Director Shekhar Kapur.
Prabu Chawla and his crew may please translate the issue in common man’s language to educate both Brijdass and Muhammad Yousuf Qureshi. We shall be both indebted to Aroon Purie & Prabu Chawla.
brijdass chu venan lasiv te basiv
Comment by B K Dass — March 30, 2008 @ 5:37 pm
Whatever the history may be, whatever the politics may be, or whatever the UN resolutions may be. But, I am sure, Kashmir is regarded and recognized as disputed territory by world community including UN. Ironically, its long standing struggle for independence is not yet recognized as real struggle rather interpreted, more recently, as so-called terrorism.
Separation or independence is not a new concept or unique phenomenon that is only being practiced in Kashmir, I think, over 90 per cent of over 200 nations world wide have gone or going through same process, in this or that way.
While accepting this reality and coming out from claim and blame game, both India and Pakistan, should come forward, meet somewhere mid-way, and resolve the dispute of Kashmir from roots, for once and forever.
As, it is not only root cause of all unrest, trouble and misunderstandings in Indo-Pak subcontinent, but pose a grave threat to future generations of two nuclear neighbors, therefore , it need due attention by all actors before they meet a catastrophe.
In other way- I just wonder, how, in such an integrated world of today, any country or region could be separated and can live in isolation. Joining, the once one-big-nation, that was separated on religious grounds, if not today perhaps by tomorrow generations would be another need.
Comment by M. Ashaq Raza — August 14, 2008 @ 8:43 pm
pakistan is going down in all respects and anyone who wants to join them is free … sans the land ….
go and live there for a while and check things out for urself ….
if kashmiri moslems want a taliban state in kashmir … then they can first go and make the same in the so culled “azaad kashmir ” …
kashmir is Indian state and will ever remain so … there have been some stupid people who have no life and keep creating trouble not just in kashmir but other parts of India as well … we know how to deal with such infants ….
we use canes in the beginning and then twist their fingers a lil … and then they sing along ….
India is a powerful country with a rich history … we lost the way in between but we are on track again …
UN has has no effect on us … we run the UN … UN doesnt run us …. its a tricky thing …
…
but thats the secret …
till then kashmiri moslems can party till the next elections …
we Indians allow that in our country …. we are free people …
LIVE AND LET LIVE …
Comment by chandra — August 24, 2008 @ 11:10 am
Mr .chandra
I am a Kashmiri and let me remind you that we were not part of so called secular india where the country kills people destroys religous places like babari masjid in 1947.
Indian army forcefully occupied our land . this is not a religous battle or making state of Kashmir home for taliban we know what is right and what is wrong.
let me closeup by WE WANT FREEDOM.
Comment by nisar — September 6, 2008 @ 12:23 pm
nisar
>>I am a Kashmiri and let me remind you that we were not part of so called secular india where the country kills people destroys religous places like babari masjid in 1947.
READ ABOUT HOW BABRI MASJID CAME INTO EXISTENCE AND WHERE IT WAS BUILT.
NOW SINCE U ARE NOT INDIAN BECAUSE INDIA DESTROYS RELIGIOUS PLACES.
CAN U ANSWER HOW MANY TEMPLES WERE DESTROYED IN KASHMIR SINCE 1989??… IN UR KASHMIR BY ISLAM….. THINK AND ANSWER….
NOW WILL U BE NOT PART OF KASHMIR BECAUSE ISLAM THERE DESTROYED HINDU TEMPLES OR WILL UR LOGIC WORL LOP SIDED THAT ONLY MOSQUES ARE RELIGIOUS PLACES AND NOT TEMPLES….
Indian army forcefully occupied our land . this is not a religous battle or making state of Kashmir home for taliban we know what is right and what is wrong.
let me closeup by WE WANT FREEDOM.
YOU PEOPLE MADE IT RELIGIOUS BATTLE WHEN U ASKED KASHMIRI PANDITS TO LEAVE KASHMIR…. IT WAS NOT JUST SAID ON ROADS…. IT WAS ANNOUNCED FROM ALL THE MASJIDS / MOSQUES IN KASHMIR….. NISAR WHETHER U KNOW OR NOT KASHMIR IS TALIBANISED BY THE VERY PRESENCE OF ISLAM … THINK WHY I SAID IT ….. LOOK BEYOUND QURAN AND ISLAM … LOOK IF U WANT TO BE HUMAN…. IF YES THEN JOIN US IN THE JEHAD AGAINST ISLAM… WORLD IS CHANGING WHY NOT U TOO MY BROTHER…..
NISAR I CAN ASSURE U THAT U HAVE FREEDOM AS LONG AS U ARE WITH INDIA. THE DAY ISLAM TAKES OVER U WILL LOOSE FREEDOM IN TOTAL.. MARK MY WORDS. ASK UR MILITANT BROTHERS WHO CROSSED LOC AND WENT TO OTHER SIDE FOR TRAINING HOW MUCH FREEDOM THEY HAVE SEEN IN ISLAM………
ANIL
Comment by Koul Anil — September 6, 2008 @ 1:40 pm
>>this is not a religous battle or making state of Kashmir home for taliban we know what is >>right and what is wrong.
huh, crap ….
I am too kashmiri and I don’t want freedom, people from jammu don’t want freedom and many more from kashmir don’t want.
I don’t think the problem is freedom, the problem is the ISLAM and the world had enough evidence to prove it.
Have a look around globe and you will find it out.
Moreover we see what Geelani is upto , imposing sharia and having Islamic Kashmir where non-muslims don’t have any place.
Comment by Vicky — September 6, 2008 @ 2:24 pm
Mr .nisar……
lets not get into the babri masjid issue ….
there are a million of Hindu temples that were destroyed by moslems during many centuries … history was woven in blood … please grow up ….. stop being childish ….
for one masjid …. hundreds come up in India any given year …. so crying for one is childish really that too still after some 20 years ….
moslems should come up and say to Hindus …. WE INVITE YOU TO BUILD THE RAM TEMPLE THERE AND YOU GIVE US LAND SOMEWHERE TO BUILD ANOTHER MASJID …
LETS SEE IF MOSLEMS COME UP FOR THIS … JUST TO BUILD THE HARMONY YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT ….
now … WE WANT FREEDOM ….
nisar …
FREEDOM FROM WHAT ?
i ll point out some issues and give you reasons or where your reasons are wrong.
1. Remove army from kashmir …..
Army is there to guard the borders from pakistan … and it supported terrorism along with misled kashmiri moslems …. which is supported in pok as well … so to show that kashmiri moslems are PEACE LOVING …. ask the pok government to REMOVE ALL TERRORISTS FROM POK first …. and then ask the government to lower the army presence ….
2. Human rights abuses ….
army excesses are there …. the same happens whereever there is army … well they work in very harsh and troublesome conditions … hard to blame them … your very brothers incite them ….
NOW I WILL POINT TO THE FREEDOM THAT YOU ENJOY IN INDIA …
1. Can u make a mosque anywhere in India and Kashmir ??
YES …. NOBODY STOPS YOU…
2. can u create a mad-rassa anywhere in kashmir .. ??
YES …. no body stops you….
3. ARE THERE MASSIVE TAXES COLLECTED FROM KASHMIRI MOSLEMS ??
NO …. they HARDLY PAY TAXES IF ANY ….
4. CAN YOU MAKE A HOME ANYWHERE IN KASHMIR OR FOR THAT MATTER INDIA ???
YES … NOBODY STOPS YOU …
so ask any sane person …. ( i dont count moslems in that category ) …. any else will do … no matter what the religion or perhaps religionless …
FREEDOM FROM WHAT ????
Now …. Do you want freedom to …..
1. MERGE WITH PAKISTAN ???
GOD HELP YOU … YOU CAN HEAR IN NEWS ….
Comment by chandra — September 6, 2008 @ 3:36 pm
16 DIED IN SUICIDE ATTACK TODAY AS WELL …
2. TO GET SHARIA ….
LOOK AT AFGHANISTAN …. GOD HELP YOU AGAIN ….
you say … WE KNOW WHAT IS GOOD AND BAD….
FACT IS POOR MOSLEMS DONT KNOW IT … AND ITS SAD … THE EXAMPLES ARE EVERYWHERE AROUND YOU ….
JUST OPEN YOUR EYES …
GOD BLESS …
Comment by chandra — September 6, 2008 @ 3:40 pm
and if moslems keep cryin for babri ….
then BY SHIVA …. THEY WILL FACE THE WRATH SOON …
for what the HINDUS HAD FACED FOR MANY CENTURIES ….
REVENGE LIST IS LONG nisar …. YOU BETTER UNDERSTAND THAT ….
Comment by chandra — September 6, 2008 @ 3:42 pm
MR chandra here is our perception to ur points…
1. those who u think as terrorists r freedom fighters of kmr ,bagat singh for india was a terrorist for england but for indians he was a freedom fighter, if india agrees in withdrawing troops pak is always ready
2. human rights voilations r observed in indian held kashmir & not pok, in indian held kashmir why peaceful protestors r targetted with bullets???
3. we can built mosque anywhere in universe wat peculier india is then?????
4. why should we pay taxes to state of india? we don’t accept india as our rulers
5. we can built whatever kashmiri wishes to built in his motherland who is india to dictate terms to us?? so u r going to dictate terms in building our homes in our homeland
6. wen britain used to rule india indians were given all the freedom to built anything in india even then they raised the slogans of azadiii,wat wrong kashmiris r doing. the most rewarding thing for a nation is independence & we r ready to die for it.
WE R DEMANDING THE MOST DEMOCRATIC WAY TO SOLVE THIS DISPUTE i.e. self determination if india agrees
WE WILL SNATCH INDEPENDENCE FROM INDIA’S AGRESSIVE COLONISATION
Comment by aadil & nadim — September 14, 2008 @ 12:34 pm
aadil and pharis …
:p
Comment by chandra — September 14, 2008 @ 12:48 pm
snatch your death u will for sure …
Comment by chandra — September 14, 2008 @ 12:48 pm
first tell pakistan to remove forces from azaad kashmir and let its president say that “as soon as India agrees they will recognise kashmir as independent country …”
then we will think about it …
till then … dont waste my time …
Comment by chandra — September 14, 2008 @ 12:51 pm
aadil & nadim
I TEND TO ANSWER IN UPPER CASE PLESE GO THROUGH THEM
1. those who u think as terrorists r freedom fighters of kmr ,bagat singh for india was a terrorist for england but for indians he was a freedom fighter, if india agrees in withdrawing troops pak is always ready
WHO SAID U WANT FREEDOM — ALL U PEOPLE ASK IS TO LIVE UNDER NIZAM E MUSTAFA AND LA ILLAHA ILA LLA — HOW IS THAT FREEDOM — U ARE GOING BACKWARDS AND WANT MUHAMMADS RULE — SHRAI LAW —— LIVING IN 21ST CENTURY U WANT TO BE RULED BY INVISIBLE DEMON OF 6TH CENTURY…… READ HOW MUHAMMAD WAS THE TERRORIST —– http://www.faithfreedom.org/challenge/terrorist.htm
U SEEM TO HAVE TOO MUCH CONFIDENCE ON PAKISTANI ARMY —- THAT THEY WILL ALWAYS AGREE —– IN MUSLIM RELIGION DONT TRUST UR BROTHER OR UNCLE OR FATHER — REMEMBER WHAT MUHAMMAD DID ON THE DEATH BED OF HIS UNCLE WHO TOOK CARE OF MUHAMMAD THE MAD ALL HIS LIFE — HE CURSED HIM ——- THAT IS WHAT U WILL GET FROM OTHER MUSLIMS??? SIT BACK RELAX AND THINK
2. human rights voilations r observed in indian held kashmir & not pok, in indian held kashmir why peaceful protestors r targetted with bullets???
U ARE TALKING ABOUT HUMAN RIGHTS VIOLATION IN INDIA — HAVE U GOT IN UR HEAD WHAT HAPPENS IN NIZAM-E-MUSTAFA — NOT LONG BACK 15 MUSLIM GIRLS WERE KILLED INSIDE THE BURNING SCHOOL IN SAUDI AND ISLAMIC POLICE DID NOT ALLOW THEM TO COME OUT BECAUSE THEY DIDNOT HAVE HIJAB — I GUESS THAT IS NOT HUMAN RIGHTS VIOLATION — THAT IS NIZAM – E MUSTAFA —- WATCH IUT U CANT ALLOW UR SISTER TO GO OUT WITH FIRST COUSIN IT MIGHT BECOME ZINNAH AND SHE MIGHT BE STONED TO DEATH — WATCH OUT UR SISTER OR DAUGHTER WILL NEED 4 MALE WITNESSES TO PROVE THAT SHE WAS RAPED —- HOW WILL U ASK RAPISTS TO BECOME UR WITNESS — AND IF SHE DOESNOT SHE WILL BE STONED TILL DEATH — SIZE OF STONES IS ALSO DEFINED BY MUHAMMAD — CANT BE TOO BIG THAT WILL KILL IN ONE SHOT — CANT BE TOO SMALL THAT EFFECT WONT BE MUCH AND HAVE TO BE MIDDLE SIZE THAT WILL PAIN A LOT BUT WONT KILL U INSTANTLY — READ QURAN AND THEN WE WILL DISCUSS UR HUMAN RIGHTS—-
3. we can built mosque anywhere in universe wat peculier india is then?????
REMEMBER ALL OVER THE WORLD WE ARE HUMANS AND TOLERATE ISLAM — AND A HINDU BUILD A TEMPLE IN SAUDI —- THINK WHY??? ISLAM ALWAYS WANT ONLY ISLAM TO FLOURISH AND HAS NO PLACE FOR OTHER FAITHS — UNFORTUNATELY THERE IS NOTHING OTHER THAN RAPE KILLING TERRORISM PEDOPHILIA AND ALL THE UGLY AND BAD IN WORLD—- WHY SHOULD U AND ME TRY TO MAKE THIS RELIGION SURVIVE AT ALL —- ITS BASE IS NOT ON PEACE AND LOVE BUT ON KILLINGS AND HATRED —– THINK
4. why should we pay taxes to state of india? we don’t accept india as our rulers
I WONDER REALLY HOW MANY OF U PAY TAXES AND HOW MANY EVADE — I AM LUCKY I AM NOT IN A MUSLIM COUNTRY I WOULD BE PAYING HIGHER TAXES — AN OPEN DISCRIMINATION — AND THAT IS IN UR QURAN —- AND COULD NOT HAVE EVEN TALKED ABOUT IT — FOR THE FEAR OF MY LIFE—- WONDER HOW FREE U ARE U CAN TELL ALL THIS TO US AND U ARE STILL ALIVE —– BUT THEN WE ARE THE TOLERANT ONES AND NOT MUSLIMS
5. we can built whatever kashmiri wishes to built in his motherland who is india to dictate terms to us?? so u r going to dictate terms in building our homes in our homeland
WE KASHMIRI HINDUS PROVED POWERLESS IN FRONT OF UR TERRORISM AND GUNS— THE SAME WAY U ARE FEELING POWERLESS IN FRONT OF OUR PEN—-
DID U THINK TWICE BEFORE ASKING US TO LEAVE KASHMIR — WE LOST OUR HOMES BECAUSE U LOST UR HEAD TO 6TH CENTURY WARLORD AND HIS CULT ISLAM— WAS THAT JUSTIFIED BY HUMAN CONSCIENCE — NO BUT I UNDERSTAND ISLAM WELL TO KNOW IT IS JUSTIFIED IN UR RELIGION—-
HOW MANY TEMPLES GOT LOOTED — AND DESTROYED FROM 1989 TILL NOW — IN HUMAN CONSCIENCE IT WAS NOT RIGHT — BUT I UNDERSTAND U AND ISLAM IN THAT IT IS ALLOWED AND ENCOURAGED
6. wen britain used to rule india indians were given all the freedom to built anything in india even then they raised the slogans of azadiii,wat wrong kashmiris r doing. the most rewarding thing for a nation is independence & we r ready to die for it.
U ARE READY TO DI FOR WHAT???? THINK—–
U WILL BE DIE TO CHANGE DEMOCRACY TO DICTATORSHIP — HOPE U UNDERSTAND WHAT I AM SAYING — U WILL DIE AND GIVE LIFE FOR NOTHING — IN OTHER WORDS U ARE READY TO WASTE UR LIFE FOR ISLAM AND SHARIA — EVEN WITH OUT UNDERSTANDING EITHER—-
I DONT WANT U TO DIE — SO BEFORE U DECIDE TO DIE PLEASE READ AND UNDERSTAND QURAN AND SHARIA LAWS — AND NIZAM -E – MUSTAFA AND THEN DECIDE IS THAT WHAT U WERE THINKING ALL THE WHILE….
>>WE R DEMANDING THE MOST DEMOCRATIC WAY TO SOLVE THIS DISPUTE i.e. self >>determination if india agrees
>>WE WILL SNATCH INDEPENDENCE FROM INDIA’S AGRESSIVE COLONISATION
THIS I WILL SAY WILL REMAIN DREAM BECAUSE MANY MUSLIMS HAVE STARTED UNDERSTANDING REAL ISLAM — AND ARE CHANGING SOME KASHMIRI MUSLIMS TOO — SO DONT BE SURPRISED IF THERE IS A WAVE THAT SWEEPS ISLAM OUT OF THE WORLD IN A SHORT TIME —- KEEP WATCHING —- AND OF COURSE READ
YOUR OWN
ANIL
Comment by Koul Anil — September 14, 2008 @ 1:59 pm
mr nadim &aadil…..
it makes me laugh …when u people compare bhagat singh with ur so called killer aazadi fighters… there is not even a single point where u can compare both of these….
he was not a rapist ….but ur milltants are…he faught for the ind of whole india but unfrtnatly u peopel fight it on the base of religion..
he never killed innocent people …but ur milltants kill…daily..
he was and will always remain a hero but ur heros are afzal guru…bitta kartate… what else do u want to hear for ur miltants..
they do the worlds worst things..
they kill people by carving their eyes out…by beheading them…by making them hostages… by highjaking planes… abttacking world trade centre………………………………………………….
and the list will never end ..
ur freedom fighters are not human beings ..they are devils… trust me DEVILS
they made ur freedom strugle a dirty war… MOST WORST THING IN THIS WORLD “
Comment by pamposh — September 14, 2008 @ 2:28 pm
chandru sahab
we will love to die as kashmiri patriots
we people in indian colonised kashmir r demanding withdrawal of army(state terrorists who kill unarmed protestors in wat u say democracy we may not agree with this democracy) people in pok r happy with pakistani army but people in ick r not…
JIS KASHMIR KO KHOON SEY SEENCHA
WOH KASHMIR HAMARA HAIN (if u want to be in this HAMARA u r welcome)
Comment by nadim & aadil — September 15, 2008 @ 4:29 am
khadim aur badil …
khoon se seechne se jameen kharaab ho jata he …
hum tumko batata …
hum udhar aake mootega aur tumhara jameen to phirse swachcha kar dega …
Comment by chandra — September 15, 2008 @ 5:48 am
Nadim & aadi
DO READ MY COMMENTS IN UPPERCASE —-l
we will love to die as kashmiri patriots
THIS IS ISLAM SPEAKING IN U — I WILL DIE — LEARN TO SAY U WILL LIVE AND ISLAM WILL DIE — ISLAM IS THE MAIN REASON TO BRING THIS MUCH HATRED IN UR HEARTS — PEOPLE ARE FOOLS WHO THING ISLAM IS RELIGION OF PEACE — BUT THE FACT IS IN QURAN, ALL MUHAMMAD IS DIE OR SLIT THE THROATS OR CUT THE FINGERS OR HANDS OR STONE AND RAPE —— #THINK
we people in indian colonised kashmir r demanding withdrawal of army(state terrorists who kill unarmed protestors in wat u say democracy we may not agree with this democracy) people in pok r happy with pakistani army but people in ick r not…
AADIL AND NADIM ABOVE COMMENT TELLS ME U ARE VERY YOUNG AND IMMATURE — KASHMIRI PANDITS WERE LIVING WITH PEACE IN KASHMIR —- BUT WHO YELLED FROM MASJIDS — CHALIV GALIV YA RALIV —- AND WHO SAID LEAVE KASHMIR WITHOUT UR WOMEN FOLK — THIS THINKING OF KASHMIRI WITH THE GUN GOES BACK TO 6TH CENTURY WHEN WOMEN FOLKS WERE CONSIDERED AS THE BOODY OF WAR AND SOLD — LOOK AT UR QURAN — U U WERE BEHAVING LIKE RATIONAL HUMANS U WOULD NOT HAVE UTTERED THE ABOVE WORDS —– WHO GOT THE GUN CULTURE TO KASHMIR — IS UR OWN ISLAM THINK AND IF U THINK U WILL UNDERSTAND —- U STARTED SELECTIVE KILLINGS OF KASHMIRI PANDITS —- GUN CULTURE WAS OPEN —- NO QUESTIONS NO ANSWERS STRAIGHT SHOOTINGS AND THEN A DEATH DANCE AROUND KASHMIRI PANDITS — ASK BITA KARATE AND YASIN MALIK HOW MANY KASHMIRI PANDITS THEY HAVE KILLED WITH THERE OWN HANDS —– IT IS OUR NAPUNSAK / CORRUPT POLITICAL SYSTEM OTHERWISE THEY BOTH DONT DESERVE TO LIVE—
JIS KASHMIR KO KHOON SEY SEENCHA
WOH KASHMIR HAMARA HAIN
LOOK IN THE HISTORY BEYOND ISLAM(BEFORE MUHAMMAD)— KASHMIR WAS TOTALLY PEACEFUL AND ISLAM NEVER EXISTED —- HOW DOES KASHMIR BELONG TO ISLAM — JUST A HAND FULL OF CONVERTS WITH GUN CULTURE, WITJOUT UNDERSTANDING U GUYS GIVE OUT SLOGANS LIKE A ISLAM MAKES MUSLIM LADIES PRODUCE KIDS WITH OUT CONTROL — SO THINK BEFORE U SAY ANY THING MORE
(if u want to be in this HAMARA u r welcome)
THIS MY BROTHERS U SHOULD HAVE THOUGHT BEFORE 1989 — BEFORE U ASKED US TO LEAVE KASHMIR— BEFORE U MADE IT FROM 91 % TO 99% MUSLIM AREA OF J&K — I GUESS THAT WAS THE AIM — IST U KILL US AND THEN U CALL FOR PEACE TALKS — WHAT STATUS DO WE GET IN KASHMIR WITH ISLAM — READ PLEASE ISLAM CAN NEVER COEXIST WITH ANY RELIGION — LOOK AT THE SMALL HINDU POPULATION IN PAKISTAN — THERE GIRLS ARE TAKEN AWAY AND CONVERTED TO ISLAM AND THEN PARENTS CANT TALLK TO THERE DAUGHTERS — IS THAT WHAT U ARE INVITING US FOR — U SHOVE UR NISAME MUSTAFA IN UR REAR END — WE KNOW VERY WELL WHAT UR ISLAM MEANS AND WHAT SHARIA LAWS STAND FOR — I WAS IGNORANT BEFORE 1989 AND THAT HAS PUSHED ME TO READ UR DEMONIC BOOKS AND COME TO THIS CONCLUSION — I ALWAYS WONDERED WHAT CAN MAKE PEOPLE ENEMIES JUST IN A SHORT TIME —- AND ANSWER WAS CLEAR AFTER READING —- AND IT IS ISLAM…
URS
ANIL
Comment by Koul Anil — September 15, 2008 @ 12:10 pm
its good to see the self created frustation …
Comment by chandra — September 15, 2008 @ 3:32 pm
DEAR AADIL AND NADIM……
MY RESPONSES AS USUAL IN UPPER CASE AND DO ENJOY ….
u bastered dnt target prophet SAW otherwise u will be migrated 4rm jmu to hell.
U CALLED ME BASTARD — U ARE WELCOME AND A GOOD HUMAN I AM SURE — IT IS ISLAM IN U THAT MAKES U LIKE THIS — THINK ABOUT MUHAMMAD — HE WAS 3 MONTHS IN MOTHERS WOMB AND FATHER DIED — DOES QURAN EXPLAIN THOROUGHLY WHO IS FATHER WAS HIS CHARACTER ETC — NO — THINK OF HIS MOTHER — SHE GIVES HIM AWAY AT 6 MONTHS TO BE FED BY SOMEONE ELSE —
IN MY CASE I KNOW BOTH MY PARENTS AND AM HAPPY TO HAVE MY LOVING PARENTS WHO TAUGHT ME DIFFERENCE BETWEEN LOVE HUMANITY AND ITS OPPOSITE ISLAM
it were not kashmiri muslims to immigrate you. but it was ur own hindu governor JAGMOHAN. do u know how many kashmiri muslims were killed by this bloody govertnor after u left. he declared at that time that if centre allows him he would bombard kashmiri muslims.
THIS WAS TOLD TO SAADAT EARLIER AND SAME IS COPIED FOR U ——
NICE STORY TELL THAT TO UR HUMAN RIGHTS CRAP AND NOT US……
IT WAS JAGMOHAN WHO ASKED MOSQUES TO ANNOUNCE THAT PANDITS SHOULD LEAVE OTHERWISE THEY WILL BE KILLED……… AMAZING……
AND MUSLIMS WERE FORCED BY JAGMOHAN TO GOTO PAKISTAN AND COME BACK AND KILL PANDITS SELECTIVELY
UR ISLAMIC MILLITANTS WERE GETTING DIRECT ORDERS FROM JAGMOHAN…..
GIVE IT A BREAK WHAT DID U DO TO PANDITS THAT STAYED BACK REMEMBER WANDHAMA ……. SORRY THAT WAS ORDERED BY JAGMOHAN TOOO
ASK UR MILITANT BROTHERS WHAT THEY DID BEFORE CHOPPING THE GIRLS THROUGH WOOD SAW….. GIVE ME A BREAK …. OK THAT WAS THE DESIGN OF JAGMOHAN TOO…..
WHERE DID THE GUNS COME FROM….. OOPS JAGMOHAN BOUGHT FROM PAKISTAN FROM HIS PERSONAL A/C
U PEOPLE BURNED AND DESTROYED TEMPLES AND PROPERTIES IN KASHMIR…. THAT WAS FORCED BY JAGMOHAN TOOO….
THE FACT IS U CAN BLAME ANY ONE SHEIKK OR JAGMOHAN OR UR FORE FATHERS….. BUT TRUTH IS TRUTH…..
THE ONLY REASON I SEE FOR YOUR AND OUR SUFFERING IS ISLAM AND THE TEACHINGS IN QURAN….. LIFE OF MUHAMMAD IS AN EYE OPENER….. FOR ALL OF US………
NOW TELL ME IS IT JAGMOHAN OR ISLAM TO BLAME……
THE ANSWER IS CRYSTAL CLEAR….. ISLAM
YOU ARE MY KASHMIRI BROTHER MUSLIM REALISE THAT U HAVE SUFFERED A LOT DUE TO ISLAM AND TIME HAS COME TO JOIN HANDS AND ABANDON ISLAM… THINK
yiour words reveal that u want to copme back to kashmir but till now we also wanted u back.
I WILL COME BACK TO KASHMIR SOON AND LIVE WITH U AS MY NEIGHBOUR — AFTER ISLAM IS WIPED OUT NOT JUST FROM KASHMIR BUT FROM WHOLE WORLD —- U CAN SAY I AM DREAMING I AM NOT THE WAVE HAS STARTED WORLD WIDE — WATCH UR REAR END BEFORE U R ISLAM IS WIPED FROM WORLD—-
but ur communal thinking & little logic & taking statements out of context 4rm muslim books.
THEN PUT THE WORDS IN CONTEXT — AND EXPLAIN TO MR. ALI SINA AND OTHER MUSLIMS WHO HAVE REALIZED — IF U ARE NON VIOLENT U ARE NOT MUSLIM THAT FOLLOWS ISLAM — READ ISLAM WANTS U TO PICK UP SWORD AND CONQUER THE WORD AND CONVERT TO ISLAM —- WHAT IS PEACEFUL IN ISLAM—–
this is our advice 2 u that think b4 u speak and dont dare to target ISLAM again.
NOW U ARE TALKING LIKE HOW A PERSON WHO FOLLOWS ISLAM SHOULD SEE — ISLAM IN UR BLOOD SPEAKING —-
it is due 2 ur such speeches which grows hatred among muslims all over the world.
SORRY I AND ALI SINA AND OTHERS DIDNOT START BEFORE ISLAM —- SO LOOK BACK IN UR QURAN AND LIFE OF MUHAMMAD — THAT MAKES MUSLIMS DO HEINOUS THINGS IN THE NAME OF ISLAM
and u make islam responsible after that.
I AM NOT MAKING THEM RESPONSIBLE — IT IS READ AND UNDERSTAND QURAN
and 4 ur kind info there is no place 4 idol worshippers in kashmir.
WOW HERE IS ISLAM THE RELIGION OF PEACE NOW U ARE TALKING ISLAM— NIZAME MUSTAFA— UR TRUE COLOR— BUT FORGOT UR PEDOPHILE MUHAMMAD PICKED UP ALLAH IDOL OF PAGANS AND MADE HIM GOD— EVEN WONDERED ABOUT THAT — LOOK INSIDE UR HAJ — WHAT IS IT AN IDOL — EVER REALIZED WHY U BEND TOWARDS MACCA — IS BECAUSE MUHAMMAD WANTED U TO BOW TO HIM — THERE IS NOTHING CALLED ALLAH THAT WAS CREATED — ALLAH IS A BORROWED CONCEPT OF PAGANS —- THINK WITH COOL HEAD AND TELL ME WHAT IS GREAT OR GOOD IN ISLAM —- ALL I UNDERSTAND FROM QURAN IS UGLY UGLY AND MORE UGLY
>>MAY ALLAH show u the right path.
MAY UR HEART GUIDE U IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION OR LOVE AND CARING RATHER THAN KILLING AND GETTING KILLED — THAT IS TAUGHT BY MUHAMMAD
LOOKING FORWARD TO SEE TWO PEOPLE BECOME HUMANS AND LEAVE ISLAM —–
MUSLIM – ISLAM = PEACEFUL HUMAN
WITH LOVE
ANIL
Comment by koul Anil — September 15, 2008 @ 4:08 pm
koul sahab
so far u hav attacked our religion but we will never criticise urs because allah says in quran sharief that don’t criticise any religion because then they will criticise ur righteous religion
but still then u continued to do so
it is not so we can’t provide u points from ur holy scriptures that spread hatred but still we won’t.
a top christain author has written a book named ‘THE HUNDRED’ in which he has ranked prophet (saw) no. 1 in as far as all the best qualities a man can hav. infact ur holy books also mention abt prophet (saw) many a times , giving His(saw) location of birth also that he will be insaani kaaamil , thus if u talk against prophet (saw) u r talking against hindu religion.
u r talking abt the evacuation of pandits frm valley was done due to islam’s xtremism(infact which is not true): 91% of kashmiri muslims at that time wer dictated by 7 or 8% pandits along with the central government (which itself was hindu dominated & still is dictating). kashmiri muslim boy who was equally qualified to a pandit boy was not given a job ,they had attacked ur ideology not ur religion. befor ur migration MUF (muslim united front) wer declared winners in assembly polls under indian constitution but india (hindu dominated politicians) rigged the elections & resulted the fake results , one of the reason that made kashmiris to take gun.
wat wud people lik u (excepting the major pandits) had lost at that time if u wud hav joined hands with 91% muslim neighbours of urs
talking abt communalism do u remember 1947 wen 2 & a half lakh muslims wer mudered in jammu (by hindus) pandits killed wer 305(wich included 150 top beaurocrats) ,remember abt killings of thousands of sikhs (wen indira gandhi was killed) by hindus, still we don’t criticise hinduism , remember chattisinghpora wer 34 kashmiri sikhs wer murdered by indian army(state terrorists under supervision from delhi) claimed by bill clinton(a christian) also, remember gujrat,this might still be comming in news orissa (wer christians r murdered)…….
abt islam’s decline : do u know islam is the fastest growing religion in america, england & many other non muslim countries. we feel proud abt our ancestors(hindus) wen anyone says max. kashmiri muslims are reverts .
we won’t hav written those bad words to u but u attacked our righteous religion for wich we r going to lay our lives.
now u think abt our points,
no need to reply
Comment by nadim & aadil — September 16, 2008 @ 5:00 pm
>>wat wud people lik u (excepting the major pandits) had lost at that time if u wud hav >>joined hands with 91% muslim neighbours of urs
btw joining hands means to accept the ISLAM and then get married to our siblings following sharia etc ….
stop all this crap, we are happy where we are and you go and fight for freedom.
You deserve the treatment that you are getting .
why can’t you join hands with 80% of hindus in india now ?
who so ever deserves VICTORY will get it finally, if we don’t deserve we will loose Kashmir …. only time tell who will win, so go and fight for freedom and don’t waste you time over here.
Peace
Comment by Vicky — September 16, 2008 @ 5:53 pm
DEAR AADIL AND NADIM……
MY RESPONSES AS USUAL IN UPPER CASE AND DO ENJOY ….
so far u hav attacked our religion but we will never criticise urs because allah says in quran sharief that don’t criticise any religion because then they will criticise ur righteous religion
but still then u continued to do so
it is not so we can’t provide u points from ur holy scriptures that spread hatred but still we won’t.
WHY ARE U ACCUSING ME OF ATTACKING YOUR RELIGION — PLEASE PUT THE POINTS ACROSS IF I HAVE TOLD SOMETHING THAT IS NOT TRUE — I AM READY TO CHANGE THAT PART —- ALL I HAVE BEEN SAYING HERE OR ANY WHERE IS WHAT IS IN UR TEXTS LIKE QURAN AND HADITH ….
SORRY DUDE U HAVE FAILED UR RELIGION BY NOW I WOULD HAVE BEEN DEAD MEAT WAS I IN FRONT OF U FACE TO FACE —- THAT IS WHAT IS IN QURAN
HAVE AN OPEN ATTITUDE TO TALK ABOUT UR RELIGION AND U ALL SHY AWAY FROM THE CRITICISM OF UR HOLY BOOKS —-
THIS IS A FREE WORLD WRITE WHAT U CAN ABOUT MY RELIGION — AND I AM SURE HINDUS EVERYWHERE IN THE WORLD WILL ARGUE OR DISCUSS THEY WONT KILL U OR ISSUE U FATWA —-
a top christain author has written a book named ‘THE HUNDRED’ in which he has ranked prophet (saw) no. 1 in as far as all the best qualities a man can hav.
THERE ARE MANY BOOKS THAT MENTION MUHAMMAD AS MOST INFLUENCIAL MAN WHO WALKED EARTH — BUT THEN IN THE SAME BOOK AT THE LOWER END IS HITLER ALSO — WHAT THE BOOK REFLECTS THE INFLUENCE NEGATIVE OR POSITIVE IS FOR U TO DECIDE ——
infact ur holy books also mention abt prophet (saw) many a times , giving His(saw) location of birth also that he will be insaani kaaamil , thus if u talk against prophet (saw) u r talking against hindu religion.
WELL IF TALKING ABOUT UR MUHAMMAD MAKES ME ANTI HINDU I WILL ACCEPT THAT — RATHER THAN BE A HINDU WHO WILL GIVE ANY PLACE IN THIS WORLD TO MUHAMMAD — I WILL LOVE TO BE HUMAN RATHER THAN HINDU OR MUSLIM ——
u r talking abt the evacuation of pandits frm valley was done due to islam’s xtremism(infact which is not true):
GIVE ME A BREAK —- WHAT WERE UR MOSQUES PUTTING ON THE LOUD SPEAKERS —– TELL SOME ONE ELSE WHO HAS NOT SEEN THAT CRAP FROM ISLAM —-
91% of kashmiri muslims at that time wer dictated by 7 or 8% pandits along with the central government (which itself was hindu dominated & still is dictating).
U ARE UR SELF WITH OUT THINKING PUTTING ISLAM IN ONE PAN OF THE BALANCE AND REST OF US ON THE OTHER —- U FORGOT MANY TIMES OUR TOP PEOPLE IN OUR COUNTRY ARE NOT HINDUS ALWAYS —
kashmiri muslim boy who was equally qualified to a pandit boy was not given a job ,they had attacked ur ideology not ur religion. befor ur migration MUF (muslim united front) wer declared winners in assembly polls under indian constitution but india (hindu dominated politicians) rigged the elections & resulted the fake results , one of the reason that made kashmiris to take gun.
I HAVE NOT SEEN ANY HINDU IN KASHMIRI POLITICS WHO MADE IT UP IN LEVELS TO CM — WHAT RIGGING U ARE TALKING ABOUT — WOW DIDNOT BOTHER WHOLE NATION TO TAKE GUNS BUT MY ISLAM LOVING BROTHERS TOOK GUN — I AM HAPPY U ACCEPTED THAT U TOOK GUNS — SOME KASHMIRIS SAY THERE WAS NO GUN KILLINGS IN KASHMIR—-
wat wud people lik u (excepting the major pandits) had lost at that time if u wud hav joined hands with 91% muslim neighbours of urs
talking abt communalism do u remember 1947 wen 2 & a half lakh muslims wer mudered in jammu (by hindus) pandits killed wer 305(wich included 150 top beaurocrats) ,
WHERE DO U GUYS GET THESE NUMBERS FROM — I LOVE COOKING — BUT U GUYS WILL BEAT ANY HUMAN IN COOKING OF NUMBERS — 2 AND A HALF LAKS MUSLIMS WOW — THAT IS IMPRESSIVE NUMBERS U COME WITH
remember abt killings of thousands of sikhs (wen indira gandhi was killed) by hindus, still we don’t criticise hinduism , remember chattisinghpora wer 34 kashmiri sikhs wer murdered by indian army(state terrorists under supervision from delhi) claimed by bill clinton(a christian) also, remember gujrat,this might still be comming in news orissa (wer christians r murdered)…….
THERE ARE SIKHS IN PUNJAB NOW ALSO — NO ONE IS GETTING KILLED — YES IF TERRORISM COMES AS A SIKHS IT WILL BE DEALT ACCORDINGLY —- LOOK AT USA IT TOOK ONE ATTACK ON USA FROM ISLAM — AND SEE WHAT HAPPENED THEY CHANGED FACE OF IRAQ AND AFGHAN —- THINK HOW PATIENT WE HINDUS ARE — THINK
abt islam’s decline : do u know islam is the fastest growing religion in america, england & many other non muslim countries. we feel proud abt our ancestors(hindus) wen anyone says max. kashmiri muslims are reverts .
THAT WAS HISTORY — LOOK AT PRESENT SEE AROUND AND READ — THINK UR SELF WHAT IS GREAT IN QURAN OR MUHAMMAD THAT PEOPLE WILL CHANGE —- ONLY PEDOPHILES WHO LIKE KIDS WILL BECOME MUSLIMS ACCORDING TO ME— AND ISLAM NEED MANY OF THOSE —-
we won’t hav written those bad words to u but u attacked our righteous religion for wich we r going to lay our lives.
UR SAYING THAT SHIT HAS COME OUT OF MY PIOUS BODY DOES NOT MAKE SHIT GREAT OR PIOUS — SHIT IS SHIT IS SHIT —– SO STOP TALKING RIGHTEOUS RELIGION WITHOUT JUSTIFYING IT —– YES U WILL LAY A LIFE OF PEDOPHILE THAT IS UR WISH AND IS UR LIFE — WORLD IS TELLING U THAT THERE IN NOTHING GREAT IN ISLAM OR QURAN OR IN LIFE OF MUHAMMAD —- U STILL WANT TO BECOME TERRORIST U ARE WELCOME TO DO SO ——
now u think abt our points,
I REPLY FAST THINKING IS FOR U TO THINK ABOUT ISLAM QURAN AND MUHAMMAD—– I AM AMAZED U DID NOT TRY TO PROVE EVEN ONE OF MY CLAIMS ABOUT UR RELIGION WRONG — ALL U SAID IS CRITICIZE UR RIGHTEOUS RELIGION — THAT IS ALL U COULD SAY ABOUT ISLAM
no need to reply
NO NEED TO READ UR HEART MIGHT CRY READING THE TRUTH THIS IS FOR ANYONE ELSE WHO COMES HERE AND READS — NOT FOR U….
MAY U TAKE RIGHTEOUS DECISIONS IN UR LIFE…
ANIL
Comment by koul Anil — September 16, 2008 @ 7:45 pm
koul sahab
clarifications abt points u made against our prophet (saw) &islam
arabic word islam means peace
1. first of all quran came as book of hidayah to mankind, it did not came to explain the characters of the parents of prophets(peace be upon them all) but further if u r interested to hav knowledge of all the prophets(mentioned in quran ), parents &
other relatives , suhaba & all others whom dealt with prophet in one or the other way consult the books qassa sul ambia (because we think u r interested in consulting islamic books)further more u can refer bukhari, trimzi,sahi muslim etc where u get a detailed knowledge abt their characters.
2. islam teaches discipline, we muslims do not worship khana kaaba but one allah , khana kaaba(u say makkah) is there to give muslims a unanimous direction all over the world otherwise it wud hav been chaos, further at the time of prophet (saw) azaan was given by a suhaabi standing on kaaba(sharief) can hindus stand on their idols, when map was first made it had south pole up & north pole down kaaba was at its centre then another map was made it had north pole up & south pole up kaaba was still at centre, further we circulate kaaba the logic is that each circle has one centre Allah is also one(little difficult for u to understand)
.I GUESS THAT IS NOT HUMAN RIGHTS VIOLATION — THAT IS NIZAM – E MUSTAFA —- WATCH IUT U CANT ALLOW UR SISTER TO GO OUT WITH FIRST COUSIN IT MIGHT BECOME ZINNAH AND SHE MIGHT BE STONED TO DEATH — WATCH OUT UR SISTER OR DAUGHTER WILL NEED 4 MALE WITNESSES TO PROVE THAT SHE WAS RAPED —- HOW WILL U ASK RAPISTS TO BECOME UR WITNESS — AND IF SHE DOESNOT SHE WILL BE STONED TILL DEATH — SIZE OF STONES IS ALSO DEFINED BY MUHAMMAD ….WAT DO U MEAN BY THIS? PLEASE ELABORATE,IWILL DISCUSS IT ALSO
3 wer has prophet(saw) has taught killing of innocents (do not take verses out of context from QURAN OR HADITH) , i will quote an episode abt character of prophet (saw)- an old woman(non muslim) used to throw garbage at HIM(saw) everytime HE(saw) walked through the street adjoining her house , it continued for many days but once she stopped to throw garbage , HE(saw) went to her house to see wat the matter was , HE(saw) saw the old ill lady instead of ignoring prophet(saw) purchased medicines and swept her house.
I m surprised from wer u get these statements abt prophets character. I suggest u to go to islamic scholar to clarify ur doubts , i m not much praised by Allah so far in having a complete knowledge abt my Islam, u can hav all ur clarifications abt islam & terrorism or anything for free on TV on islamic channels (Dr zakir Naik an eminent islamic scholar has given complete logical answers to all ur questions , he has done debates with top scholars of other religions also & they all did accept that islam is a peace loving religion & prophet(saw) was , is, will be the best PEACE loving man on earth)
U CAN ASK ANY QUESTION ABT ISLAM AND WE WILL BE PLEASED TO ANSWER & CLARIFY UR DOUBTS BECAUSE DAWAH (spreading the right i.E. ISLAM) IS THE BEST WORSHIP ON THIS EARTH , BUT DUE TO OUR STUDIES WE CAN GIVE CLARIFICATIONS OF A FEW NO. OF QUESTIONS DAILY , HOPE U DO NOT TAKE IT OTHERWISE THAT WE CANNOT ANSWER UR QUESTIONS. WELL U SEEM TO BE SEARCHING FOR ONLY ANTI PEACE (U TAKING THEM OUT OF CONTEXT OR NOT KNOWING THE BACKGROUND FOR WICH THE SSTATEMENT HAS BEEN MENTIONED) STATEMENTS FROM QURAN THERE R MANY SCIENTIFIC LAWS ALSO MENTIONED (IN THE 6TH CENTURY) IN QURAN PROVEN IN 20TH CENTURY (FOR INSTANCE – EVEN SEX OF A CHILD IS CONTROLLED BY THE ‘Y’ CHROMOSOME OF MAN IS ALSO MENTIONED & THOUSANDS OF OTHER SCIENTIFIC LAWS CONFIRMED) , ONE REASON THAT QURAN SHARIEF IS A COMPLETE SOLUTION TO PROBLEMS OF MANKIND
Further u quoted an incident in saudi arabia , pal nowhere in quran or hadith (prophet (saw) words) is written that u hav to be in hijab to come out of fire (u hav to blame authorities not Islam) .
KEEPING ISLAM ASIDE U DID NOT ANSWER ME ABT CHATTISINGHPORA , A SINGLE SIKH KILLING INDIRA GANDHI HINDUS WER GOING TO KILL ENTIRE SIKH COMMUNITY EVEN SIKHISM, ORISSA WAT IS GOING THERE -U FIRE CHURCHES -THIS IS 21ST CENTURY MAN, MAN WHY AM I GOING FAR IN JAMMU PETROL BOMBS WER THROWN AT INNOCENT MUSLIM TRUCK DRIVERS (UR KASHMIRI NEIGHBOUR LATIEF AHMAD WAS KILLED AT KATHUA BY HINDU XTREMISTS) , RECORD NO. OF YATRIES (5 & A HALF LAKH -INDIAN GOVERNMENT FIGURES )CAME THIS YEAR EVEN IF PROTESTS WER GOING ON IN VALLEY ,SHIKARA ASSOCIATION (WICH WAS IN COORDINATION CMMMITTEE) MADE LANGAR FACILITIES TO YATRIES WHO HAD GONE OUT OF MONEY. I MAY ALSO LIKE TO SAY THAT THESE WER MUSLIMS (MALIK’S) WHO FOUND UR AMARNATH SHRINE, THESE R MUSLIMS WHO ON THEIR SHOULDERS TAKE HINDU YATRIES TO HOLY CAVE.
Comment by nadim & aadil — September 17, 2008 @ 2:32 pm
nadim & aadil
>koul sahab
>clarifications abt points u made against our prophet (saw) &islam
>arabic word islam means peace
The Myth:
Lesser educated Muslims sometimes claim that the root word of Islam is “al-Salaam,” which is “peace” in Arabic.
The Truth:
The root word for Islam is “al-Silm,” which means “submission” or “surrender.” There is no controversy about this among Islamic scholars.
Submission and peace can be very different concepts, even if a form of peace is often brought about through forcing others into submission. As the
modern-day Islamic scholar, Ibrahim Sulaiman, puts it, “Jihad is not inhumane, despite its necessary violence and bloodshed, its ultimate desire is peace
which is protected and enhanced by the rule of law.”
In truth, the Qur’an not only calls Muslims to submit to Allah, it also commands them to subdue people of other religions until they are in a full state of
submission to Islamic rule. This has inspired the aggressive history of Islam and its success in conquering other cultures.
>1. first of all quran came as book of hidayah to mankind, it did not came to explain the characters of the parents of prophets(peace be upon them all) but
>further if u r interested to hav knowledge of all the prophets(mentioned in quran ), parents &
>other relatives , suhaba & all others whom dealt with prophet in one or the other way consult the books qassa sul ambia (because we think u r interested in
>consulting islamic books)further more u can refer bukhari, trimzi,sahi muslim etc where u get a detailed knowledge abt their characters.
I TRIED TO GOOGLE QASSA SUL AMBIA COULD NOT FIND ANY THING MAY BE LET US KNOW THE ISBN NUMBER — I CAN ALWAYS ADD ONE MORE CRAP TO THE COLLECTION OF CRAP I
HAVE—– ALL IT SHOWED SOME CHINESE STUFF IS THAT WHAT U MEAN….
MUHAMMAD WAS UNGRATEFUL TO HIS OWN PEOPLE AND U SAY ISLAM IS ALL ABOUT PEACE — WHAT HE DID TO HIS OWN UNCLE AT DEATH BED WAS BEYOND IMAGINATION—
DO LOOK AT THIS SITE AND U WILL GET A BETTER GILLIMPSE OF MUHAMMAD AND HIS PEACEFUL MISSION—–
http://www.islam-watch.org/Larry/Muhammad-Massacres-and-Sex-slaves.htm
>2. islam teaches discipline, we muslims do not worship khana kaaba but one allah , khana kaaba(u say makkah) is there to give muslims a unanimous direction
>all over the world otherwise it wud hav been chaos, further at the time of prophet (saw) azaan was given by a suhaabi standing on kaaba(sharief) can hindus
>stand on their idols, when map was first made it had south pole up & north pole down kaaba was at its centre then another map was made it had north pole up
>& south pole up kaaba was still at centre, further we circulate kaaba the logic is that each circle has one centre Allah is also one(little difficult for u
>to understand).
DISCIPLINE TO DO WHAT?? TO KILL OR ????? — IT IS FUNNY — BUT HINDUISM CONCEPT IS SAME GOING AROUND — WHAT U CALL STONE — BECAUSE THAT IS THE CENTER
WHERE OUR MIND FEELS THE TOTAL PRESENCE OF GOD — WHAT WAY ISLAM IS DIFFERENT FROM US IDOL WORSHIPPERS….. AND WHY U THINK UR INTELLIGENCE SURPASSES MINE
AND CONCLUDE “LITTLE DIFFICULT FOR U TO UNDERSTAND”
>I GUESS THAT IS NOT HUMAN RIGHTS VIOLATION — THAT IS NIZAM – E MUSTAFA —- WATCH IUT U CANT ALLOW UR SISTER TO GO OUT WITH FIRST COUSIN IT MIGHT BECOME
>ZINNAH AND SHE MIGHT BE STONED TO DEATH — WATCH OUT UR SISTER OR DAUGHTER WILL NEED 4 MALE WITNESSES TO PROVE THAT SHE WAS RAPED —- HOW WILL U ASK RAPISTS
>TO BECOME UR WITNESS — AND IF SHE DOESNOT SHE WILL BE STONED TILL DEATH — SIZE OF STONES IS ALSO DEFINED BY MUHAMMAD ….WAT DO U MEAN BY THIS? PLEASE
>ELABORATE,IWILL DISCUSS IT ALSO
READ QURAN AND HADITH U WILL KNOW — WHAT KIND OF MUSLIM ARE U —- U NEED TO READ MORE ABOUT SHARIA LAW THAT IS NIZAM-E-MUSTAFA — UR IGNORANCE SHINES
LIKE UR IMAGINARY MOON GOD —–
>3 wer has prophet(saw) has taught killing of innocents (do not take verses out of context from QURAN OR HADITH) , i will quote an episode abt character of
>prophet (saw)- an old woman(non muslim) used to throw garbage at HIM(saw) everytime HE(saw) walked through the street adjoining her house , it continued for
>many days but once she stopped to throw garbage , HE(saw) went to her house to see wat the matter was , HE(saw) saw the old ill lady instead of ignoring
>prophet(saw) purchased medicines and swept her house.
THAT LADY IS SUPPOSED TO BE JEWISH — READ SIR
MUHAMMAD WAS NEVER LIVING IN THE JEWISH NEIGHBORHOODS. JEWS IN MEDINA HAD THEIR QUARTERS. MUHAMMAD WAS SUCH A VENGEFUL MAN THAT HE ORDERED THE ASSASINATION
OF ABU AFAK, 120 YEAR OLD MAN WHO WAS A JEW AND WHOSE CRIME WAS TO COMPOSE A LYRIC RIDICULING MUHAMMAD AND HIS CLAIM. MUHAMMAD ASKED ONE OF HIS FOLLOWERS TO
GET HIM RID OF THIS MAN. ASMA BINT MARWAN WHO WAS A POETESS BECAME SO ANGRYTHAT SHE WROTE A POETRY CURSING THE MEN OF MEDINA FOR LETTING A MECCAN KILL AN OLD
MAN AND DO NOTHING. MUHAMMAD ASKED ONE OF HIS FOLLOWERS WHO VOLUNTEERED TO KILL HER. HE ENTERED IN ASMA’S HOME AND PIERCED HER CHEST WITH HIS SWORD WHILE SHE
WAS ASLEEP WITH HER FIVE CHILDREN BESIDE HER, THE SMALLEST WAS NURSING BABY. HOW CAN SUCH A MAN WHO COULD NOT BEAR SOMEONE CRITICIZING HIM IN POETRY FORGIVE
SOMEONE THROWING GARBAGE AT HIM? THESE STORIES OF GRANDEUR OF MUHAMMAD ALONG WITH THOSE ATTRIBUTING MIRIRACLES TO HIM ARE ALL FORGERIES CONCOCTED BY OVER
ZEALOT BELIEVERS. EVEN TODAY THE FOLLOWERS OF DIVERSE CULTS MAKE STORIES SUCH AS THESE AND ATTRIBUTE THEM TO THEIR GURUS….
THIS STORY IS FAKE. THE MUSLIMS ALLEGEDLY STOLE IT FROM ABDUL BAHA THE FOUNDER OF BAHAISM. THE PROPHET IN THE STORY WAS BAHA AND THE WOMEN WHO USED TO THROW
GARBAGE WAS AN ARAB MUSLIM WOMEN. I CHALLENGE ANY MUSLIM TO PROVIDE AUTHENTIC REFERENCES……
>I m surprised from wer u get these statements abt prophets character.
THANKS TO UR RELIGIOUS TEXTS AND INTERNET…..
> I suggest u to go to islamic scholar to clarify ur doubts , i m not much praised by >Allah so far in having a complete knowledge abt my Islam, u can hav
all ur clarifications abt islam & terrorism or anything for free on TV on islamic >channels (Dr zakir Naik an eminent islamic scholar has given complete
logical answers to all ur questions , he has done debates with top scholars of other >religions also & they all did accept that islam is a peace loving
religion & prophet(saw) was , is, will be the best PEACE loving man on earth)
>U CAN ASK ANY QUESTION ABT ISLAM AND WE WILL BE PLEASED TO ANSWER & CLARIFY UR DOUBTS BECAUSE DAWAH (spreading the right i.E. ISLAM) IS THE BEST WORSHIP ON
>THIS EARTH , BUT DUE TO OUR STUDIES WE CAN GIVE CLARIFICATIONS OF A FEW NO. OF QUESTIONS DAILY , HOPE U DO NOT TAKE IT OTHERWISE THAT WE CANNOT ANSWER UR
>QUESTIONS.
WELL THERE ARE MANY SCHLORS AVAILABLE ON NET AND WHO EXPLAIN QURAN VERY WELL …. IN ONE OF MY EARLIER COMMENTS TO SOME OF UR MUSLIM FRIENDS I DID SHOW THE
ZAKIRS UTUBE VIDEO WHERE HE DOES AGREE WITH TERRORISM AND OSAMA …. SO IS THAT RIGHT … CAN CAN DIG IT BUT IF I PUT MORE THAN ONE LINK HERE THIS WILL NOT
GET PUBLISHED AND WILL LAND IN SPAM…… BUT SEARCH UR SELF — ALSO SOME MUSLIMS DID NOT AGREE WITH ZAKIR AND HAD PUT THAT ALSO ON U TUBE I GUESS THE
MUSLIMS FROM MUMBAI — ALSO THERE IS HUGE INFORMATION ABOUT ZAKIR ON — READ THIS PAGE BUT TYPE IT URSELF AS U CANT CLICK IT BECAUSE I GAVE SPACES
faithfreedom. org/debates/NaikCampbellintro .htm
U COULD NOT FOR SURE ANSWER ANY QUESTION AND WITH EVERY ANSWER I CREATED MORE QUESTIONS IN UR MIND THAT U NEED TO ANSWER URSELF AND SOME TO ME TOO….
>WELL U SEEM TO BE SEARCHING FOR ONLY ANTI PEACE (U TAKING THEM OUT OF CONTEXT OR NOT KNOWING THE BACKGROUND FOR WICH THE SSTATEMENT HAS BEEN MENTIONED)
WRONG NOTION AGAIN I LOVE PEACE AND HARMONY AND I ONLY TALK ABOUT THE REAL REASON OF JEHAD AND KILLINGS ARE NOT BECAUSE OF MUSLIMS BUT BECAUSE OF ISLAM —
ITS TEACHINGS — AND QURAN IN ITSELF
>STATEMENTS FROM QURAN THERE R MANY SCIENTIFIC LAWS ALSO MENTIONED (IN THE 6TH CENTURY) IN QURAN PROVEN IN 20TH CENTURY (FOR INSTANCE – EVEN SEX OF A CHILD
>IS CONTROLLED BY THE ‘Y’ CHROMOSOME OF MAN IS ALSO MENTIONED & THOUSANDS OF OTHER SCIENTIFIC LAWS CONFIRMED) , ONE REASON THAT QURAN SHARIEF IS A COMPLETE
>SOLUTION TO PROBLEMS OF MANKIND
HILLARIOUS WHO TOLD U THIS???? CAN U REFER TO ANY WHERE IN QURAN THAT TALKS ABOUT IT — U JUST CREATE IT LIKE HOW U CREATE 2 1/2 LAKH MUSLIMS DIED—
I DID DISCUSS ABOUT THE CAMEL URINE EARLIER WITH CAMEL MILK — SOME MUSLIMS JUSTIFY THAT ON U TUBE ALSO — SEARCH FOR THAT
I CAN GO FURTHUR IN TELLING HOW U CAN HAVE BOY OR GIRL SCIENTIFICALLY ACCORDING TO ISLAM??? BUT THAT WILL BE xxxx
I CAN ELABORATE HOW PEOPLE GET DIFFERENT COLORS ACCORDING TO ISLAM BUT IT MIGHT BE JOLT TO UR BELEIFS—- SO LOOK AROUND AND DO READ…
>Further u quoted an incident in saudi arabia , pal nowhere in quran or hadith (prophet (saw) words) is written that u hav to be in hijab to come out of fire
>(u hav to blame authorities not Islam) .
ASK THAT TO ISLAMIC POLICE IN SAUDI ARABIA — OR UR FRIEND WAHEED SHEIKH WHO LIVES THERE —-
>KEEPING ISLAM ASIDE U DID NOT ANSWER ME ABT CHATTISINGHPORA , A SINGLE SIKH KILLING INDIRA GANDHI HINDUS WER GOING TO KILL ENTIRE SIKH COMMUNITY EVEN
>SIKHISM, ORISSA WAT IS GOING THERE –
I NEVER AGREE WITH ANY KILLINGS EVEN THAT OF THE MUSLIM EVEN THOUGH HIS RELIGION TEACHES HIM NOTHING BUT KILLING INFIDELS — THAT IS US
>U FIRE CHURCHES -THIS IS 21ST CENTURY MAN, MAN WHY AM I GOING FAR IN JAMMU PETROL BOMBS WER THROWN AT INNOCENT MUSLIM >TRUCK DRIVERS (UR KASHMIRI NEIGHBOUR
LATIEF AHMAD WAS KILLED AT KATHUA BY HINDU XTREMISTS)
I AGREE WITH U FULLY THIS IS 21ST CENTURY — DOSENT SOUND RIGHT TO BE RULED BY 6TH CENTURY WARLORD AND LOOTER —
SEE THE PEACEFUL PLACE LIKE JAMMU TURNED VIOLENT– ACCORDING TO U AND — LOOK WHAT HAPPENS WHEN MUSLIMS TAKE WRONG DECISIONS AND ISLAM SUPPORTS THOSE
DECISIONS AS A COMMON VOICE OF KASHMIRI MUSLIMS —
>RECORD NO. OF YATRIES (5 & A HALF LAKH -INDIAN GOVERNMENT FIGURES )CAME THIS YEAR EVEN IF PROTESTS WER GOING ON IN VALLEY ,SHIKARA ASSOCIATION (WICH WAS IN
>COORDINATION CMMMITTEE) MADE LANGAR FACILITIES TO YATRIES WHO HAD GONE OUT OF MONEY. I MAY ALSO LIKE TO SAY THAT THESE WER MUSLIMS (MALIK’S) WHO FOUND UR
>AMARNATH SHRINE, THESE R MUSLIMS WHO ON THEIR SHOULDERS TAKE HINDU YATRIES TO HOLY CAVE.
LOOK AT IT THAT HINDUS HAVE A HUGE COURAGE AND LOVE OF GOD THAT MADE THEM COME EVEN IN HOSTILE SITUATION TO AMARNATH….. KASHMIRI MUSLIMS SPEND 5 RS AND
TAKE 5000 RS FOR THAT FROM GOI — DO U KNOW HOW MANY HAJIS GET HOW MUCH SUBSIDY TO GO TO SEE LORD SHIVE AT HAJ????
I AM REMINDED OF NEW TOPIC BY EDITOR—- WHEN IT WAS ASKED THAT THE CLOTHS OF RISHI KASHAYAP WERE STOLEN BY PAKISTANI AND THE PAKISTANI GOT UP AND SAID THAT
WAS WRONG BECAUSE PAKISTAN NEVER EXISTED AT THAT TIME — SAME WAY MY DEAR COME OUT OF IGNORANCE ABOUT MALIKS — THESE ARE CONCORTED STORIES LIKE U SAID
ABOUT THE MUHAMMAD AND THE LADY THROWING GARBAGE….. ISLAM IS JUST COME INTO EXISTENCE AND BEFORE U REALIZE IT WILL BE IN THE DUSTBIN OF HISTORY AND WORLD
WILL BE PEACEFUL —- HAVE FUN AND LIVE LONGER WITHOUT ISLAM
ANIL
Comment by koul Anil — September 17, 2008 @ 5:06 pm
nadim & aadil
DECIDED TO CUT WHAT WAS WRITTEN BY U SO THAT THERE WILL BE EASE IN READING MY COMMENTS
The Myth:
Lesser educated Muslims sometimes claim that the root word of Islam is “al-Salaam,” which is “peace” in Arabic.
The Truth:
The root word for Islam is “al-Silm,” which means “submission” or “surrender.” There is no controversy about this among Islamic scholars.
Submission and peace can be very different concepts, even if a form of peace is often brought about through forcing others into submission. As the
modern-day Islamic scholar, Ibrahim Sulaiman, puts it, “Jihad is not inhumane, despite its necessary violence and bloodshed, its ultimate desire is peace
which is protected and enhanced by the rule of law.”
In truth, the Qur’an not only calls Muslims to submit to Allah, it also commands them to subdue people of other religions until they are in a full state of
submission to Islamic rule. This has inspired the aggressive history of Islam and its success in conquering other cultures.
I TRIED TO GOOGLE QASSA SUL AMBIA COULD NOT FIND ANY THING MAY BE LET US KNOW THE ISBN NUMBER — I CAN ALWAYS ADD ONE MORE CRAP TO THE COLLECTION OF CRAP I
HAVE—– ALL IT SHOWED SOME CHINESE STUFF IS THAT WHAT U MEAN….
MUHAMMAD WAS UNGRATEFUL TO HIS OWN PEOPLE AND U SAY ISLAM IS ALL ABOUT PEACE — WHAT HE DID TO HIS OWN UNCLE AT DEATH BED WAS BEYOND IMAGINATION—
DO LOOK AT THIS SITE AND U WILL GET A BETTER GILLIMPSE OF MUHAMMAD AND HIS PEACEFUL MISSION—–
http://www.islam-watch.org/Larry/Muhammad-Massacres-and-Sex-slaves.htm
DISCIPLINE TO DO WHAT?? TO KILL OR ????? — IT IS FUNNY — BUT HINDUISM CONCEPT IS SAME GOING AROUND — WHAT U CALL STONE — BECAUSE THAT IS THE CENTER
WHERE OUR MIND FEELS THE TOTAL PRESENCE OF GOD — WHAT WAY ISLAM IS DIFFERENT FROM US IDOL WORSHIPPERS….. AND WHY U THINK UR INTELLIGENCE SURPASSES MINE
AND CONCLUDE “LITTLE DIFFICULT FOR U TO UNDERSTAND”
READ QURAN AND HADITH U WILL KNOW — WHAT KIND OF MUSLIM ARE U —- U NEED TO READ MORE ABOUT SHARIA LAW THAT IS NIZAM-E-MUSTAFA — UR IGNORANCE SHINES
LIKE UR IMAGINARY MOON GOD —–
THAT LADY IS SUPPOSED TO BE JEWISH — READ SIR
MUHAMMAD WAS NEVER LIVING IN THE JEWISH NEIGHBORHOODS. JEWS IN MEDINA HAD THEIR QUARTERS. MUHAMMAD WAS SUCH A VENGEFUL MAN THAT HE ORDERED THE ASSASINATION
OF ABU AFAK, 120 YEAR OLD MAN WHO WAS A JEW AND WHOSE CRIME WAS TO COMPOSE A LYRIC RIDICULING MUHAMMAD AND HIS CLAIM. MUHAMMAD ASKED ONE OF HIS FOLLOWERS TO
GET HIM RID OF THIS MAN. ASMA BINT MARWAN WHO WAS A POETESS BECAME SO ANGRYTHAT SHE WROTE A POETRY CURSING THE MEN OF MEDINA FOR LETTING A MECCAN KILL AN OLD
MAN AND DO NOTHING. MUHAMMAD ASKED ONE OF HIS FOLLOWERS WHO VOLUNTEERED TO KILL HER. HE ENTERED IN ASMA’S HOME AND PIERCED HER CHEST WITH HIS SWORD WHILE SHE
WAS ASLEEP WITH HER FIVE CHILDREN BESIDE HER, THE SMALLEST WAS NURSING BABY. HOW CAN SUCH A MAN WHO COULD NOT BEAR SOMEONE CRITICIZING HIM IN POETRY FORGIVE
SOMEONE THROWING GARBAGE AT HIM? THESE STORIES OF GRANDEUR OF MUHAMMAD ALONG WITH THOSE ATTRIBUTING MIRIRACLES TO HIM ARE ALL FORGERIES CONCOCTED BY OVER
ZEALOT BELIEVERS. EVEN TODAY THE FOLLOWERS OF DIVERSE CULTS MAKE STORIES SUCH AS THESE AND ATTRIBUTE THEM TO THEIR GURUS….
THIS STORY IS FAKE. THE MUSLIMS ALLEGEDLY STOLE IT FROM ABDUL BAHA THE FOUNDER OF BAHAISM. THE PROPHET IN THE STORY WAS BAHA AND THE WOMEN WHO USED TO THROW
GARBAGE WAS AN ARAB MUSLIM WOMEN. I CHALLENGE ANY MUSLIM TO PROVIDE AUTHENTIC REFERENCES……
THANKS TO UR RELIGIOUS TEXTS AND INTERNET WER GAIN SO MUCH KNOWLEDGE ABUT TRUE ISLAM…..
WELL THERE ARE MANY SCHLORS AVAILABLE ON NET AND WHO EXPLAIN QURAN VERY WELL …. IN ONE OF MY EARLIER COMMENTS TO SOME OF UR MUSLIM FRIENDS I DID SHOW THE
ZAKIRS UTUBE VIDEO WHERE HE DOES AGREE WITH TERRORISM AND OSAMA …. SO IS THAT RIGHT … CAN CAN DIG IT BUT IF I PUT MORE THAN ONE LINK HERE THIS WILL NOT
GET PUBLISHED AND WILL LAND IN SPAM…… BUT SEARCH UR SELF — ALSO SOME MUSLIMS DID NOT AGREE WITH ZAKIR AND HAD PUT THAT ALSO ON U TUBE I GUESS THE
MUSLIMS FROM MUMBAI — ALSO THERE IS HUGE INFORMATION ABOUT ZAKIR ON — READ THIS PAGE BUT TYPE IT URSELF AS U CANT CLICK IT BECAUSE I GAVE SPACES
faithfreedom. org/debates/NaikCampbellintro .htm
U COULD NOT FOR SURE ANSWER ANY QUESTION AND WITH EVERY ANSWER I CREATED MORE QUESTIONS IN UR MIND THAT U NEED TO ANSWER URSELF AND SOME TO ME TOO….
WRONG NOTION AGAIN I LOVE PEACE AND HARMONY AND I ONLY TALK ABOUT THE REAL REASON OF JEHAD AND KILLINGS ARE NOT BECAUSE OF MUSLIMS BUT BECAUSE OF ISLAM —
ITS TEACHINGS — AND QURAN IN ITSELF
ABOUT Y CHROMOSOMES AND QURAN — HILLARIOUS WHO TOLD U THIS???? CAN U REFER TO ANY WHERE IN QURAN THAT TALKS ABOUT IT — U JUST CREATE IT LIKE HOW U CREATE 2 1/2 LAKH MUSLIMS DIED—
I DID DISCUSS ABOUT THE CAMEL URINE EARLIER WITH CAMEL MILK — SOME MUSLIMS JUSTIFY THAT ON U TUBE ALSO — SEARCH FOR THAT
I CAN GO FURTHUR IN TELLING HOW U CAN HAVE BOY OR GIRL SCIENTIFICALLY ACCORDING TO ISLAM??? BUT THAT WILL BE xxxx
I CAN ELABORATE HOW PEOPLE GET DIFFERENT COLORS ACCORDING TO ISLAM BUT IT MIGHT BE JOLT TO UR BELEIFS—- SO LOOK AROUND AND DO READ…
ASK THAT TO ISLAMIC POLICE IN SAUDI ARABIA ABOUT THE BURNING VICTIM GIRLS OR READ NEWS — OR UR FRIEND WAHEED SHEIKH WHO LIVES THERE —-
I NEVER AGREE WITH ANY KILLINGS EVEN THAT OF THE MUSLIM EVEN THOUGH HIS RELIGION TEACHES HIM NOTHING BUT KILLING INFIDELS — THAT IS US
I AGREE WITH U FULLY THIS IS 21ST CENTURY — DOSENT SOUND RIGHT TO BE RULED BY 6TH CENTURY WARLORD AND LOOTER —
SEE THE PEACEFUL PLACE LIKE JAMMU TURNED VIOLENT– ACCORDING TO U AND — LOOK WHAT HAPPENS WHEN MUSLIMS TAKE WRONG DECISIONS AND ISLAM SUPPORTS THOSE
DECISIONS AS A COMMON VOICE OF KASHMIRI MUSLIMS —
LOOK AT IT THAT HINDUS HAVE A HUGE COURAGE AND LOVE OF GOD THAT MADE THEM COME EVEN IN HOSTILE SITUATION TO AMARNATH….. KASHMIRI MUSLIMS SPEND 5 RS AND
TAKE 5000 RS FOR THAT FROM GOI — DO U KNOW HOW MANY HAJIS GET HOW MUCH SUBSIDY TO GO TO SEE LORD SHIVE AT HAJ????
I AM REMINDED OF NEW TOPIC BY EDITOR—- WHEN IT WAS ASKED THAT THE CLOTHS OF RISHI KASHAYAP WERE STOLEN BY PAKISTANI AND THE PAKISTANI GOT UP AND SAID THAT
WAS WRONG BECAUSE PAKISTAN NEVER EXISTED AT THAT TIME — SAME WAY MY DEAR COME OUT OF IGNORANCE ABOUT MALIKS — THESE ARE CONCORTED STORIES LIKE U SAID
ABOUT THE MUHAMMAD AND THE LADY THROWING GARBAGE….. ISLAM IS JUST COME INTO EXISTENCE AND BEFORE U REALIZE IT WILL BE IN THE DUSTBIN OF HISTORY AND WORLD
WILL BE PEACEFUL —- HAVE FUN AND LIVE LONGER WITHOUT ISLAM
ANIL
Comment by koul Anil — September 17, 2008 @ 5:12 pm
NADIM AND AADIL ….
BELOW ARE THE TWO COMMENTS WRITTEN ON THIS BLOG ON ANOTHER PAGE….. THOUGHT THIS MIGHT INTEREST U AND U CAN SEE REAL ISLAM AT WORK IN SAUDI —- CALL HUMAN RIGHTS NOW …. READ BELOW AND DO CLICK ON THE LINK….
UR OWN
ANIL
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pamposh said, on September 13th, 2008 at 1:25 pm
Saudi police ’stopped’ fire rescue
Mecca Saudi Arabia
Saudi Arabia’s religious police stopped schoolgirls from leaving a blazing building because they were not wearing correct Islamic dress, according to Saudi newspapers.
About 800 girls were inside the school in the holy city of Mecca when the tragedy occurred.
One witness said he saw three policemen “beating young girls to prevent them from leaving the school because they were not wearing abhaya and veil. A large number of girls were burnt alive while their relatives watched helplessly from outside.
(jazakallah khair. Those guards will inshallah get janna for steadfastly upholding Allah’s laws)
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Koul Anil said, on September 13th, 2008 at 1:42 pm
PAMPOSH — THANKS FOR THE ABOVE INFORMATION….
SEE THE REAL FACE OF ISLAM, PAMPOSH HAS GIVEN ABOVE INFORMATION AND I DID GOOGLE IT AND FOUND IT TO ME 100% TRUE — I AM AMAZED AT THE VALUE ISLAM GIVES TO HUMAN LIFE—- KASHMIRI MUSLIM GIRLS AND THERE MOTHERS SHOULD READ IT …. HERE IS THE SOURCE FROM BBC
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/1874471.stm
OF COURSE PEOPLE LIKE MANJEET WILL CALL THERE ENGLISH FRIENDS AND AND THEN THEY CAN CALL BBC AND INFORM THEM THAT ABOVE NEWS IS TO MAKE ISLAM SMALLER— AND THE MORE THEY SAY MORE PEOPLE WILL CONVERT TO ISLAM —- BIG JOKE….
ANIL
Comment by Koul Anil — September 17, 2008 @ 8:07 pm
what does the indian constitution gaurantee according to congress?
1. it gaurantees safety of nehru(gandhi) family only.
2. it gaurantees rahul gandhi as next prime minister.
3. it gaurantees muslims to perfom terrorists activities.
4. it gaurantees majority hindus as beggers and depicts them as non-seculars.
5. it gaurantees lalu and paswan to support SIMI.
6. it gaurantees always congress govt to be at the centre and in other states.
7. it gaurantees food for oil money to congress head person.
8. it gaurantees when muslim is caught for terrorist charges outside india, our prime minister to go without sleep.
9. it gaurantees haj subsidy.
10.it gaurantees bofors money to sonia & co.
God also connot save this country from this govt.
venkat
Comment by venkat — September 18, 2008 @ 9:03 am
koul sahab
I am a kashmiri, its my crime…..
“I am a Muslim” kill me and call it “COLLATERAL DAMAGE” imprison me and call it “SECURITY MEASURES” exile my people and masses and call it”NEW MIDDLE EAST” Rob my resources, Invade my land, Alter my leadership and call it “DEMOCRACY”
I deserve to be humilated. I deserve to be harrsed. I deserve to be mauled. I deserve to be killed. Just becuase ” I AM A KASHMIRI”
I demand my rights, it is my crime. I demand my dignity, it is my crime. I demand life, it is my crime. I am a KASHMIRI, it is my crime. but i am proud of commiting this crime.
I want to live, but a living life. Not a dead man’s life. I can die struggling for freedom rather than giving it up and living.
CLARIFICATIONS OF THE MISCONCEPTIONS ABT ISLAM AMONG NON MUSLIMS……
Misconception # 1: It is not civilized to have more than one wife at a time.
Reply: The only religious book that says: “… then marry only once” is the Quran, the holy book of the Muslims. This injunction is not found in the Christian Bible in the Hindu Geeta, or in the Jewish holy book etc. In the Bible there are so many references to various prophets and kings who had numerous wives. Abraham had three wives, while King Solomon had seven hundred wives, etc. In the Hindu literature the various gods have hundreds of wives. Krishna had one thousand women and concubines. Similarly, the Jews used to marry more than once, till as late as the 1950s. None of these faiths regulated the number of wives a man could have at a time. Only Islam limits the wives to four.
The monogamy that the Christians, the Hindus, and Jews practice today, is not from their religion, but from their government. So the issue of monogamy has no religious significance; it is a man-made rule. Monogamy was the result of an act of parliament, not their faith. Example: The Indian Parliament in 1954 passed the Hindu Marriage Act prohibiting the Hindu male from taking up more than one wife. The Jewish Rabbis in the 10th Century AD made monogamy a rule, although it was not enforced till as late as the 1950s. Similarly, the European countries and the American government passed laws to make monogamy the rule in their lands some time ago. Mormons still marry more than once.
In Surah Nissah God allows a Muslim to marry, one, two, three or four women as long as he can do justice between them. If the man can’t do justice, the exhortation for him is: “… then marry only once”.
Marrying more than once is not compulsory, but only an option to tide over unique circumstances that societies face from time to time. You will find in many societies today that the ratio between females and males is not 50:50. There are more females than males in Europe, USA and elsewhere. On the other hand, in India, because of the rampant female fetus abortions, the number of females is dropping, and a crisis is in the making, as not enough number of females will be available for Hindu men to marry a few years from now.
The option for women in countries with a bigger female ratio than male is to share a husband with another women, to remain single, or to become public property. “Become public property” is a decent phrase I’m using for what it really means. Ask any woman who cannot find an unmarried man to marry, if it is a better choice to share a husband with another woman, to remain single, or to become a mere mistress. As a lawfully wedded wife she will get the same right as the first wife, get legal status for herself and her children, get inheritance rights for herself and her children, and most importantly, get respect and dignity. Becoming a mistress is no choice. In the West becoming a mistress or a girlfriend is no problem, but becoming a second wife is totally unacceptable. The government will come after you, the society will come after you…
Misconception # 2: There is no equality between genders in Islam, as Islam gives men the right to have more than one wife, but does it not give the same right to women to have more than one husband.
Reply: Islam does not approve of polyandry, i.e., a woman taking up more than one husband. It is the male whose children the women bear. If a woman had multiple husbands, it would not be easy to know who is the biological father of the child. When a child is conceived, God puts love and affection in the hearts of the parents so that they can bring up the child. Without this love, life cannot be sustained. But if there was dispute about who really has fathered the child, there would be no love in the heart of the fathers. Psychologists say that children who grow up without knowing who their father is, are lacking in stability and maturity. These days because of scientific progress in DNA testing, one can say who the father is; but these tests were not available for mankind till now. Islam has historically provided for peace and stability in the family, not discord.
Misconception # 3: Islam subjugates women in a veil.
Reply: If you look at history, to ancient civilizations, you will find that women were the oppressed people. They had no individual merit. The Babylonians used to punish the woman for her husband’s mistakes. The ancient Egyptians did the same. Ancient Arabs buried their newly born daughters.
It was Islam that uplifted the status of women. It gave women rights they never had before. Surah Nissah exhorts believing men to lower their gaze if a lady is passing by. Similarly, there are exhortations for women to lower their gaze if strange men are around. The Quran also speaks about the hijab for men and women to protect the modesty. The hijab for men is to cover their bodies minimally from their navel to the knees. The hijab for women is to cover their whole bodies except for their faces and hands below their wrists. There are descriptions for a female hijab, that it should cover the endowments including head, not be tight, not be transparent, not be like the clothes of non-believers, and not be like the clothes of the other gender, etc. Women got the right to own, inherit property, and to dispose it of at will.
Let me ask you a question: Suppose two identical twin sisters are walking down a street, and one of them is dressed in revealing clothing, while the other one is wearing a hijab. Who will be boys in the street whistle at or tease: the one who is scantily dressed in a mini-skirt, or the one who is modestly attired? The answer is obvious. The hijab is designed to prevent women from being molested. It brings peace to society and prevents mischief.
Misconception # 4: Capital punishment is barbaric.
Reply: There are crimes for which Islam prescribes capital punishment, e.g. for rape, murder etc. This is to protect society from criminals and anti-social elements. In USA there are 2713 rapes taking place every day. In Islam, the penalty is to award the death penalty so that the criminal is not around to repeat this crime, and to teach others a lesson. Americans say that this is a severe punishment. They say that the rapist must be put in jail for the first rape. If after his release he rapes again, then it is ok to put him to death. Friends, statistics in USA show that 95 percent of the rapists, after release from jail, rape again. Islam prevents this second rape. Following the Hijab dress code prevents the rapist from temptation to rape.
Misconception # 5: Islam was spread by the sword.
Reply: Nothing is far from the truth. It was the Islamic traders who served as excellent role models in the spread of Islam. In the book: “Islam at crossroads”, the author, on page 8, says that this belief is a myth. Look at the number of Coptic Christians in Egypt. They number 14 million. Couldn’t the Arabs have wiped them out or forcefully converted them to Islam? Look at India. In the 1,0000 years that the Muslims ruled over this subcontinent, every one could have been forcefully converted to Islam. How can you explain that there are 800 million Hindus and others still in India? Which Muslim army went to Indonesia and Malaysia to convert them? These people converted by seeing the good behaviors of the Muslim/Arab traders. Readers’ Digest says that between 1944 and 1984, a period of 50 years, saw more conversion to Islam in Europe and USA than to any faith. I am asking you, who went with a sword to convert these people to Islam? It is the sword of the intellect that converts people.
Misconception # 6: Muslims are fundamentalists.
Reply: What is the definition of the word fundamentalist? The dictionary says anyone who understands the basics of a discipline is a fundamentalist. Can you call yourself a mathematician if you can’t understand the fundamentals of mathematics? No! Similarly, to be called a scientist, you must understand the fundamentals of science. There can be a positive fundamentalist and a negative fundamentalist. A thief/robber who is an expert at the fundamentals of robbing is bad; but a doctor who knows the fundamentals of healing is good. I submit that no fundamentals of Islam are against humanity. How can you be a good Muslim if you do not understand the fundamentals of Islam? How can you practice Islam? According to the Webster’s dictionary, the word fundamentalist was first used on Christians; however, the new Oxford dictionary lists Muslims as fundamentalists.
Every Muslim should understand the fundamentals of Islam, and should be a fundamentalist. I am proud to call myself a ‘Muslim Fundamentalist’. I submit that every Muslim should be a terrorist. Just as the policeman strikes terror in the heart of the thief, so should every Muslim strike terror in the heart of the thief, the rapist and other anti-social elements!
The word fundamentalist is open to wide interpretation, just like the word freedom fighter. In olden days, the British would label those Indians fighting for India’s freedom as terrorists; while for the Indians, these were freedom fighters.
Misconception # 7: Muslims are ruthless non-vegetarian people.
Reply: God has granted Muslims the choice to be vegetarians as well as non-vegetarians. He has ordained in the holy book that everything that he has created in this world is for the enjoyment/pleasure of man (with certain restrictions and limits). It is ok for a Muslim to be a vegetarian by choice; it is also ok for him to be a non-vegetarian by choice.
Science tells us that animal flesh is a complete protein food. It is easier to digest than the vegetarian food. If you look at the teeth of carnivorous animals like a tiger or a lion they are sharp and pointed, designed to tear flesh. The tiger and lion can eat only flesh; they cannot digest leaves and grass. On the other hand, the teeth of herbivorous animals like the cow and camel are flat. Designed to chew grass and leaves. These herbivorous animals can’t digest flesh. But if you examine the teeth of human beings, they are both canine i.e. sharp and pointed, as well as flat. Therefore human beings can chew both vegetarian foods as well as non-vegetarian foods. Humans can digest plant foods as well as flesh. This ability to enjoy and digest both vegetarian as well as non-vegetarian food is a gift of God to humans.
Hindu scriptures permit the eating of flesh. In fact, their books are replete with incidents showing festivals and ceremonies where meat was served. When Jainism and Buddhism started to become popular with their philosophies of ahimsa, i.e., non-violence towards animals, and started to win converts from Hindus, the Hindus priests adapted the same philosophy of ahimsa to win back those who had left the Hindu fold. This is how Hinduism changed over to vegetarianism.
If no one eats meat the number of cattle will be uncontrollable. It will be a big problem about how to dispose of them.
Misconception # 8: Muslims eat animals and behave like animals.
Reply: There is a saying that you are what you eat. Muslims eat only herbivorous animals (animals that eat only plants, grass, leaves etc). These animals are peaceful animals, like goat, lamb etc. Therefore, we are peaceful people. Muslims are prevented from eating carnivorous animals, i.e. animals that eat other animals. The holy prophet has prohibited us from eating snakes, lizards, cats, dogs, birds of prey etc.
Some non-Muslims say that allowing slaughtered animals to bleed to death is torturing the animals. It is better to behead them in one quick shot on the neck. Some Muslims’ response to this is that the non-Muslims attach the animals from behind, like cowards; while Muslims confront the animal in a manly manner, face-to-face, from the front. Of course this is not a good reason; it is only a joke.
Scientific tests have proven that when the animal’s throat is slit along with the windpipe and the vein (without damage to the spinal cord), the animal dies a painless death. The animal twitches its legs, it is not because of pain but because the heart has pumped out all the blood from the legs. It is this twitching of the lags, this thrashing about of the dying animal that leads the non-Muslim to believe that the animal is in pain. Blood carries toxins and impurities that are harmful for humans. Islam prohibits the eating/drinking of blood. Meat without blood lasts longer than meat with blood in it.
Misconception # 9: Going around the Kabah is idol worship.
Reply: No religion is more vocal in condemning idol worship than Islam. The Muslims do not worship Kabah, only God, or Allah. While circumambulating the Kabah they chant: La Illa Ha Ill-lal-lah. (There is no object worthy of worship but Allah).
The Kabah is for unifying Muslims at prayer. It would be chaotic if Muslims prayed in any direction they chose. The Kabah provides a chance to unify in prayer as all Muslims face one spot, the Kabah. Throughout the globe people from various countries face North, South, East and West only to face the Kabah. When the Arabs drew the map of the globe, they put Makkah in the center; but when the Western people gained power, they put Greenwich in the center. But if you look at the map, Makkah continues to be in the center of the globe even today. Alhamdulillah!
Some accuse Muslims to be idol worshippers because they kiss the black rock at Kabah. This they do only because they saw the prophet do it. The black stone has no power to benefit or harm you. In olden times, the call to prayer was given by standing on the top of Kabah. If Muslims were idol worshippers, would they stand on top of their ‘idol’ and call people to pray. Does a Hindu or a Christian stand on top of their idols and call others to join in the worship?
Misconception # 10: Muslims are wrong in preventing non-Muslims from visiting Makkah.
Reply: Allah has prohibited this. Makkah is not a place of tourism, but a place of reverence and worship. A non-Muslim has no reverence for Makkah, and therefore should not be there as a mere spectator.
Although I am an Indian, I can’t go to the cantonment area in Bombay where the military is based. I need a special permit. Similarly, all countries have their own rules to allow visitors in. Applicants must meet certain conditions insisted on by the host country. I had to meet the conditions of the US Government to visit USA. Similarly, there are conditions to visit Makkah. The condition is: You must recite from your heart “La illa-ha-ill-lal-lah, Mohammed-ur rasul Allah” (I bear witness that there is no object worthy of worship except Allah, and that Mohammed is the messenger of Allah).
Misconception # 11: Muslims wrongly don’t eat pork
Reply: God has prohibited pork. There are several references even in the Bible where swine meat is prohibited. Science has associated 70 diseases with swine meat, the most dangerous being tapeworm, for which there is no cure. It causes irreparable damage to the insides of human beings. Even if a pig has been raised on a farm and its flesh is cooked very well at high temperatures, certain germs never die. The pig is a filthy animal; it eats human excreta. It has to protective instinct for its female. It is a shameless animal. Therefore people who eat its flesh, have no shame if their females mate with other men.
WELL SIR WEN WE QUOTE AN EPISODE FROM HADITH U CALL THEY ARE UNAUTHENTIC , WEN U QUOTE EPISODE WRITTEN NOWHERE IN ISLAMIC BOOKS, IT IS AUTHENTIC. THIS IS THE BEST WAY TO ATTACK MAN, KEEP IT UP….
U WER SAYING THAT WE KASHMIRIS COOK UP NUMBERS (WEN WE QUOTED ABT JAMMU RIOTS IN 1947) , SIR WAT R THE REAL NO.S THEN ,IS IT IN LAKHS OR THOUSANDS (U KEEP WATCH ON NO.S).
HINDUS COMMIT CRIME , U JUST CONDEMN IT…..WEN MUSLIMS COMMIT IT, U BLAME NIZAM-E-MUSTAFA (SAW),
KRISHAN ORDERED ARJUN TO KILL HIS BROTHERS (IS NOT IT AN ACT OF TERROT)…. HOW CAN U CLARIFY IT
U BLOCK SUPPLIES TO KASHMIR , EVEN MEDICINE & SAY U R PEACE LOVING, – MAN EVEN IN WARS SUPPLY OF MEDICINES IS NOT STOPPED
U R TALKING ABT SUBSIDIES TO MUSLIMS FOR HAJ , DO U KNOW GOVERNMENT PAYS ABT 26 LAKHS AS TRANSPORT BILL TO AMARNATH SADUS , A TWO PAGE COMMUNICATON(NO. 402/857/ANY-2008) BY DC JAMMU
THIS ABT KASHMIRIS SERVICE TO YATRIES ,PANDITS LIK U ALWAYS BALANCE KHIDMAT & MONEY IN SAME TARAZOO(BALANCE)
ABT DEMOCRACY::
JAMHOORIAT IK TARZI-HUKUMAT HAI KI JIS MAIL BANDON KO GINA KARTE HAIN TOLA NAHI KARTEY.(DEMOCRACY IS A FORM OF GOVERNANCE IN WICH SLAVES R MERELY COUNTED & NEVER WEIGHED.
MORE IN WORDS OF ALLAMA IQBAL(R.A) :: GUREIZ AZ TARZ-I-JOMHOOR-I GHULAM-E-PUKHTE KARAY SHAVL KI AZ MUGHZ-E-DU-SED KAHR FIKRI INSAANAY NAME AYAAD(FLEE FROM THE DEMOCRATIC SYSTEM & SUBMIT TO A MATURE SOUL , AS THE BRAINS OF TWO HUNDRED ASSES CANNOT PRODUCE ONE HUMAN BRAIN)
OF COURSE NO ONE CAN HAVE A QUARRELWITH THE SSPIRIT OF DEMOCRACY WICH IMPLIES THAT ALL COLLECTIVE MATTERS INCLUDING THE APPOINTMENT OF RULERS SHOULD BE DECIDED BY THE CONSENT OF THE PEOPLE. THIS SPIRIT IS HOWEVER HONOURED MORE IN BREACH THAN IN OBSERVANCE. AS CARIN JODHA FISCHER HAS TELLINGLY POINTED OUT U DENY THE VERY SAME DEMOCRACY TO OTHERS BY WHICH U SWEAR AT HOME, U HAV ONE LAW FOR UR PEOPLE & ANOTHER LAW FOR THE PEOPLE UNDER UR SUBJUGATION.
MORE WRITES IQBAL(R.A.) DEV-I ISTIBAD JAMHOORI QABA MAI PAIKOOB/ TU SAMAJHTA HAI KI AZAADY KI HAI NEELAM PARI.(CLOTHED IN A DEMOCRACY GARB , IT IS THE GIANT OF TYRANNY WHO STRIDES/ WHILE U R MISLED TO BELIEVE THAT IT IS THE NEELAM FAIRY OF FREEDOM)………
ABT SCIENTIFIC FACTS, IWILL PROVIDE WITH U ONE EVERYDAY::::
1- In the Noble Quran:
Let us look at what Allah Almighty said in the Noble Quran:
“Now let man but think From what he is created! He is created from A drop emitted — Proceedings from between the backbone and the ribs: Surely (Allah) is able To bring him back (To life)! The Day that (All) things secret Will be tested, (Man) will have No power, And no helper. (The Noble Quran, 86:5-10)”
Where does the male’s semen come from?
“A man’s seed is the quintessence of his body. It is therefore said metaphorically to proceed from his loins, i.e., from his back between the hipbones and his ribs. His backbone is the source and symbol of his strength and personality. In his spinal cord and in the brain is the directive energy of the central nervous system, and this directs all action, organic and psychic. The spinal cord is continuous with the Medulla Oblongata in the brain.” [2]
“Verily We created Man from a drop of mingled sperm, In order to try him: So We gave him (the gifts), Of Hearing and Sight. (The Noble Quran, 76:2)”
“Mingled: the female ovum has to be fertilised with the male sperm before a new animal can be born. Man as an animal has this humble origin. But he has been given the gift of certain faculties of receiving instruction (typified by Hearing) and of intellectual and spiritual insight (typified by Sight). His life has therefore a meaning: with a certain amount of free will, he is to be Allah’s vicegerent on earth (2:30). But he must be trained and tried, and that is the whole problem of human life.” [3]
Important Note: How could Muhammad peace be upon him have guessed 1400 years ago that the backbone or the “spine” as we call it today play a very essential role in the creation of humans? Also, how could he have guessed that the male is the one that determines the fetus sex since we are created from “drop emitted — Proceedings from between the backbone and the ribs”? Only the male’s semen is visibly “drop emitted” during ejaculation.
The sex of the fetus is determined by the father’s sperm. The female ovum contains only the X chromosomes. If the sperm, or the “emitted drop (as the Noble Quran called it)”, or the ejaculated drop contains the Y chromosome, then the baby will be a male, otherwise the baby will be a female.
Non of the information above exist in the Bible or any other religious book. There is no way Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him could’ve guessed it all 1400 years ago. It had to be a Divine Revelation from Allah Almighty.
2- Scientific and Medical Web Sites confirming the Noble Quran’s claim:
Does Semen Emanate From Between the Ribs and the Back? From the Understanding Islam web site.
Sexuality for men with spinal cord injuries. This web site explains the importance of the spinal cord to the ability for the male to produce children. The spinal cord is attached to the spine, which is the “backbone” as Allah Almighty called it in the Noble Quran.
A VOICE FROM UNITED STATES::::
Many mainstream Muslims also have a problem with the tide of misunderstanding in the United States. “We always need to explain so many issues, “ says Hassan Qacwini, Imam of the Islamic Center of America in Detroit. The most common misunderstanding, according to Qacwini, is that Islam fosters violence, a perception reconfirmed whenever extremist groups set off suicide bombs or massacre tourists in the Middle East.
“Islam is a peaceful religion,” says Qacwini. “Some would try to connect terrorism to Islam, which is wrong.” Many Americans looked for a Muslim scapegoat when the Alfred P. Murrah building blew up in 1995. “After the Oklahoma City bombing, people said it was Middle East terrorists,” says Abdulhadi. Several Middle Eastern men were briefly detained, and there were reports of harassment against Muslims, including beatings and a mosque burning. Some Muslims point out that when Timothy McVeigh was arrested, no one accused him of bombing the federal building for religious reasons. “Nobody talks about McVeigh as Christian terrorist,” says Haedad.
Islam Liberates Black Americans
Cambel, 23, has joined one of the fastest growing religions in the United States. Experts agree Islam is one of the fastest growing religions in America. As many as five million Muslims live in the United States and in the last five years, the number of mosques in this country has increased from 843 to about 1,300. Most of the growth has come from immigration, but much of it is home-grown. For many black Americans, Islam has become the religion of choice and some one million—mostly men—have converted. “It is an American phenomenon, which started in the ghettoes of the north,” says Yvonne Haedad, a professor of history of Islam and of Christian-Muslim Relations at Georgetown University. “It is a response to racism…it is seen as the religion of liberation.” Louis Farrakhan’s Nation of Islam has become the most prominent black Islamic group in the United States. Black men in bow ties and dark suits emphasize the strict discipline of the order, which emphasizes empowerment, a key theme of the Million Man March on Washington in 1995. But Farrakhan’s anti-Semitic remarks—calling Jews “bloodsuckers” who took from the community to build their own—have brought controversy and publicity to the group. “It’s very visible, because Farrakhan is very visible,” says Fahhim Abdulhadi, spokesman for the American Muslim Council. “Muslims in mainstream have lots of problems with Farrakhan.”
THANKS FOR READING & UNDERSTANDING……
I WILL LOVE TO ANSWER AS MANY QUESTIONS AS U CAN…..
SOON I WILL ANSWER ABT UR CLAIM THAT PROPHET(SAW) CURSED HIS UNCLE….. THESE DAYS I M INVOLVED IN TRYING TO LIBERATE MY NATION…..
I KNOW U NEED AUTHENTICITY
Comment by nadim & aadil — September 18, 2008 @ 4:12 pm
“my curse is … i am a kashmiri … ”
suddenly for a muslim … kashmiri stands for just islamist kashmiri moslems …
KASHMIRI PUNDITS … WHOM THEY TERRORISED … KILLED AND RAPED THE WOMEN …
they are no longer “kashmiri” …
these are sad people …. who have created quasi “freedom struggle” ….
the day they get any sort of freedom … they will create a TALIBAN like state in Kashmir …
this is because …there fight is not indigenous … but aided and abetted by PAKISTAN AND ARAB COUNTRIES … WHICH ARE KNOWN TERRORIST COUNTRIES … AS THEY ARE MUSLIM COUNTRIES …
the whole reason for the fight having no meaning is … THEY KILLED AND ETHNICALLY CLEANSED KASHMIRI HINDUS ” ….
they took to killing innocent women and children in the name of religion … in the name of freedom … and they are stupid enough to compare themselves with “BHAGAT SINGH” … ITS HILARIOUS ….
they get help from muslim pakistan porkistan and muslim countries in arab …
all the troubles that they have with army is because they are “TERRORIST PEOPLE” … who deserve no freedom at all …
nowhere in other states the army has any presence except for JK because of kashmiri muslims terrorism and pakistan pakishaitn porkistan’s support of terrorism …
THE WORLD (ARAB AND MUSLIM COUNTRIES DONT COUNT IN THE GOOD WORLD) LISTENS TO THEM NO LONGER … EXCEPT FOR PERHAPS UK MUSLIMS …
UK as we all know … is in deep trouble … the greatest of all european countries … from islamic terrorism …
UK IS PERHAPS THE GREATEST AIDER AND ABETTER OF TERRORISM IN THE WESTERN WORLD … BECAUSE OF ITS GIVING ASYLUM TO TERRORISTS N SUCH PEOPLE …. MOST OF THE WESTERN MONEY FOR ISLAMIC TERRORISM COMES FROM KASHMIRI MUSLIMS IN UK AND OTHER MUSLIMS …. AND OFF COURSE for terrorism in other parts of the world as well …
kashmiri moslims have created a hell out of the heaven they had … all other states live in peace … whatever the percentages of religions there …. states in north east have realised “TERRORISM IS NO MEANS FOR ANYTHING” …. and are in different stages of talks with the Indian government … they will settle for a pie of GOVERNANCE THAT COMES WITH DEMOCRACY …
thats democratic way of helping dissenting people join the mainstream …
nobody stops them from governing themselves … pertaining to local governance … centre has no say in the states …
they create the scams … they create the laws … they run the public … they give justice …
only some blind people will say “THIS IS NOT FREEDOM” …
what else is …
PEOPLE SELECTED BY YOUR PEOPLE … BECOME YOUR LEADERS … RESPONSIBLE FOR YOUR OWN GOOD … WHAT ELSE IS FREEDOM ????
DOES FREEDOM MEAN …
1) THERE IS NO GOD ELSE FOR ALLAH …????
MARRYING A 10 YEAR OLD GIRL … ????
2) NO GOOD EXCEPT FOR ISLAM …. ????
3) NO LAW EXCEPT FOR TERRORISM SHARIA LAW …????
4) EVERYONE SHOULD HAVE A BEARD … LOOK DIRTY … HAVE A SKULL CAP … ????
5) ALL WOMEN COVER THEMSELVEs WITH NAKAAB????
6) NO RIGHTS FOR WOMEN …. ????
7) KILLING AND STONING IN THE NAME OF ALLAH … ????
ISLAM IS PROVEN RELIGION OF SHIT….
HOW CAN EVEN PEOPEL DEFEND IT IS A SHAME … SHAME ON THEM …
THEY ARE NOT EVEN READY TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE SHORTCOMINGS … NOT READY TO LOOK INTO THINGS .. UNLIKE THE HINDUS … WHO ARE WISER PEOPLE …
THIS JUST SHOWS THEIR FANATICISM IN FOLLOWING THEIR RELIGION …
the whole of muslims following islam are terrorists …
i hope they will change … or else they will perish ….
Comment by chandra — September 18, 2008 @ 5:11 pm
>>I deserve to be humilated. I deserve to be harrsed. I deserve to be mauled. I deserve to
>>be killed. Just becuase ” I AM A KASHMIRI”
Yes you got it right.
As our mistake was that we were Kashmiri Pandits your mistake is that you are Kashmiri Muslim ……
If I would have born as KM then I would have left valley, you understand it very well.
>>THESE DAYS I M INVOLVED IN TRYING TO LIBERATE MY NATION…..
We are involved in getting rid of ISLAMIC terrorism from world.
And we all see actions that ISLAM is making across globe, if you really wanted to prove ISLAM is peaceful then go and debate with Ali Sena.
Peace.
Comment by Vicky — September 18, 2008 @ 5:19 pm
THIS TIME IT WILL BE LONG ONE HERE IS UR POINT 1 AND AT THE BOTTOM BELOW THE LINE IS WHAT WORLD SAYS —– AND THEY ARE NOT MY WORDS THE SAME WAY BELOW ARE NOT UR WORDS THEY ARE CUT AND PASTE
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1- In the Noble Quran:
Let us look at what Allah Almighty said in the Noble Quran:
“Now let man but think From what he is created! He is created from A drop emitted — Proceedings from between the backbone and the ribs: Surely (Allah) is able To bring him back (To life)! The Day that (All) things secret Will be tested, (Man) will have No power, And no helper. (The Noble Quran, 86:5-10)”
Where does the male’s semen come from?
“A man’s seed is the quintessence of his body. It is therefore said metaphorically to proceed from his loins, i.e., from his back between the hipbones and his ribs. His backbone is the source and symbol of his strength and personality. In his spinal cord and in the brain is the directive energy of the central nervous system, and this directs all action, organic and psychic. The spinal cord is continuous with the Medulla Oblongata in the brain.” [2]
“Verily We created Man from a drop of mingled sperm, In order to try him: So We gave him (the gifts), Of Hearing and Sight. (The Noble Quran, 76:2)”
“Mingled: the female ovum has to be fertilised with the male sperm before a new animal can be born. Man as an animal has this humble origin. But he has been given the gift of certain faculties of receiving instruction (typified by Hearing) and of intellectual and spiritual insight (typified by Sight). His life has therefore a meaning: with a certain amount of free will, he is to be Allah’s vicegerent on earth (2:30). But he must be trained and tried, and that is the whole problem of human life.” [3]
Important Note: How could Muhammad peace be upon him have guessed 1400 years ago that the backbone or the “spine” as we call it today play a very essential role in the creation of humans? Also, how could he have guessed that the male is the one that determines the fetus sex since we are created from “drop emitted — Proceedings from between the backbone and the ribs”? Only the male’s semen is visibly “drop emitted” during ejaculation.
The sex of the fetus is determined by the father’s sperm. The female ovum contains only the X chromosomes. If the sperm, or the “emitted drop (as the Noble Quran called it)”, or the ejaculated drop contains the Y chromosome, then the baby will be a male, otherwise the baby will be a female.
Non of the information above exist in the Bible or any other religious book. There is no way Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him could’ve guessed it all 1400 years ago. It had to be a Divine Revelation from Allah Almighty.
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Definition
In the most general terms, Islam’s Embryology Claim is that the Quran contains information about embryology which could not have been acquired without the use of microscopes. Since the Arabs at the time of Mohammed did not have microscopes, it is argued that the embryonic information is evidence in support of the divine revelation of the Quran.
The claim is made by a wide variety of Muslims, though not all. One example is Harun Yahya.
[edit] Countering the claim
I think that the best way to undermine the claim is to begin by illustrating the debate that is going on between God and those that don’t believe in life after death. For instance:
[22:5] O mankind! if ye have a doubt about the Resurrection, (consider) that We created you out of dust, then out of sperm, then out of a leech-like clot, then out of a morsel of flesh, partly formed and partly unformed, in order that We may manifest (our power) to you; and We cause whom We will to rest in the wombs for an appointed term, then do We bring you out as babes, then (foster you) that ye may reach your age of full strength; and some of you are called to die, and some are sent back to the feeblest old age, so that they know nothing after having known (much); and (further), thou seest the earth barren and lifeless, but when We pour down rain on it, it is stirred (to life), it swells, and it puts forth every kind of beautiful growth (in pairs).
Nothing in verse [22:5] indicates the biological information is supposed to be secret knowledge that people will eventually discover. A natural interpretation is one where God is citing the knowledge of his immediate audience in a very clear argument: “How can you not believe I am capable of XYZ? Do you not see that I can do ABC. XYZ is no harder than ABC, so surely you must agree that I am capable of XYZ.” That argument would fall flat if the people God is talking to do not know about ABC.
Here’s commentary on [22:5] from Abdullah Yusuf Ali:
If they really have doubts in their minds about the life after death, they have only to turn their attention to their own nature, or to the nature around. How wonderful is their own physical growth from lifeless matter, to seed, fertilised ovum, foetus, youth, age and death! How can they doubt that the author of all these wonderful stages in their life here can also give them another kind of life after the end of this life?
You’ll find embryology used to support the claim God can raise the dead in [75:37-40], [86:5-10] and [23:12-15]
[17:49-51] [56:47-72] have a similar argument, but not based on embryology, saying that God is capable of bringing life from lifelessness. See also [37:11-17].
This Understanding Islam page answers the question “Does Semen Emanate From Between the Ribs and the Back?” In doing so, they also offer the argument that the scientific information in the Quran is supportive evidence rather than knowledge unknown at the time of revelation.
[edit] Explaining the actual references to embryology
Even if we are charitable and interpret [23:12-14] in such a way that it does not say flesh is formed after bones; And accept that “clots of congealed blood” does not refer to the type of clotting that follows a wound; And understand that [86:5-10] is now being metaphorical rather than technical when it says “between backbone and ribs”….!
What are we left with? Here is a rough summary of the stages: Dust, sperm, leech-like clot of congealed blood, lump of unshaped flesh, shaped flesh, child. Which is better than claiming people are created as tiny humans right from the first stages.
Compare the summary with the results of this school experiment, observing the development of chicks in eggs. Studying eggs means easy access to many samples.
Galen (around 150AD) also made a study of embryology, in which he claims to see the structures which become heart, brain and liver. Some Arab doctors trained in Persian schools where Greek works were translated, but there is no need to assume the data was copied.
Before modern farming practice, even some of the eggs intended for eating would have been fertilized. It would have been quite common for people to notice blood in chicken eggs. In fact, there are dietary laws for Jews and Muslims that forbid the eating of blood — which is why eggs are checked before they are used for baking. If an analogy is made between egg-white and semen, then we already have an explanation of why someone would claim an early stage of development is “sperm”, and a later stage “blood.”
If they opened up eggs in later stages, they may have seen something shapeless (later shaped) clinging to the yolk. In mammals, they would not see a yolk, so it would look like the shapeless mass is feeding on blood. Kind of like a leech.
The verses in the Quran do not require more explanation than that.
[edit] Some claims in Hadith
[The Jew] then said: I have come to ask you about the child.
He (the Holy Prophet) said: The reproductive substance of man is white and that of woman yellow,
White and yellow certainly reminds me of chicken eggs. The rest of the prophet’s answer is not factually correct:
and when they have sexual intercourse and the male’s substance prevails upon the female’s substance, it is the male child that is created by Allah’s Decree; and when the substance of the female prevails upon the substance contributed by the male, a female child is formed by the Decree of Allah.
In standard red-green colour blindness, if the mother is colour blind while the father is not, then the daughter will not be colour blind. This is because the relevant part of the father’s X-chromosome will dominate that of the mother. There is no such “competition” in deciding gender if the child has inherited an X-chromosome from each parent. So daughters are not made because the mother’s X-chromosome “prevails upon” the father’s X-chromosome.
In another Hadith, Mohammed is quoted saying
“When forty-two nights have passed over the drop (nutfah) , Allah sends an angel to it, who shapes it and makes its ears, eyes, skin, flesh and bones. Then he says, “O Lord, is it male or female?” and your Lord decides what he wishes.”
It is at around 6 weeks that physical signs of gender begin. But according to Encarta98,
At the beginning of its fourth week the embryo, now about 4 to 5 mm (about 0.16 to 0.2 in) long, has the rudiments of eyes and ears, and each side of the neck shows four gill clefts.
the eyes and ears have already begun forming before the angel arrives. The hadith also implies that God is not constrained by genetics when deciding on gender since he “decides what he wishes.”
[edit] Other Quranic verses that refer to embryology
(Translation by Abdullah Yusuf Ali)
[16:4] He has created man from a sperm-drop
[23:12-14] Man We did create from a quintessence (of clay); Then We placed him as (a drop of) sperm in a place of rest, firmly fixed; Then We made the sperm into a clot of congealed blood; then of that clot We made a (foetus) lump; then we made out of that lump bones and clothed the bones with flesh; then we developed out of it another creature. So blessed be Allah, the best to create!
[23:15] After that, at length ye will die. Again, on the Day of Judgment, will ye be raised up.
[35:11] And Allah did create you from dust; then from a sperm-drop; then He made you in pairs.
[39:6] He makes you, in the wombs of your mothers, in stages, one after another, in three veils of darkness.
[40:67] It is He Who has created you from dust then from a sperm-drop, then from a leech-like clot; then does he get you out (into the light) as a child:
[75:3-4] Does man think that We cannot assemble his bones? Nay, We are able to put together in perfect order the very tips of his fingers. [...] [75:37-40] Was he not a drop of sperm emitted (in lowly form)? Then did he become a leech-like clot; then did ((Allah)) make and fashion (him) in due proportion. And of him He made two sexes, male and female. Has not He, (the same), the power to give life to the dead?
[76:2] Verily We created Man from a drop of mingled sperm,
[77:20-22] Have We not created you from a fluid (held) despicable?- which We placed in a place of rest, firmly fixed, For a period (of gestation), determined (according to need)?
[86:5-10] Now let man but think from what he is created! He is created from a drop emitted — Proceeding from between the backbone and the ribs: Surely ((Allah)) is able to bring him back (to life)! The Day that (all) things secret will be tested, (Man) will have no power, and no helper.
[96:2] Created man, out of a (mere) clot of congealed blood:
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IN ABOVE MORE OF UR QURAN IS QUOTED THAN WHAT U DID
ANIL
Comment by Koul Anil — September 18, 2008 @ 5:46 pm
READ SURA 76 AND SEE WHAT KIND OF FLOW MUHAMMAD HAS IN QURAN READ ONE AFTER ANOTHER AND TELL ME THERE RELATION — U QUOTED 76:2 NOW LOOK AT 76 :4 HOW ABSURD AND JUMBLED IS UR QURAN —- BELOW IS ALL THAT
NON MUSLIMS PLEASE MAKE POINT TO READ BELOW AND THINK WHAT IS THERE IN QURAN —- I WONDER
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Sura – 76 The Human (Al-Insaan)
Order Of Revelation 98, Verses: 31
[76:0] In the name of God, Most Gracious, Most Merciful
[76:1] Is it not a fact that there was a time when the human being was nothing to be mentioned?
[76:2] We created the human from a liquid mixture, from two parents, in order to test him. Thus, we made him a hearer and a seer.
[76:3] We showed him the two paths, then he is either appreciative, or unappreciative.
[76:4] We prepared for the disbelievers chains, shackles, and a blazing Hell.
[76:5] As for the virtuous, they will drink from cups spiced with nectar.
[76:6] A spring that is reserved for GOD’s servants; it will gush out as they will.
[76:7] They fulfill their pledges, and reverence a day that is extremely difficult.
[76:8] They donate their favorite food to the poor, the orphan, and the captive.
[76:9] “We feed you for the sake of GOD; we expect no reward from you, nor thanks.
[76:10] “We fear from our Lord a day that is full of misery and trouble.”
[76:11] Consequently, GOD protects them from the evils of that day, and rewards them with joy and contentment.
[76:12] He rewards them for their steadfastness with Paradise, and silk.
[76:13] They relax therein on luxurious furnishings. They suffer neither the heat of the sun, nor any cold.
[76:14] The shade covers them therein, and the fruits are brought within reach.
[76:15] They are served drinks in silver containers and cups that are translucent.
[76:16] Translucent cups, though made of silver; they rightly deserved all this.
[76:17] They enjoy drinks of delicious flavors.
[76:18] From a spring therein known as “Salsabeel.”
[76:19] Serving them will be immortal servants. When you see them, they will look like scattered pearls.
[76:20] Wherever you look, you will see bliss, and a wonderful dominion.
[76:21] On them will be clothes of green velvet, satin, and silver ornaments. Their Lord will provide them with pure drinks.
[76:22] This is the reward that awaits you, for your efforts have been appreciated.
[76:23] We have revealed to you this Quran; a special revelation from us.
[76:24] You shall steadfastly carry out your Lord’s commandments, and do not obey any sinful disbeliever among them.
[76:25] And commemorate the name of your Lord day and night.
[76:26] During the night, fall prostrate before Him, and glorify Him many a long night.
[76:27] These people are preoccupied with this fleeting life, while disregarding – just ahead of them – a heavy day.
[76:28] We created them, and established them, and, whenever we will, we can substitute others in their place.
[76:29] This is a reminder: whoever wills shall choose the path to his Lord.
[76:30] Whatever you will is in accordance with GOD’s will. GOD is Omniscient, Wise.
[76:31] He admits whomever He wills into His mercy. As for the transgressors, He has prepared for them a painful retribution.
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LOOK AT 76 : 23 WHO IS “US” HERE — IS THERE MORE THAN ONE GOD IN ISLAM???
JUST A THOUGHT
ANIL
Comment by Koul Anil — September 18, 2008 @ 5:53 pm
IT IS SO FUNNY WE HEAR MUSLIMS SAYING WE PICK UP QURAN OUT OF CONTEXT — WHERE IS LOGIC AND CONTEXT IN QURAN READ ABOVE:
76 : 4 IS FOR US UNBELEIVERS —- WAIT FOR THAT
76:8 HE SAYS GIVE FOOD TO CAPTIVE— SO QURAN DOES BELIEVE IN SLAVERY — OPEN TRUTH — THEY USED TO TRADE—–
I WONDER WHERE MUSLIMS SEE LOVE AND COMPASSION IN QURAN??? AND EVEN SCIENCE???
OUR KAMA SUTRA IS 10 TIMES MORE SCIENTIFIC THAN QURAN I AM SURE —
ANIL
Comment by Koul Anil — September 18, 2008 @ 6:00 pm
koul sahab
To answer abt slavery, it should first be remarked that Islam has tolerated slavery but has never approved of it, and that all its teachings and prescriptions in this regard lead to its alleviation as far as possible in the short term, and, in the longer term, conduce to its progressive suppression. To abolish it would have been impossible in a world in which it was generally practiced by all the states which bordered on the new Muslim empire, and in which the idea of challenging the principle itself had not occurred to anyone. It was the custom to enslave prisoners of war — when these were not simply massacred — and the Islamic state would have put itself at a grave disadvantage vis-a-vis its enemies had it not reciprocated to some extent. By guaranteeing them humane treatment, and various possibilities of subsequently releasing themselves, it ensured that a good number of combatants in the opposing armies preferred captivity at the hands of Muslims to death on the field of battle.
It should be very clearly underlined that the slavery once practiced in the Muslim world cannot be compared to the form it had assumed — for instance — in the Roman Empire. Islamic legislation subjected slaveowners to a set of precise obligations, first among which was the slave’s right to life, for, according to a hadith, ‘Whoever kills his slave shall be killed by us’. In consequence, the murder of a slave was punished like that of a free man.
There are many other hadiths which define Islam’s true attitude in this regard. The Prophet said: ‘Your slaves are your brethren; therefore whoever has a brother who depends upon him must feed and clothe him in the way he feeds and clothes himself; and should not impose upon him tasks which exceed his capacity; should you ask them to do such things, then you are obliged to help them.’ The Sharia takes this injunction, among many others, into account when defining the responsibilities and duties of slaveholders.
There is another teaching which enjoins respect for the human dignity of slaves: ‘Let none of you say, “This man, or this woman, is my slave”. He must rather say: “This is my man, and this my woman.”‘ Putting into relief the provisional character of social ties and the authority exercised by slaveowners over their slaves, the Prophet said: ‘It is true that God has made you their masters, but, had He so wished, He could equally well have made you their slaves.’
To manumit a slave has always been regarded as one of the most meritorious of all acts, and many passages of the Qur’an recommend or even require it, particularly as a means of expiation for serious faults. Traditional legislation lays down the methods of voluntary liberation of slaves by their masters (itq), and there were very many Muslims who observed these, especially at the end of their lives, so as not to die and appear before God without having given full freedom to the human beings placed in their power during their earthly lives.
Additionally, slaves had the ability to enfranchise themselves at their own initiative, without waiting passively for the goodwill of their masters: the procedure known as mukataba allowed them to buy their own freedom with sums which they saved from their work, and which the state frequently augmented with advances — a measure which the slaveowner had no right to oppose. In contrast to the situation under Roman law, slaves were not deprived of the legal ability to exercise their rights and to appeal to a judge against their masters in all cases of illegal treatment.
Besides domestic slavery, which was generally imbued with a patriarchal character, there also existed a form of military slavery, which was frequently employed by princes in need of recruits, especially for their personal guards. This situation had the effect of conferring an often considerable influence and power on men of servile condition or origin, and some of these became the founders of great and illustrious dynasties such as the Tulunids and Mamlukes of Egypt.
The object of a prosperous commercial sector, which under the Abbasid Empire was often the speciality of non-Muslims, particularly Byzantine and Venetian Christians, and Jews, slavery gradually declined in importance until, at the beginning of the present century, it was confined to a few survivals which have now disappeared entirely. Thanks to the strict traditional controls which have always regulated the practice, it would be difficult to deny that social conditions were remarkably humane during the great periods of Muslim civilization, and that these, moreover, were in conformity with the ‘egalitarian’ spirit of Islam, which, in a hadith, teaches that ‘the blackest of Abyssinians’ is superior to most noble of Quraishites, if he has more faith. — p. 104 – 107
David Hecht, ‘Slavery’ African Style Description from Vedas talking about Prophet Mohammed (s.a.w).
One hindu research professor, in his stunning book, claims that
description of avatar found in the holy books of hindu religion is in
fact that of the prophet muhammad(s.a.w). A little while ago, in India a
fact revealing book has been published, which has been the topic of
discussions and gossip, allover the country. Amazingly the author of
this book is a fair-minded famous professor, who happens to be a Hindu. His
name is Pundit Vedaprakash Upadhai and the name of his fact revealing book
is “kalki avtar”. The author is a hindu Brahmin by caste of Bengali origin.
He is a research scholar, a seeker of the truth and a well known pundit in
allahabad university. After years of research work, he published this book
and other eight pundits have endorsed and certified his points of argument
as authentic.
According to Hindu belief and their holy books, the description of the
guide and the leader, named kalki avatar, fits that of prophet
Muhammad(so.a.w)of Arabia. So the Hindus of the whole world should look
into this new information not wait any longer for the arrival of
kalki avatar (the spirit) as he already arrived 1400 years ago. The
author produces following sound evidences from the vedas and other holy
books of Hindu religion in support of his claim:-
1. In purana (a holy book of Hindus) it is stated that kalki avatar
would be the last messenger of god in this world for the guidance of the
whole world and all human beings. (according to Islam, prophet Muhammad
(s.a.w) is also considered the last messenger of god in this world who was
sent to guide all human beings).
2. According to a Hindu religion prediction, the birth of kalki
avatar,would take place in an isle which again according to Hindu
religion is Arab region.
3. In books of Hindus, the names of the father and the mother of kalki
avatar are given as vishnubhagat and sumaani respectively. if we
examine the meanings of these names we shall come to a very interesting
conclusion: take vishnubhagat vishnu (meaning god) + bhagat(meaning
slave)= slave of god Allah (god) + abd (slave in Arabic) = slave of god
(Abdullah in Arabic name of Mohammed’s father) sumaani = peace or
calmness aamenah(Arabic) =peace or calmness (name of mother of prophet Muhammad
(s.a.w)
4. In religious books of Hindus, it is mentioned that the staple food
of kalki avatar would be dates and olives and he would be the most honest
and truthful person in the region. Without any doubt the prophet Muhammad
(s.a.w) is acclaimed to possess these qualities.
5. It is stated in Vedas (holy book of Hindu religion) that the birth
of kalki avatar would take place in an honorable clan. This perfectly
fits the quraysh where the prophet Muhammad (s.a.w) belonged to. (very
honorable clan for more details u can read the history of prophet(s.a.w)
to see the qualities that they possessed which made them one of the
strongest clans).
6. God would teach kalki avatar through his messenger (angel) in a
cave. Allah taught prophet Muhammad (s.a.w), through is messenger angel
jibraeel(gabreal) in a cave known as gaar-e-hiraa(a cave in mount
hiraa).
7. God would avail kalki avatar with a very speedy horse to ride and
travel the whole world and the seven skies. indication of
buraaque(horse) and me’raaj (the night when prophet traveled the seven skies).
8. God would also avail kalki avatar with divine help. This was
particularly proved in the battle of uhud.
9. Another dazzling account given about kalki avatar was that he would
be born on the 12th of a month. whereas the prophet Muhammad (s.a.w)was
born on the 12th of the rabiul awwal (Islamic calendar).
10. Kalki avatar would be an excellent horse rider and a swordsman.
The author here draws the attention of Hindus that the real days of horses
and swords have gone and the present time is of guns and missiles. so it
would be foolish on the part of those who still expect kalki avatar, who
should be an excellent rider and swordsman to come. in fact, the divine book,
holy qur’aan contains qualities and signs attributed to kalki avatar
reflecting on the prophet Muhammad (s.a.w). if the author of this book
were a Muslim, he could have been arrested or he could have been
murdered and all the copies of this book would have been confiscated. even a
ban would have been extended on its further publications. a riot and violence would have
broken out against innocent Muslims and their blood would have been
shed. (these are just some of the things that could have happened as Muslims
would be accused of false propaganda etc). however, these facts are
verified and supported by the eight eminent pundits. what the author and the eight other eminent pundits say is that the Hindus who are still
anxiously awaiting the arrival of kalki avatar are simply subjecting
themselves to a never ending pain.
because such a great messenger has come and departed from this world
fourteen centuries ago.
=================End.
Editor Note :- Salaamun Alkum
Article does not said that Hindu religion is authentic religion .
It’s said that even Hindus they Know about the last Prophet and did not excepted
it is their fault
Quran said . They know this Prophet like they know their sons.
All Prophet predicted for the last prophet even the new and old
Testament of Bible In present condition you can find about the last Prophet
of Islam. So in the Day of Judgment they can’t deny the Fact that they don’t know who
was the last Prophet.
I hope it clears the Bottom line of our massage
Comment by nadim & aadil — September 18, 2008 @ 7:25 pm
koul sahab
u had hindus in jammu with tri colour& wine in their hands &throwing petrol bombs on innocent kashmiri drivers & raising slogans like bum bum boley , hindustan zindabad—–will u blame bum bum boley & india for the whole drama
Comment by nadim & aadil — September 18, 2008 @ 7:34 pm
koul sahab
u can eradicate some muslim terrorists (hindus like veerapan r also terrorists )from earth , u can’t even touch islam because if u did ,there is a quote in quran saying whenever falsehood collides with truth , falsehood perishes.
Comment by nadim & aadil — September 18, 2008 @ 7:39 pm
koul sahab
u know that the most busiest city on earth is dubai where indians(hindus) beg,
wat is lingam (a penis) u worship ,it is there in ur kamasutra as well.
how many gods , millions or trillions,—rain god…….
who used to do sati ,hindus
cast system is there in ur hinduism(this is 21st century)
if saudi will stop petrol supplies to india india will come to a halt know that india begs saudi
Comment by nadim & aadil — September 18, 2008 @ 7:47 pm
UR CUT AND PASTE GETS MY CUT AND PASTE:
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Is Muhammad Predicted in Hindu Scriptures?
Some Comments on the Thoughts of Pundit Vedaprakash Upadhyay
Various Muslim websites [*, *] have published an article concerning the Muhammad in the Hindu Scriptures. According to these articles, Hindus believe that there will be a guide and leader, called the Kalki Avatar who will rise in the last days. Many Hindus believe that the Kalki Avatar will be the 10th incarnation of the Hindu god Vishnu.
The Vishnu Purana (4.24) says:
“When the practices taught by the Vedas and the institutes of law shall nearly have ceased, and the close of the Kali age shall be nigh, a portion of that divine being who exists of his own spiritual nature in the character of Brahma, and who is the beginning and the end, and who comprehends all things, shall descend upon the earth. He will be born as Kalki in the family of an eminent brahmin of Sambhala village, endowed with the eight superhuman faculties. By his irresistible might he will destroy all the barbarians and thieves, and all whose minds are devoted to iniquity. He will then reestablish righteousness upon earth; and the minds of those who live at the end of the Kali age shall be awakened, and shall be as pellucid as crystal. The men who are thus changed by virtue of that peculiar time shall be as the seeds of human beings, and shall give birth to a race who shall follow the laws of the Krita age, the Age of Purity. As it is said, “When the sun and moon, and the luner asterism Tishya, and the planet Jupiter, are in one mansion, the Krita age shall return.”
There are several men who claim to be the Kalki: *, *
The article begins with a logical fallacy of the Appeal to Authority:
One hindu research professor, in his stunning book, claims that description of avatar found in the holy books of hindu religion is in fact that of the prophet muhammad(s.a.w). A little while ago, in India a fact revealing book has been published, which has been the topic of discussions and gossip, allover the country. Amazingly the author of this book is a fair-minded famous professor, who happens to be a Hindu. His name is Pundit Vedaprakash Upadhai and the name of his fact revealing book is “kalki avtar”. The author is a hindu Brahmin by caste of Bengali origin. He is a research scholar, a seeker of the truth and a well known pundit in allahabad university. After years of research work, he published this book and other eight pundits have endorsed and certified his points of argument as authentic.
According to Hindu belief and their holy books, the description of the guide and the leader, named kalki avatar, fits that of prophet Muhammad(so.a.w)of Arabia. So the Hindus of the whole world should look into this new information not wait any longer for the arrival of kalki avatar (the spirit) as he already arrived 1400 years ago. The author produces following sound evidences from the vedas and other holy books of Hindu religion in support of his claim:-
Now we proceed to examine the proof:
1. In purana (a holy book of Hindus) it is stated that kalki avatar would be the last messenger of god in this world for the guidance of the whole world and all human beings. (according to Islam, prophet Muhammad (s.a.w) is also considered the last messenger of god in this world who was sent to guide all human beings).
The Vishnu Purana does not say that the Kalki Avatar will be the last messenger. This Purana does say that the Kalki Avatar:
1. Exists of his own spiritual nature in the character of Brahma
2. Is the beginning and the end
3. Comprehends all things
4. Will be born as Kalki in the family of an eminent Brahmin of Sambhala village
5. Will be endowed with the eight superhuman faculties
None of these descriptions apply to Muhammad.
2. According to a Hindu religion prediction, the birth of kalki avatar,would take place in an isle which again according to Hindu religion is Arab region.
This is an error in geographical terminology. An isle is an island, Arabia is a peninsula.
3. In books of Hindus, the names of the father and the mother of kalki avatar are given as vishnubhagat and sumaani respectively. if we examine the meanings of these names we shall come to a very interesting conclusion: take vishnubhagat vishnu (meaning god) + bhagat(meaning slave)= slave of god Allah (god) + abd (slave in Arabic) = slave of god (Abdullah in Arabic name of Mohammed’s father) sumaani = peace or calmness aamenah(Arabic) =peace or calmness (name of mother of prophet Muhammad (s.a.w)
This is an error in philology. In other words, if the names are literal, then they do not match. A servant of Vishnu would not be equivalent to a servant of Allah, unless one admits that Vishnu is Allah.
4. In religious books of Hindus, it is mentioned that the staple food of kalki avatar would be dates and olives and he would be the most honest and truthful person in the region. Without any doubt the prophet Muhammad (s.a.w) is acclaimed to possess these qualities.
The Hadith are a collection of oral traditions which record the most minor details of Muhammad’s life and habits. He did enjoy dates, however, there is no mention of him eating olives, although there are some references to olive oil.
5. It is stated in Vedas (holy book of Hindu religion) that the birth of kalki avatar would take place in an honorable clan. This perfectly fits the quraysh where the prophet Muhammad (s.a.w) belonged to. (very honorable clan for more details u can read the history of prophet(s.a.w) to see the qualities that they possessed which made them one of the strongest clans).
No, the Vishnu Purana clearly says “He will be born as Kalki in the family of an eminent brahmin of Sambhala village”. Muhammad was not born in Sambhala village, he was born in Arabia, and no one has ever claimed that Muhammad came from a Brahmin family. Additionally, is there any objective reason to believe the Quaraysh to be more honorable than other clans?
6. God would teach kalki avatar through his messenger (angel) in a cave. Allah taught prophet Muhammad (s.a.w), through is messenger angel jibraeel(gabreal) in a cave known as gaar-e-hiraa(a cave in mount hiraa).
The Purana says no such thing. Hindus believe that the Kalki Avatar is a god [Vishnu] who has been reincarnated 10 times and not a mere messenger. Muhammad claimed to be a messenger and would have been grossly offended by the suggestion that he was the incarnation of a Pagan god. There is a huge difference between the concept of Propethood in Islam and the concept of the Avatar in Hinduism and one cannot impose an Islamic meaning on a Hindu title.
7. God would avail kalki avatar with a very speedy horse to ride and travel the whole world and the seven skies. indication of buraaque(horse) and me’raaj (the night when prophet traveled the seven skies).
Muhammad never traveled the whole world, he was reported to have traveled to the “farthest Masjid”, although, according to Ibn Ishaq’s Sirat Rasulullah, Muhammad’s wife Aishah claimed that his body never left the bed that night. Incidentally, this story [the Miraj] is very similar to the story of Zoroaster’s ascent into the seven heavens on a mythical beast called a “Gryphon”.
8. God would also avail kalki avatar with divine help. This was particularly proved in the battle of uhud.
The Kalki Avatar has, according to the Purana, “irresistible might” and is divine ["character of Brahma"]. Therefore, he does not need divine help, he provides divine help.
9. Another dazzling account given about kalki avatar was that he would be born on the 12th of a month. whereas the prophet Muhammad (s.a.w) was born on the 12th of the rabiul awwal (Islamic calendar).
This assumes that Hindus used the same calendar as Muslims. There is also disagreement among Muslims scholars concerning exactly when Muhammad was born. In fact, some Islamic sources claim that Muhammad’s birthday (Mawlid) was first celebrated 3 centuries after the death of Muhammad.
10. Kalki avatar would be an excellent horse rider and a swordsman. The author here draws the attention of Hindus that the real days of horses and swords have gone and the present time is of guns and missiles. so it would be foolish on the part of those who still expect kalki avatar, who should be an excellent rider and swordsman to come. in fact, the divine book, holy qur’aan contains qualities and signs attributed to kalki avatar reflecting on the prophet Muhammad (s.a.w).
Nearly every hero in the ancient world used swords and horses, therefore, this criteria doesn’t point out anyone in particular. However, some Hindus believe that the Kalki Avatar will be a machine-man, who will come to earth on a white horse with a blazing sword in his hands. This future incarnation of Vishnu will appear at the end of Kali Yuga (evil eon) and would solve the problem of Adharma (unrighteousness). He will punish all evil people in this world, destroy the world, and recreate a golden age of peace and harmony. Clearly, Muhammad did none of these things.
If the author of this book were a Muslim, he could have been arrested or he could have been murdered and all the copies of this book would have been confiscated. even a ban would have been extended on its further publications. a riot and violence would have broken out against innocent Muslims and their blood would have been shed. (these are just some of the things that could have happened as Muslims would be accused of false propaganda etc). however, these facts are verified and supported by the eight eminent pundits. what the author and the eight other eminent pundits say is that the Hindus who are still anxiously awaiting the arrival of kalki avatar are simply subjecting themselves to a never ending pain. because such a great messenger has come and departed from this world fourteen centuries ago.
This type of censorship and blatant violation of human rights would be far more common in Pakistan than in democratic and secular India.
Editor Note :- Salaamun Alkum Article does not said that Hindu religion is authentic religion . It’s said that even Hindus they Know about the last Prophet and did not excepted it is their fault Quran said . They know this Prophet like they know their sons. All Prophet predicted for the last prophet even the new and old Testament of Bible In present condition you can find about the last Prophet of Islam. So in the Day of Judgment they can’t deny the Fact that they don’t know who was the last Prophet.
If the author does not believe that Hinduism is an “authentic” religion, why does he appeal to Hindu scriptures? It is intellectually dangerous for Muslims to draw conclusions concerning what they believe to be the truth from sources they consider to be of questionable veracity. An Avatar is a reincarnation of a god – an idea that Muhammad would have immediately condemned as shirk, the most serious of all sins. In addition to the many factual flaws in this argument, there is another very serious problem.
The largest issue here is the moral and ethical problems associated with this type of polemic. This argument is an “outwitting” which essentially says that “the ways justify the means”. In other words, Hindus should believe something, … anything about Muhammad. Why is this a problem?
Suppose that a Hindu accepts the idea that Muhammad was the Kalki Avatar, or 10th reincarnation of the Hindu god Vishnu, would he or she be a Muslim? Or, taking this scenario a little further, suppose a large number of Hindus adopted this idea, how would they be viewed by the Ummah (Muslim Community)? Would these people be considered Muslim or would they be another heterodox sect like the Nation of Islam, Ahmadis, Qadianis, or Bahá’ís – and would they be mistreated, persecuted, and killed as some of these groups were/are for their beliefs?
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DO WHAT U MAY BUT IT IS VERY HARD TO EVEN PROVE MUHAMMAD IS A HUMAN — ALL WE GET TO KNOW FROM THE LIFE HE LIVED IS PEDOPHILE, LOOTER … AND U KNOW THEM ALL WHAY I NEED TO REPEAT AGAIN…
HAPPY READING
ANIL
Comment by Koul Anil — September 18, 2008 @ 7:49 pm
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nadim & aadil said, on September 18th, 2008 at 7:39 pm
koul sahab
u can eradicate some muslim terrorists (hindus like veerapan r also terrorists )from earth , u can’t even touch islam because if u did ,there is a quote in quran saying whenever falsehood collides with truth , falsehood perishes.
THERE ARE PETTY THEAVIES AND CRIMINAL OUTLAWS FROM ALL THE RELIGIONS DOESENT MEAN WE BRAND RELIGION — BUT YES WE BRAND THE RELIGION ONLY WHEN THE RELIGIOUS BOOKS TEACH EVIL LIKE QURAN….
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nadim & aadil said, on September 18th, 2008 at 7:47 pm
koul sahab
u know that the most busiest city on earth is dubai where indians(hindus) beg,
ENOGH MUSLIMS BEGGING ALL OVER THE WORLD ALSO LOOKING FOR ZAKAT — I AM TALKING EVEN MUSLIM COUNTRIES LIKE PAKISTAN LIVING OFF THE ZAKAT MONEY FROM USA…..
wat is lingam (a penis) u worship ,it is there in ur kamasutra as well.
SURE PENIS IS THE BASIS FOR THE CREATION— THINK
how many gods , millions or trillions,—rain god…….
WHY DOES THAT BOTHER U — U JUST FOLLOW ONE MUHAMMAD — THE …….. “FILL IN THE BLANKS”
who used to do sati ,hindus
LADIES WHO LOVED THERE HUSBAND MORE THAN LIFE AND NEVER WANTED TO BECOME SLAVES OF MUSLIM INVADORS THAT WERE REASON FOR THERE BECOMING WIDOW
cast system is there in ur hinduism(this is 21st century)
IT IS ABOLISHED AND HINDUS ACCEPT CHANGE —- DOES UR ACCEPT CHANGE…. BIG NO
if saudi will stop petrol supplies to india india will come to a halt know that india begs saudi
SORRY UR SAUDI ECONOMY IS RUN BY OIL — WORRY WHEN THE WORLD FINDS ALTERNATE FUEL AND THE OIL RESERVES GET OVER IN SAUDI — WHAT NEXT —
ANIL
Comment by Koul Anil — September 18, 2008 @ 7:58 pm
@nadim & adil
another thing here
saudi’s major revenue comes from tourists of haj pilgrimage
not only oil.
how wil u generate revenue in independent kashmir????
tourism?? it will extinct with its independence
if in doubt get facts of azad kashmir.
u guys are biggest beggars of india
the day india stops givin grant to kashmir
u will run for food rather than your fake independence!
Comment by tarun — September 18, 2008 @ 10:16 pm
tarun sahab
so you accept that pok is azad & indian held kashmir is colonised; (good remark)
it is not ur headache hw can we generarte revenue.do u know 60 countries in the world r smaller in size than kashmir.
about begging do u know that 70% of the beggers in kashmir are indians. u must visit srinagar to confirm 4 ur self.
we never asked india 4 favours. if u dont like spending on us so much why dont u leave us alone & 4 ur satisfaction india spends on its army (state terrorists) who kill inoccents in kashmir in order 2 lessen the muslim population.
well we have enough resources in our kashmiri nation 2 feed ourself.
if we wll cut apple supplies 2 india u wll dream even 2 taste the best apple on the planet. do u know the profit indian mandis make o0f our apple.it is ten times more than our 4ruit growers.
u may like 2 call it fake but kashmir wll get independence. if not 2day but some other day. even if evry kashmiri has 2 sacrifice his life 4 it.
Comment by nadim & aadil — September 20, 2008 @ 7:04 pm
Kashmir needs freedom …
there is no doubt about it …
Comment by chandra — September 20, 2008 @ 7:40 pm
SO WHEN ARE U EMBRACING ISLAM , U ARE WEkoul sahab
I WOULD LIKE TO THANK U FOR UR CRITICISM(BASELESS) AGAINST ISLAM THAT IT HAS MADE ME TO GET INVOLVED MORE INTO ISLAM(TRUTH,PEACE LOVING,COMPLETE PEACEFUL WAY OF LIFE)
1. ABT COPY PASTING , u did it from the very beginning of ur writings (but did it out of context) we pasted the whole story & its logic
2. HINDU ITS ORIGIN:
here is the written statements by jawaharlal nehru ,a kashmiri by origin, first prime minister of india about hinduism IN HIS BOOK ‘discovery of india’
Jawaharlal Nehru, in his book ‘Discovery of India’, writes on pg. 74-75, that the earliest reference to the word ‘Hindu’ can be traced to a tantrik of the 8th Century C.E., where it means a people and not a follower of a particular religion. The use of the word ‘Hindu’ in connection with a particular religion is of late occurrence.
3. ABT CASTE SYSTEM :welcome to the equality loving ISLAM (islam teaches praying in single lines (safas) in namaz wether rich or poor,black or white,tall or short,thin or thick, , well now u agree that hinduism is nothing but a religion wich was made by people who wanted to get worldly luxuries from it by supressing the poor calling them untouchables & saying that brahma did made castes sitting on that lotus……..
BUDHAS WORDS:
The BUDHA said:
“By birth one is not an outcaste,
By birth one is not a brahmin;
By deeds alone one is an outcaste,
By deeds alone one is a brahmin.”
4. HINDUISM PREACHES TERRORISM:
In Rig Veda III:34:9 Indra killed the Dasyus (dark skinned natives) and
“gave protection to the Aryan color.” Not only did the Aryans shamelessly
pray for booty in war but they based their militarily won supremacy on
the lightness of their skin color compared to the dark colors of the native
Dasyus. They arrogantly proclaim, “Let those who have no weapons suffer sorrow.” (Rig
Veda IV:5:14.)]
5. BUDHAS SAYINGS ABOUT KRISHNA:
Even Krishna is not an exception,he is answerable for his immoral
behaviour and for corruption on this Earth.
6. ABT WORSHIPPING PENIS (LOUDA):
There is a religion, where all women worship the “PENIS”
monkeys are considered gods.
“Bhut” (ghosts) are gods , too.
ask your mother, whose penis she used to worship.
WHAT A SHAME !!!!!!!!
I THOUGHT ABT IT THIS IS WAT CAME OUT OF MY MIND::::
IS PENIS REALLY BASIS OF CREATION ???
IS NOT SPERM MORE A BASIS OF CREATION ,THE CHROMOSOMES, THE GENES,THE PROTIENS,THE NUCLEOTIDES,THE AMMINO ACIDS,THE CARBON & HYDROGEN……
( THINK ABT IT)
WHY DO NOT YOU PEOPLE (FOOLS) SPRINKLE SPERM ON UR SHIV LINGAM , WELL I WILL IF I GET A CHANCE ???
HOWEVER WE MUSLIMS(ALLHAMDULILAH) PRAY TO ALLAH THE CREATOR OF ALL MANKIND & NOT THE CREATION.
7. ABT SATI ::
it is a frogery that muslims used to make widows slaves.
8. ABT NO. OF GODS IN HINDUISM:
well it is a fact that the no. of ur gods increases day after day::
IN SOUTH IT IS RAJNIKANTH…
IN MUMBAI IT IS AMITABH BACHAN….
AND NOW DHONI TOO IS UPCOMMING GOD TO U….
KEEP THE NO. INCREASING THIS IS THE WAY TO INCREASE POPULATION OF HINDUS
THIS IS A FACT THAT HINDUS WORSHIP THERE( filmstars,cricketers) IDOLS. these r acually those idol manufacturers befooling U inorder to earn wealth.HAHAHAHA…
(THINK ABT IT DO NOT WASTE MONEY ON THIS SHIT IDOL),,,
I THINK THERE MIGHT BE A SHARE ” RAM’S IDOL” IN STOCK EXCHAGE IN INDIA SOON. HAHAHA….
“we believe that there is none worthy worshipping excepting ALLAH & PROPHET (SAW) is ALLAH’S servant & a messenger of ALLAH”.
ALLAH is an ARABIC word which has no gender , no plural in ARABIC language.
ALLAH is defined in QURAN as follows::
SAY: HE IS ALLAH THE ONE AND ONLY ALLAH
THE ETERNAL, THE ABSOLUTE
HE BEGETETH NOT NOR IS HE BEGOTTEN
AND THERE IS NONE LIKE UNTO HIM.
AT THE END I WILL WRITE A QUOTE FROM QURAN SHARIEF( TRUTH)::
“” INVITE (ALL) TO THE WAY OF THE LORD WITH WISDOM & BEAUTIFUL PREACHINGS; AND ARGUE WITH THEM IN WAYS THAT ARE BEST & MOST GRACIOUS
FOR THY . LORD KNOWETH BEST , WHO HAVE STRAYED FROM HIS PATH & WHO RECEIVE GUIDANCE “”, QURAN 16::125
LCOME ANYTIME…..
THANKS FOR READING & UNDERSTANDING.
Comment by nadim & aadil — September 20, 2008 @ 10:37 pm
KASHMIR NEEDS FREEDOM FROM MUSLEMS AND ISLAM …. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Comment by chandra — September 21, 2008 @ 6:22 am
chandra
kashmir has got freedom from hindus in Sheikh ul Alam’s time.
Insha Allah we will soon get freedom from indian agressive colonisation.
For “dogra pandits” like u there is no space in Kashmir( keep dreaming comming back)
Comment by nadim & aadil — September 22, 2008 @ 12:27 pm
Isnt our dream realistic —- but ur dream of getting 72 virgins — what is it??? Keep dreaming === on this earth and there after.
Raju
Comment by R Dhar — September 22, 2008 @ 12:50 pm
>>but ur dream of getting 72 virgins — what is it
rlof
you forgot 28 guys also ….
I think this guy is wasting time out here in the forum he should go and join the JIHADI’s.
Comment by Vicky — September 22, 2008 @ 12:53 pm
I JUST SAW THIS EMAIL AND WAS AMAZED
PLEASE DO TAKE FEW MINUTES TO READ
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Kashmir is the Defining Issue of Indian Identity
Subramanian Swamy
[The writer is a former Union Law Minister]
Recently, some columnists have advocated that India should let go of Kashmir. While not wanting to wear patriotism on my sleeve, I would say that the silent suffering majority of India wants none of this.
The Kashmir “issue” in fact can no more be solved even by dialogue either with the Pakistanis or the Hurriyat leave alone the Constitutional impossibility of allowing it to secede, because in a few years hence we do not know what kind of Pakistan there will be.
The Pakistan army today, by all informed sources available to me, has a majority of captains and colonels who owe allegiance to the Taliban and Islamic Fundamentalism. In another five years, these middle ranks will reach, by normal promotions, the corp commander level. We know that the government in Pakistan has always been controlled by the seven corp commanders of the army. Therefore a Taliban government in Pakistan five years hence seems a highly probable outcome. Jehad i.e., war against India will then be the logical consequence of that outcome.
Since the Hurriyat in Kashmir is an organization that cannot go against Pakistan
hence India has about five years to prepare for a decisive and defining war with Pakistan and we must prepare to win it to avoid balkanization of India. We therefore should refute those Indian columnists, academicians or politicians who crave or preen themselves on being popular in Pakistan, by sounding reasonable and secular on the issue of Kashmir.
Kashmir in fact is now our defining identity and a touchstone for our resolve to preserve our national integrity. The population of that state may be majority Muslim, but the land and its history is pre-dominantly Hindu. For our commitment to the survival of the ancient civilization of India and composite culture that secularists talk of, we have not only to win that coming inevitable war but also never to part with Kashmir.
I will not blame the jehadis for the coming war. They are after all programmed that way by their understanding of Islamic theology. I will blame ourselves for not understanding their understanding of the fundamentals of Islam as propounded in the Sira and the Hadith. It is foolish therefore in the face of this reality to expound the banal sentiment that “all Muslims are not terrorists or fanatics”. Of course that is true. Or that Koran is a message of peace. May be it is.
However, the Islam of the cutting edge of Muslim fundamentalism that is propounded by leaders such as Osama Bin Laden is in Sira and Hadith, and now increasingly followed in Pakistan, which calls on the faithful to wage war against the infidels who cannot strike back effectively, and crush them. This is why the Kashmiri Hindu Pandits were driven out in the first place.
The struggle for Kashmir by the jehadis thus is not just for independence. By their own declaration, they instead want a Darul Islam there and for the state to become a part of the Caliphate. We cannot allow in our national security interest such a state in our frontier to emerge. Hence the question of parting with Kashmir cannot arise. We have to go all out instead to retain Kashmir as a part of India wherein Hindus and Muslims can live in peace and harmony, if possible, or without that if necessary.
Pakistanis often quote the UN Resolutions on Kashmir to argue for a plebiscite. This obfuscates the fact of Accession of the state to India. The legality of the Instrument of Accession signed in favour of India by the then Maharaja of J&K, Hari Singh, on October 26, 1947 has to prevail anyway. To disregard it will create a plethora of legal issues including what will become the status of the Maharaja if we abrogate this Instrument and re-open the question of Partition itself. Will therefore, for example, Dr. Karan Singh, the son of Maharaja Hari Singh, have then a claim to be regarded again as an independent and sovereign King of J&K ?
In the Junagadh issue, Pakistan had held the Instrument once signed is “final, irrevocable, and not requiring the wishes of the people to be ascertained”. That is the correct legal position. But the Junagadh Nawab after signing the Instrument in favour of Pakistan, invaded the neighbouring princely states, states which had acceded to India. This violated the terms of the Indian Independence Act(1947) enacted by the British Parliament. So when the Indian Army was moved by Patel to defend these areas, the Nawab fearful of the consequences ran away to Pakistan. His subjects mostly Hindu and abandoned, then welcomed the Indian army to Junagadh.
Furthermore, on what legal basis can we de novo seek to ascertain the wishes of the people of J&K as Pakistan asks, when the Indian Independence Act makes no provision for the same ? After all it was this same Act which created a legal entity called Pakistan, carved out from the united India. India under the Act was a settled and continuing entity out which the British Parliament made a new entity called Pakistan. Never in previous history there was ever a country called Pakistan. The concept itself was conceptualized as recent as in 1940 and legalised only in 1947.
By what mechanism can then Pakistan today seek to amend or even disregard the Act without unwittingly undermining the legal status of Pakistan itself? That is, if the Instrument of Accession is called into question, will not Partition itself be subject to challenge as without legal basis on the same consideration?
I raise this question also because of the Constitutional futility of pursuing the issue of secession of Kashmir. In the case of Beruberi in Eastern India, the transfer of that area to Bangla Desh although had been agreed to, has been enmeshed in prolonged litigation in the Indian Supreme Court because of Article 1 of the Indian Constitution bars de-merger of any Indian territory after 1950.
Another argument advanced by these columnists is that if Kashmiri Muslims do not want live in India then it is against human rights to force them to do so, That argument is contradicted by the Bangla Desh example. The area of that country was first created by Partition. The Indian army jawans in 1971 had created Bangla Desh out of Pakistan in circumstances well known to all. But despite that, millions of Bengali Muslims have come into India as illegal immigrants and are quite happy working with Hindus in India. But Partition was agreed to by Hindus for those Muslims whom Jinnah said could not bear to live under alleged Hindu hegemony. And now, after getting their territory, the Bangla Deshis Muslims who were party to Partition, are now voting with their feet to proclaim that they are happy to live in India with Hindus.
Hence, similiarly, after getting Kashmir as an independent country, the Kashmiri Muslims may, like the Bangla Desh Muslims, come to live in India anyway ! What then is the point of severing Kashmir from India as these columnists suggest ?
India should henceforth refuse to engage in any dialogue on Kashmir except in that which the other side accepts the whole of Kashmir as an integral and inalienable part of India. The people of Kashmir should be left in no doubt in their minds where the overwhelming number of citizens of India stand on the future of the state. Therefore those who at this crucial juncture of our history advocate any dilution of this stand are leading the people of Kashmir to more misery by encouraging forces of jehad to keep at their nefarious activities by raising hopes that with rising costs, India will capitulate. The fact is any democratically elected Indian government knows that it can never capitulate on issues of national integrity and risk an upheaval. The Rama Setu and Amarnath issues have proved that beyond doubt. Advocating letting go of Kashmir therefore is a dangerous exercise in futility.
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HOW VERY TRUE…
ANIL
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nadim & aadil….
I think u people are just dreaming on computer… go out and see… U want freedom from what.. India… then will be part of pakistan… ok think for a while u get freedom… then india will stop all communication and suply from kasmir… everything… not even eletricty… evry bank… even the currency Rupee will be withdrawn… then think will u be able to sustain and survive for week atleast… sure will not…. does ur azad kasmir have a independednt currency… indepedent goerner… go there feel the azadi there….. even pakistan can’t able to feed u people for a day…. forget jammu.. it will still with india…. how much u earn a month…. ithink u earn not more than a 1000 per month.. its ur good luck u earn this much… what will u do in azad kasmir…. sure will be jihadi den.. a freedom fiter… good luck body…. i always have strong feeling that u people are our country people…. but being muslim also u do not know what is islam… if u people think to get independence then… what abt.. hyderabad.. aurangabad.. etc etc… some body save u brother
Comment by Ghani — February 10, 2009 @ 6:55 pm
I am a simple Kashmiri Boy. I have been the witness of the brutality of Indian forces on my Land.
I dont know who is Pakistan or who is India. Neither we kashiris support India nor we we support Pakistan.
We are not among any of these. Infact India and Pakistan or not any two Places. We should keep in mind that Pakistan was once a part of India. So it doesnt matter this is Pakistan or this is India, all are same.
I simple want to tell India to get out of my land. you have to leave our Kashmir…. It may take One year, 10 years, 100 years but we will not accept India in any way. This is the truth whether you accept it or not.
We are Kashmiris not Indians and we never be Indians.
Comment by Samir Ahmad — February 21, 2009 @ 11:24 am
Samir,
Please understand that the land originally belongs to Kashmiri Hindus .
Why do you want to think that you are the one to decide for them ?
Comment by Roshan Gupta — February 22, 2009 @ 9:31 am
Mr Smir Ahmad,
Why I am not surprised at what u wrote. This is a great trait of most of the muslims world wide why should u be different….
I still remember and know how u people support the pakistan and cherish even rapes by paki terrorists when done on ur underaged girls. Don’t u people sing on marriages “sabz dastaras nabi chui razi .. pakistanuk kazi aav” Is that why u call ur self a simple kashmiri boy with typical character of chameleon that muslims have shown and demonstrated worldwide.
You play a card that u have seen atrocities on muslims in Kashmir… but have u ever looked back in history what Islam has done to whole world from the very time of its existence, to me ISLAM HAS NOT AN IOTA OF PEACE IN IT IT IS AND WILL REMAIN BARBARIC RELIGION TILL IT VANISHES FROM FACE OF THIS EARTH….
And kashmir and its history in itself is pure example of islamic terrorism… THINK and READ carefully…. Before u talk to Pandits on these forums…
WE WERE HELPLESS IN FRONT OF GUNS …. BUT YOU WILL BE NO MATCH TO OUR PENS… WE WILL USE AND TEACH TO YOUR OWN QURAN BETTER THAN UR MOULVIS … TRUST ME ON THAT…
BTW HAVE U EVER WONDERED THAT U WERE KASHMIRI PUNDIT AT ONE TIME AND HISTORY WILL TELL U THAT… AND SEE WHAT ISLAM DID TO U AND OTHER MUSLIMS WORLD WIDE…
I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH MUSLIMS THEY ARE HUMANS THE MOMENT ISLAM LEAVES THEM AND THAT IS ESTABLISHED FACT….
TAKE A WORLD MAP AND USE PEN TO MARK THE PLACES THAT ARE IN ONE OR OTHER WAY EFFECTED BY WAR OR TERRORISM OR SUICIDE BOMBINGS AND THEN RESEARCH HOW MANY OF THOSE PLACES MUSLIMS ARE INVOLVED?? THINK WHY??
MUSLIM – ISLAM = PEACEFUL HUMAN
HUMAN + ISLAM = TERRORIST
THE ABOVE IS WELL SUPPORTED BY UR RELIGIOUS DOCUMENTS, TEXTS AND ISLAMIC HISTORY OF EXPANSION…. CAN ISLAM EVER HAVE SPREAD WITHOUT FEAR…. THINK.
ANIL KOUL
Comment by KOUL ANIL — February 23, 2009 @ 3:35 am
My Dear Hindu Brother … first Let me tell you something about you…
You are a Kashmiri Pandit… and Pandits dont ever like to call themsleves a Hindu.
because Hindu is no word. Hindu means one who lives in Hindustan whether he is a Sikh, Muslim Or any one else.
Second thing this land does not belong to only you people. we were first Pandits of Kashmir. Infact every one in Kashmir was a Pandit. But Some accepted Islam and some remained whatever they were.
So my dear brother acceptance of Islam doesnt means that we are not kashmiris. even i must say that we have much more rights to decide on Kashmir. What ever happened there we remained witness of everything. we remained stand on every thing happening there. What you people did. You left your land and saved your lives. How much Kashmiri Pandits have died and given their lives in this armed Struggle out there.
But still we dont ever say that you are not the part of Kashmir. we ever said that you are our brothers and this our goodness. whether you accept this or not.
Comment by Samir Ahmad — February 23, 2009 @ 6:38 am
And You Anil Koul …….. or what ever you are called
Go back to your History first and then talk to me.
Let me tell you
- Islam is the second Largest Religion of the World.
- Islam is the 1st Largest Spreading Religion of the world.
So be in your Shoes. Dont try to comment on Islam. If you think you are much wiser than anyone else then i dare you to read Quran first … Search on Net you will get the Quran in any language you need.
Comment by Samir Ahmad — February 23, 2009 @ 6:49 am
Mr. Koul,
It seems you are very good at equating I believe and I do agree that your present ideas are nothing but the outburst of what you have faced and lost; I personally feel sad about it.
It seems you are good with history true, so let me take you back a little when Muslims in Kashmir were not educated enough or may be were not given a chance to scale ahead…..Anyway and your elite Pandit class was well educated. If a Muslim wanted to write a letter to his someone outside then of course he used to knock at his Pandit brother’s door asking for help but in return the guy used to send the letter to his own relative and so on….you might have heard this…..isn’t it???…very famous about how Pandits were historically.
Now coming to religion: YES ISLAM is of course the enemy of non believers because of the fact that it doesn’t allow those flexible moves which for the sake of greed is induced in other religions also it doesn’t allows any human intrusion in religion while in Hinduism it is very common and now a days there is in fact is no Hindu religion existing even in your so called Hindu state of India. It is perishing with every frustrated move made by fanatics; who for the sake of politics are using it on Muslims unfortunately and blaming it on them too (Most unfortunate).
Coming back to Kashmir now: I couldn’t understand the fact that why you choose to flee your motherland in early/mid nineties; I know there had been incidents around with you but if you still go by your so called knowledge, which is mistakenly sharp enough, “the state of J&K has lost 1,60,000 youths, half of the same count is missing and out of this 99.9% are Muslims. The state has lost education, jobs, business, infrastructural development and youth are jobless and you know what…….all of them are Muslims who have lost it and are loosing it day in and day out. You got what you wanted after fleeing but we all know at what cost it has come; your migrant camps are witness to that. Your migrant funds, reservations etc etc….what more you could have asked for!!! But I don’t believe on this theory. I personally feel bad if someone is uprooted from its soil but sorry to say this is another mistake which you have done as being opportunists. Also on the time when you said, “All Kashmiri’s were Pundits; Muslims were Pundits in past”…..Yes you are right, the history is there. And if you research why they converted then I think you will get the answer and that answer is the threat to non-believers, which is bewildering them to this extent that they shout on nothing.
I too have non-Muslim friends with whom I never ever had any issues and they are intelligent enough to foresee and agree on what we Muslims are saying in today’s World. We share our meals and every moment but we never induce religion in that….If we do then the opportunist will gain mileage, which some of us in India are looking for to further divide. It is we Muslims who are safeguarding Hinduism……SHOCKED!!!! Let me explain it a bit. Only Muslims are the one who dare to challenge; and in today’s invasion from the West, all Indians would have been converted to Christianity if there wouldn’t have been Muslims to defend and counter. This statement is most probably a bit higher than your level of thinking and it needs not the opportunist view like you (Pundits) have but a free independent mind. If India is dancing on the tunes of its heritage, tourism and bla bla bla; it is all because of Muslims. If Mughals hadn’t been here then you most probably wouldn’t had anything to cheer and show, accept KAMASUTRA in the caves of Ajanta or may be some castles.
And please, I request don’t mix Islam with modem terrorism; World has accepted Islam as the true religion which has its roots deep inside the truthfulness and practicality. I don’t blame other religions of being false but as I said earlier (which my religion ISLAM doesn’t allow; see how generous ISLAM is), those have been continuously amended as per the convenience of generations. But ISLAM is one and will remain there till eternity no matter what opportunists believe and think. It is not barbaric but yes for those who harm it or try to misinterpret it; it definitely is worst than what you have imagined in the scariest of your dreams.
Now about the World: Islam is the fastest spreading religion on this planet; i am not saying this but experts do. And for those who think their cruel intentions and their freedom to intrude the religions will go away are definitely feeling the heat. So the same reason why on today’s map you will see the areas which are populated my Muslims have issues in one way the other……For that I would suggest you refer to some good books or dig in some websites to find out the fact. I hope you don’t need a pen to mark the areas but you will have an idea which is not hit by the dead end but the nice beginning.
BTW here are some sources FYR:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/article3653800.ece
http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/9704/14/egypt.islam/
I don’ t know but may be your upbringing or lack of acceptance the truth has something to do about it but every person from any religion will agree to this, “if you remove religion from a human being then he no longer remains a human”. I am sure and possibly you will also agree that a dog, cat, cow, and all the species on this Earth are not Hindus or Muslims either…..At least I haven’t met any Hindu animal so far…LoL…sorry for that. Hope this gives an answer to your equation???
Religion is the path how one should live his/her life and prepare for the death and life after and no religion if it is the real Word of God will show the wrong path and that is what Islam purely teaches with practical examples of real life. There are so many examples where in lot of non-Muslim scholars and inventors have been seen referring to Islam for a right and practical justification of what they had been confused/conflicted within the other books. There are sources on internet you can use them to explore.
Lastly Kashmir belongs to Kashmiri’s whether Muslims or Pundits or the rest but don’t know who is brain washing you to think that you are not the part of it anymore (May be the recent Jammu incident.. please don’t follow it…it doesn’t have roots). Remember one thing, freedom lies within the mind and body is to act on the same. For that hypocrisies have to give way to the real aspect of life and that is well within ISLAM. So be brave and face the truth and I request you again to stop shouting on religion….this will only increase the divide and might end in the destruction of the roots. If you have the faith and truthfulness for your land then you will come back to the same else you will always keep on blogging like this.
Now let me equate something:
HUMAN + TRUE RELIGION = PEACE
HUMAN + No-RELIGION = OPPOURTUNISTS
My arithmetic is not good but I am trying to be general…
Thanks for reading this.
Comment by Neo — February 23, 2009 @ 9:52 am
@samir ahmed,
yes, no one knows anything about islam, including you.
####- Islam is the second Largest Religion of the World.
- Islam is the 1st Largest Spreading Religion of the world.####
by what way, forcibly converting people to other religion, by issueing statements ” convert to islam or men get killed, women will be raped”. if this is what is increasing, even i can increase my tribe.
Comment by venkat — February 23, 2009 @ 9:56 am
@samir ahmed,
even if you shout from your Ar@se, kashmir is & will be part of india, go i die some where, not in my counry.
Comment by venkat — February 23, 2009 @ 9:58 am
@samir ahmed,
even if you shout from your Ar@se, kashmir is & will be part of india, go and die some where, not in my counry.
Comment by venkat — February 23, 2009 @ 10:01 am
Samir,
Finally some one accepts that KM’s were orginally pandits
Yes we all witness how Islam is spread, the world is watching what is going on in Pakistan… what is going in swat…
you guys wanted the same in kashmir, talibanising kashmir… have sharia over there.
Which armed struggled are you talking about, killing innocent people….
If we would have stayed there for some more time you would have killed us in mass, after all we are infidels ….
Well you guys are getting what you deserve, india is okay feeding your guys .
Have a free lunch.
PS: I do sympathize for KM’s but you guys created it and you should fix it now
“aanam soa wayem soa lagim soa panas”
Comment by vicky — February 23, 2009 @ 10:19 am
Great yaar are are great …!!!
You have much knowledge about Islam.
But my dear can u plz tell me where Muslims have converted people by force. Or where you have heard about any war to spread Islam and they have won ending the conversion of all people.
Comment by Samir Ahmad — February 23, 2009 @ 10:29 am
And one more thing ” TO DIE ONE NEED COURAGE”
that you cowards dont have.
Ha Ha Ha
Comment by Samir Ahmad — February 23, 2009 @ 10:30 am
I want to tell you one more thing
Keep your country in ur “….”
you know where….
ha ha ha
Comment by Samir Ahmad — February 23, 2009 @ 10:36 am
Mr. Koul,
It seems you are very good at equating I believe and I do agree that your present ideas are nothing but the outburst of what you have faced and lost; I personally feel sad about it.
It seems you are good with history too, so let me take you back a little when Muslims in Kashmir were not educated enough or may be were not given a chance to scale ahead…..Anyway and your elite Pandit class was well educated. If a Muslim wanted to write a letter to his someone outside then of course he used to knock at his Pandit brother’s door asking for help but in return the guy used to send the letter to his own relative and so on….you might have heard this…..isn’t it???…very famous about how Pandits were historically.
Now coming to religion: YES ISLAM is of course the enemy of non believers because of the fact that it doesn’t allow those flexible moves which for the sake of greed is induced in other religions also it doesn’t allows any human intrusion in religion while in Hinduism it is very common and now a days there is in fact is no Hindu religion existing even in your so called Hindu state of India. It is perishing with every frustrated move made by fanatics; who for the sake of politics are using it on Muslims unfortunately and blaming it on them too (Most unfortunate).
Coming back to Kashmir now: I couldn’t understand the fact that why you choose to flee your motherland in early/mid nineties; I know there had been incidents around with you but if you still go by your so called knowledge, which is mistakenly sharp enough, “the state of J&K has lost 1,60,000 youths, half of the same count is missing and out of this 99.9% are Muslims. The state has lost education, jobs, business, infrastructural development and youth are jobless and you know what…….all of them are Muslims who have lost it and are loosing it day in and day out. You got what you wanted after fleeing but we all know at what cost it has come; your migrant camps are witness to that. Your migrant funds, reservations etc etc….what more you could have asked for!!! But I don’t believe on this theory. I personally feel bad if someone is uprooted from its soil but sorry to say this is another mistake which you have done as being opportunists. Also on the time when you said, “All Kashmiri’s were Pundits; Muslims were Pundits in past”…..Yes you are right, the history is there. And if you research why they converted then I think you will get the answer and that answer is the threat to non-believers, which is bewildering them to this extent that they shout on nothing.
I too have non-Muslim friends with whom I never ever had any issues and they are intelligent enough to foresee and agree on what we Muslims are saying in today’s World. We share our meals and every moment but we never induce religion in that….If we do then the opportunist will gain mileage, which some of us in India are looking for to further divide. It is we Muslims who are safeguarding Hinduism……SHOCKED!!!! Let me explain it a bit. Only Muslims are the one who dare to challenge; and in today’s invasion from the West, all Indians would have been converted to Christianity if there wouldn’t have been Muslims to defend and counter. This statement is most probably a bit higher than your level of thinking and it needs not the opportunist view like you (Pundits) have but a free independent mind. If India is dancing on the tunes of its heritage, tourism and bla bla bla; it is all because of Muslims. If Mughals hadn’t been here then you most probably wouldn’t had anything to cheer and show, accept KAMASUTRA in the caves of Ajanta or may be some castles.
And please, I request don’t mix Islam with modem terrorism; World has accepted Islam as the true religion which has its roots deep inside the truthfulness and practicality. I don’t blame other religions of being false but as I said earlier (which my religion ISLAM doesn’t allow; see how generous ISLAM is), those have been continuously amended as per the convenience of generations. But ISLAM is one and will remain there till eternity no matter what opportunists believe and think. It is not barbaric but yes for those who harm it or try to misinterpret it; it definitely is worst than what you have imagined in the scariest of your dreams.
Now about the World: Islam is the fastest spreading religion on this planet; i am not saying this but experts do. And for those who think their cruel intentions and their freedom to intrude the religions will go away are definitely feeling the heat. So the same reason why on today’s map you will see the areas which are populated my Muslims have issues in one way the other……For that I would suggest you refer to some good books or dig in some websites to find out the fact. I hope you don’t need a pen to mark the areas but you will have an idea which is not hit by the dead end but the nice beginning.
BTW here are some sources FYR:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/article3653800.ece
http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/9704/14/egypt.islam/
I don’ t know but may be your upbringing or lack of acceptance the truth has something to do about it but every person from any religion will agree to this, “if you remove religion from a human being then he no longer remains a human”. I am sure and possibly you will also agree that a dog, cat, cow, and all the species on this Earth are not Hindus or Muslims either…..At least I haven’t met any Hindu animal so far…LoL…sorry for that. Hope this gives an answer to your equation???
Religion is the path how one should live his/her life and prepare for the death and life after and no religion if it is the real Word of God will show the wrong path and that is what Islam purely teaches with practical examples of real life. There are so many examples where in lot of non-Muslim scholars and inventors have been seen referring to Islam for a right and practical justification of what they had been confused/conflicted within the other books. There are sources on internet you can use them to explore.
Lastly Kashmir belongs to Kashmiri’s whether Muslims or Pundits or the rest but don’t know who is brain washing you to think that you are not the part of it anymore (May be the recent Jammu incident.. please don’t follow it…it doesn’t have roots). Remember one thing, freedom lies within the mind and body is to act on the same. For that hypocrisies have to give way to the real aspect of life and that is well within ISLAM. So be brave and face the truth and I request you again to stop shouting on religion….this will only increase the divide and might end in the destruction of the roots. If you have the faith and truthfulness for your land then you will come back to the same else you will always keep on blogging like this.
Now let me equate something:
HUMAN + TRUE RELIGION = PEACE
HUMAN + No-RELIGION = OPPOURTUNISTS
My arithmetic is not good but I am trying to be general…
Thanks for reading this.
Comment by Jammy — February 23, 2009 @ 11:56 am
don’t talk too much!!! you PANDITs
Comment by Harkat — February 23, 2009 @ 11:57 am
Mr. Koul,
It seems you are very good at equating I believe and I do agree that your present ideas are nothing but the outburst of what you have faced and lost; I personally feel sad about it.
It seems you are good with history true, so let me take you back a little when Muslims in Kashmir were not educated enough or may be were not given a chance to scale ahead…..Anyway and your elite Pandit class was well educated. If a Muslim wanted to write a letter to his someone outside then of course he used to knock at his Pandit brother’s door asking for help but in return the guy used to send the letter to his own relative and so on….you might have heard this…..isn’t it???…very famous about how Pandits were historically.
Now coming to religion: YES ISLAM is of course the enemy of non believers because of the fact that it doesn’t allow those flexible moves which for the sake of greed is induced in other religions also it doesn’t allows any human intrusion in religion while in Hinduism it is very common and now a days there is in fact is no Hindu religion existing even in your so called Hindu state of India. It is perishing with every frustrated move made by fanatics; who for the sake of politics are using it on Muslims unfortunately and blaming it on them too (Most unfortunate).
Coming back to Kashmir now: I couldn’t understand the fact that why you choose to flee your motherland in early/mid nineties; I know there had been incidents around with you but if you still go by your so called knowledge, which is mistakenly sharp enough, “the state of J&K has lost 1,60,000 youths, half of the same count is missing and out of this 99.9% are Muslims. The state has lost education, jobs, business, infrastructural development and youth are jobless and you know what…….all of them are Muslims who have lost it and are loosing it day in and day out. You got what you wanted after fleeing but we all know at what cost it has come; your migrant camps are witness to that. Your migrant funds, reservations etc etc….what more you could have asked for!!! But I don’t believe on this theory. I personally feel bad if someone is uprooted from its soil but sorry to say this is another mistake which you have done as being opportunists. Also on the time when you said, “All Kashmiri’s were Pundits; Muslims were Pundits in past”…..Yes you are right, the history is there. And if you research why they converted then I think you will get the answer and that answer is the threat to non-believers, which is bewildering them to this extent that they shout on nothing.
I too have non-Muslim friends with whom I never ever had any issues and they are intelligent enough to foresee and agree on what we Muslims are saying in today’s World. We share our meals and every moment but we never induce religion in that….If we do then the opportunist will gain mileage, which some of us in India are looking for to further divide. It is we Muslims who are safeguarding Hinduism……SHOCKED!!!! Let me explain it a bit. Only Muslims are the one who dare to challenge; and in today’s invasion from the West, all Indians would have been converted to Christianity if there wouldn’t have been Muslims to defend and counter. This statement is most probably a bit higher than your level of thinking and it needs not the opportunist view like you (Pundits) have but a free independent mind. If India is dancing on the tunes of its heritage, tourism and bla bla bla; it is all because of Muslims. If Mughals hadn’t been here then you most probably wouldn’t had anything to cheer and show, accept KAMASUTRA in the caves of Ajanta or may be some castles.
And please, I request don’t mix Islam with modem terrorism; World has accepted Islam as the true religion which has its roots deep inside the truthfulness and practicality. I don’t blame other religions of being false but as I said earlier (which my religion ISLAM doesn’t allow; see how generous ISLAM is), those have been continuously amended as per the convenience of generations. But ISLAM is one and will remain there till eternity no matter what opportunists believe and think. It is not barbaric but yes for those who harm it or try to misinterpret it; it definitely is worst than what you have imagined in the scariest of your dreams. continued…
Comment by Neo — February 23, 2009 @ 12:03 pm
continued….
Now about the World: Islam is the fastest spreading religion on this planet; i am not saying this but experts do. And for those who think their cruel intentions and their freedom to intrude the religions will go away are definitely feeling the heat. So the same reason why on today’s map you will see the areas which are populated my Muslims have issues in one way the other……For that I would suggest you refer to some good books or dig in some websites to find out the fact. I hope you don’t need a pen to mark the areas but you will have an idea which is not hit by the dead end but the nice beginning.
BTW here are some sources FYR:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/article3653800.ece
http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/9704/14/egypt.islam/
I don’ t know but may be your upbringing or lack of acceptance the truth has something to do about it but every person from any religion will agree to this, “if you remove religion from a human being then he no longer remains a human”. I am sure and possibly you will also agree that a dog, cat, cow, and all the species on this Earth are not Hindus or Muslims either…..At least I haven’t met any Hindu animal so far…LoL…sorry for that. Hope this gives an answer to your equation???
Religion is the path how one should live his/her life and prepare for the death and life after and no religion if it is the real Word of God will show the wrong path and that is what Islam purely teaches with practical examples of real life. There are so many examples where in lot of non-Muslim scholars and inventors have been seen referring to Islam for a right and practical justification of what they had been confused/conflicted within the other books. There are sources on internet you can use them to explore.
Lastly Kashmir belongs to Kashmiri’s whether Muslims or Pundits or the rest but don’t know who is brain washing you to think that you are not the part of it anymore (May be the recent Jammu incident.. please don’t follow it…it doesn’t have roots). Remember one thing, freedom lies within the mind and body is to act on the same. For that hypocrisies have to give way to the real aspect of life and that is well within ISLAM. So be brave and face the truth and I request you again to stop shouting on religion….this will only increase the divide and might end in the destruction of the roots. If you have the faith and truthfulness for your land then you will come back to the same else you will always keep on blogging like this.
Now let me equate something:
HUMAN + TRUE RELIGION = PEACE
HUMAN + No-RELIGION = OPPOURTUNISTS
My arithmetic is not good but I am trying to be general…
Thanks for reading this.
Comment by Neo — February 23, 2009 @ 12:04 pm
continued….
Now about the World: Islam is the fastest spreading religion on this planet; i am not saying this but experts do. And for those who think their cruel intentions and their freedom to intrude the religions will go away are definitely feeling the heat. So the same reason why on today’s map you will see the areas which are populated my Muslims have issues in one way the other……For that I would suggest you refer to some good books or dig in some websites to find out the fact. I hope you don’t need a pen to mark the areas but you will have an idea which is not hit by the dead end but the nice beginning.
I don’ t know but may be your upbringing or lack of acceptance the truth has something to do about it but every person from any religion will agree to this, “if you remove religion from a human being then he no longer remains a human”. I am sure and possibly you will also agree that a dog, cat, cow, and all the species on this Earth are not Hindus or Muslims either…..At least I haven’t met any Hindu animal so far…LoL…sorry for that. Hope this gives an answer to your equation???
Religion is the path how one should live his/her life and prepare for the death and life after and no religion if it is the real Word of God will show the wrong path and that is what Islam purely teaches with practical examples of real life. There are so many examples where in lot of non-Muslim scholars and inventors have been seen referring to Islam for a right and practical justification of what they had been confused/conflicted within the other books. There are sources on internet you can use them to explore.
Lastly Kashmir belongs to Kashmiri’s whether Muslims or Pundits or the rest but don’t know who is brain washing you to think that you are not the part of it anymore (May be the recent Jammu incident.. please don’t follow it…it doesn’t have roots). Remember one thing, freedom lies within the mind and body is to act on the same. For that hypocrisies have to give way to the real aspect of life and that is well within ISLAM. So be brave and face the truth and I request you again to stop shouting on religion….this will only increase the divide and might end in the destruction of the roots. If you have the faith and truthfulness for your land then you will come back to the same else you will always keep on blogging like this.
Now let me equate something:
HUMAN + TRUE RELIGION = PEACE
HUMAN + No-RELIGION = OPPOURTUNISTS
My arithmetic is not good but I am trying to be general…
Thanks for reading this
Comment by Neo — February 23, 2009 @ 12:05 pm
Samir and harkat….
Your writings are as illogical as the your belief.
You could have put across the greatness of Islam and talked about how ISLAMIC POLICE ALLOWED INNOCENT SCHOOL GIRLS to be burned in saudi for NOT WEARING HIJAB WHILE SCHOOL WAS ON FIRE. Have you people ever realized that Islam took ur freedom when ur fore-fathers converted, reverse conversion is not allowed in Islam and if some one abandons ISLAM as religion then he is served with death…. while as no other religion has that kind of sentence for freedom of thinking.
Harkat all you can do is publish a warning “don’t talk too much!!! you PANDITs” or I will kill u pandit…. take a chill pill AK-47 wont work on net and learn to use some logic. Don’t be as illogical as the very basis of your religious fundamentals that u follow….
Well Neo U will get a nice reply from me till then I am impressed that u are educated…..but open your eyes to and let logic seep in along with education…. U have a tool but what use if you cant use it ….. LOGICALLY…
Anil
Comment by Anil Koul — February 23, 2009 @ 9:59 pm
Neo,
If we were emotional fools our out burst would have happened when we were thrown out. This is calling spade a spade no matter what.
I was impressed when some of muslim friends (should I call them friends I wonder) talked about the story of muhammad and the lady that threw garbage on him, I thought he was great man … later to find to my astonishment that the story is fabricated by some Muslims to portray Muhammad as peaceful man. This story is about Abdul Baha who propagated Bahaii faith and were killed by muslims along with his children….
Muhammad did not spare the poetess who wrote about him and got her killed when she was feeding infant child… in which way kashmiri muslims are different I still remember Nandimarg massacre. You asked me to keep religion or ISLAM and kashmir separate but the fact is THEY ARE NOT… It was Nizame mustafa you wanted in kashmir… even thouh your own Gul muhammad burned Chari sherief… what a shame… It was you who shouted “ASI KYA GACHI PAKISTAN BATAV ROUS BATNAIV SAAN” wasen’t that ISLAM…. It is defined in islam as war booty the ladies and wealth of Infidels….
I was recently with my dental hygienist, as she was working on my teeth, I asked her which country she was from, and her reply was Iran. Next it was obvious to me that she is muslim, and I asked her so do you perform nimaz 5 times a day and she replied I do meditation. I asked her what about nimaz, and she replied I HATE ISLAM AND ITS FUNDAMENTALS…. wow I was taken back. I did not know what to ask next but I got some courage and asked her in that case why dont you leave ISLAM… her reply I WOULD LOVE TO BUT MY FAMILY IS IN IRAN AND HOPE U UNDERSTAND THAT THEY CAN BE KILLED BY MULLAS JUST IF THEY GET EVEN A LITTLE IDEA ABOUT ME… FOR THEM I AM STILL MUSLIM….. OTHER WISE I AM ATHEIST….
Now I agree with you Neo that ISLAM is growing religion thanks to its Mullas. In simple words Islam spreads through this message ” If you can’t convince them KILL THEM ”
ISLAM WITH MODERN TERRORISM… WHAT DO U MEAN???
I guess ISlam and Terrorism go hand in hand… the religion of peace . com says:
“Across the globe, from Thailand to New York, the Religion of Peace is beheading at a rate of one to two a day. Piotr Stanczak, an innocent engineer from Poland, was brutally carved up amid a chorus of praise
to Allah. ( No other religions appear interested in keeping pace).”
Muhammad was a highway robber and looter… in present day terrorists are same with better ammunition…
Your non muslim friends like u as human and the reason is because they are good humans too… the moment you follow your mullas after friday nimaz and plan to go to jannat to get your 72 virgins and 28 boys along with rivers of wine… the life taught by ISLAM u will ensure that place after you kill your friend as he is infidel that way ensuring and realizing the dream of every jehadi and true muslim.
You think we are brain washed I wonder at you intellect … don’t close your eyes like ostrich and assume that world cant see you. Who brain washed kashmiri muslims to take arms and kill us openly, who brainwashed kashmiri muslims and made they yell from the loud speakers from the mosques and ask us to leave….. who my friend who… IF NOT ISLAM….
It never works with muslims that they can co-exist with any other faith… and the very reason is ISLAM….. who am I not to talk about ISLAM when world is openly talking about … listen to Dr.wafa Sultan and many more on you tube… read faith freedom . org … by Ali Sina … they are Ex-Muslims and there are many more…. answer their questions…. Ali even went to extent of saying ” future of ISLAM is in dustbin of History”
No — I am not fighting religious war with you… It is waste of my time and yours too so please educate yourself little more and you will for sure know the truth that “KASHMIR PROBLEM IS BECAUSE OF ISLAM”
Or u can come back with logical argument and Koranic references, letting us know what is great in ISLAM and how do u see world if ISLAM prevailed everywhere — will it be like pakistan or Afgan or all the muslim countries with sharia law…. and what place ISLAM has technology, development, medicine, innovation emphasizing its present contribution as a second largest religion in world compared to even small population of ISRAEL. What do you see place for woman in that world of yours….
Looking forward to more ….
Anil
Comment by Anil Koul — February 23, 2009 @ 11:49 pm
Neo,
Anil had replied to you….
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If Mughals hadn’t been here then you most probably wouldn’t had anything to cheer and show, accept KAMASUTRA in the caves of Ajanta or may be some castles.
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lol
The best example would be to compare Paksitan/India, we both got freedom at the same time….
see where Pakistan is heading and where we are going….
Look what is happening to Islamic republic of Pakistan and where is secular India going.
Comment by vicky — February 24, 2009 @ 11:03 am
Anil,
First thing first….we can never tolerate anything against our Prophet Muhammad (PBUH). So please do not intentionally or unintentionally make any statement about him. My Islam teaches me, if you are not attacked them don’t attack but if your religion has a threat then to defend its honor we have to fight…i believe it is somewhat similar to Mahabharat..isn’t it?? That was the Dharma Yudh if i remember correctly. Even Draupadhi was lost in gamble etc. Arjun was even asked to kill his own cousins and so on. But the only difference is that, it was for power and our PHOPHET (PBUH) never indulged in any personal fights and have clearly ordered us not to do so. There is a complete reference on our Prophet (PBUH); you can search internet and you will get it…hopefully you will find the right content.
ISLAM is not about beheading, marrying more than one women, keeping them on winning a battle etc…..it is much more advanced and sober religion, which unfortunately is misinterpreted ….i don’t blame you but i understand that it is been portrayed like this by the enemies of ISLAM and moreover the media; and i don’t need to name them…do i?
You have some knowledge..so let me tell you that women used be buried alive in most of the Arabian countries at the time of birth but when ISLAM arrived the land it was totally banned…and gave the highest level of equality/status to women. So what you see around you today is not the teachings but the misinterpreted versions; like schools are shutdown for girls…women are not allowed to move out etc etc… In fact in ISLAM women are seen with honor and because of the fact that opposites attract so there had been limitations on what they wear and do.
If you say wearing a skirt, drinking alcohol, do immodest activities is modernization then i think you are heading a wrong way and it will only increase crimes and you will be counting.
ISLAM doesn’t even allow you to kill an unarmed enemy so how can it be cruel and a terrorist religion…think!!! what you see is not always right…to find the truth you need to dig in and making the site like “religionofpeace” etc will not change the fact. You have given me some reference so let me put a couple of them across….on youtube look for Zakir Naik….Yosuf Estes…Dr. Israr etc.
About the problem in Kashmir; it is not because of ISLAM but because of identity crises and YES one should fight till the last drop of their blood. And i am not talking religion i am talking KASHMIRIYAT, which should be there in your blood too. A person without the love of his motherland is nothing but an opportunist. I hope you might have watched the recent protest in valley….did you saw non-muslim communities in the crowd…they were not shouting ISLAM but Azadi, which is what matters.
It really feels good, querying and answering you….keep writing and try to be neutral and no provocative and baseless comments on PROPHET (PBUH)…that is a request.
Comment by Neo — February 24, 2009 @ 11:35 am
>>And i am not talking religion i am talking >>KASHMIRIYAT
Which KASHMIRIYAT are you talking about, it is over Neo the day we were forced/threatened to leave the valley.
You should not talk about KASHMIRIYAT.
Neo just think coolly and tell me a single constructive contribution of any ISLAMIC nation to the world.
Comment by vicky — February 24, 2009 @ 11:57 am
All crap about KASHMIRIYAT …. you should not talk about it…
How can we forget you guys shouting this
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It was you who shouted “ASI KYA GACHI PAKISTAN BATAV ROUS BATNAIV SAAN” wasen’t that ISLAM
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Comment by vicky — February 24, 2009 @ 12:00 pm
Vicky,
I can presume what might have been your state of mind. Yes it is been unfortunate that you were thrown out or should i say guided out from your roots; i personally regret that.
But one simple: why did you leave???
When there are over one million Indian soldiers guarding Kashmiris in an approximate ratio of 1:7 then what was the fear??? And i am sure that you would have been really guarded not the way we have been slaughtered. This was planned !!!
Kashmiriyat would have been in staying not fleeing; as we did and are doing and BTW there are so many Pandits who are still living with us without fear.
Comment by Neo — February 24, 2009 @ 1:27 pm
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It was you who shouted “ASI KYA GACHI PAKISTAN BATAV ROUS BATNAIV SAAN” wasen’t that ISLAM
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i have a girl friend she is batinn she is very good girl. she likes kashmir and azadi and likes me.
Comment by Harkat — February 24, 2009 @ 1:40 pm
The muslims in kashmir should think themselves to be lucky. Even after many pandits were killed, forced to leave thier motherland, children rendered as orphans, property destroyed, temples burnt, the hindus from rest of india have not reciprocated for the same. Just imagine, the article 370 gets abolished, there is a vast majority of people who would like to settle down in kasmir. We can change the demography of kashmir. Kashmir can turn from majority muslim to majority hindu place. We all know that the current breed of muslims in kashmir have their roots in hinduism. We can also follow your practice of converting you to hinduism. Convert or get killed as you do, but we havent done that. The reason is simple, we dont want you to change as people or as a culture, but want you to changes your feelings. We want you to think not about the past, but present and more importantly about your future. We want you to think about you children about your grand children, what life you want to give them.
Kashmiris muslims are known for their hospitality. But dont show hospitality towards the immature and ireasonable speeches of some crooks. They only want power. What have they done to solve you basic problems, food, education etc. I am not claiming that indian government has done fully, but it is trying its best. Look at the example of Jinnah, he was a power hungry person and the result is pakistan. Had he been told at the time of independence that he will become prime minister, i bet he would have never proposed for idependent state. Look the privelidges muslims are enjoying in india. They are successful, educated and proudly say to be indian muslims.
Just for some time leave pakistan, india, aazadi and think, what you are doing, why you are doing and for whome you are doing..
Comment by SBK — February 24, 2009 @ 3:26 pm
SBK,
well to some extent you are right but not completely. Let me clear one basic confusion, which all Indians have…Kashmiri was a separate country and we will not accept any intrusion whether it is from India or even Pakistan. For a Kashmiri Pakistan is another India and that is why we want freedom and not the merger with any of the two.
India is reciprocating what you have mentioned and that too from time to time…Gujrat is still alive in everyone’s mind, which is the scar on the Indian democracy and it secularism.
As far as article 370 is concerned…please go through the history and check why this is there….i think there are some documents, which India doesn’t want to let its people read and that is a hard fact.
BTW Mahatama Gandhi was also living a good life and status outside then why he came back to India and fought for independence…..????
There is something more important than food, education etc and that is identity…and Kashmiri’s even if have Hindu origins but are Kashmiris and will fight for the same.
If you really know about the history of Kashmir then you should be knowing that in Kashmir the conversion was not because of force but the Sufi saints that came there from time to time and in Hinduism the caste system was so pathetic and only Islam gave them the equality and status to live together and hence they converted.
You are right we have to think about present and moreover future…so the Present is that we want to live independently and have full right to do so…if you disagree then i think you are abusing your Indian martyrs who sacrificed their lives, which is giving you this power to speak right now; else you would have still would have been slaves to the Bristish….isn’t it????
Comment by Neo — February 24, 2009 @ 3:47 pm
Neo,
>>But one simple: why did you leave???
Because we were slaughtered/threatened by ISLAMIST, just check Anil’s reply and you will get the answer.
ISLAM is the problem and not KM’s( or Muslims).
Read the linked blogs which are referenced with this article you will get more details.
>>BTW there are so many Pandits who are still living >>with us without fear.
Yes I have also some relatives who are still there and are planning to wind up from there slowly as they don’t see any future there.
They can’t trust KM’s …. we have seen 1947, then 1984 and then 1990 … you always had backstabbed us.
>>Kashmiriyat would have been in staying not fleeing
You guys better not talk about Kashmiriyats, it is hard to digest what you are saying.
Who said that we have permanently fled, we have also been fighting for our rights but the means/place/options are different.
We too have been demanding of separate panun kashmir, well if India was divided during independence why not Kashmir too…
Moreover there are KM’s who want to be India, they believe in the democratic/secular structure of India.
It would be not correct to say that all KM’s wan’t freedom.
Comment by vicky — February 25, 2009 @ 12:28 am
Neo,
I don’t want u to tolerate anything against muhammad. But did I tell you a lie isn’t what I said truth….
You talked about the pre islamic status of women… how did u know that they were buried alive… when the fact is muhammad ordered pre islamic libraries and books destroyed in Arabia… Fact is that they are burried and stoned to death even in today’s high tech age… women is by no way equal to man by sharia law.
Fact is that muhammads first wife was a business lady and widow. muhammad was working for her… does that tell u that women were handling businesses and were rich too… and to me muhammad was oportunist and made use of her status by marrying her… he disowned her son when he saw his daughter in law with minimal cloths and wanted her as his his wife. This was probably the very reason that adoption is illegal in islamic world and the reason was to justify that she was not his daughter in law… rightous man I salute… but it is not lie it is truth……
also muhammad is perfect example for muslims and the very reason u shave ur moustatch and keep beard is for that reason, and you wear pyjamas above your anklets is the reason he did it…. but then if he could marry 6 year old ayesha that is legitimate for muslims world wide….
We see the equality of the religions and the peace in Islam when muhammad himself participated in slitting throats of more than 700 Jews and it is known that he was very much participating in that physically…. It is ok to say that Islam is tolerant when quran itself calls Jews as pigs and monkeys… great respect….
I can debate on islamic ideology for long but what use… you know most of it and you have better logic and good access to ur books be it hadith or quran .. to differentiate between good and bad… Yes u can blame me of being intolerant BUT TRUTH IS TRUTH.
You are yet to let me know contribution from islamic countries in field of technology, development, medicine, innovation as a second largest religion in world — WE ARE FULLY AWARE OF THEIR GREAT CONTRIBUTION IN THE FIELD OF TERRORISM AND JEHAD….
In present day world it seems very illogical to be ruled by laws that were created in 7th century and the clear outcome is terrorism… This ISLAMIC channel started to show that Islam has great things to offer west but then again he had to slit his wife’s throat who supported him in making that channel reality read for ur self….
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,493645,00.html
That was islam but now tell me how is kashmir different. Tell me what will kashmir have if it moves away from India answer is nothing… and then what will happen if it merges with pakistan as your kashmiri leaders have openly talked…. Think twice how your life will end up…. I have no hatred towards muslims but I clearly understand the problem is the ideology they follow….
Islam has always tried to portray to its uneducated youth how muslims have suffered world wide but while the fact is muslims world wide have caused all others to suffer a great deal. And when they have to face consequences it is hard and they claim that world is intolerant towards islam… this propagation is totally wrong…. Today if muslims have suffered in kashmir is because of the consequense of taking guns, sending there youth across border to become terrorists, supporting pakistani terrorists in kashmir, making them stay in there homes giving support in all possible ways. And most importantly killing your own neighbours and threatning them of worst conditions, yelling these threats through loud speakers from mosques, leaving threats on their doors — we are those X – NEIGHBOURS THE KASHMIRI PUNDITS….
Any more thoughts love to answer you
FOR HARKAT:
GROW UP — STOP THINKING FROM YOUR SMALL HEAD AND SHOW US U HAVE SOMETHING ON YOUR SHOULDERS TOO…….
love and peace
anil
Comment by KOUL ANIL — February 25, 2009 @ 5:49 am
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That is what i am asking you; if some of you were brutally handled then why all of you fled without thinking twice. This is happening to us too….Indian forces are murdering us from almost 2 decades now….but we didn’t fled the land but are resisting it….do you think all KM’s have guns to counter the Indian sponsored terrorism…in these years we have lost innocents who were unarmed…you can check the latest report by UN on the same and please don’t comment on seeing the reports of IndiaTV and AAjTak.
And if your relatives are leaving now; as you said it is not because of threat on live but because of instability in business and prospects about the same. So please do not show a wrong picture to the World. This is same for every Kashmiri; there are scores of Muslim youth who are working outside the valley for the same reason and waiting to go back if given a chance….but the disturbed situation is business for some and they won’t let peace to come in…i hope you know who they are on this side..isn’t it???
I think it is your sect who wants the division of Kashmir not Muslims; we always welcome and truly feel you as part of the land. But if think that you will really prosper by division then you are free to do it. But let me remind you one thing….there was a biggest unfortunate in the history of India and that was India/Pakistan partition and if you want to reciprocate the same then you will repeat the mistake.
And for those KM’s who want to be with India: They should come out of Kashmir and see, i hope they will realize how Kashmir is different and still better from the so called secular states.
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I don’t understand what a panun Kashmir is; i am happy that you fight for your rights and you really should but instead of panun Kashmir, fight for the come back and you are always welcome. Don’t go by the recent Jammu incidents….VHP / bajrang dal…these parties doesn’t even belong to the shadow of our soil so don’t dance on their beats.
I would like to say it again, “those who don’t love their motherland are opportunists” and it includes all don’t think i am talking about your community.
Comment by Neo — February 25, 2009 @ 5:59 am
Neo,
>>.but we didn’t fled the land but are resisting it
Wiser people(KM’s) have left the valley, the opportunist and helpless people are there.
Terrorism in valley is an industry so it will not go unless the Pakistan is destroyed Or disintegrated.
>>about the same
>>there was a biggest unfortunate in the history of >>India and that was India/Pakistan
Untill I was ignorant about the radical ISLAM I also though the same, but it was good for both the countries.
Having Pakistan with us would have created a mess in India too.
>>I think it is your sect who wants the division of >>Kashmir not Muslims;
We don’t want the history to repeat again, it had happened earlier , it happened in 1947… 1984 …. 1989…
It will not be wise to live together again, we believe in different ideolgies( check what Anil had pointed) ….
Comment by vicky — February 25, 2009 @ 8:17 am
Neo,
read this one also
http://www.islam-watch.org/Ibrahim.Lone/Kashmir-Legion-of-Islamic-Terror.htm
Comment by vicky — February 25, 2009 @ 12:55 pm
Hi Vicky,
I wonder about the guys like harkat and neo…. they come start the discussion and then vanish when you show them mirror… I am sure at hearts they are now more wiser and understand their ideologies better without use of green glasses.
keep up the great work…..
peace and love
Anil
Comment by Anil Koul — March 2, 2009 @ 5:53 pm
today is my birthday
not more to say
Comment by FeeteWepbuma2 — July 7, 2009 @ 10:01 am
well, I am new to this blog, but what ever discussion I read was really interesting.
Anil, Vicky, you have improved my knowldege of islam.
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Comment by nadim & aadil — November 10, 2009 @ 9:05 am